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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials and welcome back. We’re gonna have a stimulating conversation with Dr. David Edward. Gonna be talking about a mystery that’s as old as time, and that is the law city of Atlantis. Talking with Dave about his, uh, research and his evidence that he thinks he has found the law city of Atlantis.

So we’ll get into a riveting conversation about what he has found, but first, if you could rate and review the show, I would highly appreciate it. And also if you want to contact me, you can go to on the contact page? You can shoot me an email if you want to be a guest on the show, or if you have a show topic idea, or if you just wanna talk about anything, fringe hit me up on there.

I respond to all my messages in a timely manner. So let’s travel back in time with Dave, Edward, and talk about the law city of Atlantas and remember question everything.


Hello, and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast? I’m your host. Jeremiah. I’m joined today by Dave, and we’re gonna be talking about Atlantis.

The topic that a lot of people like to dive into, or just have a curiosity about. And David here wrote a book on Atlantis and what he thinks about Atlantis and where he thinks Atlantis is located. So we’ll get into all that juicy stuff later. So right now I’ll introduce him. Hello, David. Hello, Jeremiah.

[00:02:09] David: How are you? Good. How are you? I am I’m super duper. It’s it’s eight. O’clock where I am. So normally I’m pretty lit up by now, but I held off on all of that so we could have a good coherent podcast.

[00:02:20] Jeremiah: Yep. It’s eight o’clock here too. And okay, beautiful. Uh, it’s five o’clock somewhere, I guess.

[00:02:25] David: yeah, it, it, those poor bastards.

[00:02:30] Jeremiah: we got, um, a very hot topic and uh, a lot of people like to look into it and fantasize about it and, uh, solans what, uh, What made you like set off on this journey? Like, did you hear about it? And you were like, yeah, I’m gonna write a book about this. Or, um, like, is it something you’ve always been interested

[00:02:56] David: in?

Yeah, look, I’m a nerd. Right. And it sounds like we’re both kind of like nerds. I, I think I’m a little older than you. So, you know, I came up in, in the seventies when I was a kid, you know, we didn’t have as much content as we do now. Um, but if there was a book written on Atlantis or, uh, spaceships, I mean, anything Aaron Von Danigan wrote, you know, you mentioned it.

I, I read it as a kid. It’s just what I read. And I watched all the shows, um, uh, you know, constantly, constantly, and I’ve been watching the shows for, for 30 years and stuff. So, so basically, I don’t know, it was. Maybe four months ago now. Um, I had, I had listened to all of the, what if the wrong podcasts that I, I possibly could.

I’m an old guy. I can’t sleep. So I was up and I just, I, you know, I, I, I looped through your stuff over and over again. And then when I ran outta that content, I went over to YouTube. Uh, and I started in, in YouTube, fed me the, uh, bright insight channel with Jimmy Corcetti. Um, if you’re familiar with that and he, in 2018, um, he kind of, I guess, created his channel and he found this thing called the rich hat structure.

Although it goes a little bit before him, I know the whole history of it, which we can get into, but he kind of, he’s the one who popularized it. Um, and he kind of broke the news. And then, so in 2018, 19,020, there was obviously a lot of gyration around this particular location called the rich hat structure, which is in, uh, the, uh, Western Sahara, um, in a country called more.

And so I, I was watching this and I have a background. I’ve got, uh, a doctorate degree, I’ve got three graduate degrees. I’ve been president of university. Um, you know, I’ve taken Asian history courses, I’ve written 42 books. So I, I have that toolkit. And when I saw this and I listened to ’em, I was like, you know, I think there’s something there.

Uh, so I decided, and, and Jimmy does a really good job and I’ve talked to Jimmy. Um, in fact he and I, we have a couple projects we’re actually working on. Um, but he didn’t get everything right. I didn’t think, and then I kind of delved into it and I, you know, and he started exploring and he realized there are some criticisms.

So I, I wanted to see if he was right. So I started my own research kind of independently from, from ground zero. Um, using much more of a scientific methodology, very modern, uh, approach to this. And I said, let me see if I can verify, uh, how close this RHA structure, um, fits. Uh, to what, uh, we know about Atlantis and we can get into what we know.

We don’t know very much, but we know something and I’ve had, there’s another guy, David STIG, Hanson, who I always, um, mention, I don’t know if you know him. He has a channel, uh, on YouTube with, under his name. And, um, he’s actually been to the rich hat structure and he has millions of photos and he’s got lots of videos, but I’ve talked to him, uh, at great length.

He’s a talker, I’ve got a, uh, a geochemist, um, that, uh, I’ve worked with to look at some of the rocks that are out there. So we’re trying to, to do this a little more scientifically and analytically, um, which is kind of how I fell into this whole thing. And the book Atlanta’s solved the final definitive proof, which is of course, available on Amazon.

It came out in, uh, April of this year. So

[00:05:56] Jeremiah: for the people listening that might not know what is this Ette structure and where is it

[00:06:02] David: located? Sure. And let’s, and so let’s talk about two things. We’ve got the Ette structure and how it lines up to. Atlantis. And then we’ve got what we know about Atlantis and, and what we think we know about Atlantis, cuz there’s a lot of, uh, nonsense to use a kid friendly word, um, about whatever this place is, but what the rich hat structure is.

It’s a, um, they call it a, uh, a volcanic dome. Um, so was just a way that’s explaining how it was formed. If you go look at it, if you just go to Google and you type in RHA, um, R I C H a T um, that’s why I gotta type in, you’ll start to see pictures of go over to the images and what it is. It’s um, about 345 miles inland, which we’ll talk about why that’s actually good versus bad.

And it is a geologic formation that has mountains to the north is open to the south it’s um, in the middle of the Western Sahara desert, it has, uh, a center structure and then it has two concentric circles of raised. And then between those lower areas, where if there was water, if it was raining, you know, it’d be a lake.

So you have, you have this classic kind of Atlantis sign of a center island and then two concentric, um, rings of water and land outside of it. Uh, so it looks really interesting and it doesn’t look like anything else on earth. Um, and it’s in, uh, more which just the name of that country. It’s kind of a cool name, right?

Mo no other country in Africa has, has a name like that. Um, but yeah, and, and this has been known, uh, in the book and available on the internet are a lot of, uh, uh, NASA images, a lot of satellite image of this thing. It was discovered like in the 1950s, when we started putting satellites up and it’s actually a landmark that, uh, uh, the space shuttle, the us space shuttle uses when we had one, we don’t have one now, but when they had one, they would use it to, um, uh, what they call coordinate, you know, on their approach.

When they, when they got over this part of the world, they could see it very visible from space and they would use that to kind of know about where they were. So it’s, it’s just a wildly interesting. Yeah.

[00:08:02] Jeremiah: I guess the originating story about Atlantis and this loss civilization goes back to, um, Plato.

And, um, I forget the name of it. It’s like Craus and TAUs or something.

[00:08:17] David: Courteous and Timus um, and you know, you can have, I, I, I, for a long time thought it was CR courteous. Um, and tinies, but I guess that’s not the right way to say it. So it’s courteous. It’s a hard eye as, as they say, but yeah, so he, he wrote, so, so let’s talk about, so Plato is, um, uh, an ancient Greek philosopher.

That’s how, that’s what we call him today. I don’t think he would’ve seen himself that way, but he wrote a bunch of things called dialogues and what these dialogues were, and this is in what they call the classical, uh, grease period. So we’re talking 400 BC plus and minus, um, and the dialogues were.

recording a lot of the conversations he had with his teacher, Socrates, um, Plato actually founded a school, uh, and famous people like Aristotle. If you’ve heard of Aristotle, you know, graduated from the school. In fact, there’s, there was some, there’s some controversy with Aristotle that we can get into.

Plato died in like, um, I 19 or, uh, 360 something or three 40 something, uh, BCE. It was like he died 12 years after Alexander. The great was born. Um, and Aristot. Mentored Alexander. The great, so we’ve kind of got lineage, you know, all the way from Socrates through Plato, through Aristotle, to Alexander the great of course, Alexander the great conquered, um, conquered the world in these dialogues.

We, all of us didn’t read the Republic. We carried it around when we were in high school, I think in 10th grade, um, we probably carried it around from month as we were supposed to be reading it, but no one read it. You know, none of us read it even, I didn’t read it and I’m super into this stuff, but you know, I’m not gonna do it.

They told me to read it. So there’s no way I was gonna read it. um, but that’s his most famous work, the Republic. Um, and in the Republic he tells us things like, um, uh, uh, what. If, if he were to try and put a government together, because one, he, one of the things he was trying to figure out is what does a good form of self-government government look like?

Right? Because the Athenians, they invented democracy. Um, the way they did it, it had, uh, a few more challenges than we have today. Some of the problems they had were the same, but so he did a lot of that. He, he wrote out, well, if, you know, maybe if we were to kind of do a thought experiment and, and put it all together, he wrote all that down.

And then he had this, an allegory called the cave, which is very famous. This is like the most famous, uh, platonic or Plato thing. And, um, what that, what he was trying to do there is explain, okay. You know, like what’s a chair, you know, what is justice? What’s the right thing to do? And his theory was, there is kind of the perfect version of it.

Like when we look at something and we know it’s the chair, how do we know it’s a chair? Well, cuz a chair has attributes and has kind of a perfect form. He would say, and then the real world is all copies of that form. And then so, you know, and so that’s his thing in courteous. Um, he records the story of Atlantis from Crius who’s the speaker of it and, and Crius his grand.

Great, great, great grandfather named Solon had gone to Egypt in 600 BCE, um, because Solon was a, uh, Athenian, um, Politician. And this is early. This is before the classical period. This, when they’re, they’re, they’re trying, they come outta their dark age. Uh, and he went there trying to figure out what to do.

Uh, one of the things that the Egyptians did was they talked to him about their ancient history. Um, and he wrote down what they said, and they spent a lot of time translating, um, a lot of the hieroglyphics and the scrolls and the histories they have into this ancient history story of Atlantis, which is what he wrote down.

And then one of the myths is that, uh, Plato heard it. It was kinda like this oral tradition. Um, it was passed down for hundreds of years. So it couldn’t be that accurate, but that’s not actually what he says, what he says is this guy courteous, um, had possession of the scroll that Solon wrote, he read it.

And then he was telling, um, Plato and other people, um, what is said. Uh, so that’s kind of how we know about Atlantas.

[00:11:58] Jeremiah: Okay. And then from that, um, I know he talked about like, you, you come at a different take than a lot of people where like a lot of people think that. Oh, Atlantas was super advanced, had like lasers and, you know, spaceships and stuff like that.

But you, from what I’ve heard, like think it was more of like more advanced for that time. Not like what we think of advanced.

[00:12:24] David: Yeah. I mean, look, one of the problems with Atlantas and it’s hard to talk about, and there’s a lot of setup to do, just to be able to talk about it. Um, but the Atlantas has been beaten to death, right?

And it, you can pretty much go find someone who is gonna tell you they’re an authority, uh, who will tell you anything about it. But look, it’s not nuclear submarines. It’s not UFOs, it’s not death race. Matter of fact, the RHA structure in the time period, which we can get to the time period doesn’t require, um, a single thing.

That we know, you know, typically people that, that like Atlantis or UFOs, they have this term called, you know, like the, the, the mainstream academics, right. Or academia or, or so, and they’ll say, well, they’re wrong. And then this is what it really is. But for the rich structure to be Atlantis, no one has to be wrong.

Um, here’s what, here’s what we know about it. Uh, the, the time period we’re talking about. So the story in play that says it happened 9,000 years before Solon went to Egypt. Well, he went to Egypt in 96 or in 600 BC. Um, he had 9,000 years, so he get 90. Uh, thousand BC, uh, that time period corresponds to two things that, that actually lend a lot of credibility to what Plato’s saying.

Uh, the first is we’re dealing with a time period at, at the end of, um, what they call the younger dries. And I can tell you what the, what a dries is basically it’s it was the last ice age. Um, and it’s when all of a sudden, exactly like to, almost to the, to the day, um, the earth temperature increased like 40 degrees, which is a hint that something.

Bad happened. And there would’ve been things like earthquakes and tsunamis and all that stuff. Now, also during the last ice age, this part of Africa, the entire Sahara desert from, um, from Egypt all the way over through Libya, um, through Morocco and then through more, all the way to the Atlantic ocean was what they called the green Sahara.

So, you know, we talked about it, what time it was I’m in Florida. I’m, I’m just a hair north, uh, you know, latitude longit longitude, um, of, you know, where this thing is on the planet. So the weather was about like what I’m seeing, which is it rains a lot. Um, it was very green. They, they, there were huge lakes in the middle of Africa lake.

Chad was the biggest lake on the planet for a long time during this period. Um, so that’s 9,600 BC. What history tells us is two things were going on in 9,600 BC, uh, first off and, and historians don’t dispute this younger driest thing. In fact, uh, there was the younger dries sea older dries, and the oldest dries, which go back in time and the dries is just a plant apparently.

And they can that preserves well, so they can. Measure the plant in the, in the soil and stuff. And they can fig kind of guess what was going on on the planet. Um, we also know about about 10,000 BC is when agriculture is when is when hunter gatherers and cavemen, whatever you wanna call ’em started to, to, um, form into camps and started to, um, have agriculture as part of what they do.

And so they started to build societies around it. So that that’s 10,000 BC, that that’s 400 years before this 9,600. Um, so no, one’s gonna dispute that. Um, and then we have the, uh, uh, what they call, they call it the pre pottery neolithic, which is, so you have the ice age, which ended about 9,600 BC. And, and then you have, uh, the pre pottery, neolithic and neolithic.

That just means the new stone age. So it’s a transition from the, the prior stone age, but all pre pottery neolithic means at this time is that, um, people use stones as tools and they hadn’t, they weren’t baking pots yet. which is consistent with what we find, um, at, at the structure. Uh, it’s also consistent with, um, people living in this area.

And if you look at the rich hat structure and you, you take into account that, um, we’re talking about the green Sahara, then we’re talking about a ton of rain. We’ve got lake Chad, biggest lake on the planet. It’s raining, raining, raining, and, and the geography around this thing fits perfectly to, if, if it’s raining a lot, the rivers drain into this large basin around where these, um, islands would’ve been, uh, they form a river that flows, you know, to the sea.

There there’s plenty of room for agriculture and all the things that Plato tells us, um, that they were doing. So it’s, it’s, it’s the only thing about, um, is the only answer for Atlantis. It doesn’t require you to conflict with any of the current view of history and it matches everything Plato’s set. So a lot of times, you know, I talked about these TV shows I watched in the, in the seventies, eighties, even, even still you watch ’em in, in the, format’s still the same, the first half hour.

It’s just amazing travel log with very smart sounding people who are telling you how they’ve got the whole thing figured out and you buy into it. Then the second half hour is them, uh, telling you how now they, they don’t really know, and they gotta change this and maybe Plato got this wrong. You know, maybe the time’s this or time’s that.

They never answer the question. Right. But for this, we can answer the question without having to conflict with anything Plato said, without having to have current historians changed anything they believe or know about our history, which I think is, uh, amazing.

[00:17:19] Jeremiah: So if it’s in this part of Northern Africa and you said it was inland, um, how does that.

go with the tail of like it being in the sea and then sinking.

[00:17:34] David: Yeah. Well it says, it says it sink into the sea and, you know, remember we’re dealing with a translated document and we’re dealing with language that has, you know, not none, no one speaks ancient Greek anymore. Um, so if you were trying to describe, you know, we all lived, we had that tsunami in, um, in Japan.

I don’t, I forget how long ago it was 10 years ago, whatever it was. But if you were trying to explain what happened to the nuclear power plan, um, and you’re gonna go through a couple translations. One of the things you could have said is that the sea swallowed it, which is a hundred percent accurate, but, and it did, but it didn’t mean it doesn’t mean it was on an island in the middle of the ocean has sunk into the.

So that language we, you know, historically, and I say, Atlantis has been beaten to death, that there is this odd historical narrative, um, that, that people will gravitate to, if they don’t like what you’re saying, and they’ll try and use it to, to, to, you know, kind of poo poo your view, um, or they will gravitate to, um, if they think it supports their view.

Uh, but if we just look at what the words mean, you know, to Playto this, this thing sits, it sits, uh, the rich hat stressor today is somewhere between three and 4,000 feet above sea level. So about half a mile, little more than half a mile. Um, it’s, it’s, uh, Playto tells us was on a, a gently sloping plane to the sea with mountains to the north of 300 stadia.

Okay. So a stadia is 607 feet, and that’s the Alexandrian measure, which is the measure that, that, um, uh, that Plato would’ve used, you know, to talk about. So. When you multiply 607 feet times 3000, you get 345 miles up three and 45 miles. Plato tells us it was on a gently sloping plane, 3000 stadia. The, the eye of this aha is on a gently sloping plane with mountains to the north, um, up 345 miles.

So that fits and the biggest tsunami that has been observed was like 1700 feet tall. Okay. Um, right now I, I mentioned if, if the, if the sea level would arise like 400 feet, then this thing would be at the sea level. It’s not gonna do that, but so a S a big tsunami coming up that gently sloping plane at 345 miles, there’s nothing to stop it.

Um, and we know tsunamis form that could very easily reach this area and much farther inland. Um, if, if the, uh, if the plates shifted and the plate, and there is a plate there, there’s a Ridge that could actually send this to the west coast of Africa. So it just makes it, it makes sense further it’s on the cover of the book.

Um, it’s in Jimmy’s videos and it’s just a, a picture that’s out there. One of the NASA pictures, you can clearly see it’s it’s, it is an image from the west looking east, and you can see, uh, the, the remnants of the water flowing away, flowing out. So the hu economy coming in, and then you can see it pulling down and all the drainage.

And it’s still visible today. It’s, it’s, it’s infinitely clear what it is when you look at the satellite view from that side. Yeah.

[00:20:23] Jeremiah: And he also said in his video about like their salt deposits

[00:20:28] David: yeah. Around that all salt is sodium sodium chloride, and all salt comes from the sea. Um, and there is, I mean, how does Morita make its money, uh, mining and play hotels?

This place was rich in mining and, and salt mining that that’s like their primary, uh, source of income. It, it it’s, I mean, it’s, cuz it’s mostly desert, you know, it’s a very difficult country. Um, but yeah, they make the money today, still salt mining and the only way. Uh, to have salt, there is if the ocean was over it and then a lot of water evaporated.

Right. Um, which is doesn’t mean it had to be, uh, it having to do with Atlantas, but it supports the, you know, we’re dealing with circumstances, it supports the circumstance that this thing was covered in water and, and the salt is proof of that. And there’s salt everywhere out there. Yeah,

[00:21:14] Jeremiah: definitely. And I saw, um, that there’s evidence of like water erosion around the area, even though it’s like a desert.

[00:21:22] David: Oh yeah. We found, in fact, I told you I’ve got a geologist that no one knows that. So this is the first time I’m mentioning this. And I don’t, I don’t want to like to come forward with stuff and tell us completely thought out, but we’ve found, um, what, and, and so, you know, we, David Hanson went there about a year ago.

He’s going back in October to verify this. We have pictures of this. We, we found what we, what looks like a, a stone platform kind of on the Northern and Eastern side of this thing. Very, very big, huge, uh, which we’re gonna examine. We found. Hundreds of canals, uh, and, and agricultural work. Um, the type of things you see in, uh, what they call it, step agriculture, uh, what you would see, you know, if, if you had a big agrarian, um, society, we, uh, we see that.

And then we see, uh, structures that look exactly like the BI road, um, about 10 miles to the north of this rich hat structure. People like the BIM road, you know, the, the, the people that don’t like the rich hat structure tend to like the Azos is the answer for this, which, which we can talk about. You know, we, we’re dealing with this city of Atlantas the continent of Atlantas and then this, this kingdom of Atlantas and I, and I think it’s pretty obvious that this was a seafaring culture.

When you look at how they, um, grew their food, and then you look at things like the BIM road and you see that same sign, even though that’s underwater. You know, you maybe use dealing with people that had the same, you know, we we’re gonna use this term technology in advanced and all that. Let’s talk about what that, that means they weren’t advanced from our standpoint.

Um, but they certainly were advanced from Platos. Uh, now they weren’t, they weren’t advanced when it came to the ability to kill each other, cuz we’re talking about a stone age culture. Right. So, so they, um, in fact, and we know they weren’t very good at war because while they did invade Libya in Egypt, in parts of Europe, uh, whatever was going on in Greece at 9,600 BC, which would be, uh, proto Greeks, you know, we can’t even call in Greeks.

Uh, uh, but they, they fought a war and, and Thelan lost the Greeks beat ’em back. So it, I think from advanced, what Plato says is they were really good at agriculture. And matter of fact, like you wouldn’t believe how good they were, which I think we found evidence to support on ground. Um, and then he really liked some of the ways they organized themselves.

