[00:00:00] Jeremiah: ;Hello? Oh, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.
hello and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. I’m your host. Jeremiah joined with a special cohost April. And we are joined today by the author and star of ancient aliens. Jason Martel. Hello, Jason.
[00:00:56] Jason Martell: Hello. Nice to meet both of you. Thank you.
[00:00:59] April: Nice to meet you.
[00:00:59] Jeremiah: Nice to meet you. Thank you again for coming on and speaking with the audience about this topic. I think it’s important in this day and age to really know where we come from. So I’ll first ask you. Because I haven’t really heard you speak about it before. So how did you get involved with the whole engine alien show?
And did you expect it to be as big as it is today?
[00:01:27] Jason Martell: Great question. Well, no, I did not. So I’m, I’m 48. I just turned 48 and I’d say I got into this research. A little over 20 years ago. And so when I was in college, uh, first of all the climate to talk about things like Annunaki, or Nibiru or planet X or UFO’s for that matter were just taboo topics.
Um, so when I was in college, someone had just, you know, I was, uh, I was waiting tables, uh, surfed. It’s basically the like circle view of my life encompassing. And someone had college had mentioned that NASA had taken pictures of a face and pyramids on Mars and I was intrigued, but also very skeptical as to why I’d never heard about this before.
So in looking into it, it turns out that the principal photographer that is arming the orbiters and Landers with camera equipment was a gentleman named Dr. Mike Malin, who had a company called Malin space science systems. Which was also located in San Diego where I was attending college. So I thought, okay, well, I’ll just reach out to Dr.
Malin as a civilian college student, you know, and ask some questions about these structures on Mars and his answers really intrigued my curiosity further. He basically said there’s no artificiality whatsoever. These are not. Uh, artificial, uh, just natural objects, you know, sculpted by wind and, you know, natural processes.
And for me, this is kind of made my RA my eyebrows raised even higher. Um, as I was able to find, let’s say two to three other peer level review scientists that had credentials in satellite telemetry. One of them was Dr. Mark callado with a C mark callado and Dr. Mark Carlito developed these algorithms using fractal analysis, basically really advanced math, almost like AI to look at a satellite image and go, oh yeah, that’s that’s actually a tank or some troops being covered up by a, you know, a tarp or something.
His fractal analysis could identify artificial structures. When you applied that same analysis to the satellite telemetry oversight Donia or these pyramids and face are like everything. It came out like 98% probability to be artificial. He wrote a whole book on this, you know, and NASA never did anything.
They just missed the face and the pyramids. And I won’t get into that discussion tonight, but for me, that’s what initially peaked my interest. And then I realized, well, wait a minute, these are pyramids in a face, supposedly on Mars. We have stuff all over our own planet that we still don’t really know, like who built the pyramids and what is right.
And so that’s, that’s kinda what kick-started me into the quest of looking for the origins of like, all right, well, where do we really come from? If there’s stuff on Mars, like how far back does it go?
[00:04:29] Jeremiah: And then as far as ancient aliens, the show is concerned.
[00:04:32] Jason Martell: Um, right. So basically leading up into that, uh, Several years of doing research and lectures.
Uh, I worked very closely with Zachariah Cichon, uh, and a few other researchers, but, uh, really tried to, uh, embrace a lot of his learning. And at the time let’s say 13 years ago or so ancient aliens was first approaching Erich Von Daniken and saying, look at, you know, we have this new series we want to do, we want to put this in a new light.
And at that time, All of us, you know, myself, Giorgio, Erich Von Daniken, anyone else they would ask to do a show like this would instantly put on their skeptical hand, be like, right? You want to do another show where you’re going to basically let us talk and then put on a bunch of skeptics that make us look like idiots.
You know, it’s like, that was the pattern before ancient aliens. Um, but no, that wasn’t the case. And so Eric Vandana can said, you know what, I’m going to pass on being like your star, but I’ve got this guy, Georgie. Who would be perfect and, you know, on Georgia for many, many years, and, uh, you know, he’s, he’s great for, you know, uh, how they, how they chose him to, you know, kind of be the star.
And I was in episode one with Georgia, where I did an on-camera experiment with the Baghdad battery, which I’ll show you here in a minute. I pulled it out to show you, but how I got on the show was basically that there were, there were a handful of. That we’re promoting the ancient astronaut theory. And since I had spent years researching and analyzing data and acquiring artifacts, um, working closely with Cichon, you know, when they approached me, I was of course, Skeptical.
Um, but as things progressed was very grateful that a show like that existed and every year as a new season would come out, the same question would come up. Um, holy crap, how are we going to talk about new content? It feels like we’ve covered everything.
[00:06:38] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s definitely a show that we love. We’ve seen every episode at least twice.
So definitely a as long as you guys can keep it going, that would be great for everybody
[00:06:51] April: with the COVID and all that. It seems like you guys are doing more round table. Are you still going out? Plan on going out and doing some more exploration?
[00:07:03] Jason Martell: I’m sure that they will, you know, honestly, there’s, there were some changes, um, during COVID the creator of the show, Kevin Burns, you know, rest his soul passed away and that probably affected perhaps some of the format and ideas.
