Simulation Theory

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the, what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shared.

Hello. I am Jeremiah. And you are tuned into the what if they’re wrong podcast I’m joined today by Julie of the hone it as, or hone it AAF podcast. We know the play on the words there. So just introduce her today. We’re going to be talking mostly about the simulation theory and then probably branch out into other various topics that she’s covered through her podcast.

So we’ll say hello, did you Julie now? Hello?

[00:01:09] Julia: Hi, good morning. Yes. And actually my co-host her mother is always a little offended by the name. So we always say it’s haunted. Awesome fun. And, uh, you know, if it makes you uncomfortable to think about anything else,

[00:01:24] Jeremiah: that’s a good spin on it. So, um, the theory seems to be a hot topic right now because a lot of people are speculating that we live in a simulation kind of like a computer program.

Uh, what have you found through your research on it, um, that you would like to discuss to the people.

[00:01:49] Julia: Um, first, I would like to apologize for any gross stomach noises you might be hearing. I have not eaten anything for breakfast, and I’m just now realizing that I can hear my own stomach. So if you guys pick that up, I’m sorry, because that’s disgusting.

Um, the whole simulation theory concept was very new to me. Uh, I listened to a lot of paranormal podcasts because I host a paranormal podcast and, um, the first one. I really got gobbled up was when David farrier, he does these guest appearances on armchair expert and he called it’s called armchair. What armed and dangerous I think is what he calls it.

But he did a whole episode on the simulation in theory, which I highly encourage everybody to listen to because it was so informative and really smart. And it was one of those things that when you first hear about the basic concept of the simulation theory, which is that none of us are really. We are all really just, uh, we are in a computer game.

And that the reality that we experience is a simulation that is guided by players. Potentially some acne covered teenager, often some universe that we are completely unaware of. Um, that’s the. The whole of it. You can even think of the movie, the matrix, which is a very, um, it’s a very bare bones type way to look at it.

Like, okay, we are being controlled. And if we woke up, we would have a physical body in another universe. Other people are like, no, we don’t exist outside of this plane that we are in. We’re nothing more than Sims standing around in a kitchen, eating scrambled eggs. So when you first. Here this concept.

You’re like, well, clearly that’s BS because I inhabit my body and I live in my life and I have my children or whatever. But when you start hearing it and really thinking about it, it makes you feel kind of bonkers because then you start. Well, damn, that could be true. That could, that could actually be true.

Uh, shut me up whenever you need to. Cause I I’ll like start rambling and uh, cause I could literally talk about this stuff for days. And if it does, when you first get started, it sounds like a conversation you would have when you’re really high sitting around with your friends or something. But this current.

Has been discussed literally for centuries, even Play-Doh had this thing, what was it? It’s called the allegory of the cave. And what it’s really based on is our perception, perception versus reality, and our reality. What we think is real, is based on nothing more than our perceptions. So if we can’t perceive something, then we won’t think it’s real.

Uh, just, you know, when you look at science throughout history, all of these things like germs, we never would have thought that was real. And yet once we have the technology, we have the tools to actually see it. We’re like, oh yeah, that’s real. Look at this. I got bacteria on my skin. It’s gross. So, um, it’s all about the.

Perception versus reality discussion. So, uh, but yeah, just the idea that even Decart people have been talking about this for so long, But it really started taking hold, um, in scientific circles in 2003. And I’m going to use my cheat sheet here. So bear with me is a Swedish philosopher, a Swedish philosopher.

Thank you. Named Nick Bostrom. And he wrote a paper called, are you living in a computer simulation and his whole thing? Really what it came down to was like, If we, okay, let me just read this. I don’t screw it up. If humans are able to survive for thousands of years and reached a really advanced state of technology, like we would have the capability to make our own simulations and what would we do with that?

So one of the things that stands out to me is like, well already, what, when our computers have advanced and think about video games, what they have advanced to. Where we are right now. And what have we done with that? We’ve created simulated realities, where we go in and play out all kinds of crazy stuff or games.

I don’t play video games. So, you know, if you play video games, you know, sometimes even Joe. Reality’s where you create people and, and then mess with them. Like I have a teenage daughter when she plays Sims, she has one character that she just gets pregnant over and over and over again, just to be a jerk, essentially.

So it’s like, when you look at human nature already, we’re already creating these simulated realities. So. Why isn’t this possible?

[00:06:41] Jeremiah: Yeah. I play video games. Um, I’m actually a video game collector on top of doing podcasts and stuff. Um, so I’ve, and I’m also like 40, so I’ve been from the Atari to the X-Box one now.