Um, they had a pack each, each of the, um, The princes of, of the provinces, there were 10 provinces. They had a pack not to, not to fight with each other. Um, not to go to war with each other. If, if someone attacked one of ’em, they had a pack that said they would all, you know, come to their age. Just, just basic stuff.

That for us kind of, we, we feel like it’s common sense. But at this point in our history, it was, it was revolutionary in its concept. Oh

[00:24:04] Jeremiah: yeah, definitely. Cuz you have to look at it from Plato’s perspective, not our perspective cuz it’s a completely different

[00:24:12] David: time. no, that that’s exactly right. One of the things I lay out rules and the rules is we can’t assume, you know, that Plato was an idiot.

We can’t assume the Atlan were idiots. Um, and uh, we need to know what Plato thought he was writing, not 2000 years of people speculating on what they wanted him to have written. Uh, and when you do that and you strip all that away, cuz Plato’s our only source for this thing. He’s our only primary source.

Although I, I found two. Um, supporting sources for him, but, but he, but he’s our only real source. And then to get back to Aristotle real quick, some people, some people ask me, well, how come, you know, why didn’t Aristotle pick up on this? Or why did anybody, you know, kind of pick up on this or, or run with it after Playdoh and Aristotle didn’t buy it.

Aristotle did not think the story of Atlantis was true. Um, but, and, and Aristotle is famous for a lot of things, but he was a contemporary of this guy named Cranor, um, and both Aristotle and Cranor and other people were students of Playto. And when Playto died, uh, the person who was gonna take over the academy that the school that he created, he created the first university.

Um, it was either gonna be Aristotle. It was gonna be Cranor and Cranor. Beat him out. Sorano continued play those leg legacy Aristotle kind of pouted off, went off, had, you know, had, has his own ideas, which are brilliant. And he’s a brilliant man. He did brilliant things, but he stepped away from what they called the platonic school and he created his own.

Um, I’m not gonna be able to say it Aris to Italian, you know, way of, of, of looking at things now Cranor is interesting because he, he believed what Plato had wrote and there was controversy even then. Uh, so what he says he did, and I, this is what he says he did. I haven’t, I don’t have any proof of this, but I proof is what he said he did is he went to Egypt and he verified the story is what he says.

Um, so we do have immediately after Plato people looking at this, trying to sew it up, and then the person who took over the academy kind of vouchers for this particular dialogue, which is wildly, um, interesting. I think, I don’t remember what your question was, but I told you I was just

[00:26:10] Jeremiah: rambling. So it’s is okay.

Uh, so for like, we’re talking about Egypt or you just talked about Egypt, um, Did Atlantis have any contact with them or were they before that time or?

[00:26:24] David: Well, so it’s a good question. So what we do know is that Atlantis militarily conquered Egypt. That’s what, that’s what, that’s what the Egyptians told Plato.

They conquered Libya, Egypt and parts of Europe, which also gives us geographic clues as to where it has to be. It has to be somewhere geographically located to Libya, Egypt, and parts of Europe. Um, we also know that the Egyptians recorded the history of it. So there is, um, whatever you wanna call it.

There’s an association there that they were somehow involved. Um, and in Egypt has always been, you know, a very, um, prominent empire, whatever you wanna call it, country in the Mediterranean, which apparently went back. Tens of thousands of years, you know, we’ve just learned from this. Uh, so yes they have, they have the history recorder, although we can’t find any of it today.

So many people say, you go, here you go. There, you look at this, you look at that there’s proof of Atlanta there isn’t, it doesn’t exist. There’s only two things I’ve been able to find that verify or that corroborate Plato’s account. Um, the first is a historian that actually came before Plato named OUS.

And, uh, uh, Jimmy went over this on one of his videos. He got, he didn’t really get this one. Right. Um, but he, at least he at least made that connection. And OUS wrote this book called the histories and it was the first real attempt to write down. Um, what the Greeks knew about the world, everyone in the world, and then what the Greeks were doing.

And he kind of, you know, takes us up through, uh, the Persian invasions of four 90 and 4, 4 81, that kind of stuff. Um, and the first half of that, book’s more like a travel log. So he’s just saying, you know, you go, you walk 10 miles this way, and then you see this and you walk in, or 10 stadia or 10 days is what he usually says 10 days.

You see this and da, da, da, and, and he gives you, he says, you, you know, like you go to Egypt and then you head west through Libya and you go 10 days. Then he says, what you find are these people called Atlantians and they’re, they, they say that they’re, um, you know, the remnants of a, of a old society.

And they’re really weird. Um, and they’re, they go all the way to the base of the Atlas mountains, um, and the Atlantis that they live on top of salt piles. Uh, they, um, don’t dream. Um, they have names, but they refuse to write them down. Uh, they refuse to Chronicle their history, uh, which is weird. Um, especially for this time, uh, they’re vegetarians.

So, and this is in the desert, but they’re vegetarians, so they won’t eat meat. Uh, and they don’t dream. So, so they’re really goofy people, but he actually uses that word Atlantians and he tells us, and if you look at the Western Sahara and then you look to the north, the Atlas mountains, and by the way, the king of Atlantis was named Atlas.

So, so right in that area, we’ve got these Atlas mountains and then we have a different person, a different historian telling us that the people that called themselves Atlantians remnants of them was still around, you know, in 500 BC, uh, right. Where we would expect them to be, if, if, uh, you know, uh, this, this was the city, it got wiped out and now it’s many, many years later.

Um, so that’s hugely interesting. And then the other thing that corroborates, this is this thing called the peer re map, which, uh, you, you know, I know you’re into this, so you probably have you read Graham Hancock. oh yeah, definitely.

[00:29:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. And I’ve listened to, ’em a bunch. And, uh, I know about the map and there’s some other maps too.

I think Charles Hapgood had

[00:29:45] David: a map too. Yeah. Well, Hapgood started with this map. Um, and, and yeah, so in 1995 and Graham Hancock’s book fingerprints of the gods, uh, he kind of opens the book with this map. It’s a very famous map. It’s, it’s a real map. We know it’s, you know, historically, uh, real, it was created by, in the 15 hundreds, early 15 hundreds by, uh, an Ottoman navigator named Perry.

and what he does. He commissioned, he wanted, um, the cartographer or the map maker to go find all of the ancient maps they had and put ’em all together into one map, reconcile the whole thing, cuz you know, and this is we’re talking, this is like 1530 ish. Uh, so this map is produced and, and theoretically right, Columbus sealed the ocean blue in 1492.

Right? So we’re only, we’re only two generations away from the founding of the, uh, the discovery of the new world. On this Pree map, it shows and the interest has always been on the left hand side, which shows the new world, uh, north America and south America in, in seemingly more detail than, than could have been possible even within a hundred years of when the map was made.

And then on the bottom, it seems to show Antarctica without ice. It seems to show the continental Ridge. Um, the shelf, the continental shelf below Antarctica, if, if the oceans were lower and they would’ve been lower in an ice age. And, and we know even today, sometimes there’s more ice on the north pole.

Sometimes there’s more ice on, on the south pole and, and it’s fairly accurate. It’s disputed people. Don’t like, that’s what it says, but it, you can, you can not like it and have that be your argument, but it, it sure does look like that’s what it it’s showing. Um, no one’s ever bothered to look on the right hand side or when they look, they, they dismiss it.

It’s it’s cuz the right right hand side has Africa and it’s, it’s the damnedest thing. We’ve all been staring at this for 500 years. You go look at it when, when we’re done there. If, when you look at, uh, Africa on the right hand side of this map, there’s a elephant big elephant. And then inland there’s this kooky little city surrounded by a ring of water.

And it’s exactly where the R hat structure is on a modern map today. Yeah. What kind of coincidence is that? Well, kind of, it’s not, it’s IM it’s, it’s impossible. It’s impossible. You, you can’t, you can’t line up all the measurements that Plato gave us that fit this place. Uh, the 345 miles inland. No, no, no one ever brings that up because it’s inconvenient.

It can’t be the Bimini islands or it can’t be, um, uh, whatever Santorini. It can’t be any of those places because they’re not, there’s not enough land. Um, but there is enough in west Africa. And, and then on top of that, all these other things, you know, start to line up and, and on top of that, we have a, a city surrounded by a ring of water on a map that, that also shows the water level below, uh, the continental shelves and Antarctica.

I’m not making it up. And there it is, you know, again, and I tell you, you cannot like it. And you can, you can argue a different position, but that doesn’t make this invalid. It, you know, it it’s real. And on top of that, and then when you, then you add it all up and we mentioned, I mean, some of the things that, that Jimmy’s gone over, but just to, to, to rattle ’em off, you know, all the dimensions are supposed to be a 50 stadia long, uh, canal that was dug from the outer ring to the, to an inner Harbor in this thing.

Well, that’s 5.8 miles. Guess how far it is from the outer ring to the, the, you know, the inside 5.8 miles. So, so we have the radius of this thing. It said that there were mountains to the north and it opened to the south. Well, this thing has mountains to the north and it opens to the south, um, you know, and just, it just goes on and on and on and on like that.

Uh, and I, when I did in the book, I, I, I very meticulously go through all this. It matches what Plato said, 99.3, 2%. Dang. Yeah. 99.3, 2%. It doesn’t conflict with anything we know about history. We don’t have to push agriculture back. Matter of fact, agriculture around was around for 400 years before this place.

We had go Bagley Tepe, which everyone knows about, which is the exact same time period. And it shows advanced, you know, advanced hunting, hunter gathering civilization. So we know people could, could, could take this leap. Um, a, another Greek historian heist, independently mentions Atlantians in the exact same place.

We have maps built, uh, off of ancient maps that show this place with a city on it, surrounded by water in the middle of the desert. We know this AARA was green, you know, and it just goes on and it’s just, it just all fits. It’s just, it just fits. So, yeah, I mean, so I wrote a book

[00:34:19] Jeremiah: yeah. I think a lot of people have this misconception because of today, like, um, the Sahara’s like desert and.

Egypt is the old desert, but like they say, there’s researchers that say that, you know, back when they were like relevant, like in the beginning of time they, um, had, you know, lush greenery, there was a lot more water there. And especially around the pyramids, there’s even theories where water went all the way up to the pyramids and they were kind of like hydro-electric dams or some, something like that.

So mm-hmm, , it’s just, you gotta like, kind of. Take out what you’ve been taught and look at it for what it

[00:35:03] David: is . Yeah. And I’m familiar with that. I try and stay away from that kind of stuff. I try and because not, not that I don’t believe or, or, or, or not believe, but you know, like, um, the guy who’s got the competing theorist named Randall Carlson, he’s good guy.

Everyone likes him. I’ve listen, I’ve watched this stuff and listened to it. He’s done a lot of terrific, terrific research. Um, matter of fact, I think he’s built a good case that more was going on in this time period than we thought. He, he, he thinks it’s the Azo islands and he’s got a very complicated geological explanation for that, that I won’t, um, uh, go into.

Um, but I forgot my point was gonna be shoot. Uh, it escaped

[00:35:38] Jeremiah: me about the, uh, lost, it was more greenery and

[00:35:41] David: water and all that. It was. But, but, but yeah, but to have the greenery in this area for this time, period is not a leap. You can go to any historian or open any book anywhere, and it’s, it’s accepted fact.

So I think, and see, this is what I think, I think if we, oh, oh, my point was gonna be Randall will also say some goofy things. Like he believes in crystal energy and this and that. And I don’t know whether he’s right or wrong, but I try and stay away from that speculation. Cause I don’t wanna have to defend that.

It’s just like, well, the people ask me, well, what do you think caused the tsunami that, that would’ve destroyed the city. And I’m like, I, I don’t know. We can see it happen. The climate evidence. This younger dries thing. Have the visual evidence. Some people think it might be a common impact.

Um, it could be if, if the ice was really melting, the plate shift, you know, one shifts up and it creates, it creates the tsunami and all that. But, but I don’t know because no one knows and it’s probably not knowable. So I don’t want to have to Def I don’t wanna get into arguments when people say, well, it’s baloney because we know a comment didn’t impact Greenland at 9,600 BC.

Therefore this can’t Belan. So I’m like, well, whoa, I’m, you know, I don’t wanna associate, I don’t wanna mix associate, you know, these, these different things, not that. And I have my own beliefs on like where the pyramid power pyramids power plants. I actually don’t think so. I have a different theory on that.

I’m gonna put in, uh, my next book, but it’s just a theory, this stuff on Atlanta, isn’t a theory. Just data. Lining up all the data w and not speculating or taking in nonsense that, that, that is built upon the source material, just going to the source material and then looking and using the tools we have, cuz we live in a very modern world and we can, all of us can, you know, with Google earth, we can all look at the whole planet.

Incredible what we have at our fingertips today.

[00:37:24] Jeremiah: Yeah. And there’s a lot of, um, quacks, I guess I’ll call. ’em like a lot of, a lot of people like I’ve read, I forget where I read it, but it was in some book or something where they were looking for Atlantis and like the Indian ocean or uh, somewhere like far off from.

You know, was written with by Pluto. And it seems like people are just on a witch hunt to like, look wherever .

[00:37:53] David: Well, I have a theory about that. They, they have what they have something I don’t have, they have something called funding so someone is paying them for a month to go on a boat and, and float around the Indian ocean and scuba dive and go to beaches.

And you know, all these places, they look the Azo island, the, the Bimini islands, um, Santa Reini, you know, Greece, these are beautiful places. And so, yeah, if I, if I could get a TV, you know, TV channel or whatever, to, to, to spend a million bucks to send me around, put scuba gear on to, to point at rocks, into water and have stories, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

It’s got nothing to do with proven whether this is Atlantis or not, but, but it makes a TV show. .

[00:38:31] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. So I’m assuming you’re not in the camp of thinking that Atlantas was actually a mothership and it blasted off .

[00:38:40] David: I am not, I’m not. Look, I look, I, I watch, I’ve seen every episodes of ancient aliens twice, at least twice.

So I am in this camp. But I’m being, I’m trying to be very disciplined and rigid, um, when it comes to Atlantas, uh, because I think it is real and I don’t think we need that other layers of speculation on top of it. Cause I think it just, it, it confuses things now people like to dream and all that. But what I think what I, I mean, if you think about it, you ING thing I’ve said, and we know there are people in the area, we found the stone tools and stuff.

Um, if, if I were a caveman or, you know, whatever was going on in at 9,600 BC, and when I got tired of dragging my wife around by her hair and eating pork chops or whatever they did, and if I stumbled upon this giant lake with this beautiful island in the middle, in this wonderful climate where I could grow stuff and I didn’t have to kill animals, I, I could eat, you know, rice and bananas or, or whatever.

And it was easily defendable and stuff. Didn’t come up and eat me in the middle of the night. I think you have to explain why wouldn’t people have lived on this thing. Right? Why, why wouldn’t they? I mean, they they’re walking by it. Why wouldn’t they. Get in a boat and grow out to it. Um, and it’s a, it’s a beautiful place to live in, in some ways it, it enjoys some of the same benefits we have here in America, especially early on, right.

Cuz our, our two biggest, one of the reasons why we can defend ourselves is because we have the two biggest defensive buffers in, in the universe, the Atlantic ocean and the Pacific ocean. Right. Because it’s hard to get to us and this would’ve been the same thing. It’s, it’s, it’s many miles inland. It’s hard to get to.

Um, the other side of it is, uh, I think a thousand or 2000 miles, and then you hit the Chad and you hit the, this mountain range and then you’re over in Libya and Egypt. But you know, no, it’s tough to walk to it. It’s up a, a defensible river, you know? I mean, it’s just, it’s a great place. So it just makes complete sense that, that this and, oh, we also know the Dean, all the, we all know we’re all taught.

And again, this, this conforms, the current historical thinking that, that we all emerged. We all came out Africa, right? That that’s, that’s the, the theory. So if we came out of Africa and we know we have this beautiful. Gardeny place. Why wouldn’t we expect to find early civilizations that are good at agriculture in it?

It doesn’t make any sense to me. Why what’s, I don’t even understand how can you argue against it? You know? Um, the only thing I will say is it’s like, I, I always describe it, say Christmas, right? So, you know, when you were a kid and you had that big pile of Christmas presents and you stared at ’em for two weeks wanting to open them.

Right. That was the greatest time. Cuz you dreamed it could have been anything in there. Right. Then when you open ’em what is it? It socks. Right. And it’s, it’s, it’s a bag to wrap your school book in, you know, and whatever else. And it’s like, great, you’re happy. You know how to, you know, you know how to, to not show it, but it’s like, okay, now that I know what it is, it’s nowhere near as fun as dreaming about what it could have been.

And I think that’s part of why people don’t have a hard time seeing this for what it is. Oh yeah.

[00:41:34] Jeremiah: And this, this tails as old as time too, like you have. All these TV shows and movies like the cartoon movie Atlantis, I think it was actually, yeah. And then Stargate, Atlantis and all these things that like, you know, fantasize it and put images in people’s head of like, you know, this fantasized version of what it really

[00:41:59] David: was.

Yeah. And you go on the internet now and you search where is Atlantis and it says a Bahamas and it shows you a picture. you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, no, it’s like, it’s been, it’s been beaten to death. That’s just the only term I know how to use. Um, and people are skeptical now when they hear anything about it, because almost everyone that has said anything about it has either been an at an ad, uh, denier, an avid denier or, uh, an avid avid maker, upper of fantasy stuff.

Right. So, yeah. So

[00:42:25] Jeremiah: here we. . Yeah. And I’m not gonna lie. I do like to delve into the fantasy stuff too, but sure. I try to stay grounded, but it would be cool if there was like an ancient, advanced civilization with like lasers and UFOs type craft and we’re able to do whatever

[00:42:45] David: well at, at, at the, uh, at the danger of exposing my ness, I, I think Tia WinCo and some of the places you went in Peru bear the marks of a much more advanced and older civilization in their foundations, um, than, uh, than what we found in, in the Western Western Africa, Western Sahara.

Uh, but you know, they, you know, they’re all related. I, I, you know, we, we have the story of Atlantis. I’m not sure that Atlantis was the center of the world. I, I, I truly do think, you know, when you look at what was going on more in the Pacific and what was going on around Peru, especially, I think there’s, there’s a lot of interesting stuff that was going on there too.

If that makes sense. .

[00:43:25] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah, definitely. And, um, I don’t know if you’ve heard of a guy named Michael challenger. No, no. So I’ve followed him for a long time and I actually reached out to him to be on the podcast and he said, contact him back in October, cuz he’s opening some small town and south, South Africa.

And um, so he’s from South Africa and he did a lot of research in his area where he was and he found Adam’s calendar. And like it’s these stone circles in South Africa where, um, nothing was supposed to be like that back in the time that these were created, like people weren’t supposed to be sophisticated enough to create these structures or whatever they are.

Um, he has theories obviously, but um, yeah, it’s called Adam’s calendar and. Maybe that was like a precursor to the whole Atlanta’s thing. If that out Africa theory is correct, as far as

[00:44:28] David: the mainstream. Well, yeah, Southern Africa has, I mean, Southern Africa has many, many, many, many GE I don’t wanna say geological, what things made outta rock, you know, uh, that look really, really, really old, uh, and seemed to be suggesting, you know, uh, I I’m trying to not use the word advanced, but seemed to be, uh, suggesting something substantial was going on, you know, around the same time period or maybe even before, uh, yeah.

In South Africa, especially the, um, the east coast, uh, around the tip and then up by, uh, Madagascar, all of that. I know. And I’ve seen some of it, um, very interesting. Yeah. Rock formations and, and things that really tie into arche, astrology and, and all of that stuff. . Yeah. And I wonder

[00:45:15] Jeremiah: if at some point, um, maybe before our recorded history, if there wasn’t some type of global civilization where they were kind of all working together and had like all these trade routes and cuz it’s just seems weird to you get like Mack heads in south America that don’t look like they’re from there and all these other stories of like people that don’t look like the people of that area, but yet they are in contact with that.

And I don’t know something to me just doesn’t add up it’s like there’s more to the history

[00:45:54] David: than we know. I, I think so. I, I, I think, and, and one reason why I think if, if, if this place being Atlan. Mainstream, whatever that means. If we acknowledged, you know, what it seems like there’s overwhelming circumstantial evidence.

Now that that stuff was gone. The, the big thing, and I’ve been to, um, Peru, I even went, I went to the, the Dian gap and there’s, uh, pet Lipson there, way in there. I mean, it’s a brutal place, but I’ve seen those. I’ve seen the, the, I’ve been to a lot of the ruins in, um, uh, in Mexico. Uh, and I’ve, I’ve looked obviously millions of pictures and videos of other places in the world.

And I agree with you and I don’t know what it was, but they were doing something. I, I don’t know what, but they were, they were doing something. And there’s a lot of commonality, especially when you start to look at the arche astrology component of this, where a, a lot of the. You know, rules or, or I don’t know how to describe it, but, you know, they, they, they would align things to stars.

It seemed like what was going on in the sky was important to civilizations all around the world that have been lost to us. Um, now I have a theory on it, but again, I, I try not to say it in my theory, cause I don’t want people to criticize or attack a theory and then, and then, and then bring that over to Atlanta.