Cause he was extremely influential in the show. He has just a brilliant mind. Um, so with losing Kevin Burns and with COVID taking. Um, I’m sure that you’ll see things returned to normal. I, I, myself, you know, deviated into other paths, uh, with my personal life, uh, taking kind of a break from doing filming no longer located in Los Angeles, even though I’ll be moving back.
Um, so, you know, it’s just the sign of the times, you know, things change. I wouldn’t, I would comment April that even though ancient aliens shifts, in some ways, what we can also take note of is that there was a huge relief. You for logical data around, let’s not call them UFO’s but UAPs now, unidentified aerial phenomenon, maybe confuse people a little bit, but also throw up this smoke screen of we’re about to release a bunch of stuff now.
Um, which has. Which has been their Mo over decades with a blue book and the content report and various other things that have been structured analysis that were from the get-go one sided. So I’m very grateful that the show ancient aliens has opened up the topic and allowed for a global audience to start to explore their origins and understand that the biblical tales that they were probably taught as kids or raised.
I was raised as a Christian, so that maybe there’s some merit and substance to the myths and legends that are recorded in that form, but are actually telling us a much more deep set of information, if you can lock the secrets and make the connections. Right.
[00:09:02] Jeremiah: So for we’re talking biblical and stuff like that, a lot of people and some people in my audience probably don’t know.
About Zachariah’s situation and the Annunaki story. If you can, um, explain that for us, like where the theory came from and then kind of go into the story of how the Annunaki came to be and how it can kind of shed some light. That’s not currently in the biblical tales.
[00:09:31] Jason Martell: Well, I did a couple of fun things for you too Jeremiah.
Brought out a couple of pieces. Since as soon as you said, this is a video interview and we’ve all been stuck in our homes for so long for, for some, you know, no time. So I thought I would at least show you a couple things. So, first of all, when we talked about Sitchin here, um, here’s the first book that he wrote called the 12th planet and make sure I’m showing you on camera.
Right. And, uh, I, you know, I’m grateful enough to know them back at the time when I got an autograph from him and his wife, where they would sit at the time. And, uh, she was there right alongside him, basically as the strong arm, making sure everything got done. Right. And, you know, over the years, as I got all of his books, um, we became pretty close and he, Lazily would shorten my thing to just like, I’ll take it, take it, but, uh, he’s you know, a great man.
And the, the story was Sitchin into myself. Actually, I don’t really talk about it a lot, but basically what happened was, you know, I’m a very technical person, as far as web technology. Um, I currently worked for Meta. I don’t really talk about that much, but, um, you know, I’m exposed to a lot of technology and things that, uh, you know, run our lives now.
And so, uh, to look back on ancient technology has always been fun and not. Into too much ancient technology, which we’ll come to in a minute, but you know, in the formation of the internet in 1996, that timeframe, um, I was very interested in Zacharia Sitchin’s research. And so I was one of the first ones, if not the first to like dedicate website, uh, you know, videos and information and clips on the site I created called X facts.
Then fax equifax.com. And I basically aggregated so much of his information from his books and various things. Um, and at one point I remember I got my first phone call from Zachariah and I was, I pick up the phone, I’m like, hello. And he’s like, Jason, this is Zechariah Sitchin. And I’m like, oh, and the first thing he says is why are you using my images without my permission
um, and, uh, you know, he’s such a funny character, but you know, we, we became friends and I explained to him what was happening. And I became close with the people that, you know, uh, helped him with his lectures and stuff. And, um, so we, we just became very close and eventually, you know, I would get to work with him off camera in some of the groups that we would do.
Studying things. And he would also call me to use my technology, like my projector and such like that. So it was, it was a lot of fun when was around and it was a different, it was a different ball game back then, you know, he attracted such an audience and he would, he would travel to ancient Iraq locations with actual people.
And, you know, uh, it was just a, you know, an amazing legacy that he left behind. So, you know, I was very grateful to have his influence. And since his passing, you know, the legacy has continued through the show and through continued research topics like Nibiru, uh, topics like on Annunaki, which we’ll talk about in our time, uh, you know, in this show, uh, the two things I note quickly are that when we look at the, Annunaki as just their interaction with the Sumerian civilization, as the Bible talks about, there was a time when giants were upon the earth.
God man lived amongst his living gods sounds kind of like the Sumerians were experienced in that with the Annunaki, but we’ll what we also have around the globe are other cultures having similar experiences and B being bequeath knowledge that is unexplainable. And there’s a tying bond, which seems to have been discovered in all of these cultures in their gods.
Most of them is that these all, all the gods seem to have a very strong connection with them. As if they come out during the day and can walk around and be amongst the tribes or the people, and then at night, they recede into the waters. And so what we have are descriptions of not only the Annunaki like Enki, always depicted with water or so through Zoroastrian religion, the same picture of a fish, like God.
Um, w what we have across other religions is a play on the word, like Dogan Dagu and dogda, dog star, all of these show references of what a peer to be like a fish, like God, all referencing the Sirius star system. So. Two things that have happened since Sitchin’s passing with the whole theory of the Annunaki and such that are interesting, that we can talk about further one, the model of who are the on Annunaki and where they come from.
Is there another sun that is causing Nibiru to loop back around? And where is this other planet? Is it a dead star or is it serious star system, which Orion and many other cultures point to as the source of where their gods come from. And then also the model that sits and put forth around the Nibiru.