And, um, Whatever the new X-Box is series X or whatever. And the leaps and bounds from when I started playing till now is just insane. Like back then, if you would have told my younger self that you would actually like be able to tell that it’s like a person and that there, you can actually tell them to do the things that they are able to do.

Get it get out of here. So that’s not possible.

[00:07:24] Julia: Well, and that’s part of Elon Musk’s argument in favor that the simulation, you know, that we are living in a simulation is that it has taken 40 years, a mere 40 years to go from pong, which was just like a line and a couple of dots to what we have today and what we’re building on.

When you think about VR, Uh, virtual reality and how that is going to evolve into like augmented reality. And this is all happening so quickly. And if that’s the case where we’ll be, be with that in a hundred years, how long will it take us to get to a point where you won’t be able to tell the difference between a virtual reality and a reality?

And again, if you’re talking about, if perception is our reality, then how is it not the same. Are we not already doing, let’s see you start getting to this, like, wait a minute. One of the things that. Like okay. When we talked about this on the podcast, one of the theories that people always say is, have you noticed when you bring in your groceries, like you never see other people bringing in their groceries, like, you know, why is that, is it just your thing?

Is it just, uh, I don’t know what my big thing is. Every time I see my neighbors bringing in groceries all the time, so I shut that theory down already. Um, but my, my cohost. I’ve never seen another person bringing in groceries. So, um, but there was actually according to the David farrier podcast, somebody actually was like, well, if this is the case, I’m going to try to kill somebody.

And I’m going to see if maybe the overlords will try to stop me. Like I’m going to do something completely out of my. Whatever my regular plan and see if somehow whoever’s in charge of me, they’re going to get in there and make it stop. Well, they killed somebody which the whole N and then it’s like done.

Now you’re going to go to jail because that’s a stupid hypothesis. You know? It’s like, no matter what, you’re in your reality, it’s not like that Jim gray movie where somebody’s going to step in or a light’s going to fall from the ceiling. It’s like, no, you, you will. And who knows if we are similarly. Then maybe that was just programmed into his plan any,

[00:09:42] Jeremiah: and I think people want to.

Like just shut it down right away, especially if they’re on the religious side, but I don’t think it would necessarily discount a God. It could be we’re living in God’s simulation. Cause I was thinking this morning that what if. This is God’s simulation. And that’s why in the Bible you hear about stories, like he told no with a flood was coming well, how would he have known that, you know, unless he programmed it to happen already.

So I don’t think it like discredits that it’s just, um, different way to think about it.

[00:10:21] Julia: Right. Or maybe God created the people who are playing the games for me. I see it. And let me be clear if you want to nerd out hard on this stuff, uh, there is much deeper, much, uh, more math out, a method, a mathematical way.

Thank you. I appreciate that of looking at this. So I was reading an article. It was at built-in dot com, just like explaining the simulation theory. And it goes into specifics that make absolutely no sense to me because I’m not, I don’t have that kind of brain, but the thing that stands out to me is, um, excuse me.

No problem. He knows he’s trying to run. I feel like. In a way we are already kind of built this way. Um, when you think, uh, consider our brain is like a hard drive and our DNA is like our programming in a lot of ways. We’re already proof of this and that. The way our bodies are built. Like our brain will only show us so much, like there’s only so much that we can even comprehend based on what our brain is capable of.

And there’s only so much that our body can do based on what our DNA is going to allow. You know, we’re already programmed to maybe get breast cancer at a certain age or to be so smart that we’re going to figure out the Wordle, you know, on our first try in the mornings or whatever. We are actually programmed.

So to me, I like to go more in that vein. I don’t see it as much as a kid playing a video game and, and controlling us. I think that we are already. Kind of living that like, and it’s been scientifically proven. Um, and who knows? It’s like, if our brain can only perceive so much, what else is going on around us or in the universe that we really can’t even perceive,

[00:12:24] Jeremiah: which honestly.

Yeah, it’s very fascinating how our brains work too. Like going back to your thing about people saying they never see their neighbor bring in the groceries or whatever, but as soon as you put that into your like brain, then you start seeing it. It’s the same thing with, like, if you get a new car, you start seeing it everywhere.

Whereas before you didn’t see it before, it’s kind of like your brain gets programmed to pick up on that stuff. Whereas before it just shut it out. So just something for me.

[00:12:56] Julia: It is. And then once you start, you start noticing things, like you said, that we had a story from a man who said that he noticed he worked an overnight shift and so, or a late shift.

