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Hello, and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. And we’re joined today by Scotty Roberts, author of the rise and fall of the Nephilim. We’re going to deep dive into some biblical texts and the stuff that we might cover might make you question everything.
So. We’re going to get to it now. Hello,
[00:02:15] Scott Alan Roberts: Hey, how you doing?
[00:02:17] Jeremiah: Good. How are you?
[00:02:18] Scott Alan Roberts: I’m good.
[00:02:21] Jeremiah: So, yes, uh, when you first had that aha moment and you were like, I’ve got to look deeper into this. I’ve got to figure out there’s something more here than what I’m being told. What was that moment for you?
[00:02:35] Scott Alan Roberts: Um, well, I’ll tell you what if it was actually into my seminary days now, the origins of the Nephilim really come from the book of Genesis and other old Testament passages.
And it’s always been in Genesis six chapter or chapter six verses one to four. And you can find the story of the Nephilim and we always glossed over it. He was never really even taught because it’s the preamble to getting into the story of Noah and the. And, uh, so people kind of miss it, but, uh, it wasn’t, I went all through Bible college and I was in seminary and it wasn’t until we started taking, uh, languages, you know, the ancient Hebrew and Greek and others and Aramaic.
And we started looking into languages that I started to notice that, you know, words mean things and it meant things in scripture, but the English translation, isn’t always the best translation of what the original Hebrew said. And I was looking at that passage and it said, um, and in those days, the sons of God came down and intermingled with the daughters of men and had children by them.
Uh, and they were the hero and the Nephilim were on the earth in those days. And also afterward and the hero, they were the heroes of old and the men of renown. And that’s a quick paraphrase. And I, I remember in seminary, I was asking the president of the seminary and I said, who are these guys? I said, because you teach us here.
The words mean things. And it wasn’t a controversial conversation I had, we were just talking over coffee, you teach us a words, mean things. Now I’m looking into the meaning of this. And I said, where it says sons of God in English, but Hebrew is the Benet ha Elohim. And I said, Elohim is one of the names used for God in the old Testament.
And it’s used so often the most times it’s like 2,700 times. And the word, the name for God and Elohim means El, the base word is El is God. Is a plural suffix that is attached to a Hebrew word to denote plurality. Just like you have a Nephilim. Snowfall is, is, is a singular. Nephilim is, or heme is the plural.
So you’ve got Elohim and the literal translation of Elohim is God of, or among the many gods. It’s a plurality of gods. And then a four is the beginning. Benet ha Elohim literally means the sons of the God of many gods. And so I said, what does that mean? And he started chuckling and he said, I know where you’re getting at.
And he says, don’t even go there. Don’t even worry about that. He said, it’s nothing mystical, nothing crazy. He said, it’s really just talking about the sons of the aristocrat. Who built the school of the profits that they went. He says almost in a literalist literal sense, slumming in the valley with the common women.
And that’s what it’s talking about. And I said, now, wait a second again. I said, let me get back to, you said that words mean things. And we teach the Bible in this very fundamental conservative Baptist setting that I was in, that the Bible is to be interpreted literally. And I said, but it doesn’t say any of that stuff about why doesn’t it just say, it’s the sons of the dudes who built the school and they went slumming amongst common women.
And I said, doesn’t say that anywhere. And I sit on top of that. It gives us a contrast, the sons of Elohim, the God of many. In contrast with the daughters of Adam or the daughters of humans. And I said, why is it making that contrast the sons of God, the daughters of humans. So what’s that mean? And the whole answer I got was basically don’t cause trouble with that.
Just don’t be a trouble maker, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And, uh, okay. Um, I’ve since spoken with that seminary professor years later. And, um, I, when I was writing this book, as a matter of fact, I was in seminary back in 80, 81, 82. Um, back when I was writing the rise and fall of them in between the rise and fall of the Nephilim and the reptilians book, I had a conversation with him.
We were catching up. He says, man, I wanted to talk to you. He says, he says, I saw you were on that. Uh, you, you work with the ghost hunters show and stuff like that. And I go, yeah. And uh, I said, I worked with their mates. And, uh, uh, so he was really into that stuff. So he loosened up a little bit about some of these other things.
And once you get out of certain settings and, um, uh, he said, it’s a mystery, it’s one of those mystery passages. So when did it first occur to me? And when did it become a thing? For me, it became a thing as soon I was told as soon as I was told don’t cause trouble. And I thought, well, what trouble is there to cause, um, and so I kept looking into it and sure enough, this passage, um, you can cross reference, um, passages in the book of Psalms to get the name of Elohim.
Now we were being taught in seminary that there is one God and only one, God, it is Elohim El Shaddai El. Um, uh, the, the one and only God yet Elohim the name used the most times is that plurality. And I found that it could stand for two things. It could stand for a singular God with a multiplicity of power and majesty.
That’s an interpretation. It could also stand for many gods Elohim. And so it’s kind of like our word for deer in English. I see a deer singular in my backyard. I see a herd of deer plural in my front yard, same word, denotes, singularity, and plurality yet. You’ve got, if you go to Psalm 82, you’ve got, God is passing judgment on a group called the divine council in the passage and the divine council.
It has at the beginning. It’s a divine council in the heavens. And you have, God’s saying while the passage says and Elohim or God in the English stood in the midst of the gods, and he said to them, you are all gods, the bright shining princes of Evan. But then he goes to pass judgment and in the Hebrew it’s and Elohim stood in the midst of the Elohim and he said to them, you are all Elohim and so on.
So you have the singular and the plural brought in together. And so you think, well, who are the Elohim? Um, we heard all these things about the, the Nephilim being, uh, the product of fallen angels, uh, that it was the Watchers who were also known as the Benihana high Elohim, the sons of God. They are the ones who be Queens.
Uh, or not bequeath who, um, fathered, uh, the Nephilim with human women, they went in and intermingled with human women and the som passage. All it does is verify that what we had heard all along was that these are fallen angels who had gone in and mixed with women. The problem is the word angel is never appears in the Hebrew passage.
It’s the word that word for, for angel is Malak or in the plural umbrella. Heme never appears. There never appears in the book of Enoch as malloc or Mo Mela him. It always appears is Elohim, which is the S the gods among many gods not angels. So I think what you’ve got and what you’ve got to, if you look at the book of.
What kind of throws you a little bit, all the archangels in the old Testament, they all had those names like Gabrielle, uh, as a Zelle, uh, Mike AOL, um, all these names that ended with L they were the names of God named them. They were named after God L and yet you’ve got in the passage in Enoch, you’ve got a whole bunch of other angels name.
They use these L terminologies without naming the archangels. And, uh, that these are all guys that are not mentioned to be angels. There’s not the name angel attached to them. And so it started me wondering, as I started looking into this, are we really being taught mano theism, a singular God in the old town.
When there’s so many places where it’s refers to Elohim in the plural, he refers to other beings as Elohim. He talks about you get to the whole serpent in the garden issue. Uh, the name has never Satan. It’s never the devil. It’s never Lucifer. It’s always in the Hebrew. He’s called in the garden of Eden story in Genesis Nikos, and Akash is a name that goes to the new Acosta, the bronze serpent, the Brighton shining serpent, the same derivation of the word that Moses used when he raised the bronze serpent on a pole for people to be healed and Akash, uh, is the definite by definition, the bright shining one, the bringer of knowledge, the bringer of illumination.