It’s really complex stuff, you know, up until now. We always thought of, and you guys will too, when you think of the solar system and you think about it in your head, you see a sun sitting there and planets spinning around. It turns out we’re most likely a binary solar system, which means we have two suns.
Our other sun is probably Sirius if not a failed star, but I think it’s Sirius. And so if you think about two suns, that means our sun is Orbiting. Another sun, it’s in a constant binary orbit. And if that’s the case, then as our sun is orbiting in this vast orbit called precession at 24,000 year cycle, then what’s happening is you actually are moving through space.
Meaning our earth is it’s going around. We’re going along for the ride. And so there’s a whole other model that Sitchin didn’t account for including procession, which is a moving a solar system in motion. So figuring out who the Annunaki were really where they really came from great topic and also understanding the model of Nibiru in more depth and clarity for, you know, for hopefully maybe they will return who knows.
[00:16:07] April: So they, um, I’ve read your first book. I haven’t read the second one where it was updated or hope to get that soon. But, um, in, you know, 2012, and I’m probably jumping the gun you know, they thought that possibly I say I say it wrong, but X planet that they thought that maybe they would be coming back. And something major was going to happen.
Um, I don’t know if there was an actual visitation or what have you, but did you see anything? Did you notice any changes that nobody’s really talked about?
[00:16:49] Jason Martell: Yeah. So this has been an ongoing topic, and so they’re there. First of all, there aren’t any really notable earth changes or solar system changes of planets heating up or anything that we can actually.
Need to worry about that shows Nibiru’s approach, but there have, there have been blips on the radar and Ufology where people with the wrong credentials making, like hitting a drum. And if you beat the drum loud enough and there’s no one else doing that, everyone’s going to listen to the drum beat.
And so this started roughly in around 2003, when there was a lady named Nancy Lieder. Who claims to change, who claims to channel information from Zeta Reticuli aliens and a couple of other authors named mark Hazelwood, just people that came out of the woodwork. Hadn’t done any research and had non tangible sources and were making like claims that planet X was coming back.
Well, 2003 came and went, there was no planet X 2012 was aligned with the idea. The Mayan calendar ending, which is the ending of one age, not the end of time. It’s just the end of one age. Um, we’ll talk about that in a second here too, but there’s a large like clock that they use to look at dividing the heavens into 12 parts, the 12 houses of the Zodiac.
And every 2000 years, we point to a new north star. We’re in a new age, like the age of Pisces, which we just left. And now we’re in the age of Aquarius, which some would point to around the 2012 marker, which the Mayans were also noting as well. So now there was no planet X. And the thing to note with planet X is two things.
One, if it has a 3,600 year orbit denoted, from the way math is broken down in sixigesimal. Sumerian math. They had a base math of 60 and very easily divisible by 12 and other numbers. And the orbit of Nibiru was around 3,600 years. Every time it would make a completed orbit, 3,600 years, 3,600 years. So if you think about the solar system being seven, you know, our earth and everything, 7 billion years old, let’s say the earth then.
The time that Nibiru has done a 3,600 year orbit. If you divide like 7 billion by 3,600 it’s it’s like, well, over a million times, that may be your rule has come in and done an inner pass. It probably doesn’t always cause grit like grand effects every time. And the next time Nibiru is coming anywhere near.
We have a very large, um, amateur astronomy community. They always see things first, like Shoemaker levy nine that impacted Jupiter, Hale Bopp comet. They’re the ones that will see things and go, oh my God, look and raise it to the professional community. So if anything, substantial is actually coming to the inner part of our solar system.
We’ll have, uh, you know, enough eyeballs to, to notice something like a planetary size object coming our way.
[00:19:58] Jeremiah: Now I heard that, um, like the asteroid belt and stuff like that was probably made from collision of a planet or something. And then there’s also a theory that a planet or some type of body hit into our earth and kind of created the moon by like taking a chunk out of the earth to create that.
And that’s why it’s not like other moons from other planets.
[00:20:26] Jason Martell: Well, there’s, there’s, there’s a lot of theories around the moon itself being either towed here or, you know, whatever its purpose is. But the story you’re explaining is an interesting one in that, you know, in the Bible, we have the whole story that, you know, the earth and heavens man, there’s like seven days of creation.
If you roll that story back from the English version. Into the Sumerian oldest version of that tale, there’s actually seven tablets of creation, part of a larger tale, uh, called the Atra-Hasis there’s also the epic of Gilgamesh, which the Atra-Hasis is an example of explaining, you know, how we, how we come to be.
And so it’s a, it’s a really interesting tale when we look at the lens of time through that and explaining some of the nuances that aren’t told in the Bible. Um, so the, the basic story is Zacharias Sitchin and interprets. It is that Nibiru was a planet that was being gravitationally polled by the outer planets of our solar system.
Uh, you know, Saturn Jupiter, some of the larger planets that eventually pulled me be so close on one of its successive. That it’s largest moon. You beat her has a bunch of debris following it, a couple of moons. And one of the largest moons of Nibiru called north wind as the Sumerian translation. As, as on one of these primitive orbits, maybe become some so close to earth, which was called Tiamat at the time its primitive name that north wind, the moon of Nibiru struck Tiamat and created the asteroid belt.