So I’m, I’m gonna put a lot of my theories in, in a second book. Um, but I think with Atlantas, I think we don’t find some things that we wanted. So here, here, I’ll speculate on one thing. Um, and I think Egypt supports this, I think, uh, Tua NACO, um, supports this, I think, uh, uh, what we found in Western Africa supports this, I think whatever was going on at this, this end of the last ice age, I think it was in, um, a civilization that knew they were on the, this planet and could get around it.

I’m I’m trying not to say the word advanced. Um, but I don’t think writing was that important to ’em. I, cause we don’t find a lot of writing until after this cataclysm, when you go to Egypt, then you look, you find all these, these huge megalithic base stones that a lot of their temples and structures are built on.

And, and the bigger this stone, the less chance there’s gonna be hieroglyphics or Petri glyphic are anything on it. It’s it’s the later stuff. Um, that, that seems to have all the writing. Now, my theory, so I’m gonna specul I’m get myself in trouble. My, my theory is that Atlantis was real. It got wiped out and there a lot of people survived and they were like, uhoh.

Um, you know, and maybe somehow they knew this is, was gonna happen again. So they’re like, you know what, we’re gonna have to start writing stuff down. and, and I think after Atlan is when a lot of the megalithic buildings started. Cause I think they said stuff like, you know, if, if the earth, if we’re have these kind of earthquakes, we need to build something that is so big, uh, that it survives these transitional periods that this planet goes through.

And I think that’s why you get things like the pyramids, which are ridiculously big. They’re too big. They, they only make sense if there’s something we don’t understand about ’em um, I don’t think I personally, yeah, they’re not tombs. No, they’re not tombs. They’re absolutely not tombs. I, I, I also, I personally don’t think they were power plants or water processing plants.

Um, and one of the questions I I’ve run to people that ask and I say, oh, You know, have we found pipes? I mean, are there billions of pipes coming outta these things? You know, so I don’t, I don’t what I think they were just to go and get myself in trouble. I think the idea was whatever happens on this planet is so frigging awful that almost everything gets destroyed.

So the thinking was build something that a later people will find and be interested in. And B all those chambers that look like sarcophagus chambers, but we’ve never found bodies in. I think that’s where they tried to put their records because, you know, if, if it’s, cuz if it’s heat or if it’s water or if it’s whatever, you know, you wanna try and preserve that knowledge through the transition and just, and cuz when you look at those tombs, the, uh, the stone, it’s like a foot thick and some of ’em are like three or four feet thick.

Why would you do that? Well, because that stands a good chance of surviving and, and they’re airtight. So if it went under water for a while and I, I think with the pyramids, when you look at that system, I think it’s a drainage system for when the water came up. And then the water went down cuz that’s really what it’s doing is getting the water out of the thing so that, you know, it would, it would, um, be something that people they didn’t get to.

They, they could Rege the records cuz now we have writing and then they could try and keep that, you know, keep the, the, the knowledge between getting wiped out. But I have no proof for any of that. That’s just what I think from all the reading and stuff I’ve done and it’s got nothing to do with Atlantis.

So if you don’t like that theory, it’s got nothing to do with my theory on Atlantis. My theory on Atlanta. No, no we’re going, yeah.

[00:50:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. This is just, we’re going down some rabbit holes, but it’s all good. It’s all good. Yeah. Um, yeah, I like talking about that stuff and they do say that there, they think there’s a hall of records under the Spinks or something.

So it’s definitely possible that they tried to put all the knowledge that they had and then they had the. Library of Alexandria that burnt

[00:50:44] David: down, or I was just gonna say destroyed here. Here’s what happened. It’s it’s the most tragic frigging thing. So the records did survive and Egypt is clearly a really old civilization.

And I think Graham Hancock and those guys got a lot of this. Right. Which is for some reason, the older, the, the construction, the more advanced it seems, um, I think the records survived to a degree and then they decided to put ’em all in the library of Alexandria and then they got, then they burned down so it was awful.

Yeah. Right. Um, and when you, when you study ancient Greek and I’ve taken, I I’ve taken the academic courses on it and I’ve, I’ve done a lot of readings. This idea of cataclysms was, was no Plato even mentions it. He mentions it in the laws, which was his last big work. And he says, look, everybody, you know, we know that periodically, this whole thing gets wiped out.

Anyone disagree with that and was like, nah, we know, you know, so it was part of the cultural knowledge that has been lost to us. Oh, just over the past couple thousand years.

[00:51:39] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s one thing that I noticed, uh, right away when I was in Peru, looking at the ancient structures and all is like, people definitely had a super fixation on the stars and the planets and the heavens, and they knew something was going on.

It’s almost like they knew that they could figure out what was going on on earth based on what was going on in the sky. And you see it in the, hear it in the Bible too. They talk about signs in the sky and all that stuff.

[00:52:11] David: So here is if you were trying so like, and this is the experiment that I do with people.

So let’s say that you and I, we know tomorrow it’s over. Right. And, and some people will survive, but you know, no computers is all wiped out. We, we wanna try and tell ’em so they can be ready the next time. How do we tell ’em we can’t, we can’t use writing cuz they won’t be able to read it. Um, so what do we do?

And, and the one thing we would have would be the. it’s, it’s the one thing we have. Um, and if you look there, there’s, when you go back and I found, I found this map, someone did, I I’ve gotta re-verify it. Cause I haven’t verified it, but you line up all of these, um, ancient disasters and they start to line up to the transitions between the Zodiacs.

So there, there is, there is a rhythm to, ’em also this thing called astrology, which, which is now kind of, kind of viewed as nonsense, right? It used to be astrology and astronomy with the same thing. The, the only astronomy, the, there is only one sentence that started the whole thing. And it’s what you just said.

It, it is so close to what you just said is that the stars impact the fate of man, meaning mankind. Right? So if we, if we, if we could get that message across and have a bunch of stuff in the ground, that’s trying to tell you when it was made, so you could try and you know, a clock, right. You know, how, what else would you use?

It there’s nothing else. That’s the only thing you could do. Um, and they’ve done it. Y yeah. Yeah. Cuz then you

[00:53:42] Jeremiah: have go Beckley Tek, like you talked about. Um, and everyone that I’ve heard says that it was intentionally buried. It, someone intentionally buried it. So it’s like they knew something.

[00:53:55] David: Yeah. I think that’s been disputed a little bit.

That was the initial thought, um, that it was intentionally buried. The truth is they don’t know, they’ve only excavated like 8% of it or something or, I mean, I mean around 10%, um, plus, or minus a couple percent, uh, so it could have been buried. It also could, you know, one of the things we see, you see this in, um, Tico, you see it in, um, the, the rich hat structure, you see it all over is when these delusions happen, whatever they are, they tend to mix water and land tends to mix, which makes mud.

So everything tends to get covered in mud and gets buried a little bit. Um, so that could have happened there. I, I know that they intentionally buried at theory. I, I, I don’t, I’ve, I’ve heard the argument and I’ve seen the evidence for me. It doesn’t, I don’t have anything to dispute it, but it also doesn’t make, doesn’t make sense.

One, one of my theories is, you know, we can’t subscribe idiocy to ancient people just because they’re ancient people, so they can’t be stupid. So how would people who kind of have some agriculture, but it’s still a dangerous world. Why would they spend six years toting dirt up a hill to bury this amazing place?

Maybe they did. I, but I mean, you know, I just don’t know.

[00:55:07] Jeremiah: Yeah. I don’t know either, but there’s also another thing I’ve been hearing about recently and I don’t know a lot about it, but I just wanted to bring it up is the whole thing of like mud floods and this, I forget the name of it starts with a T like tar tartar or something.

Um, I dunno, but supposedly it’s a. Whole lost civilization of time that happened between like, I don’t know, ancient Egypt, Greece, and, and like, you know, current time, like the dark ages or whatever. I, I don’t know that much about it, but I just heard, I just didn’t know if you heard about it or not. No.

[00:55:51] David: Although I’ve just recently started watching the Y files. I do watch the Y files on YouTube. Have you ever heard of that? W H Y I don’t know who this guy is. He’s, he’s doing very well. It’s very, very popular. He’s been doing it for years. Um, he had a video out that said, uh, the dark ages were faked. Like really it’s only the 17th century cuz they, when they fiddle with the calendar, um, I mean I’ve heard, you know, I’ve heard everything, uh, and some of it kind of makes sense.

Um, but you know, we talked earlier, Brian Forster or Forster, I, he spells his name a little funny. Um, but you know, he, he has said a lot, but what I like about him is he just walks around with his video camera. Yeah. And he just records everything, um, in Peru, in Mexico and all that. And it’s just like, when you just watch and I watch at least a half an hour, his stuff every day, just to, not even with the sound up, just to see everything.

Cause I can’t get all over the world and see everything. I don’t have the money. Um, and it’s just, it’s just amazing. It’s just amazing. What’s out there. Yeah. But I, but I don’t know. The only thing I do know is the rich a structure is Atlanta’s , that’s all I know.

[00:56:53] Jeremiah: the rest of it. I don’t know. So if, uh, people want to get ahold of you and your book or whatever, how can they go

[00:57:01] David: about doing that?

Yeah. Go to the publisher website. The publisher is frequency 99. So it’s frequency nine, And they’ve got, uh, I, I have a, a producer I guess. And I, I have, I have people and, and they, they, you know, and there’s emails up there and stuff and, uh, you can get links to the book links to me, uh, and, uh, that, yeah.

Frequency 90

[00:57:24] Jeremiah: And I’ll put it all in the, uh, show description as well, so they can get there fast and appreciate that. So, in closing, uh, any last things you wanted to say about Atlantis and your book?

[00:57:36] David: Um, you know, the only thing I would say is, uh, go into it with an open mind. Um, I, I do think the book is pretty good.

Um, it’s gotten decent reviews. Matter of fact, it was ahead of one of Graham Hancock’s new books for like a month when it first came out. So I did nothing but drink champagne and, and throw myself parties. It no longer is he has what they call staying power where I don’t. But, um, it’s, it’s a very approachable book and it just simply all the book does, it says, here’s what Plato said.

Let’s pull it apart. apply. come up with some rules. Like we, we gotta believe what he said, and we gotta put this in historical context. We gotta find corroborating sources and then we gotta be able to verify everything. Um, and it just makes it creates requirements. just goes through and walks through each one.

And by the end of the book, you’re like, Yeah. And the reviews I get on the book, um, they’re not all good. I’ve got, I’ve got two. The worst reviews I got are three star reviews, which are still really good reviews. And the both of them are just the, they’ve almost say the same thing, which is the guy who wrote, this is a pompous ass who probably can’t sign a check much less finished or sentence, but by God, by the time I got done with the book, I think, I believe he found it and he makes a good case.

So I mean, that, that’s like the best compliment I could have, which is I don’t like, I don’t like the guy. I don’t like what he wrote, but, but it’s compelling, you know, by the time I get to the end of it, uh, you know, when they say I was a skeptic when I started, but I’m done like, yeah. I mean, there it is.

And the other thing I do do in the book is I lay it all out. So you don’t have to listen to. To come to reach the same conclusion. Everything I say is, is, is either provide you in the book or you can go find it as an historical source or, or you can look at the pictures and the maps and Google earth, and you can do the measurements yourself and you can reach your own conclusion.

Um, and, uh, I I’ve, I have people that don’t agree, but they it’s not because they disagree with what I did in the book. They, they don’t read the book, they don’t like this answer. So they, they skip the proof and just don’t like it, you know? Um, and, uh, which is fine, that, that that’s that’s, I mean, this is a goofy topic, right?

So everyone, everyone has, they, they believe what they believe. Yeah, I know like

[00:59:41] Jeremiah: Randall Carlson, like you said, he thinks it’s, uh, somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. Yeah. Or like right off the coast of Africa. I forget

[00:59:50] David: exactly where, but he thinks it’s the a was I actually, I added after the book came out, I added an appendix.

Um, because I didn’t quite realize I, I, I was step with this book. I was stepping into a conversation that had been going on for quite some time. And there’s basically five criticisms that he lays out, which, and I put ’em all in the book and then I, I, I tackle each one. So by the end, I actually think his criticisms are actually strengths that, that support this place.

Number one. And then number two, I, I tell everyone. It, it doesn’t mean the, a wars weren’t part of the kingdom and that everything he said and found could still be true, but there’s no round city there with concentric islands of 345 miles inland. And that are it’s bigger than Libya and Africa. You know, it doesn’t mean all the requirements, um, of being the, the capital, but it, but he’s made a good case that some was going on there, this, that it supports this.

So they, they don’t really conflict, even though he, for some reason, decided to take an adversarial approach to this particular answer. Dunno why, whatever, just, you know, come see himself. Yeah. And there’s also

[01:00:50] Jeremiah: a lot of like sunken cities all around the world too. Cuz when the ice age was in full force, obviously the sea levels were lower and you find cities off of like India and Japan and probably south America and even America.

Yeah. Um, We haven’t taken the time or the resources to explore at all. Um, or they purposely hide it from

[01:01:16] David: us. Yeah. I, I, I think that, I think some of it is purposeful, although some of it is just arrogance on the part of, you know, I got into a big argument just, just recently with, um, a couple academic historians, nice people.

Um, and I basically said, look, you know, the professionalization of, of, of being a, um, uh, you know, someone who studies history as a profession, uh, is great in all, but, but what happens is over time, people vest in their views and then they fight change because the change might undo the thing that made them.

Right. Uh, so, you know, so, so we have these people that consider themselves the stewards of history, historians. Who are vested in it being the history they learned and have been talking about versus processing new things. That’s why I go vaguely Tepe. It’s it’s like the Rosetta stone for all of this. No one can deny it exists.

Everyone says it’s there. And then you ask ’em well, how, how does that fit? And they go, we don’t know, it’s, it’s anomaly.  Not an anomaly. you know, a thousand acre, massive prehistoric neolithic site. we gotta have, we need to have an answer for it. And they’ve actually found lots of other tepees apparently, um, that are out there, some dating, even older.

So, you know, I think, and you and I were talking just to wrap it up with, with total CISM, uh, you know, from, from my standpoint, I mean, personally, what I think is that this cycle has been going on way longer than we, we would be horrified, be like we were in a horror movie. If we understood every, you know, three to.

Uh, to 12,000 years, this planet something terrible happens. And then it takes thousands of years for people to come back. Um, but I think that’s been going on for, for very, very, very long time. The other thing just to close everyone says, well that. It can’t be because we know we find that people we’re living in caves, it’s like, yeah.

After one of these big thing after daily, if it happens to us and we survive, we’re gonna head for a cave too. That’s just where you start back. Right. It’s just, it’s, it’s it’s base. Um, but yeah, so, so yeah, I think, I think it’s going on for a very long time. Uh, and I think this planet is probably a nightmare in the long run. But I think it’s okay for us now.

I think, I think, you know, or, I mean, you look at all these cycles, there’s nothing coming up. I think in our lifetime, some people argue 2050 and stuff, but I mean, I, I don’t see it necessarily. Um, but who knows, you know, you can’t predict the future.

[01:03:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. There’s definitely something there. I totally believe that there’s been law civilizations.

I mean, you can have. Works from like Graham Hancock. Trying to think of some other ones. Michael Tellinger and, uh, Michael Cremo. Who does forbidden archeology and all that. There’s definitely something Robert, Robert

[01:04:03] David: Bal, um, whoever the guy, I forget the guy’s name. Who found, who, who said the Springs was probably water.

He’s very famous. I can’t I’m I’m I’m bad. Oh yeah. Robert Shaw, Robert Robert Shaw, the whole list. Pretty much. They all wind up on ancient aliens. They, they cycle through ancient aliens at some point. So, just look at that roster. No it’s and ancient aliens is just fun. There’s lots of people who’ve done really good work here.

Um, and I think the evidence is overwhelming at this point that, that, that our history is much older than we. oh, yeah, for

In Conclusion

[01:04:34] Jeremiah: sure. Yeah. Well, thank you for coming on and speaking with us about Atlantas and your book. And even when we got a little off track, it’s still a lot of valuable information.

[01:04:45] David: look, it’s fun.

I tell it’s people are as passionate about stuff like this as they are about politics. But, we used to be able to argue politics and have fun. Now you can’t, you can’t even talk about it. We can argue this stuff all day and it’s still fun and it’s passionate. It’s interest. It’s intellectually interesting.

Um, and just like your Christmas president. There’s a chance when you unwrap it, it’s gonna blow your mind. Just, and just change, you know, your entire worldview. Um, which I think, uh, I think would be good. Yeah. And I

[01:05:10] Jeremiah: Feel like it would be a disservice to mankind to not look into these things. Not, uh, question things.

I think if you just stick to one viewpoint, one philosophy, then you’re just, uh, preventing. Possibilities cause if something happened in the past and we need to know about it, uh. If we just shut it off, then we’re gonna be screwed.

[01:05:38] David: yeah. Look, there’s been 23 species of humans that they know about there. There was 22 up until may of this year.

They just found the 23rd. The idea that we’re the first ones, 2000, 3000 years ago to figure out. You know, the, the, what a wheel is and, uh, and that kind of stuff. Just doesn’t, it doesn’t make sense. How, I mean, you’re talking hundreds of thousands or millions of years of people just doing what? Sitting on a tree stump and what were they doing?

You know, I mean, it seems built into us to, to organize in advance. That just seems to be part of who we are and, and to suggest that all the others that came before weren’t that. And suddenly we are, it just make, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Um, and there’s so much evidence that, uh, is out there that it just, I think it’s overwhelming.

I think, I think is obvious. Oh, yeah, for sure.

[01:06:27] Jeremiah: All right. Well thank you for coming on. I enjoyed

[01:06:30] David: it. All right. Jamara yeah, no, look, pleasure talking to you. We’ll have to do it again.

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On the Trail of the Nephilim

On the Trail of the Nephilim

On the Trail of the Nephilim

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On the Trail of the Nephilim

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.


my fellow terrestrials. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We’re gonna have an amazing show here with the man, the myth, the legend LA Marli. We’re gonna talk about on the trail of the Nephem about his research into UFOs and alien abductions and a bunch of other stuff. So, hang around for a bit. But, first I wanna give a shout out to a friend, fellow podcaster.

You should check out her podcast. It’s called strange origins. Play a clip right here.

Hello, my friends. My name is Paige Wilson Hume and I have been interested in the MC cob from a very young age. Gothic tales, mysterious disappearances and strange events that you can’t quite explain. These are some great examples of what I dive into in my podcast.

Strange origins in strange origins. I try my best to answer your questions about history and even pose some new ones. Have you ever wondered what gave birth to the stories that we tell around the campfire? What happened in our history that caused spooky tales of creatures, such as, werewolves and ladies, and white to be passed down from generation to generation.

More importantly, why are we still so fascinated with the macab join me as I jump down the rabbit hole of a new subject each week and attempt to stitch together the history of all things strange and

spooky. If it sounds interesting to you, give it a listen before we get to the interview, just wanna say.

Don’t forget to rate and review. The show really helps out also, what if the wrong podcast is on, buy me a coffee, you can go on, buy me a coffee link will be in the description. If you want to donate to this show, you can donate. It would be highly appreciated. Also, you get a shout out on the following episode, all LA Mar’s links will be in the description as well.

So, if you enjoy what he talks to us about, you can find it pretty quickly and easily. He’s definitely gonna drop a lot of knowledge on us. So, without further ado, we’ll get to the interview here, and remember question everything. Welcome to the what if the wrong podcast I’m Jeremiah, your host joined today by co-host April.

And we’re talking to the man, the myth, the legend LA Marli and his works with on the trail of the neem, uh, prophecies and the cosmic chess match. A lot of information, a lot of stuff to, uh, talk about and his knowledge is vast. And, unlike a lot of other people, he actually goes and, uh, to these places and researches and puts the feet on the ground and really, uh, ties it all together.

So, we’ll introduce him now.


[00:03:28] Marzulli: Hello, LA. Great to be here guys. Thanks for having me on, appreciate it. Yes.

[00:03:32] Jeremiah: Thank you for coming on. Uh, we’re excited to do this. So, I wanted to ask what was your aha moment when you said I have to do this on the trail of the neem and what got you down that

[00:03:46] Marzulli: path? Did you, have you heard this

[00:03:49] Jeremiah: before?

I have, but my audience probably hasn’t. Okay.

[00:03:52] Marzulli: This is cause I’ll, I’ll tell you the story. I mean, the aha moment for me was, um, several years ago, about 10 years ago, maybe, maybe longer. I don’t know. So, I get a call from my battle, buddy. Russ Diar. and, you know, Russ passed away in December and I really miss him.

He was, we attended 90 conferences together and we were kind of cut from the same cloth. We, you know, had the whole rough UN tumble world of the sixties and you know, the whole deal. Right. I was a little older than Russ, but it was basically the same, you know, it’s fast times at Mont I hate to say it, but that’s exactly what it was right with spa.