Um, the bright shining one, which relates again, does Psalm 82, God lays judgment on the yellow heme and says you are all the bright shining princes of heaven. And so what you’ve got in the Elohim and a caution, the book of Genesis, the serpent in the garden, um, that character is referred to as, as in another place, he is the same bright shining prince of heaven that you’re seeing in another passage.
So all of this stuff is the stuff that got me on the road to asking questions and going, there’s gotta be more. And by the way, that’s all for anybody listening. That’s all the surface stuff. That’s just surface stuff that you can find. If you do any superficial study of language and you start looking and comparing passages, that’s what it’s about.
And that’s what got me.
[00:14:22] Jeremiah: Wouldn’t
the. What did the theory of God talking to the, I don’t know what you call them, the elites or whatever. Wouldn’t that kind of go by the wayside when you have that passage, let’s make man in our image after our likeness, because that would mean that they’re different than
[00:14:45] Scott Alan Roberts: So exactly. And not only do you have, let’s make man in our image, you’ve got at the time when, uh, Eva’s tempted, seduced away by Nichol the serpent character in the story. And she gives it to Adam. Uh, well, what happens there? Uh, it says an Elohim said the humans have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and it become just like us.
Let us go prevent them from also eating of the tree of life. Less, they become like gods like us. And so, um, you start looking at that and you say, who are the people he’s talking to like us? Um, and another question that came up for me in that passage was what did God have against his creation, gaining knowledge and insight, because it seems to indicate that they had of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and become like God’s metal that has prevent them from becoming just like us.
That’s how he said it. And I thought, what, what’s the prohibition? There was it just, I want you as a slave and the moment you become enlightened and you’re no longer my slave and I’ll cast you out of paradise and a curse, the serpent character, the Nicos and all of that. So I think the whole. Garden of Eden Eden story.
I used to believe it was literal because I was a spiritual being, this is the creation of mankind. This is what God said happened. I think it’s more allegorical than anything something happened there. If there is a literal story there to be found, it’s that men kind I’ve seen it described this way. And you may have heard this before.
And I did write about this is that all the Hebrew phrases and terminology used in the garden of Eden story, the exchange between the serpentine Eve, the exchange between Adam and Eve, all these terms are neutral terms, but they are also all used as sexual terms. They are used as. Uh, there’s one, uh, that, that, that the serpent beguiled Eve it’s the same terminology in the Hebrew.
As, as tempting her seducing her sexually, he gave, he gave the fruit or she took it there’s sexual connotation there. She gave to Adam, he took it sexual connotation. There it’s almost as if, and I don’t mean this to sound flippant, uh, or making fun, but it’s almost like there was a sexual three-way between the serpents and Eve and Adam and Eve.
He presented to her something she didn’t have before opened her eyes, the bringer of knowledge, the forbidden things. And, uh, well, it did
say, um, it did say once they ate of the fruit or whatever, then they realized they were
naked and that’s it. That’s the first thing. Uh, why is the first thing that happens?
Uh, poof, they’re naked and, and, uh, it’s like, what does that got to do with the sinful fall of mankind? But then you start tracing this all the way through the old Testament. If you remember God curses the serpent in the garden, on your belly, you shall go and blah, blah, blah. And he tells the woman, now you’re gonna, now you’ve done it.
Now. You’re going to bear kids and it’s going to be painful. And your lot in life is not going and in, and amongst all this, he utters what is considered in rabbinic schools and Christian schools alike. The first prophecy of a coming Messiah. He says to the serpent and the woman he says, and there will be constant eminence.
Or division a war enemies between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. And then he says, but there will be a day when he will come and you will bite his heel, but he will crush your head. He says to the serpent, now that’s really ambiguous, weird prophetic terminology. But what that comes to mean is that there is now the need for a kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would come to redeem his people from their fallen state, that’s all tied into this prophecy of biting the heel and crushing the head.
And when we say Christ, the Hellenized or Greek version of Messiah, um, that is the. Um, wordplay, if you will, as to what is meant when they say the kinsmen Redeemer, the Messiah was described in Jewish terms, as the kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would be one of us Redeemer, and he was also a legal term, a kinsmen Redeemer could be somebody that could come in and pay off your debt, who is a kinsman of yours.
Um, and this is what the Messiah came to be known as. So you’ve got this kinsmen Redeemer now, and you see this in all the genealogies in the old tells you go to the book of numbers. There’s 13 chapters of genealogies, you know, limit. get so-and-so. It’s always traced through the first born son of a man.
This is how they trace their family lineage. Now, why were they doing that? Why did they chase trace the lineage? It’s because there is this thing called the kinsmen Redeemer, that that would save his people from their sins, the kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would be one of us Redeemer, the Messiah had to sprout from the Hebrew bloodline, the human bloodline.
And so if you see this repeated over and over and over again, the kinsmen Redeemer must come. He must be one of us. He must be well, what’s the option that he wouldn’t be one of us. Um, I think the option is obviating that there was a split in the bloodline. There will be constant enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
I believe what you have happening is this. Remember Eve gave. To two sons, Cain and Abel, these were her first two sons. And it doesn’t say it in scripture, but I believe you can extrapolate from every year, every other first creation, mythology that’s out there. The births, the families that were always multiples or were twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets.
I think what you’ve got in Cain and Abel is the birth of twins. It coincides with all the other creation, mythology that’s out there. And first families of creation and you’ve got these twins that are born. And one I believe is the father is fathered by Nichol while the other is fathered by. And the way this plays out, when you start tracing all those genealogies.
Remember I said the Hebrew genealogy, the Israelite, genealogies Jewish, they all traced the firstborn son. But later in the old Testament, when you’ve got king, David of the Messiah must come from the line of David, the king that changed after the time of David. So they take David and they trace him back to Abraham.
They trace Abraham back to Adam. All these guys were linked in the bloodline. Why? Because the Messiah had to come from the human blood line and he had to come through the firstborn of each generation.
[00:23:55] Jeremiah: There’s probably people at home that are like, what are you talking about? There’s two fathers to twins.
You said they’re scientific. Scientific proof that that can happen. Yeah.
[00:24:06] Scott Alan Roberts: Actually I have twin daughters who are 30 years old and we were told at the time by the doctor there, they came in two separate placentas and they were conceived probably by the look of the development, probably 10 days apart. So I used to tell my kids when they were young, my daughters, I said, you’re lucky your mom and I were pro prolific, or there’d only be one of that.
So, you know, um, and it’s happened before. It’s, there’s, there’s been where some women have given birth to a white child and a black child. There’ve been those stories that, which aren’t just urban myths. And it’s because she had sex with a black man in a white man and ended up having twins or two children born at the same time.
And so this is what you add with Cain and Abel. Now, uh, the, the interesting thing about this too, is you start tracing. Is if Cain CA if you remember in the genealogies, in a traces all the way back, it goes from Abraham, Noah, back to Adam. Well, no, it’s like the great grandson of Adam, I think, or something like that.
But you have Abraham, you have David. It always traces the line of, and the Bible’s very clear that Kane was the first born. But when you look in the genealogies in the Bible, it always traces the line of the Messiah through Seth. Seth was the third born son because you had Cain and Abel, what, what did Abel do?