What was then Tiamat now called earth into its new position and strung out the asteroid belt, which the Bible calls a hammered out bracelet. So there is enough room, interestingly enough, between Mars and Jupiter, where the asteroid belt is for a planet to freely, uh, you know, be passing by that is four to eight times the size of.
Roughly the descriptions of the Sumerian information. Um, so, you know, we, we do have a really interesting cosmology tied to the Sumerian information. If you think about a collision of that nature, north wind whacking, our primitive earth and creating just this huge collision of the asteroid belt, that leaves earth is just this chunk missing half the planet.
Well, it turns out if you roll the back, if you roll the time, clock back. clock of time, whatever, you know what I’m saying? What we see is an interesting concept called Pangea right? At one time, the continents were all connected. It was just one chunk of land, but like the skin of an apple, that’s the continents of peeled back to where they are.
So even the cosmology of our, of our earth and its creation can be tied to the Sumerian tales of this collision, which fall in alignment to everything that we see today, geographically.
[00:23:30] April: You don’t think it made the earth flat? I don’t believe in the flat earth theory.
[00:23:36] Jason Martell: Every now and then those are interesting things to think about, but I pretty sure that we’re on a sphere.
[00:23:44] Jeremiah: So with the Pangea theory, I was thinking the other day, it’s just something that popped in my brain. Is it possible that all these great pyramids that are found around the world were actually built during the time of Pangea. And that’s why we find them all over the place, because they were actually closer together at a certain point in time.
But spread out when this incident happened, it’s just a theory.
[00:24:10] Jason Martell: That’s an interesting concept, actually. Let me think about that one for a second. So I would say probably not in, from what I see in the, in the architectural changes across cultures, from my into Cambodian, uh, to Aztec, to Sumerian, they all share similar principles, but have slight nuances in their building style.
Um, but what we do see is that there are ancient maps, the Piri Reis map. Um, Charles Hapgood map that actually show all the continents still connected the types of animals and people that were there. Really interesting to think about that. You know, um, there is at least a mile layer of ice, a mile thick of ice covering the north and south pole for these maps to have existed.
Um, you know, Uh, in these timeframes, uh, you know, let’s say 15 hundreds and such, um, there’s no way that they had an aerial perspective. There’s no hot air balloons. There was no planes. These are all coming from ancient sources. So you really have to wonder how they got that. About the accurate topography of the land masses underneath the ice, and somehow have maps to navigate and circumnavigate the actual continent and not the ice.
Um, so it’s, uh, it’s an interesting tale, I think, to look back, um, through the lens and analyze a lot of these artifacts and wonder, um, where did these influences come from?
[00:25:51] Jeremiah: And then also the pyramids. And I think you’ve mentioned in your book, um, that they seem to have some type of alignment and it aligns to different star systems.
Or if you can explain that a little bit,
[00:26:04] Jason Martell: there’s a couple of things there. So we have megalithic monuments all over the earth from Stonehenge to the Giza pyramids. There’s a collection of sacred sites all over the earth that seemed to have been placed at geodetic points. That are connected in some way that somehow shared an ancient source of energy.
Um, we don’t quite understand what that energy was that they were harnessing or what, you know, what it was for. But the greatest example to lean into that would be the Giza pyramids. Um, anyone who analyzes the Giza pyramids can, can quickly see that there they’re not tuned. There’s a great amount of evidence to show that there were some type of a reactor.
A lot of the evidence that I looked into with the pyramids started off on a micro scale, which I’m going to lean over my laptop and show it to you in a minute and then lead up to a more macro scale around how was the pyramid being powered on a micro scale? What we see across Egypt? Ooh, it’s back here.
Our evidence of electricity in Dendera. They see they’re holding up large light bulbs and it’s, it’s plugged into some type of a device. There’s also representations across Egypt of what looked like this, which is known as the Baghdad battery. And these were found in 2,500 BC in ancient Iraq. So a lot of people have put together that if you have an ancient battery, Ancient light bulbs.
Yeah, they were using electricity in ancient Egypt. Now this one, it’s just a very simple clay pot with a copper lining and an iron rod. And if you fill this with any weak acidic acid, grape juice, wine vinegar, you can generate about four volts. And if you think about a modern light today, you know, to get a light, you can do that with a, with a, with a nine volt battery.
So some of the Egyptians. Baghdad battery styles, you see are six feet tall, not four inches. And those are probably generating 30, 40, 50 volts. I’m not really sure. Um, but if you think about the idea that they were using electricity on a micro scale, the pyramids plug in literally at a different level.
The story of the Ark of the covenant, where we basically hear that story where the, the Hebrews use it to put the 10 commandments in there and walk around with it. But there’s an origin story to the Ark of the covenant, where it came out of Egypt, you know? And so what’s really interesting is that when you tie the whole Exodus and Moses leading with his people, well, what if, what if the pyramid of Egypt was actually being powered?
By the Ark of the covenant. Now I say that because the Sakara, the sarcophagus is the exact biblical cubit dimensions of the Ark of the covenant as if it would just fit right in there. No lid needed, there’s no sarcophagus. You aren’t just fit right in. And it was somehow powering the great pyramid. We know the arch of the covenant was.