And Iole, it’s like, you know, clueless. So, I’m getting ready to head that new Ohio, Newark, Ohio, and Russ called me and goes, Hey LA, do you know where you’re going? I’m going to Newark Ohio. Why Russ? And, he starts, you have to know him when he, when he has that little undercurrent of a laugh, when he is sort of chuckling to himself, you can barely hear it, but it’s there.

And he goes, no, no, no, no, no. Do you know where you’re going? I go, Russ, I’m going to Newark Ohio. And in that little laugh again, a little louder. Come on Ross. What’s going on? He goes, are you buying your computer? I go, yeah. And he goes, Google, uh, NEM giants, fallen angels in the Ohio valley. I go, what? And he says the title again by Fritz Zimerman.

I mean, what, you know, fallen angels in the Ohio valley, uh, you know, the Neel and Chronicles. I mean, what, you know, I thought I was done with all this. He goes, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They just, you need to look at this. So, I get the PDF on Amazon. I read it on the plane, cuz it’s a five hour flight basically. I’m like reading this thing on the plane, like, oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh, my mind’s blown Fritz Silverman. And um, I get to, Nerk see when they say it, I know where you guys are located, but in Ohio it’s Neha. That’s how they in and that that’s fun. I live in NEKA high and that that’s fine. But, you know it. Hm, anyways, Newark, Ohio, but you know, I haven’t people, I don’t have an accent.

Oh, yes you do. So, I get it. So, I’m going to near aha. And I’m there and I’m, I’m my, driver’s driving me from the, from the hotel to the venue to back again. So, he’s doing this, and on Saturday, uh, after lunch, he’s driving me back to the venue or dinner, whatever it was. And I go, let me ask you something. I’ve I’ve been reading about this great circle, Mel, in, in, right here in Newark, Ohio.

Um, do you know where that is? And he goes, oh yeah. You’ve, you’ve gone by it every day. I go, what he goes. Yeah. In fact, it’s coming up here in about a mile. So, I’m in the car, I’m in the back seat. He goes, there it is. And I look over and I get my first shot of the great circle now. And I go, well, look, I’ve got the conference heads tomorrow at noon.

I gotta go to lunch, and then I’ll be free. Instead of dropping me to the hotel. Can you drop me off here? Let’s say around one o’clock, and then from one to five, let me just spend, you know, three or four hours here and I’ll, I’ll call you if I get done early, he goes, okay, next day conference lunch drops me off.

There’s nobody in the parking lot at all. I’m the, he drops me off in the parking lot. Nobody there, this is like a God ordained moment. I’m walking up this asphalt path, which is about four feet wide to my left is this large mound of earth. I know it from Fritz’s book that this is the great circle mill and it’s huge.

I’m just kind of staring at this, like what? Get to the top of the path. I look to my right there’s the museum it’s closed. And so, what else is new? And I, I go to the left and I begin to walk. At the entrance of the great circle, Mel, and probably about 50 feet away from it. I just freeze. I just stop.

And I freeze and I’m hyperventilating, I’m doing this

and I, I can’t move. I’m not moving a muscle. I’m my eyes are darting around looking at this thing. And I realize I am looking at the rest of my life. I, I mean, it’s, it’s one of those moments in time that few people get in an entire lifetime, but I’m sitting there going, you are looking at the rest of your life, Mr.

Marzuk. This is what you will be doing for the rest of your life. And I just sat there like this, just like staring at it. And I I’m all, you know, every single cell, my, my whole body is just tingling and I’m, and I’m, I’m hyperventilating. I’m afraid to move. And I’m just sitting here looking at this thing for probably, I don’t know.

I don’t know how long I was there. I have no idea frozen. And then, I finally eased my way very slowly, not reverently, but very slowly and cautiously into the grid circle, Mel and I spent four hours there. Wow. And that was the beginning of on trail of ethylene. We have created, uh, seven films in the series.

I’m working on number eight now outta place artifacts. Hopefully you’ll have that done by the end of the summer. Um, all the film has been shot. I just gotta edit it. So, um, there is a hidden history. That’s been deliberately obfuscated from the peoples of the world. There’s no doubt about it. And you can see this.

There it is the mysterious mound builders, and you can see this, the elongated skull right behind me. And you can see the giant behind that. Um, it’s it’s mind boggling. It’s mind blowing. Now. Most

[00:09:47] April: people think that the mounds were. Indian burial grounds and, and things like that. Can you explain why you don’t believe it’s the ancient Indian burial


[00:10:03] Marzulli: Well, native Americans used them for secondary internments. They did. We know that they went in, and they buried their dead on the mounts, but native Americans did not know trigonometry. Let’s just start there. They did not know trigonometry. Now, if they did know trigonometry, why isn’t in the oral tradition of any tribe, if they knew about geometry, why isn’t in surely they would’ve guarded that they would’ve handed it down.

It would be in the oral tradition. Stop there. It’s not there. Right. So, when you go to the octagon mound, let’s just start there at the octagon mound. And when you’re in it, and I’ve been there three or four times, maybe, maybe more, I don’t know, you know, you lose track. I’ve been there a lot and, and I film there and through a drone over it.

So, you’re there in the octagon mound. It’s 50 acres. and it’s flat and you don’t know what you’re looking at. You know, you’re looking at something, but you don’t really know the only way you can see it is from the air. And then, when you’re in the air, you kind of go, oh my gosh, it’s an octagon, but then it gets better.

It’s in irregular octagon. Two of the sides are not equal. And octagon is eight sides with a specific angle. I forget what it is. And, it creates an octagon that’s geometry, but it ups the, it ups the ante. When you create two angles that are different. So, here’s the deal. I’m gonna show you what I mean. So, I’m gonna draw an octagon.

I’m gonna do this fairly, you know, free hand here. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Now there’s my hand drawn octagon. Not bad LA too

[00:11:46] Jeremiah: bad. Good.

[00:11:48] Marzulli: right. But, if I presented that to my teacher, she would go, well, how did you arrive at that? Well, I just drew it F got eight sides F no, it’s not what you do. You take a pro tractor and a ruler and you need the angle, the precise angle of that, of that thing.

And then, you need each side equal that’s for an equal octagon. But, this octagon okay. Is two of the sides are longer. Now it becomes like E off the charts and then you’re enclosing 50 acres. And then, if that, that wasn’t bad enough, right? How do you know what you’re doing? You don’t right. You don’t know what you’re doing, unless you’re in the air.

I mean, you know, you just don’t, how does it look to you? Tons O it looks pretty good to me. I think let’s keep going with the next slide. You don’t know what you’re looking at. You don’t know, unless you’re in the air. but it gets better, because the octagon, the great octagon, Mel, like many of the sites are built on an 18 and a half year lunar calendar, lunar cycle.

They know about, in fact in the octagon, I’m gonna show you where it is. It’s like right there where the big star is right there. Right there. There’s the star, right? There’s like a high place. It’s ceremonial. They don’t know what I know. Tell you exactly what it was used for. And that’s where the lunar standstill happens.

So, the moon is doing this 18 and a half year deal. And then, at the end of 18 and a half years, it stands directly over that spot and just stands there. Now let’s take my calculator in my computer. I’m gonna do some saffron for you people right now. yes, sir. Hold on. So, where’s my calculator. Where gonna it go?

They were just right there. .

[00:13:41] Jeremiah: So, sound like us in North Carolina.

[00:13:43] Marzulli: Yeah. Yes, sir. 18, 18.6. You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorist. how did he get elected? I mean, we all believed in him. It’s like, ah, don’t at me. See, I’m down a rabbit trail. I promise I wouldn’t do that. I’m sorry, please. I’m having way too much fun tonight.

So, 18 and a half years, right? Times 365 days. So, if it’s 365 days in our calendar, but let’s go 360. Cause that’s that’s what ancient calendar. All right, so we’ve got 6,696 days where the moon comes up, but wait, the moon rises and sets. Okay. So, we all three of us, April and, and Jeremiah in LA, we go to the, we go to the site and we go, yep.

We’re gonna make this thing at 18 and eight. We’re gonna, we’re gonna figure out what the moon’s doing. We don’t know what the moon’s doing. The moon is rising and it’s setting. So, it comes up and it comes down. But, guess what? We go back the next night, it comes up in a different place, different and goes down in a different place.

So, now we put some stakes down, we put a center stake. That’s where that’s our viewpoint. And then we put the first stake up and then the sec, the second stake. So every single night, 6,696 stakes times two, 13,392 stakes in the ground. But you don’t know, what’s an, we don’t know what’s an 18 and a half year Luna cycle.

So we put the stake in. Rising and setting. And we, you know, after about 30 days, we’ve got a bunch of stakes and we’re, you know, recording in on deer hide. How’s that for you trying to figure out, you know, making little points where the, where the stakes are. So after 30 days, a four day rainstorm comes in and we can’t see the moon now, what do we do?

Moreover, we don’t know whether we’ve jumped in, in year five, year, 15 year two. We don’t know where we are. And then how do we crunch the data? How do we sit there and go, you know, I’m thinking that we’ve seen this stake here before and you go, how can you possibly tell there are 13,392 stakes on the ground.

So God just, just that. Not yet. It’s just like, and the archeologists just go, well, they did it. So they must of known no, that’s a straw man argument. Thank you. I’ll get serious here. I’m kind of goofing on the whole thing, cuz it drives me nuts. The bottom line is that’s a straw man argument. to say that they did it.

You don’t know who. native Americans did not know about the 18 and a half year lunar cycle. Moreover we know from the book in Enoch, it was handed to mankind from a fallen angel by the name of Elle. So we can believe in the supernatural explanation or we can believe the modern day archeologists. And some of these guys are really great.

They do great work, but don’t, don’t tell me. That this happened because you don’t know how this arrived. You don’t even know who built the octagon mound. You call them the Hopewell Hoppo was a flipping farmer where the artifacts were found 150 years ago. And so you name this entire culture after the farmer, you don’t even know what these people or these entities called themselves.

You have no idea. And you insist that they use digging sticks and clamshell hose and other hose. You have no clue how they can pack of the soil, where it came from. It came from a mile away. They use dog sleds. Oh, really? Let me get this straight. The ground is hardened over there for four to five months out of the year.

You can’t dig in it. It’s frozen probably from November, December, January, February, definitely four months. More than likely five, depending on the winner. So everything’s frozen. So now you’ve got a limited building thing. These are a hundred gatherers, so who’s gonna pay, who’s gonna feed the guys. While they’re out there digging this sink, we’re gonna make an octagon mound.

Why? I don’t know team said we’re gonna make it not golly. We’re gonna do it. I mean, then you get to the circle mound, one of the largest circles earthworks, and it’s got an interior moat. Well, our team, I hired a surveyor. The surveyor went out, Todd wills and, and he he’s in the film mathematical mysteries of the mound builders.

There it is mysterious mound builders. I’m a trail of bene name. There’s seven of them, seven films. In my series, you can download them by going to streaming, do streaming that LA Marzo dot, or if you want the hard copies, you can go to the website, LA So you look at the, the circle, Mel.

it’s about 1,250 feet in diameter and that’s the one I walked into and just went, oh my gosh, what am I looking at? It’s got an interior Mo that in its hayday was flooded with water. So the torch light, no trees. There’s the circle Mount alter the, the, the, uh, the moat. It’s not a moat, but the mote right. Is reflecting the stars and the Torchlight.

I mean, this is like mind boggling ceremonial. It’s gotta be off the flip and charts. We hired Todd Willis. Todd tell me is the mote level. Yeah. Hey, we measured the mote. It’s pretty much dead level within six inches to a foot. Okay. Well, a foot’s like. That’s not very big. And it’s the, you know, that’s things like thousands of years old.

So he said easily, that could just be slough going in it’s between six it’s basically level for all practical purposes it’s level. So now I go, Todd, how did they do that in the ancient world? Well, they must have brought the water in somehow and used water as a leveling device.

I mean, you know, guys, there is a hidden history. That’s been deliberately obfuscated from the peoples of the world. And then you go to, so say wa on

[00:19:46] Jeremiah: we’re going there. There it is. Next, next week. We’re going there.

[00:19:51] Marzulli: are you going next week? Yes.

[00:19:53] Jeremiah: Yeah. We fly to Peru on Tuesday next week with who?

[00:19:56] Marzulli: Just yourselves?

[00:19:57] Jeremiah: Just us and her daughter. Yes. Where,

[00:19:59] April: where are you going? We are going. We’re going to practice and then we’re gonna be seeing the NASCA lines. Of course. And we’ll be going to Cusco and Lima and Machu Pichu. And I, I always say it wrong. All UN Tombo and yeah. Okay. You, I wanna be able to get into the museum with the, the skulls, but I believe it’s closed

[00:20:22] Marzulli: right now.

Yeah, the, the, uh, senior Juan museum has been closed. Just go to the eco museum ICA and you’ll get to see B Chango skull. Okay. Hold on. So let me get to where the heck is. Socks say wa she’s

[00:20:40] Jeremiah: right next to me. No, just kidding.

[00:20:46] April: I thought that was crazy. Mama

[00:20:51] Marzulli: well, it’s in Tobo like he,

[00:20:54] Jeremiah: yeah, we’re going there too. Mm-hmm , we’ll go everywhere. It’s worth.

[00:20:57] Marzulli: It’s worth waiting for so. lake titty,

[00:21:00] April: Coca

[00:21:02] Marzulli: oh, titty Coka. That we’re

[00:21:03] April: hoping to see something above lake titty, Coka come, you know, maybe something come outta the water.

[00:21:10] Jeremiah: We don’t know . Yeah, but even there, you can tell the stones on the bottom are like, not from the ink of people.

Oh. Or the old oh yeah. And then as it goes up, you see the craftmanship go down.

[00:21:24] Marzulli: Yeah. It’s hysterical. I don’t know why I’m having trouble finding this. This is ridiculous. Well, there there’s the Chongo skull. Yes. And, and we, in, in episode six, the DNA, we’re the only team. Well, not the only team other people have copied it.

We show where the Farman Magnum is. Our, our team was able to, to mess with that. Hold on. I gotta, I really want to find this. I don’t know why I’m having trouble finding it.

[00:21:56] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s all right.

[00:21:58] Marzulli: Gotta be like right here. Yeah, here it is all. So when, when we’re at, you know, when, when you’re, when you’re there and, and you go to, so say wa mom, and you look at this, look at the people, look at the size of the stones.

And then when you’re there and you touch those stones, my friend, you are touching the fingerprints of the supernatural.

[00:22:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. Even look at the like way it shaped and all.

[00:22:30] Marzulli: And, and if you’re with an Inca guide, you’re you’re with a tour guide. Oh, the in ankle were master stone builders. Excuse me. You’re lying through your teeth.

The Inca had nothing to do with this and you’ll see it. You’ll see the ink ankle lop directly above it. And it’s hysterical because it has nothing to do with the stink in Inca. And I’ll show you what the Inca slot looks like. Hopefully let’s

[00:22:55] Jeremiah: back a little bit. Yeah. Cuz how are they able to like have the stones going

[00:23:01] Marzulli: 80,000, a hundred thousand times?

I mean, you know, quit lying, just quit master

[00:23:07] April: builders with builders who cannot even do that today.

[00:23:11] Marzulli: No. See the ink of slop next to the stones up on top. Yeah. That’s the ink of lop head size boulders, you know, mortar together. Quit lying. Yeah. I mean just quit, quit sitting there telling us that the Inca did this with copper chisels when we’ve already shown this with a piece of ANOC side stone.

So here’s my copper chisel. Let’s say right, this is on film. We’ve got it on film and we take the chopper chisel and we put it on the Endocyte and we go tin. We hit it one time. Chisel is. Stone, not even a indentation, quit lying, quit lying, quit, quit telling us that the Inca did this because it fits your goofy narrative.

You don’t know who built it. And I, I take great umbrage in the fact that you sit there and repeat the same BS to everybody trying to tell us that the Inca did this and the Inca had nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. Zippo. This is fallen angel technology, NEHI architecture, shame on you, people for deliberately obfuscating the truth, but that’s what you guys do.

And you do it over and over and over again.

[00:24:25] April: Mm-hmm . Now, can you tell our viewers who the Neal lium actually were?

[00:24:30] Marzulli: The Neal li are the progeny of phone angels and the women of earth cohabiting and creating this hybrid being. unless a person understands Genesis three 15, they don’t understand the rest of the biblical narrative because Jesus is there in the garden.

And he’s looking at the dragon. He’s looking at Adam and Eve and he utters this to the dragon. Your seed, your offspring will be at war at ity with the seed of the woman, the one coming from the woman, the proto andum. He will crush your head. Yo bruises heal. , it’s not tied in the churches for the most part.

People have no idea what it means it sets, and this is the deal. Well, you know, EPMS only mentioned in a couple of verses throughout the Bible. Why do you take such great amount of time and dedicated your entire life to it? Because Genesis three 15, if we knew that, then it unlocks the rest of the scripture and we see, oh wait, tower of babble.

Oh wait, Abraham. And the five Kings, oh, wait again, Sodom and Gamora. And then there’s the conquest of Canan. I mean, it’s just all throughout their seed, Daniel, their Sieble mingle with the seed of men, but they will not Cleve to them. Who is their seed? Who are they? Their seed will mingle. It’s not the seed of men.

Cause their seed will mingle with the seed of men. Genesis three 15 is the key to the entire Bible to the entire. It tells you that the antichrist. Will be the seed of the dragon. Literally he imitates the seed that that became the, became the Messiah. Because no matter how you say it, and you never hear this, it’s got jerked because people go, can’t talk about thought.

That’s just, oh my God, Jesus is a hybrid. He’s a hybrid. He’s fully God and fully man. Mary is somehow, somehow she gets genetic information. Somehow the holy spirit comes in overshadows her and that genetic information is passed into her ovum to her seed. And that becomes the Messiah. How does that work? I have no idea, but that’s what happened.

Cause he’s fully God and fully man. He is in essence, a hybrid a hub bread because he’s God and man that never happened before.

[00:27:05] April: I’ve never heard him called a hybrid. I’ve heard him called an extraterrestrial old

[00:27:10] Marzulli: well,

[00:27:10] April: he, no, well, cause he’s not of this,

[00:27:12] Marzulli: but he is well he’s of this earth because he was born in the stable, but he’s a hybrid entity because he’s not, he’s not he’s fully, man.

I get that. He’s fully gone. I get that. But the genetics, you know, part of it comes from, you know, the eternal and I have no idea how that works, but that’s, that’s who he is. And he is the God man. You sure Jesus Genesis three 15 is, is, is the key that unlocks the scripture and the antichrist will be the seat of the dragon.

That’s who he’ll be. He will be the offspring of the dragon himself. And that’s where all that power comes from. He may already be

[00:27:54] Jeremiah: here. So you believe that the fallen angels spread with the women of earth and um, created the giants or the Netline and then they’re responsible for all these mega structures around the world is what you’re saying, right?


[00:28:13] Marzulli: When, when you guys go to Peru next week and you sit there, if the Barus museum is open Inca, the ICA, the Inca, museum’s about an hour away, you should call to make sure it’s open when you go. Okay. Definitely. Cause this is their winner. So things are kind of shut down up there. Um, you’ll also see elongated skulls as a museum near the qu concha up at so a Mont, um, you can catch them there.

Um, but the eco museum has a great display. You’ll see the Chango skull, which is in our film. And you should watch the DNA film before you go. I would, you know, watch episode six and watch episode, um, uh, what is it? Um, hold. Episode six of, of my series, the DNA series. You need to watch that. And then episode six of the watcher series, the secret cosmic war, watch those.

I, I, you know, highly recommend it Watchers six and on trail six because, okay, you’ll get the whole DNA deal from number six. You can also watch my on trail number seven because we talk about some of these other sites. If you can, when you’re in Lima, three hours, north of that is corral. It’s the oldest city in the Americas.

Once again, 18, a half year lunar cycle Plaza, dead level. Oh, they have step pyramids. There there’s no preexisting culture. They’re kind of going, let’s make a pyramid, Bob, what? The heck’s a pyramid. I don’t know, but we’re gonna make one I mean, it just all just goes poof. There it is. And we see it over and over and over.

And when you’re in, when you’re in Orton Tobo you will see when you, when you go up to the, to the temple of the song, they have no idea where called something very cataclysmic happened. That’s why you need to watch this stuff. Cause we’ve already, you know, it’ll, it’s a great, great primer to get you to, you know, it’s a great springboard.

So when you’re there, you can discover things yourself, but you know, so say, well, mom, you sit there and look at it and go give me a break. Give me a break. There’s no way human look. Could you do it today with cranes and lasers and diamond saws, maybe 80,000 tons. Paul, we gone, let me just show you this. I didn’t let me, you know, since we’re here and you guys look at this, this is in Cusco.