Knocks off his brother came or knocks off his brother, Abel. So all you’ve got is king. Well, Cain is said to have Purdue, to be the firstborn of the twins. And the Bible tells us that he had sons, his son was Enoch, a different. And he built a city, the first city in the land of nod for his wife and for EasyKnock, which is a whole nother question because the Bible never tells us that Adam and Eve had other kids before them
or where the other people were, that Cain ran off
to where they came from.
And you’ve got a Cain and Abel first to chicken skin scratched through Abel Cain runs off to the land of nod, marries a woman there and builds a city, has a son, but then you’ve got Eve giving birth to Seth, her third child. And she says, God has given me a man child to replace my lost son, Abel. So there weren’t other kids before that time.
So here’s the interesting thing about that. They’re tracing the messianic kinsmen Redeemer, first son bloodline through Seth. Because Abel was gone. Abel was the son of the human man, Adam Cain. They couldn’t trace the bloodline through cane. Why? Because he killed his brother. No, because his bloodline wasn’t pure human.
He was a mix of human and Celeste steal, blood Elohim and human blood. This is why they could not trace through him. And then by the time the flood comes, you have this whole story of the Nephilim and the Ben, a hot Elohim. The sons of God be having sex with human women. Bequeathing the Nephilim. Then you go right into the story.
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and the God came to, I’m going to bring a flood in. So we know the story of the very familiar story we were taught in Sunday school. The reason for the flood was the wickedness of mankind and God needed to wipe out man, but that’s not the case. When you go into the Hebrew.
It says that Noah was chosen by God, not because he was a puritanical human, who was the only follower of, of Elohim anymore that he got chosen because it says he was a righteous man who was pure in all his generations back to Adam, meaning he is the son of Seth, the third born. He is in that, that line.
And so all these genealogies do through the whole old Testament, then they’re there to establish one thing that there is a pure human bloodline from which the kinsmen Redeemer, the Messiah can come. And even all the way up to the time of Jesus. What happened? You had the disciples who wrote about them in the gospels.
They trace. Back to the bloodline of David, the king, they trace even Joseph, the stepfather trace him all the way back to, they were distant cousins in the same bloodline of the house of David. And we don’t know if that’s the truth or not. If you’re a believer in Christianity, that’s the truth to you. But all of this, you had the story of the Messiah and the pure kinsmen Redeemer, piggybacking, if you will, on the story of race interrupted because you had Nakash whoever he was, one of the Elohim came down and intermingled with Eve just as the Benihana Elohim, inter intermingled with the daughters of men and be queen the Nephilim.
Who was Cain? Really? I think tain was probably the very first of the Nephilim because he was the offspring of an LL heme Nikos and a human woman, which is what we have when we get to the Nephilim passage. So there’s a much bigger, hidden story encoded underneath all of this it’s race interrupted. It’s uh, um, the story of a sexual encounter between the caution Eve.
As, uh, as I heard it put once by somebody I read it, it was, I think it was all this, no, it wasn’t all this Huxley with somebody else. And he’s, you know, not a believer in Christianity and so on, but he said basically because Adam and Eve fucked, we’re all screwed. He said, he said, that’s what happened. It bequeath that to us.
That’s what we’re being taught in scripture yet. I think the scripture doesn’t teach purely that there’s one single God, it teaches, there are multiple gods. It teaches not anything about the sexual, uh, um, convolution of mankind. It teaches about this is why sin came into the world. It’s been watered down the teachers at the flood came because God wanted to punish.
He was going to wipe out all of mankind for sending, but he saved the one guy and his family who were the righteous ones, but that’s not what the passage really reads. He saved the righteous man who was pure in his bloodlines all the way back to Adam and it excluded cane and it was cane and the Kennedys.
That were all wiped out in the flood, this hybrid race of beings in, by the way, you look into other mythologies and other religions, and spiritualities where there’s a creation myth, a creation first family creation, first children of this first family. And there’s always some fallout. There is always some mixing with, with, uh, beings.
There’s always a flood story that is there for one purpose alone to eradicate whatever race is there that was not meant to be there. That was a, uh, a, uh, um, it’s the word I’m looking for a bastardization of humanity and that’s always there. So these are the things that piqued my interest. These are the things that made me study this out, and there’s still more to study.
I certainly haven’t ripped into all the nooks and crannies of this, but man, I’m telling. And I think even you start getting I’m speculating here. Now you’re getting into places like go Beckley Teppei in Northeastern Turkey, or is it Southeastern? Um, that is a temple site that dates back pre flood. And you know how we know this, there were two major flood catastrophes in geological history.
One was about 6,000 years ago and one was about 8,000 years ago. Go Beckley Teppei dates back 12,000 years ago. Um, or to 12,000 BC, no 12,000 years ago. And so you’ve got a series of temples that existed. What did they say? There’s animals on those things that we don’t even recognize? There’s things there there’s things we don’t even know a whole series of, uh, barely uncovered go Beckley to.
And, but it was meticulously buried. It was signs of having been rebuffed. They buried all these temple sites and there’s been speculation might be because of a great geologic flood. It might be, you know, something like that. And so it’s really interesting when you start digging into this to say, there’s a science here that I even haven’t even delved too deeply.
That indicates that there was a hell of a lot going on before the flood and, uh, the flood changed things. So,
[00:34:26] Jeremiah: so during this whole, um, happening with the fall of the, uh, angels for the lack of better term and, uh, where do the giants play into to all that?
[00:34:40] Scott Alan Roberts: The giants that’s, that’s another. There is, it calls them giants.
And there’s some places where it says they measure out to be 36 feet tall and it took, you know, 500 goats and, uh, you know, 137 something else to feed them every day. Now, if that were the case, you’re obviously seeing mythological exaggeration there. Um, if you had giants or race of giants, eating that many goats every day, you’d go to go extinct in a week.
So, um, you had, you have to look at that and say, there’s some mythological play going on here. Um, I think giants here, here’s a, here’s a good way to put it. Um, you look at the very familiar story of David and Goliath, the giant of Gath. And what does the Bible call him? The Bible calls gold. Um, and there was a Nephilim who lived and his three brothers in Gath and, uh, the Nephilim, the fie, and all these words for these, uh, not angelic beings, these, these, uh, um, uh, gigantic beings.
Now we know from the measurements of Goliath, it says in the Bible that in the, in the book of Samuel, that Goliath was stood six cubits and a span. Now what’s a cubit Accubid was roughly elbow to fingertips. So six of those and a span was the width of a man’s hand. So in the, and it all depends on what size he was too.
I am on the radio. Sorry about that. It’s okay. And, uh, so I’m sorry, Mike. I have three kids at home, 12, 10, and seven. So, um, there you go. Life familial interlude. When I do my own radio show, sometimes I think my kids just wait for me to get on air and they just come back here behind I’m in wide screen and they come back behind.
They’re like, you know, they’re doing all kinds of crap behind me. I’m like, all right, speak up. So, um, uh, he’s six cubits and a span. What’s a cubit is generally regarded to be about 16 to 18 inches. You know, you measure my cubit, it’s roughly 18 inches. So what do you get when you take six cubits and a span?
Roughly? I figured this out once, roughly nine foot three. Um, that’s pretty big, but that’s a far cry from 36 feet. Um, there are also passages that are older that mentioned that Goliath. For cubits and a span. So it got changed somewhere along the way, four cubits in the span. I think it was the book of Jubilees or something like that.