You know, great energy source. It literally was a way to talk to God and could level any, you know, um, enemy that an army that had that, you know, that stood before them. So to me, what’s interesting is if you change the story of Moses, and there’s a great deal of research about this, uh, Egyptian scholars and such that show the arc all over the place in hieroglyphs being referenced and that when Moses left with his people, He also took the Ark.
That’s why he started the commandments in it. But you think about why Ramseys would come after him take the battery out of the pyramid and the city goes dark. You dang straight. He’s going to come after Moses. It changes the whole perspective of the urgency of the information, and then realized that there was a technological layer to all these biblical tales.
And it makes it a lot more cool to realize that yes, most likely. There is a technological layer explaining that all these ancient sites were harnessing some ancient energy. And to me, uh, in a simple answer is I think in the last golden age, in the last time we were at a, uh, a state where we. You know, use our mind to do things like the ancient Reese, Rishi texts from ancient Vedic text 10,000 years ago, they speak about humans being almost God-like, but we seem to have lost that knowledge.
So I think what happened is that the pyramids were taking some energy that happens and our evolutionary process where we go through the dark ages and then the golden age. And when we’re in the golden. The pyramids somehow use this energy and other sites to hang on to that energy as long as they can, before we go into the dark ages and forget it all, all the pyramids and all the ancient sites go dormant.
We don’t even know what they’re for anymore. And we’re re we’re now just relearning. 2000 years later, like, you know, AD to BC, if you go back 2000 years, there’s all this activity, Sumerians, Egyptians, then we forget it all. And now 2000 years later, we’re rediscovering a lot of this. And so it’s a, it’s a cyclical pattern.
That is a very interesting one. That’s caught my attention. That’s a rise and fall of civilization here on earth, possibly caused by astronomical processes.
[00:31:33] April: Um, so do you think somewhere in our DNA, that that key is in there and it just hasn’t been unlocked yet?
[00:31:42] Jason Martell: It’s a really advanced topic April. I mean, I, we have 30 minutes, so I’m going to try and squeeze in some of this stuff, but this is the stuff that’s really led me beyond the topic
of Nibiru I’m going okay. Well, great. Nibiru if it exists, we’ll find it. But the solar system model to support Nibiru over 30 ancient cultures were aware of a 24,000 year cycle that we today call procession. And, and today we pin it on the moon and say that there’s this lunar solar wobble that causes this degradation by one degree over 72 years.
And they try to explain procession is 24,000 year cycle in a model that fails. But if you look at a lot of these ancient sources, like these ancient Vedic texts and, and our, and our light, our latest understandings of looking at other solar systems with the Hubble, and now the James Webb telescope binary solar systems are everywhere.
It’s like, holy crap. Most solar systems are buying. We’re most likely binary, even the oldest encyclopedia, Britannica and descriptions from the eighties, they, they denote, oh, there’s a dark star. That’s why this 10th planet, this planet X is looping back around and coming around. There’s a lot of evidence in the astronomical circles of trying to explain our solar system model.
If we shifted to the idea that Sirius star system Sirius a and B Cirrus is this huge star super bright in the sky. All the ancients were aware of it. They said the gods most likely came there, but then there’s a little Sirius B you, you can’t see it with the naked eye yet. The doggone tribe, and many others were like, no, there’s planets orbiting that little star and like our gods came from there.
So there’s a really interesting story. When we look at over 30 ancient cultures, here’s another book I have on that one. This one’s a really hard one to get it’s by Giorgio Cintanilla and. Vonn. I can’t even say her last name, but it’s called Hamlet’s mill. There are two MIT professors that wrote this book analyzing over 30 ancient cultures.
Hamlet’s mill, um, where they were, you know, following this cycle of time. And so to answer your question, April in a long-winded question, there seems to be an astronomical process that over 30 ancient cultures, we’re aware of that we go into a, a golden age. And we’ve divided this into 24,000 years.
And so every 2000 years we’re going through a new cycle. And so it seems to be that we, we have some effect on our higher consciousness when we’re closer to these two sons, when the sons are at their farthest. We’re in what we call the dark ages. When the sons are at their closest point, we’re in what we call the golden age.
And so the only way I can explain it so far that I’ve been able to understand is if you think about the sun’s energy that we have now, our current yellow sun, the way it makes you feel it’s summertime and all the plants lean towards the sun and the energy of feeling. If a second super hot white blue energy sun is introduced somehow that affects us and opens our consciousness in a way that I don’t understand.
And I can only explain it to you like this and then I’ll take a breath. There are motions on the solar system that affect us that we’re just not aware of her paying attention to the three basic ones are this every day we. Lose consciousness and wake up based on an astronomical cycle that our earth is spinning on its axis.
That cycle causes us to go into day and night. Nighttime, everything gets dark quiet. You, you fall asleep 12 hours later. It gets bright again. Boom. You wake up. And so does everything else. All of that is controlled by an astronomical cycle that we have no control over cycle to the earth is going around the sun every 365 days.
Right? That’s a solar orbit. Seasons change animals migrate like all kinds of temperatures change, drop, fall, all because of an astronomical cycle. There’s a third cycle folks. 30 ancient cultures said that there’s a rise and fall of civilization, but it’s over 24,000 years. It’s such a hard thing for us to understand a 24,000 year cycle.