This is the corner. Everybody goes, look, look at the curve. No two stones are alike, right? To make that. Are you kidding me? And to make it fit perfectly. No, no. Now we top, you gotta take it down all. Where’s the crane. Yeah. Stone number 82. We gotta take that

seriously. I mean, just show me if I were a billionaire, you know what I would do? I would create the LA Mazuli Al challenge. Oh yeah. and I would go get all the copper chisels and the best stone masons on the planet and go guys, we’re you don’t even have to quarry the stones. We’ll do that for you. How’s that sound?

And here they are just make a 20 foot wall for us that, that simulates no cranes. Okay. No beast of burden. And you guys can make your own pulleys or ropes, or if you gotta do, but just, just do 20 feet. Just, just show me how you make these perfectly circles with no mortar and how they stand up. Thousands of thousands of years, I believe in Tim Albarino believes thats Saman probably is pre flood, probably is pre flood.

Mm-hmm just saying

[00:32:15] Jeremiah: there’s a lot of sites around the world that I believe are pre flood as well.

[00:32:21] April: Now, why do you think personally, I I’ve read the cosmic, uh, chest match. Why do you think personally, do you, do you think that they came down, gave the information to men to be like God, to be above God, to, um, to people like us today to dissuade us from believing in God.

I know with the mounds and things like that, uh, All the giant skeletons have disappeared. Smithsonians hidden them, got rid of them, ruined them. Um, there’s people all the way around the world. Um, destroying ancient technology and things like that. And, and things of the Bible. So personally, what do you think is going on?


[00:33:10] Marzulli: I think that in all of these sites, they want to be worshiped. They want to be worshiped because they act like gods. They come down, they do this, they might heal people, fallen angels can do that. There’s power there. They can heal, they have knowledge. Fallen Ones have this, they have that. Can manipulate space, time matter and energy.

So they’re worshiped as gods and that’s what they want the Lord right. Allows it for a period of time. And then he acts. And that’s why we hear this over and over and over again in all these megalithic sites all over the world. Well, they just, I guess they just died out and they assimilated into the general population.

That’s, you know, conjecture on your part. You have no idea what happened to these people. What if they were completely destroyed Sodo Andora as a perfect example. None OFA mm-hmm is a perfect example. We don’t know, but we hear well, T two WCAN right in Mexico, we call ’em a T two WCAN, but we have no idea what happened to them or where they got the information to build that pyramid.

Well, they, they have to, and it’s always circular reasoning and it’s always a strong man argument. Well, they did it. So they had to have the information from somewhere. Well, that’s, you know, mm-hmm , you know, pitch can fly too. Right. So now what, you know, you guys just make up stuff, you just make it up, right.

You just make it up. It drive. It literally drives me nuts. And I’ve argued with archeologists. Well, what about this 28? You know, pound accent. That’s ceremonial LA. How do you know it’s ceremonial? Because, we don’t know what else it could possibly be used for. What if a nine footer is wielding it?

Well, there’s no such thing as nine footers, but what if there are that’s utilitarian for the nine footer? So it’s not ceremonial. What about those three foot Lance that we call the Neelum, Lance that weighs 28 pounds. You know, that’s made of bronze that found in Michigan native Americans did not know how to make bronze.

They didn’t. Right. So what’s it doing there? And chief Joseph comes on the record talking about the neem Lance and saying, this is why you guys need to buy this book. It’s all in here, right? I’m on, I’m on a trail. He’s on the trail.

[00:35:31] April: Oh, we have it. Yes. I have both books. I believe it’s the

[00:35:34] Marzulli: same. Yeah. I’m gonna show you in a second.

Where’s some information in this. I mean, I, it blows my mind. It really does. Like, yep. I’ve got both. There’s actually, there’s actually three books in here. Three

[00:35:46] April: books. Yeah. I didn’t, I must not have, here you

[00:35:47] Marzulli: go. Here’s the Neum Lance right there. And you put a nine footer on that thing. It’ll, it’ll go right through three people.

And that’s what chief Joseph said. Yeah. That, that originally, um, this Lance there’s, there’s a shot. What? It looks like mm-hmm and when we, when we tested it right, the first lab, oh, it’s just the, the, the, the, the person we were with said, oh, we’ll be able to tell you where the copper’s from. Maybe the age of it, blah, blah, blah.

So a month and a half later, two months later, I’m there with Bob Sheey. Bob is the guy that, that foul the Lance, eh, well, you know, not so fast now they got a PR person with the, with our, our point of contact and she can’t say anything to us. So she clears it with the PR person. We can’t film anything. What are you guys so afraid of?

well, when you think it’s just, oh, it’s just, you know, you could build this in today.

[00:36:44] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then you hear stories about, um, like David and Goliath and king ag and all those, the 28.

[00:36:51] Marzulli: And, but here’s the deal. So Christian Widener had a lab and we caught a piece of a Lance off and we gave him the piece of a Lance and he went over that thing and tested it.

And he found isotopes in that Lance, which are only from Turkey and the middle east and the tin comes from England. Hello.

[00:37:16] Jeremiah: But it’s

[00:37:16] Marzulli: in America. It’s my wheelhouse it’s ne well,

[00:37:19] April: then they say that, oh, it was the Landbridge. They came over from the Landbridge and ,

[00:37:25] Marzulli: I mean, they’re look, it’s, there’s a steel a that protopia talked about in Northern Africa and, and Mondo Gonzalez was the first person to tell me about this.

We are, they. Who fled from the face of Joshua, the robber, the son of none. We are, they who fled from the face, the IANS, the Venetians were here 4,000 year old site, America Stonehenge, mind, boggling mind boggling site in New Hampshire showing the connectivity. I mean, I’m not making this stuff up. That’s why we’re on the trail.

You know, that’s why, and number eight will be out of place artifacts. Cause I I’ve already filmed it and it’s time to let’s release the film. Let’s get it edited. You know, we’re working on every UFO film, that’ll be number three and the ongoing UFO series. So I mean, we’re, you know, we’re, we’re constantly, you know, the Lord has blessed me, blessed us and I’m sitting in the studio, I’m looking around and.

this place is firing in all eight cylinders tomorrow morning. I’ll meet with, uh, bill, not his real name as a follow up. Bill’s the guy that we took the implant out. Mm-hmm in, in Watchers, uh, seven and Watchers eight. So I’m following. Yeah. I

[00:38:47] Jeremiah: wanted to talk with you about the, um, whole abduction thing, cuz I know that’s a lot of your work

[00:38:53] Marzulli: too.

He’s coming up to the studio after I take him to breakfast. and we’re gonna do a follow up. Oh yeah.

[00:39:04] April: Oh, so, so back in the Bible times, you know, um, there was something interesting. I am, I’m a spirit filled Christian and. I’ve I’ve read a law of the Bible. I was always told that the Aroy and all that you know, was not true.

Not to believe it, you’re messing with bad spirits if you’re reading this stuff. But one thing, you know, churches believe pretrip or, uh, mid trip or, or tribulation, one thing that in your book, you said it was gonna be like the days of Noah. Well, we always thought, okay, well, it must be pretrip because in the days that, you know, Noah was taken out.

Right. But something that you had made a point of, and it really I’ve always believed that aliens were fallen angels, but I never knew where I got that belief. I just kind of believed it and people thought I was kind of crazy. Oh, sorry. but you, you, you made in your books that. You know, the fallen angels, they are pretending to be God in the days of Noah.

That means that they’re literally, these angels have come back and they’re doing the same thing that they’ve done back in the Bible times. Um, genetically, um, in these abductions, messing with our genetics and, and still doing, they might not actually have in sexual contact. They may be, but it’s, it’s like the days of Noah.

Once again, I completely con and, and that’s what they’re doing.

[00:40:46] Marzulli: And, and this is why, unless, and look, unless you understand Genesis three 15 and three chapters later, you get the days of Noah. Then, then when Jesus says we like the days of Noah and what does that mean? And that’s why it’s not taught because most pastors have no clue and they don’t teach it.

Well, that’s impossible. Angels can’t have sex. It says, well, be like the angels neither given in marriage. Yeah. But it doesn’t say that you can’t have sex. they saw the woman of earth that they were beautiful. They took wives, plural. Went into them in the biblical sense and they Sid the giants. Fallen angels did it.

Then they did it afterwards. And that’s what this book, counter move is all about. However, Neel and returned after the flood. And they’re doing it again in modernity, their seed will mingle with the seed of men, seal up these words, Daniel until the time of the men until the time of the end, men and women will run two.

And for over the face of the earth, knowledge will increase, but you go your way, you go your way, but seal up the book until the time of the end, their seed will mingle with the seed of men. They will not Cleve to them. We’re here. The, the essence of my work guys, and it’s like what happened in modernity?

What happened in antiquity is being repeated in modernity. Happened in antiquity is being repeated in modernity. In the distant past is happening again as I speak, right? And now the whole UFO thing. Real versioning and not going away. So we’re here. I mean, we’re, we’re in it up to our eyeballs,

[00:42:17] Jeremiah: right?

Yeah. I’ve been researching into UFO, abductions and abductions and reading a lot of works from like, you know, Dr. David Jacobs and other people. I can’t think off the top of my head, but, uh, the one thing that sticks out that really like bugs me is the whole like hybridization thing and the whole, like, uh, they’re very focused on reproductive type of stuff.

And a lot of women claim to see like these sickly babies and, yeah. Um, do you think that they’re like trying to create life so to speak or like do what God

[00:42:59] Marzulli: does or no, but they’re just making hybrids just they’re making modern day. Nephem. it’s exactly like the days of Noah except their seed is mingling with the seed of men.

There’s no, not a lot of procreation they’re taking over from the woman, sperm from the men. They’re taking the blood from the cows. They’re, they’re doing like the they’ll take the fetus, um, and the, and the third month or the second month, but in the first trimester and the woman thinks she’s just had a miscarriage.

Well, she hasn’t. And I, we, we have one woman that came on the record. It’s it is this, or one of the most intense, um, the most intense, uh, interviews I’ve ever done. Um, she was, I pregnant in three times and they, they took three of the children. 20 years later. She’s with her second husband, all that stopped born again, Christian, and she wakes up one night, the husband switched off.

He doesn’t wake up and she looks over, there are three men standing in her room. She knows instantly these are my children. and they’re looking at her bigger eyes with absolute hate, absolute hate it’s visceral. So look, I might make this stuff up. Um, you know, it’s my wheelhouse, I’ve been doing it forever, you know, in some ways it’s like, golly Lord, you know, but it’s so dark.

But our mission statement is to expose the deception of the prince of the power of the air and to Herald the return of the king. Jesus. So, you know, we’ve talked about the works of the enemy, but this is why he’s coming back soon has to, you can’t fix this anymore. And now the whole UFO thing is about to be revealed.

And as a saying, I coined a number of years ago, we go up, they come down, we go up, they show up, we go up, they come down and that’s, that may be exactly what we see. Conjecture, but that’s one of my right Yogi Barris sayings, you know, it’s just like, God gives ’em to me. And we go up. I remember when I said it to Gary streaming, he goes, you have to copyright that LA that’s incredible.

bill Salis heard it the other day. And he went, oh my gosh, LA that’s. That’s amazing. I’m just trying I’m not smart guys. You know, it’s not me. It’s right there. You know, say this poof. Wow. That’s really good Lord. Thanks a lot. look the, I remember when I was writing politics, prophecy with supernatural report, he gave me this, this saying the current political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases millennia ago.

That’s a mouthful. When he gave me that I just went, that’s profound. That sums up mm-hmm our entire history in one sentence. That’s unbelievable. Say it again. The present political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases millennia ago, let’s walk through it.

So the Jews are in Israel. They believe in supernatural events that happened to who Moses Moche Moses, mu Moses that’s color their body politic. Now we can tap dance around that all day long and say, well, it really doesn’t color their body political. I mean, there’s a lot of secular Jews, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Excuse me. Mm-hmm excuse me. It colors the body politic all day long. Let’s go to Iran. They believe in a different set of supernatural events, allegedly Mohamed receiving the Quran, right? That’s colored the body PO well, not really. Oh yes. It has look at the MOS. It’s a theocracy over there. They believe in, you know, that, that the America’s the great Satan and the Jews are the little Satan.

We have to kill all the Jews for the Yeman money to come back has so supernatural events that happened thousands of years ago have in fact, colored the body politic in this country. Unlike Barack Obama, insisting that America is no longer a Christian nation. I’m glad you think so, you know, so, you know, whatever, I won’t go there, but, but the bottom line is, did you dare?

Christian worldview has colored the body politic all day long supernatural events, right. Are responsible for the body politic in Iran, in Israel, in, in America. I mean, wake up the present political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases, millennia go. And I didn’t write that.

He did that. That is one of the most profound statements I’ve ever heard. and he gave it to me go figure. Right. See, I’m not, you know, I’m like, well, I could say, well, you know, I’m really brilliant. That was just a, a genius statement. I had nothing to do with it. The holy spirit said, Hey, look at this point.

And I’m like going, oh my gosh. And, and typing as fast , you know, I’m not that smart guys. I’m not, but he is. And so he chooses, you know, this broken vessel, you know, to give that, give that statement. That is, that is one of the most profound statements I have ever heard in my life. And again, I’m not, I’m not taking any credit for that at all.

That’s from

[00:48:44] April: me. Yeah. I’ve, I’ve noticed in your books. You’re like, I am not a prophet. ,

[00:48:50] Marzulli: I’m not, you know, some people, I just love it in the body of Christ. It’s like, you know, prophet. It’s like good for you. Call yourself, call yourself whatever you wanna call yourself. I’m just as sinner, save by grace.

You know, no titles. I just,

when we get raptured and taken out, I’m on my white horse. I’m part of the white horse police force. I can’t wait for that. Me

[00:49:19] April: too.

[00:49:20] Marzulli: I already got one foot over there. You know, I do. OK. Know, maybe we’re going up soon cuz you can’t fix this anymore. You just can. I mean, the left is so rabid. We have to kill all the babies.

Have to kill them. Somehow a woman’s right. It’s like, really? That’s what you’re defending here. You know, maybe you should think about that before you have sex. I mean, we’re living in a world where you don’t have to ever get pregnant. I mean, you can take all sorts of stuff and, and never have to worry about it.

So why are you discussing this crap? You know, the onus is on both of you, you know, before you get together and do this. If you get pregnant now you got a third person involved here. So maybe you do, maybe you do a preemptive strike, you know, maybe you, well,

[00:50:04] April: now we’re now we’re women. Again, I shouldn’t get on this subject, but now we’re women again, when it comes to abortion.

Oh, I know. I love it before we were just, we were just menstruating with our menstruating person. Yeah. But

[00:50:15] Marzulli: you know, the new Kani up there in the Supreme court, babe, I’m not, I’m not a biologist. I’m, I’m not a biologist really. And you’re in the Supreme court and, and I’m gonna entrust my, you know, drawers, prudence to you.

Are you outta your mind? You can’t tell us what a woman is. You know, I’ve been reading, I’ve just read this book, um, about endometriosis and you know, I I’m, I’m, I’m a father of two kids. I’ve been married 37 years. I mean, I, I know that there’s a difference. No idea how much of a difference there really is.

It’s like when you get into a woman, Reproductive organs and the fallopian tubes and the womb and how all this works and the hormonal activity. And, and I mean, it’s just like, and, and the whole womb in itself, it’s like, excuse me, you know, you can lock body parts off and do all this stuff. You will never create a womb in a man.

It ain’t gonna happen. You know, sorry, men don’t get pregnant. Women do. And it’s just like, when I, after I read this, I mean, it was almost like too much information. It was just like, I had no idea the complexity of a woman’s body. And I remember when I married my wife, 37 years ago, I’m going, what are you doing?

I’m journaling. What are you journaling? I’m keeping a track of my monthly flow.

Oh book like 12 years old till she stopped her monthly flow. It’s like, I think we have it enshrined and just,

it’s like, it’s like, it’s a completely different universe than I’m in. Cause I don’t have a monthly flow. Men don’t have monthly flows last time I checked. So I’m not journaling. It’s like, I’m feeling my, I think I’m two or three days away. No, we don’t do that. Well, you know, men have hormonal cycles too.

Yeah. But we don’t, we don’t bleed like women do so, you know, it’s like, let’s stop pretending somebody wake up the emperor’s got new clothes on. You know, if, if you wanna go down that road, that’s your business. I’m gonna love you because we’re all broken here. And we do stupid things, but maybe think twice about it and maybe read some other people that have actually detransition and regretted the surgery.

Once you start lopping off body parts, you can’t put them back in again. Right. That’s what right. And, you know, giving hormones to five year olds and purty blockers, wait a minute. We we’ve gone crazy here. When you’re 18, see, and they do all this because when you give a kid at eight or nine puberty blockers, and they never go into puberty.

And so it’s easier to transition, but how do you know with an eight year old knows and, and, and we’ve, we’ve, I’ve done the science on this and red it that most people grow out of it. Most people grow out of it. Most people regret transitioning. You can’t say that or you’re, you know, your you’re anti whatever.

No, we’re not anti read the literature, you know, why can’t the other side who our de we had, I had this guy in my show, we, we took down our whole PPPs report because we just got tired of poking the bear. It’s not worth it, but he lived as a woman, I think for 12 years. And then he detransition, and he’s the 21st century unit.

I mean, that’s what he is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s what he is and he regrets it and he still looks very feminine for the most part, because he had facial feminization and you can’t really change that stuff, you know, and all your, you know, they come in with electrolysis and they take all your facial hair.

And I mean, it’s just like, and, and in my, in my opinion, there’s a spirit behind all this. There’s a spirit of BFA met BFA met is half man, half woman, half animal, half man. That’s exactly where we are. It’s exactly where we are. The spirit of BFA met and this spirit, when people open up to it, it will just lead you down the path because you don’t wake up one morning and go, I wanna be a woman.

No, you’re you’re or I wanna be a man. I’m gonna cut my breast off. I’m gonna remove my testicles, you know, and invert my penis, whatever you don’t just wake up in the morning and do that. You don’t you’re led step by step by step, by step, by step by step. And that’s from the ever side mm-hmm and that’s why it’s a spiritual problem.

And, these people, when, when I talked to this man who detransition, he told me that the Lord did a deliverance ministry on him. His, his sister anointed him with oil and prayed over him on the way home seven demons came out one at a time and it was gut wrenching, literal. . I mean, he was like heaving in the car, gut wrenching.

Yeah. Seven of them came out and you know, people on the other side. Oh, that’s just, that’s just superstition. They blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Really. You ever seen a demon manifest? Have you ever seen a demon come out of somebody? Ever in my dreams? right. So, anyway, let’s move on. We kind of banded, we got six minutes left.

[00:55:33] April: here. what other questions you’ve got?

[00:55:35] Jeremiah: oh, got sidetrack there. Huh? yeah, we just, um, yeah, we just wanted talk to about that. And then, one thing I wanted to hear, um, was the whole implant thing. And, uh, Roger Leer, you were working with. Uh, can you like, give us just a little bit of that? I know we don’t have a ton of time.

[00:56:00] Marzulli: well, we, we, we took out the implant.

We’re the only Christian team that’s ever done. So, um, and again, I’ll be speaking with bill tomorrow. Uh, we removed the implant. Uh, we did, uh, before we did the pre-op we did, um, um, let me, uh, x-ray Gause meter, um, stud finder, cat scan, and then the ultrasound. And we knew where it was. We knew it was there and the day of the operation, uh, we’re there.

And, uh, we can’t find the thing and pretend this is the wand and pretend my arm is Dr. Tric on is going over this little eight inch piece of flesh where we knew the implant was. He can’t find the implant, cannot find it. After an hour and 20 minutes, he can’t find it. So, Richard Shaw and I are, there were the only Christians in the room.

Dr. Roger, there never came across the aisle, but this, this changed his life. This, this experience changed his life. So I’m in the room. Tric Chian is there, Dr. Roger Le is there, Rick Shaw, myself, another two guys filming on top of that. You’ve got a few nurses. There’re about eight people in the room.

There’s 15 people watching it in another room. On a closed circuit, TV, big, huge monitor, HTM I, and all that kind of stuff. And the holy spirit tapped me on the shoulder and says, you need to take authority over this right now. I look at Rick and I go, I just kind of go, okay, I’m gonna pray, guys. This might sound strange, but I’m gonna pray and I’m gonna do it.

Now. Everybody kind of looks at me like. Like that. So, I go father. If there are forces, which are cloaking this device, I pray that you would break their power and do it. The room goes dead. it’s like this Patricia goes, and we are looking at the monitor, and the implant just goes like this from nowhere.

Yeah. Aware. Yeah, just like that. Mm-hmm and everybody goes what’s that? And Dr. Patricia goes, that’s the implant. He takes the, the wand and he kind of taps it and looks at it, puts it back on the leg. There’s the implant tap. He does this like a half a dozen times. He can’t figure out why we’re seeing the implant.

All of a sudden, I’m laughing. I look at Rick he’s laughing. Cause the spirit of living, God just showed up. We took the implant out. It was on film it’s in our Watchers series. We’re gonna recapitulate that, uh, cuz I’m interviewing bill tomorrow. And we’ll talk about that now I’ll, I’ll redo it in one of our UFO update things.