So he would be driving home every night around two o’clock in the morning. And there was a. Spot where he would always see another car coming towards him. And every night it was a different car and it was always coming from like a very small neighborhood area where it just wouldn’t seem that there would be a car there every single night at two o’clock in the morning.

And so he started making notes of it. He was like, I’m going to start. Making note of the make and model of the car. And he said sometimes he was even motorcycles. Like it would be something, but every single, so he got a notebook and a pen and he put it in his car and it never happened after that. So he says, I feel like in a way I canceled out the, whatever was happening because there were like, oh, well, we got to change this program because now he’s picking up on it.

Um, which I, I don’t know. I, again, I don’t feel like it’s that on the nose. I think that, um, I think that whatever the simulation might be, we would never be able to really fully grasp it. Because if we are created by something to be in the simulation, they would create us to not be able to fully understand it, uh, with.

It’s actually another, uh, proof of the simulation to a lot of people that we have so many questions in our universe that are completely unanswered and things that we absolutely can’t do. Uh, even basic things like, um, considering infinity or space that our human brain can’t really process infinity or just the expanse, the vastness, and that that alone is.

We can’t, we can’t handle that. So that’s because the evil overlords creative sit away. So we wouldn’t be able to figure it out. Uh, which again, I need to be clear that I don’t know how much. Any of this that I buy. The one thing that I do know is that my brain and my body are programmed and there’s kinda, there’s no denying that.

So it does open up a whole lot of questions to me.

[00:15:17] Jeremiah: Oh yeah. There’s definitely this simulation theory can go so deep depending how much you want to dive down into it. I just. Um, it’s like when you break everything down to its basic form, um, so scientists say, uh, it’s all energy. So, you know, if we’re in a computer program that would kind of make sense that we’re just energy projected as something else, kinda like when an image pops up on your TV or you’re playing a video game and it pops up on the screen, uh, You know, that’s what I was thinking when I was thinking of the whole theory.

Like, if everything is broken down into energy and then you wonder who is, and then there’s thought of like, well, how did that come to be? Well, then you start getting into dark matter and anti-matter maybe that’s the behind the scenes type of deal.

[00:16:23] Julia: Great. Well, and there was a philosopher, this guy, his name’s John Wheeler, who worked with Albert Einstein and, you know, their whole thing is like every, everything is mad or like breaking down to basic matter.

But. Wheeler said that really the definition of like particles over time has kind of evolved that it used to be matter, but at some point it became information. So the idea, the kind of physical aspect of it is so not concrete that now it’s more defined as an idea, which takes the reality portion kind of out of the discussion.

Which is creepy. And, uh, what you were saying about energy. Like that’s something that really stands out to me as someone who hosts a paranormal podcast. Um, I try to leave the door open. For all beliefs and all ideas. That doesn’t mean that I believe all of it. I just need to leave space for all of it because you know, our reality is our little podcast has been going for three years and every week people send.

Tons of emails of these unexplained experiences that they’ve had things that they can’t put a finger on. And it’s not all, it’s not all ghost stories. I mean, we have big foot and UFO’s lots of glitch in the matrix stories. Um, just anything that’s kind of weird. We, we tend to talk about it. So again, I have to leave the door open to the possibility.

All of these stories are true, but if they weren’t, even, if you could explain away 99.9% of every single story that we have shared since we started, it’s only like 1% of those stories were actually true, that could not be explained. That’s a lot. That is a lot of unexplained stuff. And so much of it goes down to what you were just saying about energy.

This. In explicable, unharnessed energy that causes things to happen. And, um, and again, for me, I always think, well, this is because of our little monkey brains not being capable of processing. What’s really there. But maybe whatever it is, has so much energy that our brain tries to give us something to tries to give it shape.

And maybe then our brain will turn it into a lady in white floating down the hall, or the shadow person climbing up your wall or big foot, like who knows what our brain is actually showing us when it doesn’t know what to do with this information that it’s receiving. So, which is a very, not romantic.

Look at ghost stories because everybody, you know, when you feel a touch or something crazy happens in your kitchen, you want to think it’s your deceased grandma watching over you. Maybe it isn’t, maybe it’s just some ball of weird unharnessed energy, just cruising through your house to mess with you. Who knows what this stuff is.

So, but again, I know it’s not, that’s not the fun people kind of hate it when I say that. And they’re like, no, I know that was my dad who started my music box when I was, you know, Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, uh, I, I don’t know. It’s well, we’ll never

[00:19:42] Jeremiah: know I’m going to get a little far out there. This is my template.