That can cause the, the types of change in evolution. There’s an insect here on earth called the mayfly. And it only lives 24 hours. Its whole life cycle is 24 hours. Birth death, two mayflies are sitting on a branch. You know, I’ve heard of this stuff called wind and rain. I just. I don’t think it exists.
I’ve never seen it and they both die and they’ve never experienced it. So the analogy there being funny is that there are cycles that affect us on a grander scale. That many ancient cultures are going to great lengths to try and communicate to us. And I think that’s the part of the missing link of looking at Sitchin or the Annunaki is that there are many ancient cultures, not just the Annunaki that embedded, astronomical, mathematical architectural knowledge.
Around the time of how they were able to influence us, perhaps when they can influence us. And it’s not, when we’re in the dark ages, it’s at a time when we’re more receptive to being with aliens. And if you think about everything that’s happening now, the aliens have shown huge restraint in buzzing around and interacting with us, but not blowing us up or hurting us just saying, come on, go.
Get with the program. So, uh, we live in a very interesting time to look at the past and try and understand where it’s taking us for the future.
[00:37:22] Jeremiah: So speaking of the past, um, if you can take us back to the beginning of man and how the Annunaki came to earth and how they pretty much shaped those to what it is.
[00:37:40] Jason Martell: Right. Well, we have a really interesting tale that basically shows us that even modern science aligns with this, that around 400,000 years ago in Southern Africa, these beings called the Annunaki came here to mine, the gold that these precious veins of gold that were found, uh, and they didn’t like doing that.
They didn’t like doing this work. And so they fashioned a worker being in their image and after their likeness. To do the work, which essentially was us. And there’s a whole bunch of tales around how the first Adam was created. The first one, an arm didn’t work or the leg didn’t function until finally they show actually tablet of like cylinder seal descriptions from Sumerian.
Times of her name was Ninhursag. One of the chief scientists Annunaki holding up the Adam now not Adam as in Hey, what’s up Adam as an Adam or in. Hebrew Adamou worker. It was the first fashioned being. And so this tale is a very interesting explanation as to the Annunaki’s involvement in creating us in their image after their likeness.
And if you look at the, the, the science of how we’ve looked of looking at our genetics and trying to understand where we come from, there’s something called the mitochondrial DNA. That’s only inherently passed down through mothers and doesn’t mutate. So essentially the human beings that look like us showed up 400,000 years ago that mitochondrial DNA signature shows up then.
And it perfectly aligns with the whole idea that most likely the Annunaki came here saw this ape man naturally evolving here on earth, big foot Yeti, the Australopithecine. All these descriptions, uh, of a, of a being that was already evolving naturally, they basically just put their genetic imprint and took 20% from that and 80% for them and made us.
And what’s really interesting about that tale is, you know, if you look at the progression of Bigfoot or the Yeti, or even just gorillas in eight, They’re fine in the jungle. They can run through and they don’t get sunburned. They don’t get ripped up by branches. You throw a naked human in the, in the jungle and we’re screwed.
You’re gonna get cut up, eaten sunburns. You know, we’re not equipped as like a natural by-product of the, of the planet. So it’s a really interesting tale. When you look at it through the lens that there, there was, there was not a missing link. There was genetic intervention and they created us in their image and after their likeness.
And so when you follow that tale, where through the biblical interpretation, you know, eventually things kind of got out of hand and humanity got too loud. As the Bible would say, um, the Sumerian version basically talks about how the Anakie are chilling up in their spacecraft. Watching, knowing that when Nibiru passes, there’s going to be this cataclysmic event, which will cause a great flood.
Should we do anything about it? No. Let them go and write that I’m being, I’m being soft on the, on the issue, but basically from the Sumerian descriptions, they describe how the Annunaki watch this wave pass over the earth and then realized, oh my God, what have we done? We w you know, we destroyed everything.
They come down and they smell. When the first, you know, Ark landed, they smell him cooking the meat of a lamb or a sheep, and they realize, wow, we really need humans. What do we do here? And they changed their partnership after that. Um, at least that’s the, you know, the story and how it goes. Um, But there’s a lot of tales that show that man has always been trying to rise beyond into the heavens the whole tower of Babel and confusing.
All of our languages is an ancient tale of us. Basically figuring out how to build an ancient spaceport and working together and to the point where they’re like, Nope, you’re not going to do that. So it’s happened in the past. Will it happen to us again? Will we be cut off from going to space as we’re just about to, within our lifetime now another deviation of the topic, but an interesting one.
[00:42:06] April: Well, to stick with that little deviation. I mean, you think sometimes when man has too much knowledge and what we do with that knowledge, you know, knowledge can be used for. Or it can be designed to destroy cities or to distort people, or so I wonder if, if maybe, you know, them being, I don’t know if they’re, I guess they’re smarter than us, you know, sees that ahead of time and is like, okay, you’ve done too much.
You’ve done too much killing. You’re not succeeding in anything really. I don’t know, that’s my biblical part of it when God did Babel. Okay. You’re trying to get up here to where I am. I can just imagine what you’re going to do with it.
[00:42:51] Jason Martell: You know, it’s an interesting point. Apron I’ll shift gears slightly because this is an interesting point is the current progression of what we see with the UAP release of data.