I don’t know where that was found, but four cubits in his span would be what’s four times a foot and a half, six feet. You’d be six foot, three, six foot six back in the day and age. When most guys didn’t get much above four foot, two to four foot, I’m sorry, five foot, two to five foot six, you got a six foot six, man.
He’s going to be gigantic. So the whole Cuban is span. We don’t have an a, but they said that his spear was like a Weaver’s rod from a loom and that his spearhead weighed so many shekels of weight. Um, so we don’t know how big he really was. I’ve heard people try to explain it away as giantism. I don’t buy that first.
Uh, giant is most guys who suffer from giantism are not strong. They’re not warriors. You wouldn’t classify them as warriors. Although you did have Andre, the giant who suffered from giantism, it’s a possibility. But if there were giant beings, Goliath is a measures anywhere from six, six to 903, uh, somewhere in that range of height.
And remember the Philistines also have these long helmets with the tall feathers. Uh, if you look at inscriptions, the big tall helmets, are they measuring his, his helmet to his feet or his head to his feet? It could add on the height. All it says is that he was terrifying. He terrified the Israelite army, and then he came out and he said, he said, whoever fights me wins.
And, uh, he came up and, and absolutely terrified the Israelites. Well, then it’s David, of course we know the story and David wasn’t a kid. Uh, David was probably a kid in the sense of maybe a college age kid. He was like the age of a frat boy, think of it that way. And he came up and he said, I just killed a lion with my sling.
I can kill this guy. And slings were pretty handy weapons back then. And that’s exactly what he does. He sinks a stone into his forehead, then takes Goliath stone sword and cuts off his head and brings it back to Jerusalem with him, which by the way is a very interesting little story. He brings Goliath head to Jerusalem with him.
Well, here’s the thing, David didn’t conquer Jerusalem, the city of Salem for another 13 years. So he’s got this head of Goliath and the sort of Gullah. For over 13 years. And, uh, he puts the sword into storage. He probably, we forget David was a middle Eastern Monarch in the making. He was a warrior. He became the captain of the King’s bodyguard that also tells you, he wasn’t a kid when this happened.
And he was a warrior and he went to war for king Saul, and he probably took that head of Goliath, dried it, put it on a pole. It was probably one of his banners that his troops would carry into battle. That’s David, David, the giant Slayer. And, uh, but now another very interesting thing, as long as I’m on this topic, it’s very interesting that David, I believe David was a real guy.
I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt that David, his son, Solomon Solomon built temple one. Archeologically speaking in Jerusalem. David, it says slew Goliath, but this comes out of a book that is rife with apologetic about David. There’s a lot of samples of apologetics for middle Eastern and the regional Kings in that day and age and an apologetic simply as something that makes you look better than you are and makes your enemies look worse than they are.
That’s the book also where we find the six cubits and a span. Um, but here’s David and he slays this giant will in another book, the book of Chronicles right there in the old Testament written by somebody else, the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, it says, um, and David, what did it say? And David, it was listing the mighty deeds of David’s mighty men of.
And it’s got four or 5, 6, 7 examples of his great men who fought for him, who did things. And it talks about, um, uh, uh, I can’t think of his name off the top of my head now, like Jedediah the, the, the or something like that. One of David’s mighty men, it says, and David slew, or I’m sorry. And Jedediah, it’s not his name.
I can’t think of it. Um, Jedediah, slew, Goliath, whose spear was like a loom was shaft and you know, who stood and so on. And then it goes under the next guy. And that was, it’s just a list in Chronicles. It doesn’t make any bones about it. It says somebody else slew the giant. Now did David take credit for it?
Did David’s the story of David and Goliath? The true story. It’s hard to. But what we do know, remember in that story that I know we’re a little off subject, but just to give you an idea of a flavor of apologetic, remembering that story, how David doesn’t know, why does Saul want to kill me? I’m the captain of his bodyguard.
I go to war for him. I fight for him. I am a righteous man. Yet Saul wants to constantly kill him and take him out. And then there’s a thing where he’s got a friendship with Saul’s son. Jonathan, Jonathan says, I’m going to go consult with my father about this. And he says, watch for me. If I shoot an arrow, you said run.
He said he had him a high out in hiding. Why are you going after David? And his father throws his spirit. Him, according to this story, he’s so enraged about David. So Jonathan goes up and he shoots an arrow and David’s seasoned. He’s like crap, he’s got to run. And where does he go? He goes to the high priest.
And the city of Nome to get the sword of Goliath. And he’s not king yet. He’s got the king chasing him what we don’t know and what you do, you have to sort through it all. Is that David, it said later the David took to wife. He took Abigail to his wife. He had Micah, the King’s daughter already that was promised to him to whoever slew the giant.
Then he took, uh, um, a woman named Abigail. There’s a whole story behind that. Then he took another woman and I can’t think of her name off the top of my head right now either, but he took her to wife. But the only other time you ever see her mentioned in scripture is as the wife of Saul, the king of Israel.
And there’s other things that connect her to Saul. So what actually happened here? David knew that the prophet anointed him to be the next king. He’s a great warrior. He has this great position, the captain of the Kings bodyguard that people love him. What does he do? He screws around with Saul’s wife.
What’s the penalty for that? Do you think in ancient, uh, the, the ancient middle east, you screw the King’s wife. Uh, you will probably have your end trails wrapped around your throat before you are put to death in a very miserable way. Um, so David runs and she goes with him when Saul is hunting David down, why is he doing that?
Here’s the, here’s the beauty of, of, of, uh, um, um, oh, for Pete’s sake. I lost the word, the, uh, I just had a brain fart of. Stories that are written to make you look better, um, than the apologetic apologetic. Here’s that the heart of apologetic is they’re making David look like the innocent man who didn’t do anything wrong yet.
In the other passages, in other books, they show all the things he did. They didn’t spare that you’ve got the sin of David is sleeping with, with Beth Sheba and having her husband murdered. He’s already king at that time. Uh, why did they include that story? Because they couldn’t exclude it. David was a bloody man.
He was a warrior. He worked to build Israel and the king ship and he gave Solomon, he grieved his son, a peaceful kingdom. David was probably not somebody you would have liked if you met him. He was a dirty, foul murdering king. This is who he. Was he the sweet Psalmist of Israel as the Bible calls him?
Yeah, he probably played harp. He probably wrote a few songs and a few songs. I don’t think there’s any doubt, but even bad guys have their good side, even good guys have their bad side. So all of this ties into the, all this stuff. When we talk about the Nephilim, you talk about Goliath being one of the Nephilim.
Was he really that big? Your question was about giants and I got all the way over into king David. Now, Nephilim
[00:47:37] Jeremiah: and giants are two separate
[00:47:38] Scott Alan Roberts: things. I believe they’re two separate things. There’s a mistranslation in the Hebrew, in the old Hebrew. There is also, it talks about giants, but, uh, um, there is also a cast of beings that is known in, in, uh, Jewish or, or Israelite Hebrew.
Canaanite if you will mythology called the give Borin and. In the Hebrew, they had the Gabor him, which was a cast of beings, which were giant beings. And they were, it’s almost like the gin. When you think about gin, they could be very benevolent. They could be very evil. It all dependent on what they felt like at the moment.