This oil has a side coming out. It’s just some things I think about. What if, when we go to sleep, the sleep is. Connecting us to the ether to download a new information and new program and also on another side of it aliens and UFO’s. So I believe that they’re interdimensional, not from like outer space.

And I think they come through the fabrics of space-time or whatever, and, or parallel universe or whatever, what if they are like, Okay. What are they like patches for video games, where they fix the bugs and stuff like that. What if they’re coming through to like, try to fix and patch the bugs and stuff?

Just the crazy.

[00:20:41] Julia: No, I haven’t had that thought. I, gosh, I’ve had that thought. I had that. Here’s a crazy story I had. Um, I was hosting an event at the ballpark in Arlington where the Rangers play and it was, um, gosh, it was like an Alzheimer’s walk and I had to be out there super early. And so I was driving on the highway and, um, the sun was just, uh, Just starting to come up, but I saw it was so strange.

It was not a cloudy day. The sun was coming in. And, um, it was right in front of me as I was driving, but this is something passed over the sun. Something was big enough to where it blocked out the sun for a minute. Again, this is to make me sound so crazy. So it, but I was watching it and it was so strange because there was a line and it slowly past the sun.

And then I saw the bottom of it where the sun started to be visible again. And I was literally pinching myself. I’m like, what the hell am I saying? And, um, so when I got home and I got to the ballpark and I asked everyone, no one else had seen it. And, um, I did some research and it, there was a, there’s always a weather phenomenon explanation that they said that when that happens, there’s actually haze in the sky that you can’t see.

That’s not what it looked like to me, it looked like something was passing over the sun. And in that moment I thought. I was like, oh, their sensors are off. They don’t have the, all of their, their blocking, um, stuff on or whatever, you know, it’s like, like star wars where they had their, um, you know, the shadow, whatever wasn’t turned on properly.

And for in that moment, I could actually see it, which again, I, I told this whole story on the podcast and there was like, you know, awkward silence for days. Like really, you know, like, have you talked to your therapist about this? Um, So I, I agree with you and, uh, especially the dream aspect. Um, I have a thing when I wake up from my dreams that where I have to remember who I am for a split second, not all the time, but a lot of times where I’ll wake up from some crazy dream or I’m blowing up a car, God knows what, and it’s, if I’m not.

You know, and the people who are with me, the man who’s standing next to me, who’s my husband is not my husband. And I have to have that moment of settling back down into my skin. And I’ve thought before, like, well, am I off playing other games? Is somebody using my avatar or whatever to play something. Or, you know, put me in this other simulation for a little while where I’m doing all these other things.

And, uh, and again, it’s one of those things it’s like, that’s crazy. That is a wild thing to think about, but it does. It’s like, well, what are dreams? Like we. 2022. We don’t know what dreams are. We don’t know what our brains are doing at night when we are sleeping. Like there’s a whole lot of speculation on that.

Um, you know, sleep paralysis. What the hell is that? Oh, it’s so strange to me that we have all these things that we have no answers for. And we all kind of, you know, here’s another thing that’s going to sound real crazy. I also think that. Um, maybe the, uh, our tendency to look at something that we can’t explain as crazy and to kind of dog on people who talk about it.

I think that’s also something that we’ve been programmed to do to discourage us from questioning these things. So that’s another thing that our evil overlords put into our programming. So we wouldn’t question it, you know, so it’s better when you don’t question.

[00:24:17] Jeremiah: Definitely are interesting. And I want to hopefully dive into them more often.

I’d love to get someone on the show that is like a dream interpreter or whatever, and just deep dive into dreams, because like you said, we still don’t really know what the purpose of them is. There’s theories, but nothing like concrete to why we even have them and why some people have them all the time and some people don’t and it’s just a very.

Strange thing. And then as far as the like bugs and glitches, uh, that brings up another thing. Uh, the glitches I’m in a Facebook group called glitches in the matrix, and it’s all about people just posting weird occurrences that happen in their life and things that were there before that aren’t now. And.

Random things and it always brings up the Mandela effect. I’m pretty sure you’ve heard of it before. And I wonder if that is due to this whole simulation program, is it like a hiccup in the system or a malfunction or what are you thinking? Give me

[00:25:26] Julia: a brief definition of the Mandela effect. Cause I think I’m thinking more like the butterfly effect.

So just so I know what we’re on this. So

[00:25:32] Jeremiah: Mandela effect is like, The biggest one is like Baron, Steen bears. Everyone remembers it being Bernstein bears, but it’s, Berenstain now. And a bunch of different things like Oscar Mayer being spelled differently, people remembering a tale on curious George and other people.