Very soon, you’re going to have this triangular UFO called the tr three B that they’re going to release, which is the next generation of stealth that they going to be like, wow, look, all the UFO stuff you thought was just. Not necessarily, there’s a huge drive from the U S to militarize all the ancient technology, all the UFO technology.
And I’ve come to realize that this isn’t the best approach. I’m fascinated by all the technology I’m hooked, even in my career path, which I won’t talk about on camera necessarily, there are technologies and things that I’ll pursue as a job, but. What I don’t think is a good idea is the militarization of space.
Let me give you an example. All these ancient gods that were here in the past Annunaki. Um, you know, various other religions that have interaction with, with gods that we’re visiting. If these gods come back now and they see a militarized planet with guns pointing at them, that’s not the reception that I’m trying to put out for, uh, having the ancient gods return.
And so, as I said, the aliens and their interactions with our nuclear sites and everything that we’ve seen in modern Ufology shows, extreme restraint on their part to just say, come on, guys, get it to get. Um, so I would say that while I’m interested in all the technology that comes with the ancient and modern understanding that there is a presence beyond humanity, that’s occupied earth.
I don’t want us to militarize and have that be a threat. I think that that is the wrong approach. And the military up to this point might be more interested in using technology to further those initiatives fast. Right. Finger guns and that such, which I understand, but I just don’t think it’s the right approach based on the interaction model we’ve seen over thousands of years is one that we should be not.
Like pointing guns, but like open arms and like doing other things with our technology. We’re just, we’re not there right now in our evolutionary process, but, but there’s good evidence to show we’ve been there in the past. And so we’re just needing a little bit more time to come into this awareness as a civilization and join the galactic community.
[00:45:19] Jeremiah: So weird question. And, um, I don’t know where it’s in anything. The UFO and alien abduction phenomenon and, you know, alien presence on around the earth. Uh, do you think that it possibly could be leftover Annunaki from like maybe some of them stayed back? When the planet like left orbit.
[00:45:43] Jason Martell: Yeah. Well, you know, I, I actually just today for fun, maybe it was cause we brought, I thought we’d bring it up in the show and connected here.
I posted on Facebook and Instagram today. Some 12 year old and 12, 12. Oh my God. 22 year old photo. Before I was looking into the ancient alien topic. I did quite a bit of research into alien abduction and worked firsthand among abductees and other researchers looking into these topics. So I’ve pulled up some photos of me working on a set of NBC for a special called confirmation executive producer was Whitley Strieber and I was working alongside Daryl Sims.
Dr. Roger Lear, another gentleman named Steve Neill and we basically were recreating an abduction scene in someone’s bedroom, manipulating these aliens that my buddy, Steve Neill, 3d special effects made, and, you know, just sharing laughs and ideas with some of these great minds. like Darryl Sims and rest his soul.
Dr. Roger Lear. Um, and so I posted those images as a reflection to answer your point like this. Um, I was very fascinated and when I. Became aware of the alien abduction phenomenon being a very real phenomenon. And then when I realized that the Sumerian culture and many other cultures talk about ancient beings, that very S that are very similar to the modern day, gray alien, or Android like aliens.
So in the Sumerian times, there are descriptions of these creatures called Igigi. And they’re described as flying the craft of the Annunaki helping with medical experiments and there’s little figurines and statues that you find in the British museum and the Louvre and Istanbul in various museums that show these Igigi, they look like a modern day, gray alien.
Some of them also kind of look Android like, and there were Sumerian phrases where you would speak to some of the Igigi. Translating to identify whether it was alive or acting as if so. Uh, there’s a clear parallel between these cloned beings that we see today as the greys genetically modified, not birthed, but somehow a cloned race that are most likely assistants.
To a higher intelligence, perhaps like the Annunaki, a lot of the alien abduction experiences have overtones of, there’s always three. There’s always this like, um, insect, like praying mantis one. Um, and then there’s also this Annunaki like presence, right? And so I think there is something that ties back through thousands of years into current abductions and.
You know, our, our past history as well. Maybe they’re just checking up on their medical experiment. I mean, if they genetically made us in the first place, they probably have little helpers, you know, checking up on us.
[00:48:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause it seems like a lot of the abduction stories I’ve heard have a lot to deal with, you know, genetics and reproduction and stuff like that.
So it would definitely make sense.
[00:48:51] Jason Martell: Right. Travis Walton, many other key people Whitley Strieber you know, who have come on camera and talked about. You know, talk about how this wasn’t, you know, um, like, uh, that they were capturing the, you know, them and using them as like animals, like we tag animals and send them back out to be very similar to how we can be classified as an alien abduction.
But no, some of these experiences go into psychological and meaningful experiences. Some of them can be scary, but some of them also upleveling someone’s consciousness, Whitley Strieber had, and probably continues to have. Upleveling experiences. Others have doomsday images put into their head of like the world’s going to end.
Or if you don’t stop doing things, you know, things will blow up and like bad stuff. Um, so all kinds of mixed messages, but what is interesting is that the aliens, at least those grays have not been forthcoming. They’re always very elusive and mysterious about what they’re doing, why they’re doing it. And all we can do is look at the evidence.
There also seems to be this. Hybridization of people being abducted the genetics, but then there’s babies. And then the, the, the, the, the, the women, sometimes the men are taking a board and holding a baby because it’s, yeah, it’s an alien, but it still has that human need, which maybe they don’t understand why it needs the mothering yet.