But the Gabor from were these mighty men of valor in ancient Israel before Israel even became Israel. Um, in ancient Canaan, when they were a tribe, the tribe of a, of a, uh, Israel, uh, the son of Jacob, even before the Jacob, uh, before that. And, uh, the Gabor them were referred to as the men of old, the heroes of renown.
Where do you see that term being used? And Genesis six one through four, the Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward. And they were the heroes of old and the men of renown were also on the earth in those days. I think you’re missing a little bit of click over somewhere. What you’ve got in Genesis six, one written by Moses, a story that existed long before Moses existed.
And I think he’s pulling over salient details to give a basis for his introduction, to why God brought a flood to mankind. Um, you’ve got the book of Enoch, which some people say, oh, well, that’s, that’s not as old, that’s a fake book. Or it was one of those pseudepigraphal books written during the intertestamental period between the old and new Testament times.
Well, the problem is you have some of the old Testament prophets quote from the book of mean. You’ve got Jesus himself quoted from the book of Enoch. You’ve got the apostle Paul who wrote two thirds of the new Testament quoted from the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was there and it existed already. I think it’s a much older book that may have gotten rewritten.
The reason they dated into the four hundreds, what happened in the four hundreds after the Babylonian captivity, Babylon came and sacked Israel, they burned the temple to the ground. Didn’t leave a stone one on top of the other looted, all the goods from the temple and they hauled off Israel. The people made them hike all the way up to Babylon as captives.
Well, after the time of Daniel, we’re all familiar with Daniel in the lion’s den. That story that all took place in Babel. During the Hebrew captivity in Babylon. Well, finally, one of these times, one of the Kings down the road about a hundred years later said, you can all go home now. So Israel’s let, let free they’re set free.
They all go back to Israel. Well, at the same time, this is in the five hundreds to the four hundreds BCE. What’s missing all the Hebrew writings, all the temple goods. So they send 72 rabbis to, um, Ptolemy the second, the Greek Pharaoh of Egypt. Um, and they say, they asked for permission to go to of all places, the library of Alexandria, which would have been the storehouse of every bit of ancient knowledge.
Imagine what, that, that, that was the Smithsonian of its day. And why did they want to go there? They went there so they could find and rewrite the Hebrew scriptures for what purpose. Now they knew the Hebrew scriptures orally, there was an oral tradition. This is why you have like, you go to bar mitzvahs.
And so on. They’re quoting the Bo the Hebrew Torah. Why did they do this? So they would never forget it was written on their hearts. They didn’t need a piece of paper, but now after so much time had passed, you have to go and reconstruct this. They did that for two reasons to re-establish the history of Israel and to, to bolster the faithful Jews of Israel.
And what was the product of all their work? These 72 rabbis, the product was known as the Septuagint or the sip to a Ginter. Um, that is the Greek. The Hellenistic Greek version of the old Testament today, if you open a Bible and you go to the old Testament that in English, that is the English version of the Septuagint written by these 72 rabbis.
So what happened in that period when they created all of this, they created all of those books, books that Constantine in the three hundreds, eight D had kicked out of the Bible, the, all the bishops that couldn’t agree on the suit, not the suit of pigs. Well, there was a suit, a picture of her, but there was also the, uh, um, apocryphal books.
They kicked them all out of the Bible. There was only run criteria, the constant seats. I don’t give a rat’s ass. What you come to as a conclusion, all I want is that it’s to be unanimous. And so in unanimity, they couldn’t come to some terms on unanimity on some of these books. So they had to remove them from the Canon of screen.
But they, some, they were so heated to debate that they said, we’re just going to set them over here in these apocryphal books. Uh, um, one of those books was, of course EasyKnock where you’ve got all this crazy stuff. Have I say, Enoch is like the old Testament on crack and you go to that and there’s crazy stuff going on.
Um, so when you get to the book of Enoch, that’s in the apocryphal books, what is that book of Enoch? I think it existed a hell of a lot long, longer than 400 BCE. That’s a book that they reconstructed in 400 BC. And so all of that to say, all these events listed in Enoch were things that took place that were known.
I think Moses, if he grew up in deed was a prince of Egypt and I think he w I think he was. Right there. Here. I turned my camera a little bit. That was him right there. in the 18th dynasty, he was a grand Vizier held 92 Royal titles. I believe that that’s the guy who, who we know as Moses. He became Moses.
What do we don’t know about sentiment in Egyptian history? Nobody knew where he came from. They didn’t know who his parents were. He was adopted and elevated to high status, then disappeared around the time he was 40, which coincides with the biblical story. This guy lived in the chronological calendar.
That would have been the same as matched the story in the Bible. So you look at all of this. If this was the guy he would have grown up in the, in the school of the Nobles, the house of the Nobles, that’s where he would have gotten his education. Moses would have been a prince of Egypt. This guy had the.
He was given the title by Pharaoh headships at the hereditary crown prince of Egypt. So Moses was a prince of Egypt, but when he left all that, he became a shakeout in the desert and Midian. Um, when he started, when he led the people out and he wrote the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, I believe he’s falling back on what he knew, his education, uh, that he grew up with.
What was his education? I think he knew about the book of Enoch. I think he knew about all of these things. There’s one thing in particular, that’s a favorite little tidbit of mine. Archeologically speaking. When you see Moses and he’s at the burning Bush, which there’s no proof for. He was the only guy there.
He just wrote about it. But at the burning Bush, what is he? He says to God, Okay, I’ll go like you’re commanding, but me kind of seem to kind of lean in figuratively and go, whom shall I say sent me what that was, was Moses seeking to find out the private name of God, because like Rumpelstiltskin in, in the legends, if you know the deputy’s name, you have some power over it.
What was Jehovah’s or, or Elohim his response from the burning Bush, none of your business. What my name is, you tell them I am sent you. I am that great. I am they speak of now. What’s interesting about that. That makes no sense. I am that I am. What does that mean? Um, the very interesting thing is this is the only place in the Bible where you see a Mesopotamian word.
Being used for that phrase, that phrase I am, that I am is an ancient Mesopotamian Marian wordplay, which literally means I am that inky. They speak of now, here’s the big question, God, knowing there, there were no Jews that were captive in Egypt for Moses to deliver Judaism didn’t exist until, until Moses codified it.
After the Exodus, what you’ve got are a bunch of Canaanites, a tribe of people, and they had certain belief systems. But what did you have when, when a God in the burning Bush says to Moses, I am that inky, they speak of, you probably have a people that knew exactly who Winkie was. And they, many of them probably even thought that God was in.
’cause where did Canaanite religion come from? Where does the name L in Elohim have its source Mesopotamia sooner ACAD the chief God of the ANU or the anew Knocky was at that time was known as Elidel or Enlil El Lil, the chief God, his brother God was, was, Ankiel also known as ER, in the neighboring Acadian culture.
ER, is the same base word for Yahweh way, which is Jehovah. El is the same base word for L for Elohim El Shaddai a yum, which transferred down from the Euphrates river valley all the way down into the Canaanite region as people migrated down there. So what do you have? You’ve got a Mesopotamian word. The ties into what Canaanite peoples would have known inky is the God of gods, um, Jehovah or Elohim in the burning bushes saying, I am that inky.