The bottom line is this, that was on a Saturday. We took the implant out Monday. We’re at seal lab with Dr. Roger Le I go, rod, can I talk to you? Privately goes. Sure, sure. LA and he gets up and we go out in the hallway and I go, Roger, I hope you understand what happened in that operating room. And he looked at me, his eyes got really big and he said, LA, I now believe there’s a supernatural dynamic to this implant stuff.

And I’m gonna tell Wheatley streamer about it. Roger died, massive heart attack in the doctor’s office.

[00:59:21] April: Mm. So, with alien abductions, I’ve also heard that there are some people that were going to be abducted and they, they. Pled the blood of Jesus they’ve called out.

And, then they

[00:59:37] Marzulli: weren’t abducted it’s it stops many of the abductions. Um, and this is where it kind of goes off the rails. There are people that claim to be Christians, that were taken mm-hmm. Many people that I’ve talked to who were born again, spirit filled walking. Where they were supposed to be walking where they’re supposed

[00:59:57] April: to.


[00:59:59] Marzulli: It just stops it like different.

[01:00:03] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve I’ve said that I believe aliens are interdimensional and yeah, they are that, and I don’t think that they are benevolent. Um, it just, the stuff that they do and everything just doesn’t make me believe that they’re up to good. Um, and yeah, just, um, hearing tales like that, where people call out and puts it in this supernatural realm and not.

There’re are space brothers.

[01:00:35] Marzulli: no, they’re not our space brothers. And so, I’ll tell you that before I go. If you go to my YouTube channel folks, LA Marzuk and you open up the text box right below any of our videos on YouTube, you will see if you scroll down a little bit, you UFO free film part one, and part two, watch those.

Okay. Cause we’re working on part 3, 4, 5, and six. And then, They will not be free, but part one and part two are, are there. If you wanna buy the hard copies, you gotta go to our website, LA If you go to YouTube, you can just download it for free. I’ve done my part. I’ve done two films for free, and that takes a lot of effort and a lot of time to do that.

but, I gotta go. So, Thanks so much for having me on guys.

[01:01:21] April: Thank you, so much.

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Welcome back my fellow terrestrials and thank you for tuning in today. We’re gonna have an awesome interview with Earl gray, Earl gray Anderson. He is the head of Southern California moan. And, uh, he’s gonna talk to us today about obviously UFOs, aliens, abductions. It was a very good conversation. So I think you’re really gonna enjoy it.

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Welcome to the what if the wrong podcast, I’m your host, Jeremiah. And I’m joined today by Earl gray Anderson and he is the head of the Southern California muan, which is a mutual UFO network. And we’re gonna be talking today about. UFOs aliens, abductions, the whole phenomenon figured there’s no better person to get on than one of the head of moan.

And I’m sure he has a lot of stuff to present to us. And his knowledge is pretty vast and definitely something we can gain knowledge from. So let me introduce him now. Hello, Earl

[00:02:30] Earl Grey: gray. Hi there, Jeremiah. How are you doing? I’m good. How. I’m doing great. It’s a little hot out here in Southern California today.

Oh, reached 104 yesterday. I not, I haven’t ventured outside yet. I’m a little scared. My, my cats and I are just hudling with the air conditioner.

[00:02:50] Jeremiah: yeah. It’s like someone turn on the oven out there. Oh,

[00:02:53] Earl Grey: I know. It’s crazy. You could probably, you know, bake a pizza or something. on the sidewalk. So, uh, so you guys, you, you wanna talk UFOs, huh?

oh yeah. Yeah. Because I like to do that. I, you know, it’s my obsession

[00:03:08] Jeremiah: yeah. My I’m starting to become obsessed with it myself. Uh, the whole alien abduction phenomena, especially. And I had said to you before that, you know, I just read Dr. Jacob’s book and I read Jim Mar’s alien agenda and I’ve read some LA Marzuk stuff and just the whole thing.

Really fascinates me. And it’s like, I’ve learned so much, but yet I know basically nothing and that seems to be the case is like, you kind of get pieces here and there and you kind of gotta piece ’em together and then come up with your own, uh, conclusion of what you think is going on. So I’ll ask you first, what do you think is going on with the whole like UFOs, alien abduction?

Like I know there’s different camps out there. Like some people say they’re interdimensional, some say they’re from outer space. Some say a combination of some and then a bunch of other theories out there. So what is your personal, uh, view on the whole phenomenon?

[00:04:19] Earl Grey: I, I think they’ve always been here. I’m, I’m one of those guys.

I, I think that we’re perhaps even their project, uh, that they’ve had their hand in, in, in human evolution. And that it goes back to time memorable, um, as far as where they come from. I, I think that, uh, it’s both dimensional and, uh, inter stellar. Uh, also, I, I, I think that, you know, we do live in a multiverse there and the other dimensions, uh, may mirror this one very closely.

So in other dimensions, uh, things are close to what they are here, but the further you go out, it, it gets a little stranger and more different, uh, you know, as, as you go out dimensionally. So, uh, they, they may be coming from, you know, alpha Tari, or even from a earth in another dimension. It would be as easy as walking through a door.

You know, I think that they’ve mastered portal technology, um, that they’re thousands of years ahead of us. Uh, there’s, there’s a, a scientist, uh, rich Hoffman that has, has a, uh, investigatory group. Uh, he’s not with Mohan anymore, but, uh, I, I was speaking with one of his scientists, very, very intelligent, uh, you know, guy with, with, you know, quite a few degrees on the wall and PhD and all that.

And he was saying that he believes that, uh, from what they have seen and, and, and how that, what they used for propulsion. I mean, they, they did a deep, deep study on the tic TAC, uh, case that happened out here, uh, near Catalina island with an USS Nimitz in the Princeton, uh, Kevin Day. Who was you? Part of all, that was the strike force commander on the Princeton.

Uh, he’s the guy that first saw thetic TAC type UFOs that was on the radar, you know, and they were seeing these things coming down from, uh, low earth orbit down to sea level and then shooting back up again. Ooh, we have a loud airplane out there. if it’s the men in black, maybe. Yeah. I’m saying too much.

Alrighty. I barely opened my mouth but um, he was telling me that, that what they’ve seen, uh, as far as propulsion and what they can do that they’re like 5,000 years ahead of us at least. Um, and, and that doesn’t surprise me. I mean, the tic TAC itself was traveling at mock 18, 18 times. The speed of sound.

Uh, it didn’t make a single Sonic boom. It should have made 18 of them. It should have sounded like a, the world’s biggest thunderstorm. Uh, it was making 190 degree turns and, uh, I’m guessing it wasn’t killing the, the pilots that were inside. Uh, as far as it being unmanned, I don’t know why you would make, uh, something that was 40 feet long, that, that didn’t have a pilot.

That was a drone. There would be easier ways to do that. I, I think that they were, that thetic TAC was piloted certainly under intelligent control. And, uh, that, you know, Rich’s guys, they, they, they, and, and Kevin Day as well, he had a team out at seal beach. They recently made that the movie, uh, tear in the sky, I think it’s called, uh, and they, they had all manner of monitors and scientific equipment, uh, at this beach house where he had gathered this group of scientists to study this phenomenon.

And whenever they would have a head UAP, they would come out of the ocean, you know, and it, they were actually getting Gama rays from the object. Uh, there’s only two things that can produce gamma rays, a black hole, or a neutron. and their belief is, is that for propulsion, our visitors are using a mini black hole.

They use a thing called quantum metrics. Uh, and, and what happens is they carry this black hole with them and it creates, uh, a gravity, well, a dip in, in gravity and, and the ship just kind of falls into that. Constantly, never falls in it’s a mini black hole, right. But just the attraction of the craft to the black hole is where they get that speed.

And apparently they carry their own physics with themselves because I mean, you can’t make 190 degree turn like that and survive, you know, you’re, you’re gonna be a little splash on the wall, uh, pardon in the gross, uh, imagery there, but that that’s, that’s, that’s what would happen, but, uh, that it was doing what, you know, what it was meant to do, what it was designed to do.

And, uh, there’s nothing that we have that could do that. Uh, MI Coco, the, the, the famous, popular science scientist recently came out and said that, you know, that don’t believe what they’re telling you. There’s nothing that Russia, China or America has that could possibly do this. It’s so advanced from anything we have, uh, it would be like showing an iPhone to a caveman, uh, the, you know, you, how do, how do you tame a black hole?

How, how do you carry a black hole with you? But that’s the only, I mean, it’s amazing. I mean, that’s what throws off gamma Ray. So apparently that’s what they’re using, uh, to, you know, propel these objects with .

[00:09:58] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely, definitely makes sense. Like the rate of speed that they can go and like do pinpoint turns that like none of our aircraft can do, like, there’s gotta be a way that they can.

Go around the physics of our planet and all, or as our reality as we know it. So yeah, there has to be a way they can, you know, like you said, carry a black hole around or bend space time or something, kind of like a Dr. Strange. And like ,

[00:10:32] Earl Grey: that’s, that’s a good, yeah. A good example. It is like a graphic novel.

It’s crazy. I. I think the biggest problem that, that, you know, your scientists in any field have have had with this phenomena is, is that it’s just so absurd. And it, it just like, you know, snubs its nose, you know, Isaac Newton and says, no, , uh, the, you know, we, we don’t follow those rules of physics. We have our own, I, I think that they, uh, it’s just the most interesting, amazing phenomena.

And, and, uh, you know, I, I, I began doing this. Uh, I, I became a Mo on field investigator about seven and a half years ago now. And it was one. It’s it’s the great adventure of my life, you know, I, I just, I love it. Uh, and it, but it’s so mysterious and, and, you know, you just have to have an open mind, but try not to let your brain fall out.

Right. You can’t, you know, but you gotta keep that open mind and, and still, you know, of course, I mean, in moan we use a scientific method. I mean, the moans creed is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity. And so we. Keep the sciences intact, but, uh, boy, boy, this is way beyond anything that we have.

And you know, it’s, it’s like the population of an ant hill looking up at a skyscraper, an airplane and trying to understand it. yeah. I can understand why our physicists and scientists are, are, are offended by, by this phenomenon. It’s it’s got to, you know, it’s absurd by design in a way it’s, uh, it’s crazy.

And I think it goes way back. I think that if you read the Bible or read the Greek myths, you know, read the history of Samaria and Babylon, uh, that, that they, uh, that we’ve had contact, uh, worldwide, you know, and it’s, it’s nothing new. What’s new. Now finally government officials are, are saying, yes, this is, this is something it’s not crazy people.

Um, this is a real phenomenon now. They don’t understand it.

[00:12:51] Jeremiah: now what’s your take on them releasing all this information recently. Do you think it’s leading up to something or do you think they just can’t hide it anymore or what do you, why? I don’t think they can hide

[00:13:03] Earl Grey: it. They can’t hide it anymore. I don’t think that they wanted to disclose, I don’t think they wanted to disclose, but there were just too many people that knew about it and the videos got out.

What are they gonna say and do. . Everybody that saw that video, that was a, you know, a Navy pilot knew exactly what it was and where that came from. So they had to answer questions, but they’re acting like they’re dumb. Like it’s some new thing they’re suddenly interested in, but we know, you know, through, through FOYA requests that we put in the freedom of information act, uh, they have to release a lot of this stuff and, and their interest in UFOs goes way back to the 1940s.

You know, it’s not nothing new . Yeah. But, but it is new for them to admit that it’s a real thing and that it they’re stumped by it. They, they don’t understand it. Now,

[00:14:00] Jeremiah: do you think, um, the government is communicating with aliens or whatever these beings are

[00:14:08] Earl Grey: that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. would it, would it surprise you?

[00:14:12] Jeremiah: No, not at all. Not that they are

[00:14:15] Earl Grey: I think so. I, I, I, I think that, uh, you know, people wonder why disclosure proper hasn’t happened. Right. I really don’t think that humanity, a lot of us are, are really ready for it. Just any new idea or anything is, you know, people get angry, they, you know, , they March on the white house or whatever, you know?

It just, uh, and, and imagine if they came out and they said, yeah, we’re being visited. We can’t protect you from them. They’ve been here since forever. Um, we, uh, There you go, have a nice day. Well, yeah, like people would be, you know, building bomb shelters and, you know, there would be a rush for tin, foil hats.

People would probably rush the banks afraid of, yeah. I mean, it could cause all kinds of problems and I don’t think the government wants to see that. And I don’t think our visitors wanna see upheaval here. So I think that they do what they’ve been doing and, and people will see a UFO or they’ll have a face to face anomalous encounter with beans.

Uh, and, uh, and that’s how they work. Uh, it, it’s almost like, uh, animal sanctuary that we would have. And, and what do you do? You know, you go and you’ll tranquilize the lion first and you go and you do medical tests, get blood and do all that stuff. Uh, make sure everything’s okay. Then you go, and if the lion could speak, you would probably say I’ve been abducted by anomalous, uh, humans.

It’s the same thing for us, you know? I will say that the, you know, the experience surf phenomena, abductions visitations, it is very, very, very real. The people that report having had these anomalous encounters are not just a bunch of Hicks or idiots. They’re, they’re PhDs, doctors, lawyers, nurses, and, and garbage collectors and window washers and, and working class heroes.

You know, uh, I, I was a nurse just recently retired. I’m, I’m glad because I wouldn’t have time to work 12 hour shifts and, and do everything that I’m, you know, doing right now. You know, we’re hands on at Mo on people will see a UFO. And just for your listenership out there, if you see a U F O uh, just go to, it’s M U F O.

and on the front page, it will say report a UFO or, you know, report, uh, an entity encounter. I’ll take you like 15, 20 minutes to fill out that little form and write a little narrative about what happened. Your spelling doesn’t have to be great, or you can be Ernest Hemingway, but it doesn’t matter. Um, that will go to, uh, the one we work regionally.

So I get all the, all the sightings in Southern California. I think we had 80 of them last month. And, uh, I see every one of those reports and I’ve got a team of field investigators that I assign each one, two, and they’ll do a deep dive and figure out if it was, uh, if it was an identified flying object.

And we got plenty of drone reports, we. You know, people that will see a Mylar balloon that’s, you know, flashing the silver side and it looks like it’s sending them messages and stuff, or, you know, the drones are, you know, one of the, you know, IFOS that are real popular now, but we’re, you know, we can go and we can figure out what it was.

And if we can’t figure out what it was, then you’ve got an unknown, a UFO and. That’s maybe five to 10% of the accounts that come in, a lot of people will see the planet Venus, or, you know, they’ll see the, the ISS space station. It looks like a little cross that’s going across, you know, across the CTIC. And, and we’re, we’re, it’s gotten to the point now.

I mean, I’ve personally closed 808 UFO, uh, cases myself. And, but a lot of ’em I can read like the first two sentences, you know, as, and, and I’ll know what it is, you know, we, we had like, uh, in San Diego we had, uh, anomalous lights that, that, uh, in the sky about three nights ago, And, uh, it turned out that it was the coast guard doing a, usually the Navy will let people know beforehand now because they know they don’t wanna scare everybody.

The coast guard, not so much. So the whole city of San Diego, they thought that they were being invaded by et, but it was actually the coast guard doing, uh, night training and they’ll use a they’ll shoot flares up with little tiny parachutes. You can’t see the parachute, but you do see the flare and it’ll be there looking like it’s in formation.

These certainly did. But I took a look at the video and I knew exactly what it was, was like, yeah, this, the military is doing something out there tonight. Now wasn’t there. And that’s a lot of what we do, you know, wasn’t

[00:19:27] Jeremiah: there a video, I don’t know what year or anything, but where they had those multiple lights and the government tried to play it off as they were just like flares, but

[00:19:39] Earl Grey: like a lot that would be the Phoenix lights.

Is that what it was? Yeah. Uh, back in 1997, and that that’s a different story. Um, with that one, there were thousands of people that saw full on spacecraft. Uh, one was about a mile across triangular shaped. Um, they had various shapes, various craft that were seen, uh, they were seen from, uh, Arizona out to, uh, Utah.

And, uh, after the event, the military sent up flares and tried to blame the whole thing on that. This is their way of not disclosing , but no, that was, that was a real thing. That was an anomalous, uh, that, that was a fleet of, uh, UFOs. Yeah. And didn’t the, uh, my, my friend, uh, Dr. Lynn Katai she’s, uh, she has the film, the Phoenix lights, and she was sort of one of the first people that saw that and, uh, yeah.

Is a very, very real thing. Yeah.

[00:20:39] Jeremiah: Didn’t the mayor or governor, whoever come out in like an aliens face suit to like mock it and then later yes. Recounted that and said, yeah, something happened.

[00:20:49] Earl Grey: That was governor Simonson and, and, uh, yeah, he came out with a guy in an alien suit and made a big, made a joke about it and it didn’t go over very well.

No, he, he lost the election, I believe, probably because of that. Um, but yes, he did come, uh, he later on said that he went to the top of a Mount and he had been hearing about this and he saw the mile long craft kind of flew right over him. And he just watched this thing with his jaw drop down to the ground and, uh, yeah, he’s, he’s he’s uh, he knows that we’re not alone.

yeah. It’ll have a huge impact on you when you see a UFO. You’ll know what it is. There’s no question in your mind. Um, and, and it changes a person’s.

[00:21:38] Jeremiah: yeah, for sure. And, um, where I’m at in Carolina, there’s the brown mountain lights, which probably aren’t a UFO, but it’s some weird phenomenon where . Um, but also,

[00:21:51] Earl Grey: yeah, I mean, there are atmospheric phenomena that will look like a UFO and that’s one of our jobs is trying to figure out and pick apart what people saw and then some people, I mean, I’m, I’m their buzzkill.

You, you don’t want to tell somebody that they were looking at a Mylar balloon and I, you know, I, I I’ve learned to you. I mean, you just have to be sweet to people and, and, and be kind and informative and let them know, Hey, you know, I would, I, this is what I do. I, if I had seen that, I would’ve thought that it was something too.

So, uh, keep looking up next time at, you know, maybe a Starship

[00:22:33] Jeremiah: yeah. There’s also, um, and it. Hugely talked about, but I’ve heard about UFOs coming out of like lakes and stuff like that. Um, yes.

[00:22:45] Earl Grey: I don’t know. There’s a connection with water. Yeah. So most of the impressive cases that I’ve been getting off the coast of California, um, I had, I have a case I, I closed, uh, about a year ago, uh, is a commercial pilot, his wife and brother-in-law, they were camping on east Catalina island.

And this guy is he, he flies across California along the coastline. That was his usual flight path. And so he’s very good at dead reckoning. And knowing how far away something is by the naked eye. Plus, he had binoculars with him, which was helpful. Cell phone was in the tent, unfortunately, but he watched this.

Huge sphere. I guess you could call it an orb, but I mean, it, it was, it was like the sphere that was maybe 200, 300 feet across come out of the water and he called his wife and his brother-in-law out. So there were three sets of eyes on this thing. He said it was about 10 miles off of the coast of Catalina island, uh, equidistant from the mainland.

So it was 10 miles away from the mainland. A golden sphere comes outta the water and it starts doing this pattern of like a crosswise pattern up and down, back and forth. He watched this for a while and then it shot back down into the water. Had binoculars on it. Said it was just bright, like plasma, like this little miniature sun, not quite that bright, but.

You know, it was just perfectly spherical. Uh, a couple seconds went by and the thing comes out of the water. Again, this time, it just HAES there hovering maybe 200 feet in the air, and then they watched this thing shoot out of the atmosphere. So that was off of Catalina island. And that was something’s underwater there.

I think so many reports are going out. Um, I really want to get a dive team together and take them out to the coordinates. This guy, thankfully, he actually had the coordinates. Uh, when I heard about it, I called up Kevin Day, who is the Strikeforce commander that, that reported thetic TAC at first. And Kevin knew the exact coordinates of where they saw thetic TAC.

And he said, oh my God. He said the pilot, what, what he saw, those are the exact same coordinates of thetic TAC. So that’s where we sent the jet. So I think there’s something underwater there off of east Catalina island.

[00:25:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. I wonder if they have like bases underneath these bodies of water, because I hear about them coming outta different lakes and, uh, stories of that kind of stuff and kind of makes you think that they might have something down there.

And they probably also know that we don’t search down there. mm-hmm so, yeah, it’s definitely a way to hide themselves.

[00:25:53] Earl Grey: well, the military, they get the, you know, in the boomers, uh, submarines, uh, I know a few people that, uh, they, they get anomalous hits. They call them fast walkers and, uh, it happens all the time and it’s something that’s moving faster than anything that we’ve created.

It’s like UFOs moving through the air. It’s almost like some kind of spacial Telon they use. For their craft, but they, they move and they move fast, you know, mock 18 under water for God’s sakes. And, uh, so that, I, I think that that’s a really good supposition that they probably do have a base that they use.