They’re like, okay, well, let it have some mothering, lots of weird stuff. That you can take out of and go in another direction, but you know, John Mack and many others prominent minds have investigated the alien abduction phenomenon and shown that it’s, it’s just something that’s happening on a global scale that is being, you know, tucked under the topics of discussion.
[00:50:41] April: So if they were to come back and I look at planet earth and the depletion of it, certain things, what do you think they would actually come back for?
[00:50:52] Jason Martell: Well, I don’t think they ever left this part of it. There’s enough evidence to show that there are things happening with the resources and minerals, perhaps on earth that, you know, we just don’t fully understand.
It might not just be about us. Um, I’ll give you an example. This is kind of a weird thought, but a lot of the ancient tales, um, biblical tales, um, Indian Vedic texts. Talk about wars of the God. The gods at wars, different wars happening amongst the gods. Well, if you lean into a lot of these tales, you’ll see that there are essentially different races at war.
There were Annunaki type beings. There were the Indian invaded gods and there were also reptilian or the demonic, like the demons. But there were also, if you go back these tales, they’re not demons, they’re reptilian and it turns out, or there’s even insect, like ant people. It turns out that there could be civilizations underground in the ocean reptilian.
And I know it sounds weird, but they still exist today and are doing things that we’re just not aware of. We’re not paying attention and we only get glimpse of glimpses of their activity and of their vessels. And we’re now just starting to. You know, try and figure it out through shows like ancient aliens and, you know, uh, even released pilot testimony, the air force, isn’t the one covering this stuff up.
It’s the Navy. This has been going on for a really long time stuff coming in and out of our waters and the fleets of, you know, not only craft that land on the ships, but all around the world, there’s, you know, activity that’s been going on and being monitored that we’re just not aware of. And that’s part of the global cover-up, which, you know, I’ve stayed safe.
And what I talk about, I talk about the ancient there’s pyramids and stones. You can lift up and someone learned something, but the modern topic of the coverup coverup has not been asleep. Like career to get involved and pick at, let’s go take pictures of area 51 or classified sites. You know, I really don’t recommend that folks.
Um, but I will end it, you know, as we’re getting closer here in saying this as a civilian today, you have the ability to get involved in classified research. You can get Q level and higher security clearances. To work at sites like area 51 and S four and other places I’m literally in Los Altos, California right now, silicone valley right now.
And there were stories about startups here, reverse engineering, anti-graffiti technology, and flying around these little drones that would disrupt the atmosphere. And all of a sudden you’d see it, then it would go away and they were invisible and weird stuff. Yeah, my point is, is that there, there are programs today that are happening, that if anyone is interested in learning and wanting to know about UFO’s and the.
Not necessarily going and working for the Navy or the government, but there are companies, if you investigate this stuff enough that have anti-graffiti technology and exotic technologies where they are also employing civilians, depending on you know, your skillset. So I think it’s a very interesting time that we live in.
I wouldn’t say that disclosure is eminent, but it just feels like a different game that’s happening. And we’re about to land people on Mars in, you know, two years, we’re going to go to the moon, the moon 20, 24, 20, 25, and then Mars. And so these are huge steps. If these actually happen, what’d you go, uh, for a few orbits and, um, you know, let them get it down.
Right. But yeah, I definitely am interested in, in helping pioneer and, and move that needle forward.
[00:54:55] Jeremiah: All right. Well, we will wrap it up here. Um, is there anything you would like to tell the people in closing, or you can, uh, talk about your website and whatever other works you have in the
[00:55:09] Jason Martell: I’ll just do one last fun thing.
So I’ve got my latest book, knowledge apocalypse it’s on amazon.com, but I did a fun thing with the cover with some subliminal knowledge. I predict that in the next few years, that’s why it’s on the cover. We’re going to have a new ship release. That’ll become public. Hmm. It looks like that. Not the things above it.
The flying saucers, that little triangle, the tr three B
[00:55:37] Jeremiah: kind of looks like the one I’m the Phoenix lights.
[00:55:40] Jason Martell: That’s right. There’s a whole technology layer there of the tr three B. And you can Google it, maybe another conversation, but that’s probably the latest and greatest new thing that, uh, hopefully we’ll get to see.
See where it takes us. Thanks for the interview guys. Fun stuff. We’ll have
[00:55:56] April: to, gosh, thank you so much. I wish I had a couple more hours.
[00:55:59] Jeremiah: But yes, thank you for coming on and I will link your website and everything in the show notes so people can easily access it. And, uh, we really appreciate it. Thank you for taking your time to talk to us.
Everything’s very fascinating and we love looking at all that stuff. Reading about it. And of course, ancient aliens that we watch pretty regularly. And we’re going to be
[00:56:25] April: heading to Peru sometime this year. So we’re going to check out some ancient very
[00:56:31] Jason Martell: fast
and definitely talk to you soon.
[00:56:37] Jeremiah: Bye-bye thank you. Okay. And there you have it. Jason Martell dropping knowledge on everybody. It was good. Having him all. I like his perspectives, enjoyed the chat. If you enjoyed the chat and enjoyed Jason Martell, make sure to check out his website, which will be linked below the episode.
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