So there’s random things throughout people’s lives that just don’t, they don’t remember it being that way, but it is now. And. It created this whole thing, the Mandela effect. Uh, I think it started when, uh, people said that Mandela actually died back in like the eighties early nineties. And he actually died in like 2013.

So a lot of people say that the computer program that we live in, like glitched, and now we’re like in a different. Slightly it’s like mostly the same, but slightly different reality possibly

[00:26:29] Julia: in which yes, that’s possible. It’s just, it’s hard for me to know, because like I’ve heard these things so much, but like I’ve also.

Like I never, I knew that Mandela was alive until the day he died. Um, so maybe, maybe my simulation, they had fixed it by then or something. But, uh, so that’s why, you know, just like the question of the, why don’t we see people bringing in their groceries, um, Berenstain bears like, um, For me, one of my best friends, her last name is Verenstene.

So it’s always been barren. You know, I’ve kind of always known that because it’s a joke with us, you know? Um, I don’t know if that’s as much proof of the simulation as it is that we’re all a little lazy with our brains and that when we make a mistake, we like to point to the fact that everyone else has made a mistake.

Um, I know one of the Mandela effects was, oh gosh, what was it? It was, uh, it was a movie. This one particular movie about, was it Sinbad was in the movie. Oh

[00:27:39] Jeremiah: yes. Yes. And I remember tons of people, tons of people like me and my best friend, Matt. Uh, remember seeing it, but obviously it doesn’t. At least not in this reality.

[00:27:50] Julia: Right. Which I’ve always heard that one, but I’m also, you know, my day job, I’m a film critic. And so I I’ve always, I mean, it was like, I never had that confusion. So, um, so yeah, the Mandela, I don’t buy that one quite as much again, just because we, you know, we really, women. A lot of the same mistakes and, you know, we’re big, dumb ass and wholesale similarly.

And so I think we also like to point out that, you know, when we do something stupid that it’s like, well, so-and-so saw thought the same thing. So, um, and plus there’s just, you know, we’re overloaded with information. We can’t possibly get all of it. Right. All of the time.

[00:28:32] Jeremiah: Uh, or what if, and this is just my rebuttal is like, what if the people who remember things differently actually got glitched into.

A different program. Like, so like you remember stuff the way it says it’s always been, but like I remember something different, so maybe I glitched into your reality type of deal. I know that’s out there, but.

[00:29:00] Julia: I here’s an example. This is a little little off the path, but we get, um, audio, people will send us audio of things that they pick up in their house all the time.

So me and my cohost, Rebecca Black, not that Rebecca Black. Um, We won’t play. I will play the audio. When we’re, you know, when we’re taping the podcast, I will hear a voice saying something and she will hear grumbles. She won’t hear the voice. And we have discussed this so many times, cause it’s always these whispers, these weird EDPs that people pick up in their home and.

I will hear, like what I will hear T sounds and P sounds like very clear as she will hear or are raw, or she always says, it sounds like Zul from the Ghostbusters or something. It’s just kind of a growl. Hmm. So what that is one thing that’s common is people when they have a paranormal experience, sometimes they’re very different.

And so I wonder when she and I listened to these things and we hear very different things. Is this based on our programming? Is it based on our specific simulations or just based on our brains, how our brains are processing things. So we’ll even put. The audio out to our audience and say, what do you hear?

Some people don’t hear anything. So, but usually people will hear either the growls they’ll hear whispers or they’ll hear the weird, the words that I’m hearing. So, uh, which is just, that’s always very strange to them.

[00:30:28] Jeremiah: What was that guy who did a stage show? I don’t know if he was a standup comedian or what, but he would say.

Uh, lyric and then play the song. And you would hear his lyric, even though the song didn’t say that lyric, because he said it before the song played. So your brain was already fixated on his lyric. So when you heard the song, you heard his lyric, but not the actual song lyric. And he played it back. So you could like refigure your brain.

It was very interesting.

[00:31:06] Julia: Oh, I’m sorry. My battery’s about to die on me here. Well, and that’s another thing we are highly, um, I mean, very easily influenced. We can be convinced of something so quickly and easily. So, um, so yeah, our little monkey brains, man, sometimes it’s. It’s hard for us to keep up with all of this stuff, but it also it’s like, well, we could be tricked into believing, you know, our own realities very easily.

And then you think about like, uh, the TV show Westworld, you know, when you have these robots that are programmed to believe in an entire lifetime of experiences and you know, you have this one character whose daughter died early on. Um, but, and then. She is reprogrammed to be a character who doesn’t have any children.