They speak of that. that’s really me. That’s who I am. And then of course you got the whole twist with Jehovah. Jehovah is a totally different God than Elohim, just like you had LL. And you have Elohim and Yahweh Jehovah in the Canaanite culture. So all of this stuff, it, it, it challenges, you know what it did.
It blew my mind, this stuff because I came out of Christianity and I still am very careful to not say I’ve given up Christianity. I haven’t thrown out the baby with the bath water, but.
I don’t know what to believe about it anymore, because I’ve seen too much of this. And I’ve had people say, well, that’s just Satan. Satan has. And I go, you mean, Nakash no Satan has deceived you. It’s a live Satan. And like, I don’t buy that. I’m just looking at history. Well, Satan knew the Messiah was coming.
So he predestined no, all of this it’s diabolical mimicry, Justin martyr called it in the first century. Um, I don’t think that’s true, but the devil raised up fake messiahs to throw us off the real path to me that says God was not strong enough to keep the real line alive. Then if Satan could forge it by just going, I’m going to have this guy be a Messiah now, won’t they be confused when the real one comes along?
I don’t know. But, uh, so all of this stuff, it will challenge you. It makes you think. And either at the core of it, all, everything is true. Biblically speaking, it’s all true. And we’ve either got it wrong. Or we need to study more to find the correlations or there’s something different at play here. There is a maybe, perhaps a pro toe religion that existed way back in time.
Um, even got you look at the book of job in the old Testament. Remember you hear always the patience of job job was, and by the way, job is the oldest chronological book written in the Bible. So it’s older than anything else written. It’s pre Judaic religion. They’ve got illusions in that book to pagan religions of the day.
They talk about. Uh, God, when he’s cha when, uh, uh, challenging, uh, job, when the arguments come up and he’s saying, were you there? When I put the Pleiades in the heavens, did you loose loosen Orion’s belt? And did you do this? And did you do that? And he brings up another name is something we’ve never identified, but the three constellations you mentioned were the three primary constellations for the pagan religions in Canaan.
So what religion are we looking at there? Uh, who is the God speaking to him? And, uh, you’ve got the situation where it says, and Satan came into the courts of heaven and accused job. And job says, ah, my servant will stand no matter what you do, you still, you can do anything you want to him just don’t take his life.
So they’re playing this game of chess. This game, like the Olympian gods used to do playing games with the lives of a human. But the interesting thing too, is that Satan, it says when Satan came into the courts of heaven, you look into the Hebrew, it says the Satan there’s an article before the title, the Satan, the deceiver came in, it was a title.
It wasn’t a name. It wasn’t a personal pronoun. The Satan came in, uh, you know, it’d be like the cowboy came in and accused. And so, um, in the book of job, you got all this stuff going on. I was going to say something else about job and I forgot, but, uh, um, I’m not slipping because of old age. My brain is tired today.
[01:03:58] Jeremiah: Um, no, you’re just saying they were testing him.
[01:04:01] Scott Alan Roberts: They were testing him, playing games and all of that. So, um, um, you’ve got all of this stuff and I was, I think I was trying to make a tie into the ancient religions. So all of this stuff, when you think about. It’s going to drive you a bit nutty. Um, especially if you were grounded as I was, I was really grounded in my faith.
I was a Baptist. I was a conservative, I was a fundamentalist. Now I gave it the fundamentalist and Baptist part a lot sooner than I walked away from the faith itself. But, uh, that’s because I could no longer buy the legalism of the Baptist and the fundamentalism and so on. And I stepped away and I went into more liberal types of theology.
And now there’s some of that. I just, I can’t, I can’t buy it. Um, Jesus is the one thing I haven’t cast aside people. Well, what do you do with Jesus now, Scotty. And, uh, you accepted him into your heart. You were born again, Christian in the Baptist church. And I say, I can’t throw out Jesus. There is something about Jesus that is different.
I think Jesus was one of the Elohim. Um, you see the same titles. You’ve heard this before used for Jesus and oh my God, for Lucifer in the old Testament, they’re both called the star of the morning. Uh, the protector of God’s brilliance, um, all of this stuff. Um, the morning of the Brighton morning star terms used for both Jesus and Lucifer, um, were they both of the cast of the Elohim Jesus?
When it says I am the only begotten son of the father, he says, well, does that mean he was, or that he, by nature of his act and who he became, that he became the only begotten son of the father, is this what was happening? Um, we don’t know for sure. But Jesus, I believe is somebody who, the mystics, the Gnostics upheld him as a son of God as a holy man, but they had many sons of God.
They had many messiahs that they elevated to that status. And if you, I did a whole series of my own radio show a year and a half ago about the Gnostics and how there was a war going on between early Christianity and early Christian Church. What became known as the literal Orthodox church became known as the Catholic church.
By the end of the second century, they were at war with the Gnostics who said, it’s not a literal story guys. It’s, it’s a figure two person. It’s somebody we have elevated to this status. He was not literally the, and what did the Catholic church do in spreading the love of Jesus Christ? They made sure that they murdered every single Gnostic that they could find in the name of God to spread the message of the love of Christ and, uh, uh, which is just totally counter to each other in the, in the get-go.
So they won the battle and they became the Roman church and it was Constantine who named himself the first Pope of that church and said, I will have two things. I will have one emperor equals one, God, one empire equals one religion. And when he can vote the council of Nicea, the first of its kind of, of many councils to come among the criteria was you need to establish the criteria for making one God, one emperor, one religion, one empire come to pass.
And then you had Eusebius is church historian who wrote it all down. And so when you start hearing this, you start questioning, oh my God, what is my faith? Really? What’s it built on? There’s an awful lot of spirituality in there, an awful lot of mysticism of off a lot of stuff, but what’s the fundamental thing we don’t really know.
So all of that to say, you said at the beginning of this show, you said they might challenge the way you guys think or believe that’s how it challenged me. Um, is that it’s like, I know too much. It’s like, okay, make me ignorant again. So I can put my head back in the sand and believe what I was told. Um, or is there something more to, yeah, the more I
[01:08:53] Jeremiah: look into things, the more like I can question things.
So it’s like, I think I know something and then I’ll listen to something else or read something else and it’ll change what I was thinking the first time. And it’s just kind like. You don’t really know. There’s just bits and pieces and you’re trying to
[01:09:12] Scott Alan Roberts: put it all together. That’s it? That’s it. And I don’t want to just Swain anybody from believing what they know in their heart is true.
I could be all washed up and wrong. Um, it may be exactly what I learned in seminary and in church with various, but there’s even variations in Christian denominations as to what’s what, um, so there is a struggle there to know. What’s right. I have always personally struggled with the idea that God who wants, according to Christian theology, once no one to be separate from him, any eternity for all of infinity, all of eternity, he wants you in heaven.
We’re told in Christianity, he doesn’t want you to go to hell yet. That same God is the God that does nothing that will convince me. Otherwise, it’s something that. It’s an infinite concept that God through the scripture has told me, I need to accept with my finite mind. And, uh, um, the Bible itself says, Hey, if a person even came back from the dead, you wouldn’t believe if you didn’t choose to believe.
Well, I say, yeah, maybe so, because we may go, well, we don’t know if that guy really came back from the dead. Do we? Um, what I would love to see is God, step into mankind, not just in an ambiguous, a spiritual sense that you got to figure 2000 years later, you’re scratching your head going. What happened? Um, you would think that God would do everything in his obviously omnipotent.