It’s a good place to hide something. That’s for sure. I mean, it can be underwater and underground, you know that, I mean, I know the military even looked into doing that. There there’s, you know, blueprints hypothetical blueprints, they came up with way back in the 1950s to show how you could do, uh, underground base under the ocean.

So I would guess that they probably have something like a facility down there, our visitors do. So

[00:27:02] Jeremiah: now for the UFOs themselves, I know you have different like shapes and sizes and stuff like that. Do you think, um, , they are different species of aliens. I don’t know what term to use, but like, cause you know, you hear about the Nordic and the, uh, draconian ones or uh, whatever.


[00:27:26] Earl Grey: there’s all manner of beings. I mean, we, we see a lot of the little gray guys, of course, you know, you’re kind of four foot tall with the big black eyes and uh, you see tall gray aliens that kind of look similar, but, uh, are, are more, you know, comparable to our height, like five and a half feet tall as usual.

You’ve got the more, uh, reptilian type, uh, ETS that are out there. Hear bad stories about them, but I hear good stories about, uh, about certain reptilians. So, they, you know, it’s just like humanity. I mean, we might look the same, but talking to people that are gonna have different beliefs and philosophies, and, and I think it’s the same thing with our visitors.

Um, and you know, you’ve got the tall whites, the Nordics, and there are other beans that look more like us, perhaps that’s intentional. I mean, if, if you want to go and study a planet, how better to do it than to look just like the inhabitants of that world. So I, I think that, that they’re here among us, you know, they’re, they’re, uh, certainly involved with, uh, I think they always have been, we’re interesting to them.

  1. So the big human soap opera , you know, yeah. Forget life gets boring, go to earth, you know, you’ll see revolutions and wars and crazy ni you know, rock concerts, and it runs the gamut. , you know, we may just be a great vacation site. I don’t know. Um, but there you

[00:29:04] Jeremiah: go. Yeah. So for the whole abduction side of it, like, what, what’s your take on the abduction side?

Like what do you think the purposes of it and why are most accounts pretty much the same as far as like, they’re really interested in our reproductive system and, um, about our human makeup and stuff like that. So what’s your take on it from what you’ve researched.

[00:29:36] Earl Grey: well, there was, uh, a period of time where people were having their DNA taken pretty regularly.

And that seemed to be the, the main motive of abductions and visitations. You you’d hear the same story over and over and over again. Um, that seems to have calmed down over and in, in recent years, the last five years, six years or so. Um, you don’t hear as much about DNA collection. Uh, there’s more like teachable moments and people get downloads of information that is supposed to be activated when needed.

Uh, if there’s some future, I guess, disaster or something, they wanna make sure that humanity is, is not destroyed by it. And, and that, you know, that there’s knowledge that’s here. That’s not just in a library or on, on your computer. I mean, if, if God forbid society were to collapse, uh, most of the information that we have now is digitally, you know, collected and, and that’s, you know, even the books I read anymore is I just read ’em on my Kindle, you know?

So I think that there’s some of that going on with abductions, a lot of teachable stuff. I have a cop here who, uh, Was abducted from his squad car. He was out doing his rounds. There was a bridge where, um, they would have a lot of, you know, homeless, people would drink and stuff and he would go, that was on his beat.

So he would go and check this area out. He parked his squad car there. And, uh, he was just, you know, he had his little computer system that they used to to write, you know, their reports. So he is doing that and suddenly there’s this bright light. He thought somebody had a flashlight shining at him. Uh, so he is looking, you know, you, you, you know, he had every reason to think, well, maybe I’m at risk.

So he’s looking out the window and, uh, the light kept getting closer and closer. And the, the man was, um, he said that the, and I’ve heard this before, you know, it’s like the dash board of his car. It was like Tesla, like a Tesla coil. This energy was, you know, spinning around on, on his dashboard. Uh, and the next thing he knows, he said that he had two hours of missing time.

Uh, and when he was cogent again, when he, he was back in his car, he said that he felt like a fish outta water at first. Like he hadn’t taken a breath in a while. Uh, but the man had a download of, of, uh, mathematics and it kept going on for a month. He would go to sleep at night. And he would see, this is just absurd, but I mean, the phenomenon crazy, you know, it just nuts.

He would see this little thin gray hand with four fingers, holding a little pointer with a Blackboard and was teaching him. He, he said that they were teaching him about zero point energy. Uh, he had a month of this and he thought it was so ironic because he was a D student in math. That was like the one thing he couldn’t get his head around after a month, it suddenly stopped.

Now, this guy, you have to realize he was honest. When they were looking for him, they, they were trying to contact him the other, the, the, the police station. And he wasn’t answering his, his phone for like two hours. Wasn’t answering the calls. He told them what happened to him. So he was like, leave it to you to get abducted.

You know, all of his, uh, friends, you know, that, that he worked with and colleagues, but he came to move on, hoping to get, uh, hypnotically regressed by somebody so that, because all that information had left him, he was told with his last meeting, with this gray thin, you know, de hand with the, the, the pointer, he said that, that this will come back to you when it is needed.

And. That was it. You know, he didn’t have any more abductions, no more alien contact. It’s like they wanted to give him this thing that would be activated some days, as far as I know, he was not able to get to the information even through hypnosis, uh, is deep there in his mind. And I’m, I’m guessing that, you know, if it’s needed in our future, that you’ll have the, you know, what that, which will solve every energy problem on earth.

They think that zero point energy is the way to go. It’s sheep clean and, uh, and very powerful, but we don’t know how to do it. Apparently our visitors do. And apparently there’s this police officer out there that has that locked in his brain. So that’s one of the reasons why, you know, things like that. We see a lot of stuff like that with abductions and visitations.

Um, you still have some people that, that have their DNA taken. Oftentimes it’ll just be by taking blood. Uh, your DNA is in your blood, uh, or, you know, the other ways that you’ve probably read about, you know, national Inquirer just loves alien probes and stuff like that, but people don’t usually get probed, but sometimes they would have semen or ova, uh, taken from no, that happened a lot, you know, from like the 1970s up until maybe six, seven years ago.

Uh, now you hear about that, but it’s, it’s much more rare. And my guess is perhaps we were stockpiling our DNA in case we destroyed ourselves. They could start us up again, uh, or maybe. You know, I, I sometimes wonder about the aliens that look like us. Um, maybe they, you know, maybe they’re gene tailored and, and, and purposefully by them.

Uh, I don’t know that they naturally, I mean, why would nature favor two arms, two legs and ahead, you know, I mean, the way an octopus’s body works is, is great, you know, , you have eight arms to, to, you know, do whatever you’re doing. Uh, so I, I sometimes wonder if, if it’s for our benefits, that we’re not afraid of them, that makes it easier for them to get around or certainly to blend in.

You know, if, if you see, you know, you saw an octopus, you know, walking down the street, you know, you, you’re not gonna be so apt to talk with them, but if it’s just some pretty girl behind the counter and, and your, your drug store or wherever, um, that’s a good way to find out about humans is to live among.

So that’s my guess with a DNA gathering. Yeah. It’s um, for whatever reason, it’s not real popular anymore, they don’t seem to be doing it so much. Yeah.

[00:36:27] Jeremiah: The whole thing just fascinates me, like in the, um, hybridization program where you hear a lot of, and I’ve actually interviewed two ladies who claim to have been abducted and, uh, been shown children or babies and, uh, had their stomachs tampered with, or, you know, examinations of their unborn child.

And it’s just all fascinating and kind of makes you wonder, like, what’s the end game here? Is it like, are, are we Destin for failure? Cause I think this is just my opinion. My take from my research is I feel like time is kind of cycl cyclical and that there’s been. Civilizations before are known time. And I think the great pyramid is from a previous civilization.

That’s just kind of been taken over by, you know, our recorded history. But, um, I, I don’t know. I think it kind of makes you like, on one hand kind of scared on the other hand, it’s kind of like, well, maybe they’re helping us out, but on the other hand it might be like, maybe they know we’re gonna wipe each other out or wipe ourselves out and they need to use these hybrids to like replace us when we’re gone.

I don’t know. It’s just something I

[00:37:49] Earl Grey: think about perhaps. I mean, that’s certainly a theory. You know, I, I wish I could give you a positive answer about that, but I do know that our visitors are concerned about the way that we treat each other, the way that we treat the planet. I must have talked with at least 200 experiencers at this point, just because that’s what I do at MoveOn.

You know, I’m a executive committee member of the, uh, experience or re resource team at, uh, was started by Kathleen Martin, who was the niece of Betty and Barney hill. If you’re familiar with that, uh, it was the earliest, uh, oh yeah. Abduction case that we know about. But, um, we, we are more of a support for these people because it’s confusing.

Uh, it pulls your baseline reality out from under your feet, you know, people are afraid. Um, and, uh, and it’s more common than you would think. I mean, I’m constantly talking with these people that have, you know, that are having, uh, that have had an abduction or a visitation or that where they continually have them.

And it’s generational. . I mean, I have one gentleman who, uh, I, I took his, uh, case on about seven, six years ago. It was about six years ago, head of Homeland security at a major airport, highly educated man, a black building karate and a pilot. You know, he, he used to fly out to my moan meetings cuz he lived up, you know, closer to, uh, the San Diego area.

Uh, but uh, he, he was, uh, being visited when he was seven years old and his parents thought he was having night terrors. Uh, then the parents started noticing weird lights and, and, and just strange stuff was going. And, uh, now they, they accept the fact that, that, you know, their son was, was having these entities coming in and they would bring machines in that would float over his bed and they would take, you know, blood and DNA and elsewhere.

It was as though they were monitoring his health and, and, and his wellbeing, you know, uh, the man’s now an adult and, and he is the head of Homeland security at a major airport. And, uh, he found out that his birth father who he, um, didn’t know he had been adopted as a child, but he was, uh, he had a reunion with his, uh, birth father’s brother.

His father is, is, is gone. Now. He passed away, uh, talking to his uncle. Told his uncle about his, his history and his uncle told him, he said, my God, he said, your father told me the same exact story that you’re telling me. Said the people didn’t know about aliens or abductions and things back then, um, your, your father went through that.

I think that it might have made him insane. Finally, you know, uh, he kind of became a drinker in, in his later years. And, but, uh, now he’s, he’s kind of, he’s concerned, but he’s not worried. His daughter is, is, uh, you know, about 12, 13 years old, I guess. And, and there’s started to be some signs that she’s being, uh, visited as well.

So it’s, we got three different generations there. For my friend, we call him Mandy because I can’t, you know, we, we have to keep him safe. His job could be at risk if he came out and was known to be, you know, an alien abductee. But he, uh, his, uh, He feels, he was afraid at first, but he had the same entities visit him for like 40 years.

He gave them names when he was a child, they didn’t tell ’em a name. So he gave them names. He still calls them that they answer to it telepathically. They, they communicate not with their mouths, but with the mind we see that, you know, from case to case too highly telepathic our visitors. Apparently we have the potential to do that as well, but we’ve just kind of disabled ourselves.

I think by we’ve learned to vocalize and sing and we get our emotions out that way. Apparently that’s a rarity in the universe. I’ve heard that we’re one of the few, uh, uh, advanced cultures that never developed telepathy as, as a way to communicate. Um, but, uh, he, he believes that his entities are benevolent.

Uh, he, they, they hadn’t visited him for about two years. And I remember getting a phone call from Andy and him saying, I’m really concerned. My, my aliens have left me what what’s happened, you know, are they done with me? Or, um, and then about a month later, I got another phone call from him. He said, nevermind.

They’re back. . Yeah. And he was relieved. Now I. You know, I get other cases where, you know, I had one man that just hated his entities so much that he just wanted to be able to throttle them. I mean, he kept having the same implant put into his foot over and over and over again, he was a old, an elderly German man.

Um, he had had this thing removed six different times surgically and they would just paralyze him again in middle of the night and put it back in. Uh, he hated his entities and he felt like it was this intrusion. And, uh, you know, so there’s that, you know, people react differently to it. Uh, it seems like people that are in the military or involved with the military or the Pentagon, uh, tend to get the more militant entities as well.

Uh, I, I think that’s purposeful. I think that they’re trying to tell us something and, and they’re, they, they have scary encounters. Yeah, I I’ve got a, a Marine that was, uh, abducted through his Barrack ceiling. Uh, you know, his bunk mate noticed he was gone for all this time, you know, and, and then he said, he sees him in the middle of the floor covered with all these black marks.

And, and, and, and he’s just crying this big Marine, you know, your Marines don’t cry, but there he is just a mess. And, and he had to get him into the shower and try to get him because, you know, the guy was gonna be on guard duty in a few hours. Um, and for him as a counter was horrifying. I mean, the entities told him they were gonna steal his soul.

Uh, they, they, they, you know, showed him what looked like a robot that was menacing. Uh, you know, they, they didn’t paralyze him entirely. They, they kind of let this guy run around purposefully so they could show him that they could subdue. Uh, I don’t wanna meet those guys, you know, but I think, you know, having had so many cases now, I, I noticed that, you know, warriors get treated differently.

If you’re military, it appears that, uh, uh, sometimes you’ll get, uh, you know, kind of a warning that I don’t think is so much for that person, but just for humanity in general, that, uh, we’re still acting like barbarians. We are still killing each other as advanced as we are. We’re still acting like genus Khan out there.

Uh, same old problem. So the only problem is now we can destroy the whole planet, not just ourselves. And, uh, so people hear a lot of the two things that I hear from people are three things. Three messages people are left with is. You know, nuclear weapons, you need to get rid of them. You guys are gonna destroy yourselves.

They’ve shown us that they disapprove of, you know, there’s a friend of mine, Robert SOAs, who is the commander of a, of a ICBM base in Montana. Were hovered over by a UFO and, and it shot a laser down into where they had the missiles in, in the control room. He watched every single missile go offline.

It’s like, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Every one of them just, yeah, we can do this. and, and you know, it was, it was like the minutes were going by, you know, you asked to call up, you know, the Pentagon and all this stuff. I mean, this was, you know, they, they took down our nukes. Then they go back online just like nobody’s business.

It’s like boo, boo, boo, boo. Yeah, we can turn them off and we can turn them back on again. You know, uh, the guy up at the guardhouse was freaking out, uh, you know, is like the radio back and forth, just, you know, because there’s a flying saucer overing over the, their, their ICBM base. Um, so that, that was a message for us.

It is to say, you know, you may think that you’re powerful and, and, but, but we’re actually in control of these and, and it’s bad and you’re gonna kill yourselves. Uh, the other two things that people hear are you need to elevate yourselves, elevate your vibration. We’ll hear that. It’s like, what does that mean?

You know, but a lot of it has to do with spirituality. It has to do with being aware. I mean, people can find a deeper self through meditation or, you know, spirituality, but that apparently is important for us as a species. And, um, and we get, uh, we get warned about ecological disaster. People will see just trash piled up and up and up going out of the, out, out of the atmosphere, you know, which I think is just, you know, it’s giving them a mental image of what we’re doing to this world.

And, and people are told that this is a very rare planet, the biodiversity and the beauty of it. You have this gem and you treat it like a trash pile. So tho those are the three things that people, I hear it over and over and over again, some of these people have researched since they’ve had their encounters and they know something about the phenomenon, but the lions share of people are just confused.

They, they don’t have anything to compare it to. And, uh, we look for certain markers from case to case, and those are the three messages people are left with. Yeah. I’m

[00:48:18] Jeremiah: glad that you mentioned the, uh, nuclear thing, cuz I was gonna ask you that as well, like. There seems to be a huge UFO presence around nuclear reactors and during war times and stuff like that.

And makes you think that they’re, you know, Medling with our trajectory, like maybe they’re trying to prevent us from going overboard or cuz you always

[00:48:47] Earl Grey: hear about destroying ourselves perhaps. I mean, we hear that from case to case that you guys are gonna destroy yourselves and you don’t know how rare intelligence is in the universe.

I think it’s, you know, maybe they’re watching their science project going awry, uh, but. You know, and, and I know you were talking about that you had been reading David Jacobs and a lot of these guys, and a lot of these guys feel like it’s an invasion. I’m more with, uh, Dr. John Mack who put out a book called, uh, abduction.

And he was, uh, head of, uh, psychology at, uh, Harvard. I believe it was Harvard, Harvard. Uh there was a lot of blow back for him when he decided that, you know, this was a real phenomena and he, he threw himself into this great study of it. And he was one of the, you know, early people that you know, was doing hypnotic regression and, and then talking to abductee that it was a real thing, but he believes that, uh, it it’s that our visitors are much like us, that there’s benevolence.

And there’s some that are less benevolent. um, and I’m kind of in that school. I, I think that, uh, I don’t think that they’re all our space brothers, but I don’t think they are enemies or, or something that we should fear. We know they’ve been here at least since 1947 when the Roswell crash happened. And that was a spaceship.

I mean, I know the Jesse Marcel’s family, they’re all very dear friends of mine and they grew up hearing these stories. And, and, uh, I know my friend, Denise, Marcel, her, her father handled the, the memory medal is what they call it. After the Roswell crash, it was lighter than foil. Lighter. Light is a feather, but the Tenile strength, I mean, they shot bullets at it and, uh, it, it retained its shape, a bullet couldn’t harm it.

Uh, and if you would crumple it up, it would crumple up like foil, but then it would go back to its original shape. So it kind of got the, they. We call it memory metal for lack of a better term, maybe. Uh, but, but her father held that in his hands when he was 10 years old, his, her grandfather was a first official out to the Roswell, uh, debris field.

After the crash, it was about a square mile across, it was fanned out. It was something hit with a great force. And, uh, the, the main material that they found was this weird stuff that looked like foil, but acted like nothing that we had.

[00:51:27] Jeremiah: Um, yeah, I, a hundred percent, a hundred percent believe that Roswell crash was a real crash.

And I believe, well, this is just me personally, but I believe that there were alien bodies found and possibly living alien entity. And I think that there was some type of deal struck with the go. For secrecy in re exchange for like technology advancements, but that’s just what I think happened.

[00:52:02] Earl Grey: yeah, I, I I’m similar.

I have similar thoughts about it. Uh, the day after Roswell is a pretty good book. Uh, what’s his name, uh, Corso, uh, was an official that, uh, and, and he, he wrote a book called the day after Roswell, and it talks about how they, they took these materials to different, uh, universities, different, uh, aerospace companies.

They acted like they had gotten at, it was some foreign acquisition that spies had gotten it from another country and then figure this out. And apparently, you know, there were some electronics that were in there like circuitry. There was supposed to be fiber optics that they found. One of the technologies that supposedly came from this is, uh, night vision cameras.

It’s a very interesting story. My mom was connected with, uh, my mom was connected with the Pentagon. Uh, she actually worked for the Howard Hughes as one of his secretaries. And Chad have security clearance because she, you know, she, back then you would, you would dictate they, they would, they would have their meetings.

And my mom was like taking this stenography from these meetings and they also sent my mom out to a deep, underground military base. That’s a whole other story, but I grew up with this strange arcane knowledge. You know, my mom did like a little disclosure number on me when I was five thinking that I would never remember.

You know, you were a baby girl, you know, years later when I would keep asking her questions, you know, and she would just. Put her, you know, she’d face Palm and just say, I can’t, I wasn’t supposed to ever tell you that. And your mom could go to prison. You can’t talk about this. You know, I , I had to take oaths, you know, but she told me that, uh, you know, similar stories about the technology that, uh, apparently under the desert, they were trying to figure out how these things worked.

And, and I think there were bodies too. And I think there was a living one, there were two crash sites. You know, there was one in Corona, New Mexico, which was about, uh, 7,000 miles away from, from, uh, uh, the Roswell crash site. Apparently this scene, it, when it hit, uh, the, the habitat module. Was left in Corona and that’s where they found the bodies is, is the way the story goes.

The rest of this thing shot back up into the sky, like a super bowl and came back down in Roswell. And that was just the light material that they found there. So, uh, somebody from, uh, probably Wright Patterson, air force base, cuz that’s where they take, uh, you know, they would take materials. That’s where they took a Japanese zero that they acquired during world war II, you know, to reverse engineer certain things and figure out stuff.

So they, according to my sources, they, they that’s where they’ve taken a lot of the alien materials. Of course, Robert Bigelow’s aerospace company in, uh, Las Vegas, Nevada, apparently he’s getting, uh, a lot of interesting material samples and stuff out there. I don’t know if they’ve figured out how many of it works, but, uh, they sure are trying.

Yeah, for real. But, you know, if they were, if, if they were invading us or if they were evil, if there was all evil intent, I mean, they’d been here since at least 1947 and, and here we are, you know, we’re still doing the same old stuff, you know, fighting our wars and you know, the human soap opera or the human zoo, whatever you wanna call it.

Uh, we’re still here. And, and, uh, you know, if it was an invading force, they they’re doing a lousy job of it. so I, I don’t think that’s the intention. Uh, I don’t think that they’re here to steal our souls. I don’t think they’re here to, but I, I do think they’re concerned for us. I think that, uh, if you’re in the military, they may play, they may mess with you a bit.