And yet she had these like heartbreaking dreams about her daughter. And yet none of it was real. It’s just all part of her programming. She’s a robot. She never actually gave birth to something. But then when you have the, these, these highly, uh, these really smart. Creations when they realize, oh, my stuff, isn’t real.

None of this is real and it didn’t really happen. It’s heartbreaking. It’s a whole life that they’ve lost. Have you seen, or did you ever play, what was it called? The Detroit becomes human. Did you play that game?

[00:32:31] Jeremiah: I have not played that yet, but I’ve been wanting to, I just never have, but I kinda know the concept, right?

[00:32:37] Julia: It’s another, uh, robots become sentience and they decided to fight back because they don’t want to, but I don’t play the game, but I was watching my daughter watch a YouTube or play it. But I thought I kept thinking this is so such a simulation type of concept or theory. It was really, it was pretty amazing.

But they, when the robots are, when they are deprogrammed and turned off, it’s heartbreaking for them because they have created this existence in this being, and to lose it, even though they’re going to be reprogrammed and live again, as something else, it’s so hard for them to think they’re going to lose everything that they’ve already learned, which is a very human experience.

[00:33:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve seen like news stories about and stuff on YouTube about like the Androids they’re making now in like China and Japan and Korea or whatever, where they’re like super lifelike and they actually have these robots talk to each other and. Like, I think the one, they started talking about God within the first like 10 seconds and then another robot, they started talking about taking over the world and they had to shut them down or something it’s creepy.

Like, yeah. It’s very strange and creepy. And if we can create something like that, um, what’s to say a far advanced civilization couldn’t create our existence or something like that. Well, yeah,

[00:34:09] Julia: because if we went from pong to what we’re doing now, where will. Alexa be in 50 years, you know, where will these talking robots?

I saw one, there was an interview with a robot and she was saying she wanted to have children like, wow, that’s, that’s an, okay. I didn’t read the article. It was a tweet that might be total bullshit, who knows, but it was out there and I saw it and I just reported it as fact, boom. Our perception is our reality.

So which, uh, it’s, I don’t know. The whole thing is kind of terrifying, but I love it. I love thinking about this and I love the fact that really we are in a, and we’re living in a world where we still know nothing, you know, even our smartest, most advanced people, you know, even Elon Musk, the whole idea that he’s like, you know, that the idea that we’re not in a simulation.

It, the possibility is like one in billions that we’re not in a simulation. That guy’s pretty smart,

[00:35:12] Jeremiah: you know? Yeah, he definitely, uh, he’s definitely smart. I mean, he created, you know, Tesla cars and everything else and, and he definitely seems to be pioneering, you know, space travel again. And it seems, I don’t know, kind of strange.

I know there’s obviously theories that say we never went to the moon or anything like that. I don’t personally believe that, but it’s just, um, it’s just strange, like, Our space travel’s been super limited. Like we’ve only really been to the moon as like people. Now we have like a Rover on Mars, but like no people have actually been there.

I don’t think so.

[00:35:56] Julia: Yeah. And that’s another, uh, that’s what they say is another proof of the simulation that why would we not be able to go to these places or figure these things out? And it’s just because our programming won’t allow it yet. Um, which though I do think that also kind of plays into just the concept of science.

Like our brains do have to develop over time and we do have to learn how to process con concepts and, and build. These building blocks that take us from point a to point B. So, um, maybe it isn’t as much a simulation as our brains just have to grow one step at a time. And once we get that human on Mars, or once we.

You know, w we can’t work with tools where they don’t have, and if we haven’t been able to experience something that we haven’t been able to have those build those tools yet. So it all that kind of, you know, there’s a very basic way to make sense of it, but the whole space concept as well, that’s mind boggling to me, you know, um, that even within our own existence, We have space literal space that we can’t explain, describe figure out, you know, that’s amazing in itself.

[00:37:17] Jeremiah: Yeah. And going back to my theory about aliens coming through to like fix glitches and change the program or whatever, um, It also seems like a lot of UFO presence comes at time of like war. Uh, I think someone, I can’t remember the name, but someone wrote a book about UFO activity in war time, where it seems like there’s, uh, a lot of UFO activity.

And then there’s also a lot of UFO activity around like nuclear reactors and certain major events. And if it is all just a simulation and. Sent to like program stuff or fix bugs or whatever. I mean, they could be shaping history, so to speak.

[00:38:06] Julia: Yeah. Or I always have the theory that, um, UFO’s are really just basically government stuff that we don’t know about.