To keep us from suffering that infinite end. And so when I see that, I say, there’s something amiss here. There’s something we are missing here, um, in faith. And so I’m not encouraging anybody to leave the faith. I’m encouraging you to test the faith, put it to the test, find out what it says, find out what it means.
I find myself praying sometimes to God, what do I do here? Um, show me, show me if you are really it show me and I go, this is a way different topic, but I’ll tell you there’s one time I hadn’t been to church for a long time. My now 30 year old twin daughters were like 15. So this is 15 minutes before I met my wife rainy.
So it’s gotta be 17, 18 years. I have a very dear friend who was the pastor of a very good church that I went to. And I worked with the youth there. I worked with men’s ministries and it was a very deeply believer. This is probably pushing more like 20 years ago. And I remember I hadn’t been to church for a few years, so it was starting to doubt a lot of the stuff.
And I remember praying and I said, I’m going to go to church today. I’m going to hear my good friends speak. I’m going to enjoy the song service, which I always loved in that church. He was very big on that. I’m going to enjoy the class that you go to before the sermon with the, all the guys, my age, and we enjoyed each other and had a good time that at least couples.
And so I got to church and I said, God, I’m just going to, I’m going to lay out my fleece. Please give me a bone. I said, throw this dog above. And I said, I know you don’t really work that way, but if you got a bone to cast me, throw it. So I went to church and the first thing I found my faith, my class with all my friends, they had somebody coming in from the, the, uh, the elder board that was talking about finance in the church.
So it was a bland class. Oh, okay. Whatever. Well then, uh, I get with my friends where we go into the service and I’m going to sit and I’m going to love this song service while they sang one song. And then they talked about the business of the church. There was some big thing was happening and they were sharing it with the church, with the classes.
And so the service was cut short. I was disappointed all booboo you say, so what you know, it’s I got there on the wrong Sunday, then I that, well, I’ll, I’ll listen to my friends speak and see what he has to say. And he was on vacation and there was a guest speaker who I totally tuned. He didn’t speak to me at all.
And I remember I sat there that may all sound very superficial to you and to everybody. But I sat there in that setting and I started to cry. I wasn’t weeping. I just, ah, I was just like, what is going on here today? And my eyes welled up and the wife of my friend, we were all sitting in the same, uh, pew together.
And she kind of looks over at me and she reaches over and she taps me and she mounds cause the speaking and she goes, are you okay? And I looked at her and I said, I got to go. And I got up and I left. And uh, they did message me to see if I was okay and stuff like that. But, um, all of that to say is that even on an occasional.
I thought I could throw a bone out to God or have God throw me a bone. It didn’t happen. And it was one of two things either. I’m a, I’m a blunt ignorant idiot, and God is saying, I don’t need to throw you a bone. I’ve already given you everything you need to know, use your head, or it wasn’t anything what I thought it was.
And, uh, um, so there you go, there, you have it. I’ve now got, I had three older kids from a previous marriage. I’ve got my three younger kids. Now we have not raised them in the church. I’ve been with my wife for almost 17 years. And, uh, we have not, um, raised our kids, Christian, although I don’t not expose them to it.
Um, I had one. Went to camps last summer Christian camp and stuff like that and had a good time. And I said, well, tell me what you learned. I got my son who used to ask me all the time at bed time, sing me a song about Jesus. Cause I used to sing songs from the bedtime that were some of the old youth group songs.
Um, there was one song and I know this is not on topic at all. It’s just pertinent to me. There was one song that said it was by Michael card. And I sang this to my kids with the guitar at bedtime. It says to hear with my heart, to see with my soul. Um, how did it go when I’m not singing it? I think of the words to be guided by a hand, I cannot hold to trust in a way that I cannot see that’s what faith must be.
And so I would talk to my kids about faith. And so all of this stuff, way back to what you said at the beginning, it wrapped by faith. And it tore it apart. Cause I let it cause I was questioning, I wanted the answers and the answers I got were not manufactured answers to undo religion. They were what was there historically.
And so there you go. I know we drifted way off topic, but
[01:17:09] Jeremiah: uh, no, it’s all good. Um, so one, one last thing, if you got Tom, uh, what do you think as far as the fallen angels and Watchers and I just, I have to know personally, do you think that plays into the whole like alien, alien abduction, UFO phenomenon? I think it plays
[01:17:32] Scott Alan Roberts: into it.
How closely? I don’t know. I used to say, um, murder the first time I kind of coined this. I, I mentioned it in my book, but the first time I said it publicly, I was on coast to coast with George Nori. He was asking me, well, wrap this, wrap this up for a Scotty, you know? And, and so I started, I said, you know, the story of the Nephilim, it’s the story of, and I mentioned it here once before tonight, is this story of race interrupted?
Oh, this is George. And I, I said, you know what I mean by that is, this is something where something came in and disrupted humanity. The big question is, have we tried to not necessarily cover it up? But, uh, the, the, the ediology of myth is the way we explain things that happened to put it into mythological terms.
So we understand it better. Is that what we have done with alien abductions, that what we’ve done with alien races that came to this planet? I’m not saying that happened, but I can’t say it didn’t happen. The universe is a pretty big place. And, uh, trying to say that there is no possibility that that happened in the past, or why doesn’t it happen to now?
People say, well, maybe it does. Um, what did it say in the book of mark? One of the gospels, as it was in the days of Noah social would be at the coming of the son of man talking about the second coming, the second advent of Christ, coming back to the earth to rapture the millennial kingdom, all of this.
And what was going on in the days of Noah, you had beings so less steel beings coming down and intermingling with the daughters of human and creating an, a, a hybrid race. Is that the same thing we see going on now? Are we in the end times?
That was my daughter exasperated by seven-year-old exasperated with wondering if we’re in the end times or not,
[01:19:51] Jeremiah: but yeah, definitely. Um, so it could be, so
[01:19:55] Scott Alan Roberts: it could be, so it might be, it looks like it could be, you know, an interesting little factoid and I put this in the book, um, was the 33rd parallel issue.
Um, oh yeah, I read that. That was interesting. I just find it interesting. And I had bill burns from UFO hunters. Uh, he said to me, man, he says you’re onto something there, but, uh, um, hold on one second daughter, I’m on the radio. Could you turn that off? Thank you. And don’t scream. Uh, so sorry folks again, a seven year old who has, uh, is the undisputed queen of the universe.
And we have to deal with that every day. So, um,
[01:20:44] Jeremiah: so what’s on the 33rd parallel parallel on
[01:20:47] Scott Alan Roberts: the 33rd parallel. If you go to the north of Israel up on the border between Israel and Lebanon, there’s a three Mo peaked mountain there, three with a mountain range. Um, and there’s a mountain called Mount Herman that is there that straddles the border between Israel and Lebanon.
Now, mountain Herman is mentioned in the Bible a couple of times, but it’s also mentioned in the book of Enoch, um, and it talks about, um, and in those days, the prefects from heaven came down and set foot on the slopes of Mount our Mon Mount. Our moon is Mount Herman. And this is where the 200 prefix, according to the book of Enoch set foot on the ground, they’re not called angels called prefix of heaven.
It gives their names, Shum, JASA, um, and all these other ones. And this is where they came down and set foot. Uh, the Ben a ha Elohim, the sons of the God of many gods, the Watchers, they came down and set foot on Mount our moan. And they went into the cities below and do what with the human women. And by the way, it says they loved them.