So if these things are showing up around war time or around dangerous sites, maybe it’s just the government using that stuff in a way that we’re not aware of. Um, but the other side of that coin, the whole alien coin is how is it possible that we could live in a world or an existence this vast and there not be life outside of our planet.

And yet it seems to be over and over and over again. It’s proven that there isn’t. So if that was the case, would that not also be proof of a simulation because. Physically, how could there physically be only life here? Um, there’s a really great podcast. Called wild thing, hosted by an NPR, a reporter named Laura grants.

And her second, first season is on Bigfoot, which is really fun. And our second season is on aliens. And the great thing about Laura is that she comes to everything as a, um, skeptic. She’s a hopeful skeptic. Like she wants to believe the cool things are out there and her. Her whole take on, um, aliens in UFO’s it’s, it’s really exciting.

And, uh, but I also, I’m a big fan. I’m sorry. I love plugging other podcasts. There’s a show called astonishing legends and everything that every episode they do on aliens or UFO’s or what do they call them now? UAPs are the ones that go under water, like all that, while it’s mind blowing all the wonderful stories that are out there about that stuff.

I love it.

[00:39:51] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah, for sure. They, uh, it’s definitely. And in the recent history, it’s become more mainstream, which I am liking because back when I was younger, you know, people were looked at as like tinfoil hat, wearers, and ridiculed and stuff like that. And a lot of people who from the past had UFO encounters and abductions, they didn’t talk about until later on, because of.

They didn’t want to be looked at differently or ridiculed or anything like that. So it is nice to see people’s um, I guess viewpoint or acceptance is shifting and modern society.

[00:40:37] Julia: Their capacity to hear these stories has definitely gotten, gotten better. Um, yeah. And it’s funny to me again, just with the podcast, how many, very basic UFO stories that we get, uh, just amazing, you know, the lights in the sky or the big green, or that followed them across the field.

Like how many of those stories from people. You know, very normal I’m employed. I’ve got kids, you know, and they will tell you these amazing stories. So, and even, and be skeptics on their own, who will say, like, I don’t believe any of this stuff, but I did have this experience and I can’t explain it. So, uh, yeah, I, that.

That’s so, and even the video, all the video evidence that there is today, but then we’re also junking up our skies so much with drones and I mean, there’s, there’s so much space garbage. It’s getting to a point where. Right. It’s very hard to detect. Like what, what am I seeing? Is this really unidentified?

Or is it just, you know, some garbage floating around up there?

[00:41:46] Jeremiah: So I have to ask, um, before the episode ends, if we are in a simulation that was created by our far future selves, maybe not like specifically ourselves, but you know, our society, what a. What do you think transpires when you actually die? Like, I know a lot of people talk about the tunnel with the light at the end.

I’ve experienced it myself through my NDE. Is that kind of like you’re unplugging and then you’re, I didn’t get to the other side, but like, what is your thoughts on like actual death and being part of the simulation?

[00:42:31] Julia: Um, I think it would be you’re reprogramming. But. What I like to tell my kids is like, when I go, don’t be sad.

Cause I’m simply leveling up. I’m simply moving on. And, uh, there are theories out there that based on our perception that maybe when we do die, we don’t, you know, Go to heaven or hell or whatever. We just move on into the next dimension, which is actually still a part of this dimension is just one that where we are currently, we can’t see them.

So when we say, I’ll see you on the other side, like we legit are moving to the other side. Um, we hear stories all the time from, you know, little kids it’ll say, uh, back when I was a grown man. And, you know, I was your father a long time ago. Are these really great stories that people will tell, um, about reincarnation ultimately?

So maybe it’s, maybe that’s just it. Maybe we move on to our next level of programming and hopefully the people who matter to us in our lives will be in there in some form. And, uh, we will get to share all of that. So, um, I do believe there’s something. And I don’t think that it’s something to be scared of and, uh, as sad as it is for those of us who are left behind on this side, I do think we level up into something else.

And, uh, and I do think that the people who are already over there. Do try to let us know sometimes. And maybe that’s why it’s always in these weird little electrical charges or, um, weird things that happen to your phone. Maybe it is kind of based on an electrical thing here. Here I go again, past the joint, but, um, maybe that’s what I choose to believe that it is.

And yeah. Hopefully, uh, hopefully we will still be surrounded by the people we care about. Yeah.

[00:44:23] Jeremiah: And there’s definitely been a lot of movies that touched on this. Like I think, um, it’s been a while since I’ve watched the matrix, but I think it was it towards the end where he woke up in the pod where he was plugged into and realized he was in a simulation.

I think that’s what happened. Um, and then you had the new one too, and then you have. Um, the movie surrogates with Bruce Willis, where the people live in pods, basically in their apartments and live their actual life in this computer SIM type of deal and super weird movie, but, um, definitely touches on this topic.

And then I think. Was it Wally, the Disney Pixar one where, uh, people were floating around and little spacecraft, pup plugged into the system or whatever. So they definitely, this theory is definitely out there and people are definitely talking about it.

[00:45:23] Julia: Yeah. And it’s been out there for centuries, you know, it really, it feels like something.

I mean, I think that the definition or the defined discussion of the simulation theory, it’s been about 20 years that people have really started talking about it. But I think right now with, uh, virtual reality and video games, we’re starting to see how possible this actually could be. And it is making us question.

A lot. I know I am

[00:45:52] Jeremiah: definitely. Yeah. I think the modern technology really makes you actually see and envision the possibility, whereas before yeah, they thought about it, but they didn’t have the reference of the technology. We have to really. Be like, yeah, that’s actually possible. It was kinda just like, yeah.

It’s it’s it might happen. But now it’s kinda like, yeah, this actually could be the real thing.

[00:46:21] Julia: Yeah. Yeah. Cause we’re kind of witnessing it, you know, we’re playing when you play the Sims, it’s like, this is a simulation. I am the evil overlord in this simulation

[00:46:31] Jeremiah: theory right now. Yeah. Now you have mark Zuckerberg with Facebook creating Mehta and he wants to have people basically.

Live out life on this meetup platform where they were talking about, I saw his press conference and he’s talking about having your work, uh, office and stuff on there, and be able to throw house parties on there and have like virtual houses and virtual office spaces, and basically live your life on this meta platform.

So it’s not that far off from what we’re talking about.

[00:47:09] Julia: Well, in some ways we’re already kind of doing that, you know, especially when you think about everything that happened during COVID, we’re already moving to, you know, zoom, happy hours, uh, officing from home. Like our whole existence started going through our computer screen.

So in some ways we were already doing that. And I know, uh, I was talking about getting an Oculus. My kids, you know, um, and my daughter was telling me how you can actually do chats with Oculus, where you will be in virtual reality with other people. It’s a it’s here. It’s already happening. The question is how long will it be before we can tell the difference between that reality and this one, whatever this one is and shit.

[00:47:58] Jeremiah: So

[00:47:59] Julia: sometimes I say these things and I embarrass myself. I’m like I did I say that,

[00:48:04] Jeremiah: but it’s fun to speculate. And I have used an Oculus headset before and. It’s pretty crazy how once you have it on and it’s playing and whatever, like you totally are oblivious to your world around you. Like, it’s like you’re in there now and it’s there and then you take it off and it’s kind of like jarring at first.

Cause it’s like, oh, okay.

[00:48:32] Julia: It’s like waking up from that dream. You have to remember everything.

[00:48:36] Jeremiah: Do.

[00:48:37] Julia: We’re totally in a

[00:48:38] Jeremiah: simulator. I’m starting to think so more and more. The more I think about it.

[00:48:44] Julia: That’s the thing. When you start, when you start off, you’re like, this is BS and then by the time you get to the end of it, you’re like, I feel like there’s no way we’re not in a simulation.

[00:48:54] Jeremiah: So, uh, we’re going to close it up. Now, if you would like to plug your podcasts or any other websites or anything that you have.

[00:49:05] Julia: Yes, please. It’s haunted AAF, and we have a website, haunted, Uh, you can listen to the podcast at the, on the website or wherever podcasts are available. And, um, you can also, we do videos that we post on YouTube, which is just a video version of the podcast.

And it’s a lot of fun. It is stories that have been shared from all over the world. And they’re amazing. And the really fun thing is that, um, we have people film themselves. Or record themselves. So it’s not just me and Rebecca talking the whole time. You get to hear all these really cool people from all over the place.

And it’s funny how hearing the story from someone’s own mouth really makes a difference, but lots of fun stuff. So please go find it on a day

[00:49:49] Jeremiah: All right, sounds good. And thank you again so much for coming on and talking about this. I really enjoy discussing these far out conspiracies. I guess you could call them and it’s just fond upon.

Um, existence. Absolutely.

[00:50:07] Julia: Well, thanks for having me and huge apologies if you heard my stomach grumbling because it’s been

[00:50:12] Jeremiah: going on since no, I have not heard it yet. So I think you’re

[00:50:16] Julia: saying, yeah. And you’ll probably hear to play back.

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