It wasn’t an evil act. Let’s go in ha we are minions of Satan. And we shall, you know, uh, lead the people astray. It said they chose whomever they wanted, and they loved the ones they chose and they dwelt with them. They didn’t just impregnate. They married them. Then they, they, they lived with them, taught them the heavenly gifts, the forbidden knowledges, well Mount our moan or Mount Herman sits on the 33rd parallel in the grid that goes around the globe.
Now, if you trace the 33rd parallel, I don’t know why this is here. This way. Trace the 33rd parallel from Mount Herman in Lebanon, Israel, all the way around the globe to the opposite side of the globe, the exact opposite spot on the 33rd parallel. What do you have? Roswell New Mexico. Oh shit. The crash site of the supposed crash site that took place at Roswell.
Now I had some skeptics. Oh, that’s not the exact same, you know, they’re off by a couple of it’s Roswell. Um, it’s on the exact opposite side of the globe. On the 33rd parallel. What’s 33 mean, I don’t know. What’s 33 to the masons. When you hit 33rd degree, what’s 33, 33 33. What’s this grid. This is where bill burns said there’s a grid around the whole planet where everything lines up with each other.
Um, which is to me, that’s very interesting. There’s also, I believe it’s Mount Herman that also in a straight line connects with somewhere in Greece and then somewhere in Scandinavian country. And there’s a very similar round ruins there of a city that they link to the same kind of thing. No, it’s the Oracle of Delphi.
So as I believe, it’s Mount Herman to the Oracle Adelphi. The city that has connections in Norwegian mythology. So there’s things like that. So what does that mean for you follow a G or for aliens? Uh, bill burns said he believed the aliens had a, you know, tracks. They followed around the planet. Well, um, Mount Herman, this is where the 200 prefects from heaven.
The bene ha Elohim, the Watchers came down mingled with human women and had children by them, the Nephilim, but then 2000 years later, uh, or more than that 4,005,000 years later on the other side of the globe, the exact same spot on the 33rd parallel, you got the crash of an alien craft, supposedly, and then all the there’s a lot of mythology around it.
Yeah. So who knows? We don’t know for sure. It’s interesting, but there it is.
[01:25:25] Jeremiah: All right. Well, that has been eyeopening and probably shattered. So people’s views on some stuff, but like I said, question everything. And like I say, on my show, don’t just take everything you’re presented at face value and don’t just believe to believe because you’re told to believe.
[01:25:48] Scott Alan Roberts: Right. And that’s my big thing. I don’t want to do what I’m told to believe. I want to do. What I find out is the right thing to believe. And somebody said, oh man, then you’ll never have faith. I’m like faith has to have an object. And it can’t just be, I believe that this soda pop can, is my savior. Um, and I can build an, uh, a mythology around it.
I can build a theology around it. So there it is.
[01:26:21] Jeremiah: Well, thank you again for coming on and, uh, speak here. Thanks for having everybody and definitely, uh, enjoyed the conversation.
[01:26:31] Scott Alan Roberts: Can I do one quick plug? Yeah, go
[01:26:34] Jeremiah: ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I usually already know I’ve just been so wrapped up in the
[01:26:39] Scott Alan Roberts: conversation.
Well, this is an important one because, uh, there’s three weeks left of it. Um, I wrote a new book. It has nothing to do with any of this stuff. I’m an historian and I love history and I wrote a book called the sword in the clay. Uh, you may have seen this. If you’re on my Facebook page, you might’ve seen this, uh, the sword and the clay is a story about Wilburn, who was a real life.
True story, a Canadian Blackwatch soldier. Excuse me, who? During world war one. After the bombardment of Amiens France finds an old Roman. In the clay and they dated back to Caesar’s Gallic wars and the fifties BCE. And so that sort is you can still go see it in the museum. Uh, all they knew was that when it dated too, they didn’t know who it belonged to obviously, but, uh, they do know that there were some battles that took place in what is now Amiens France at a place called Samarra Briova during Julius Caesar’s Gallic wars.
And so I created a fictional character, uh, is a Bruzzo he’s a century in Caesar’s armies. His two brothers are Legionnaires with him and, uh, it’s his sword is what I’ve made up in this story. And there’s also ghost stories. I’ve taken from Wilbert zoned memoirs of his brother and believing his life was saved at Vivi Ridge by the ghost of his brother.
And so I’ve written this book, it’s a short book, it’s only 8,000 words, but it’s fully illustrator. Um, I just happened to have one of the illustrations sitting right here. This is a, it happens to be Mari as a Bruzzo and his brothers. So that’s some of my illustration work that’s in the book. And, uh, so to get, uh, um, the funding to create this book, uh, we had somebody that, uh, we talked into starting up a publishing branch of his company for historical books like this.
And I said, if you fund this, one of the things we’ll do, we will, uh, start a Kickstarter campaign and show you just the level of interest that people have in this kind of book and a good history. That’s not written as history. It’s all written in narrative it’s it’s characters and the relationships between will and his brother, uh, Mari, his son, his brother, his brothers.
And so, um, there’s a kid. It was all I’m going to say about that. The link is really long and it’s hard to go, go to kickstarter.com/this and the question mark, and two G a L it’s impossible, go to kickstarter.com and in their search field type in the sword, in the clay, that’s the title of the book. You’ll see our page.
We’ve got three weeks left. We’re trying to raise $20,000 to publish this book and really to show the, uh, the publisher that, that there is interest out there in this kind of thing. And we’re at 2000 as of today, we’ve got three weeks left to go. So if you’re interested in this kind of thing, you want to know more about it.
You can look at my Facebook. I don’t even have it up on my website yet. I’ve been so busy, uh, but go to the S the Kickstarter page, the sword in the clay, and I’d love it. If your listeners, uh, would, would, uh, go ahead and pre-order. And maybe even do a little bit more there’s rewards over there eating, take a look at,
[01:30:19] Jeremiah: yeah, I’ll have to go on there and I’ll make my donation
[01:30:24] Scott Alan Roberts: right on.
[01:30:27] Jeremiah: I don’t know how much I can put down cause I’m sure I just paid to, uh, take a trip to Peru this summer, but I’ll donate some
[01:30:36] Scott Alan Roberts: well it’s $30 to get the book. And, uh, um, these, these kinds of books, usually retail for around 26 to 29, we’ve got a 29 95. Uh, there’s a couple more bucks. You get a bookmark there’s, you know, stuff like this at tumblers like this from the book and all kinds of, it goes all the way up to 200 5500 and a thousand, if you want to just put money into the company.
Uh, so, uh, there’s that as well, but, uh, there you go. There it is. So I’d appreciate anything or listeners.
[01:31:12] Jeremiah: Yep. Sounds good. And if you send me any links, I’ll put them in the show
[01:31:15] Scott Alan Roberts: description. I’ll send you the actual link to it. Fantastic. Yep.
[01:31:20] Jeremiah: That way they can get there faster and easier. Right on. All right.
Well thank you for coming on and sharing your knowledge. Uh, definitely enjoyed it. I’m sure my audience will as
[01:31:31] Scott Alan Roberts: well. I hope so. Thank you, Jeremiah. I appreciate it. And, uh, anytime.