Just kind of put us in our place. I I’m I’m gathering, uh, And, uh, but I think that whoever is overseeing whatever operation that is going on here, because there are a multiplicity of races that are visiting us, whoever’s in charge there’s rules and they, they can’t do certain things, you know, not supposed to harm us, not supposed tos.

Certainly. Um, whether that happens sometimes probably, I mean, we have people that break the law. Right. You know, so I guess that threat is probably there, but I don’t think that’s the core of what’s happening. Uh, I think that they’re worried for us that they’ve been here a long time that we’re our, we are their pet project and you, you watch your pet project going awry.

You’re gonna try to get it back on path. And I think that’s a lot of what we see.

[00:57:05] Jeremiah: Yeah. I, yeah, it does make you kind of wonder, cuz like you said, if. Yeah, they really wanted to exterminate us. Um, they would’ve done so already, especially how much more advanced technology they were at that time. And even still, like, we still can’t fly planes.

Like there are UFOs and all that stuff, so yeah, it definitely, um,

[00:57:30] Earl Grey: does. I think they’re concerned for us. Uh, they they’re worried that we’re going to destroy ourselves and I, I I’m like you too. I think that there’s a cyclical, a cyclical thing that happens with, with, uh, civilization. I, I, I think that our history only goes back so far and there’s been other civilizations before us, perhaps he looked exactly like us.

Maybe not. I don’t know, but, uh, I, I don’t think they wanna see us go that way. We we’ve been here a long time. Uh, they’ve been working with us for a long time and, and we’re, uh, I think that, that, that we may even be related to them. I mean, if they’ve been here, as long as I think they have, they may have had a hand in human evolution and it wouldn’t surprise me if, uh, they had, you know, given us some interesting DNA.

there are certain blood types that they just do not understand that have a propensity for healing, like O negative. My wife is O negative. She just doesn’t get sick, you know? And she just from, you know, and I know a lot of people that have that, and I I’ve heard that there’s, uh, some kind of anomalous connection.

Uh, the RH, uh, types of blood are, are, uh, interesting. And then they can’t really track where these, you know, blood lines came from originally. It’s like they pop into existence. So, uh, yeah, they’re interested in us, but I don’t think there are. Yeah, I don’t think so. Anything, I don’t think there are space brothers though.

Not necessarily some we’re like their, uh, some probably don’t

[00:59:07] Jeremiah: like us. We’re like their, uh, aunt farm. They just like watch us or we’re like the Sims that video game, the Sims, yeah.

[00:59:16] Earl Grey: oh my God. The alien Sims. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. If your Sims, you know, program up and did what it wanted to do and flipped the bird, you know, that’s more like us or reality TV, I’m guessing we’re pretty frustrating.

Yeah. Their reality TV. I don’t think that’s far fetched. I mean, you know, we, we wanna be entertained and, uh, people, their science project is sometimes, you know, becomes their, their joy as well. So, you know, uh, I think that we’re a work in progress and they don’t want to see us destroy ourselves that that’s I think the main motive.

So I’ll ask

[00:59:57] Jeremiah: one last deep question, I guess. Uh, what about the whole theory that their time travelers? I

[01:00:07] Earl Grey: think we can travel. I’ve heard that they can travel back in time. I don’t know that they can travel forward, but, uh, I’ve been told that time is a shared hallucination that we live in that makes it convenient for us as humans to hold a, you know, have a, have a time clock and clock in and clock out and stuff.

But, uh, that it’s much more malleable, more fluid than we think it is. And, uh, I, I believe that they can go back in time. Yeah,

[01:00:39] Jeremiah: I think so. Or like some people say there, our future selves, like future humans.

[01:00:46] Earl Grey: Yeah. Us from the, as jock filets, uh, as jock, file’s old, uh, theory and, and. I think some of it’s probably that, I mean, I had, uh, I was friends with, uh, the bass guitar player from the band.

Yes. Chris quire, uh, long story, but I’m a musician as well. And, uh, I, I, he married a, a mutual friend of ours and so I sort of, he wound up becoming a friend of mine and he had a, a UFO encounter back in 1977. He was in the UK going to a gig. Uh, he had his bus driver pull over cuz he had to use nature’s bathroom.

So there he was standing there. Peeing on a rock and he feels like some somebody’s watching him, just that feeling of eyes behind your back, you know, and he looks up and there is this right out of a science fiction movie, this, this a flying sauce, or about 40 feet across, uh, silver, no windows in it. But, uh, a little string of light spinning around like a carnival ride.

He said that he called them. He said they were garish looking lights, like you’d see in a carnival. Uh, he watched this thing tilt to its side and then shoot off into the distance in the blink of an eye and, and into the vanishing point. And it made quite the impression on Chris and he would, he would wanna talk about.

ETS, you know, till late at night, but he was asking me, uh, where do you think they come from? And I said, well, there’s one, you know, idea that some of these are us from the future, their time machines and maybe they’re human historians going back. And maybe that’s what happened with you. I mean, John Lyn told the same story.

I, I talked to, uh, John Lennon at the time was, was broken up with Yoko. He, he was with his, uh, old secretary, uh, may Pang and I’ve talked with may and she saw it. She was there, it was in New York. John calls her into the room. He says, what am I seeing? And are you seeing it too? Uh, he thought he might be having an acid flashback or something.

She comes out there and she said, oh my God, it’s a flying sous thing was hating in front of their picture window. Uh, they watched it go between buildings when it left, but it had the little screen of lights on the bottom. And I wonder. Maybe there’s like some music historian in the future, uh, going, going back, you know, into the past.

Uh, I wonder if the same, uh, flying saucer has been, was seen by Beethoven and, and Mozart and those guys too. I’d be, I guess I should do a deep dive into some, you know, music history to find out. So yeah, there, there may be some that are coming from the future. That might be us. Chris liked it so much. He wrote a song called aliens and the chorus is aliens are only us from the future.

Uh, you can find that on, on, uh, the YouTubes as put in Chris Squire, dash aliens, and the song will come up. I think he was inspired by our conversation to write it too. He never told me that, but it’s pretty close.

[01:03:49] Jeremiah: uh, it’s pretty

[01:03:50] Earl Grey: obvious.

[01:03:51] Jeremiah: Pretty pretty

[01:03:52] Earl Grey: obvious. Yeah. Thank you, Jeremiah. Oh, just, I’m gonna have to look that up.

Tell everybody. Yeah, everybody, you know, if, if what I’ve been talking about out there in, in, in listenership, uh, if it’s meaningful to you, if you’ve seen a UFO or you’ve had an en encounter, do go in and do put in, uh, a siding report, if you’ve seen entities, uh, you can put in a, the, we have a, a questionnaire, the E R T the exp the experience or resource team, uh, it’ll just say, uh, you know, experience or questionnaire.

You can fill that out. Somebody will get ahold of you. We’ll talk with you about your siding. And, uh, believe me, we, we have some amazing cases, so you’re not alone out there. That’s what we do. So yeah.

[01:04:43] Jeremiah: If, um, anyone wants to, uh, look at you or your works, or, um, get in contact with you, uh, how would they go about doing so.

[01:04:56] Earl Grey: Well, I’m on Facebook. I’m just Earl gray, but everybody can read my page. And I, I post a lot about what I’m doing. If I’m, you know, working on a, you know, documentary or radio show or a podcast like, like this one, uh, I’ll usually put it up there so people will know about it. Uh, if you have a burning desire to get ahold of me, um, I do have a Gmail account.

It’s Earl gray Anderson, uh, gray with a E G R E Y, uh, Anderson with an O Anderson. Son of Ander. Uh, so Earl gray Anderson, That’s that’s me. And, and, uh, I’ll get that. Um, other than that, uh, go to Uh, if you go to the experience or resource team page, I’m in there, and I’m also speaking at the Denver symposium in two weeks.

So if you’re in the Denver area, uh, do come and check us out. And what

[01:05:51] Jeremiah: does that all, uh, entail for anyone who doesn’t know?

[01:05:58] Earl Grey: There will be many speakers, very well known speakers. Uh, Kathleen Martin, that I was speaking of earlier, who is Betty and Barney Hill’s niece will be speaking. Uh, Peter Robbins, who, uh, was bud Hopkins, assistant.

Bud Hopkins was the guy that spearheaded experience or research. And, uh, Peter was there for all that for every hypnotic regression and, uh, he’s he’s written books and, uh, and, uh, amazing guy he’ll be speaking. Uh, and what I’m doing is, as I have on the Saturday and Sunday, I’m, I’m running an experience or workshop.

I’ll tell my own story because actually I am an experiencer. I’ve had a face to face and, and it’s a very real thing. Um, and, and I’ll be talking about that. I’ll be talking about some of our more amazing, uh, experience or cases where people have had, you know, have been abducted or con you know, visited.

And, uh, and then the floor will be opened up for people to share their own, uh, their own experiences. Uh, the press will not be invited. Uh, photos and stuff will not be allowed in the workshop because we, we, you know, respect people’s anonymity. And, it could be scary for somebody coming forward. Saying that they’ve met with aliens, but, uh, it it’s more common than you would think.

  1. I, I talk to so many people that have gone through this and they come from all walks of life. And, um,

[01:07:32] Jeremiah: if you’re not in the Denver area, is it gonna be available like after the fact, like, do you guys,

[01:07:39] Earl Grey: uh, I do know that they’ll have it available to stream through Mo on TV. I think that that’s, uh, I think it’s like 70 bucks a year or something. But that’s a vast library of, of just from all the symposiums, every speaker, uh, films and, and, and television shows.

And it’s, it’s all on there and I, I actually pay for it and it’s worth the subscription. I think. So, uh, the symposium, everything will be, uh, collected, filmed. And will be collected and, and will be watchable to the general public if you, uh, if you get a Mo on TV

[01:08:16] Jeremiah: subscription. All right. Sounds good. Well, thank you for coming on and speaking with us.

And, uh, I definitely learned some things. Also glued to your stories, cuz I love hearing about all that stuff and uh, every little bit of knowledge I can get. I like to, uh, keep it in my little memory bank.

[01:08:39] Earl Grey: me too. It’s addicting. Isn’t it? Yeah. It’s the most interesting thing on planet earth and it’s happening. And, it’s the act of phenomena it’s happening right now.

And it’s on in the newspapers, it’s on the news. They don’t laugh at it anymore. They don’t play the X files theme anymore. it’s being taken very seriously. You know? I mean the military has come forward and said, yes. It is real and they’re not ours and they’re not Russia’s or China’s. So, uh, that says a lot about, you know, it’s very different the times that we live in, it’s uh, kind of a blessing.

It’s amazing. So. Now is the time to check it out. Hopefully

[01:09:19] Jeremiah: that will let more people come forward that have had experiences and not be afraid of being laughed at or scoffed at it. Just opens up the door. Yes.

[01:09:31] Earl Grey: Yes it does. Yes, it

[01:09:34] Jeremiah: does. Well, thank you for coming on.

[01:09:38] Earl Grey: It’s my pleasure, Jeremiah. I’ll be back sometime if you want.

I, I enjoyed, uh, talking with you. Oh yeah, definitely.

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Aliens and Paranormal

Aliens and Paranormal

Aliens and Paranormal

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Aliens and Paranormal

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in to the, what if the wrong podcast today, we have a nice discussion with mark and we’re gonna be talking about the UFO alien abduction phenomenon. Mark believes that he has been abducted himself and has a scoop mark on his arm that he thinks is proof that he was abducted, cuz he has no other recollection of how he got this scoop mark.

So we’re gonna get into that as well. But first, if you could go and rate and review the show, we highly appreciated would just let me know that you’re enjoying the content and also help keep us up on the rankings to keep the show going, bringing you all this great content and all these great guests.

Also, what if they’ wrong podcast is on buy me a coffee so you can donate to the show. If you like the content. Every little bit would be appreciated. And also if you donate, I will give you a shout out on the next episode. So let’s get with mark and remember question everything


[00:01:41] Mark: I’ve had paranormal experiences on a broad spectrum.

Uh, when I say paranormal, I mean, a, I use that more of a blanket term, uh, anything from parapsychology to UFOs to whatever you. and, uh, I, I’m also an amateur para psychologist. I’m about to get certified through duke university, uh, with a certificate. Um, I’ve got a lot, I’ve got eight over 18 years of earth of research behind me and I can talk about a lot.

[00:02:07] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. Yeah. Um, duke university. I’m in North Carolina now. So not too far.

[00:02:14] Mark: so it’s the, at the RH center there?

[00:02:17] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’m in, I’m over by Charlotte, so,

[00:02:21] Mark: oh, you’re not that far from me. I’m in Gainesville.

[00:02:24] Jeremiah: Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn’t know that they had a parapsychology degree or whatever you’d said.

[00:02:32] Mark: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of, uh, people who watch these paranormal reality shows.

They get parapsychology mixed up with ghost hunting while they do connect and they are correlated. There is a difference. Um, there’s a deep difference. And, uh, I’m also, uh, just as a side note, I’m also a, uh, one of the other hats I wear, I’m a certified storm spotter for the national weather service. So I’m, I’ve been in a lot of I’ve I I’ve spotted tornadoes.

Uh, I, uh, look for ’em on Doppler. I, I try to help forecast them and stuff like, and spot.

[00:03:09] Jeremiah: Oh, that’s pretty cool. um, yeah, I always remember those movies, like, uh, what was that one? Twister and they were like storm Chas. We got a Sidewinder yeah, I liked that movie.

[00:03:26] Mark: Yeah, that, that was a, it was a pretty good movie.

It was entertaining and everything. And, uh, the real thing is much more intense. It’s much more terrifying and it’s much more serious.

[00:03:36] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. . That stuff is not to be played with either.

[00:03:41] Mark: I’ve been in two EF zeros and I’ve been in an EF two. And the EF two, I was in, uh, just as a note side note, um, was back in 1994 in Southern Birmingham, Alabama Metro areas on Palm Sunday.

And it was a, uh, a third of a mile wide, uh, EF two, uh, tornado, which is a significant tornado. Um, it. When I saw it approaching, you could just see this wall cloud practically touching the ground, this massive wall cloud. It was rotating really fast. Um, it was, it was amazing.

[00:04:15] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s, that’s wild. I, I haven’t seen a tornado, but I was in Alabama, my cousin’s house and the, uh, alarm system went off saying like a tornado was coming

Yeah, but I don’t think it ever came by where we.

[00:04:33] Mark: Like the meteorologist James span says respect the polygon. That’s what I tell people. Right. I, I know all about storm structure. I could tell you about, uh, super cells. Uh Supplie linear convective systems, meso cyclones, the whole nine yards.

[00:04:49] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. Yeah, that’s pretty, uh, impressive.

So yeah, I just, um, yeah, just figured we could talk. And, uh, I’m always looking for other people who are into the whole UFO and abduction phenomenon and all that stuff. And, um, I like covering it on my show and I interviewed now, I don’t know the validity, but I interviewed two ladies who claimed to have had an abduction and, um, just give people a platform.

talk about their experiences. You know, that’s

[00:05:31] Mark: kind, you know, my in contrast to my show, I wanna tell you about my show. Um, first of all, when I look through your show, I noticed you caught you. You cover a very nice variety of topics, and my hat’s definitely off to you on that. Um, I saw a very interesting array of topics, really interesting array.

secondly, so project Stargate, friends research, I named it project Stargate, um, because of there was back I’m I’m a Barron and, uh, I was in the army for, uh, three years, uh, third infantry division mechanized, and, um, I learned years and years ago that there was a special access program, uh, called product Stargate.

And it was basically a, it was, it was ran by the army and it was monitored. I believe to some degree by the central intelligence agency in another three letter agency, um, that I’m not familiar with. At any rate, they were what they were, uh, they were experimenting with remote viewing and clairvoyance. And, um, clairvoyance is the ability, uh, per pair psychology.

The actual definition of clairvoyance is the ability to project one’s consciousness in other and view events or objects in time. Other areas of time and space, even pre cognitive. Now that’s the key right there. Um, now that accounts that does account for, I do believe that, uh, that some, some ghost sightings, uh, account for that phenomenon, some it it’s kind of like, uh, and sometimes, uh, I had Mike Rick sucker on my show, uh, Months ago.

And we were talking about, uh, the idea of time warping and, uh, GRA areas where the gravity’s kind of whacked a little bit and having, having some, um, intense geomagnetic, uh, electromagnetic fields and stuff like that. It was riveting conversation. Um, But we think that there also sometimes there are time wars.

So that’s just examples of things that we research I’ve researched, uh, for over 18 years. The reason I got into researching is because ever since I can remember, I’ve had, uh, various different kinds of paranormal experiences. Everything ranging from missing time to, uh, lots of UFO sidings with, and without other family members.

I have trace evidence as I’m gonna show you here in a little bit, uh, that I can, I can share with you. I’ve had this trace set evidence, uh, looked at by both Kathleen Martin and Darrell Sims. Uh, they seem to be pretty convinced that this, uh, scoop mark or whatever it is on my wrist is very consistent with what they’ve.

Very frequently over the past several decades. So, so we’re a research group first and foremost. We, um, what, we’re the whole idea behind project Stargate friends research is to share our research with the public, uh, first and foremost, but at the drop of a dime, I can go art bell. We, we can, I can go, we can flip the talk show mode and I can go art bell.

Just fine. No problem. I can go all out art bell on somebody. Um, but that’s what we are. That’s who I am. And that’s what I do.

[00:08:46] Jeremiah: Yeah. The I’ve been listening to the coast of coast for a long time. My show, I kind of model it around that. and um, like you said, I cover various topics and I like to dive into anything that I consider fringe and, um, Give people a platform to share their experiences and research and places that they couldn’t get to do that elsewhere.

Cuz like you probably wouldn’t see a lot of stuff I cover on mainstream TV or anything like that. So

[00:09:22] Mark: that’s what sets you apart from everybody else. And let me, and let me E encourage you to keep doing this because the more people that do this, the more, we’re all an important piece of these puzzle. The more of us who puts our piece out there.

The, the closer we’re gonna come to answering these que some of these questions. Some,

[00:09:41] Jeremiah: yeah. Some things are probably never gonna be answered, at least not in our lifetime, but who knows maybe on the other side, we’ll figure it out.

[00:09:51] Mark: correct. Hopefully. So, um, me personally, I approach things from I’m a little unique.

Um, I come at things I, I believe in science and I believe in God, basically that’s the bottom line. Uh, I believe that their synonymous and I believe that God, what we call science is real. A, and we have even begun to scratch the surface on it, but I also believe that what, what we call science is simply God’s methodology or the universe’s methodology, whatever you prefer to prefer as, uh, like the methodology of making everything in these three dimensions.

We, uh, we live in livable and for us to be able to better ourselves. That’s what I, that’s my philosophy. That’s the very bottom.

[00:10:37] Jeremiah: Yeah, if, uh, better ourselves and to experience life and, um, you know, they like this world is constructed for us to experience, like you said, cuz if you take everything down, so it’s basic form, it’s all just like energy and.

you know, this desk really isn’t a desk. If you take it down to like the microscopic level. So it’s just what we perceive. And we’re programmed, in my opinion, we’re programmed to perceive everything this way, but there are ways and techniques to go outside of, of that. And people have throughout time found ways to, to do that.

[00:11:25] Mark: Um, I recommend, I wanna recommend a guest for you if I okay. Um, and I can, I might can introduce you to this individual. His name is Dr. Barry TAF. If you can write that down, you have Barry. He is a Barry TAF, uh, PhD. Has a PhD in biomedical engineering. Wrote a book. He’s also, he’s a para psychologist and he wrote a book called aliens above ghosts, below explorations of the unknown.

And it’s basically, uh, it’s almost like I call it the parapsychology Bible for lack of a better term, cuz that’s kind of what it is. Um, and also like I have in many, many other researchers, uh, have, have, or is starting to see us some correlation between various different types of paranormal phenomenon.

And I can talk about that at length. If you ever want me. Oh, yeah. Get

[00:12:23] Jeremiah: into that. Let’s talk about that.

[00:12:25] Mark: um, yeah. So I can talk about that for sure. I, um, first of all, I want, we gotta kind of go back into my, uh, early life. Um, I was born and raised in Columbus, Mississippi, and, um, I, I had a pretty good upbringing.

We, my mom and dad, they were, they, they kind of sheltered me a little. Um, you know, I was able to watch TV a little bit here and there and, you know, I, they just demanded respect and obedience and they, they took very good care of me though. They took excellent care of me. They, uh, there was no abuse really going on of any kind.

Um, my throughout my childhood and, uh, I, uh, I was raised in a town called, uh, Columbus, Mississippi in Lowes county, uh, which is right on the Alabama. And I had my grandparents, they lived down south and Laurel, Mississippi, uh, which is where my mom and dad reside currently. Um, so I had a pretty good upbringing, but one thing though, um, is I, I noticed at a very, very young age that think that I, I was having these bizarre experiences that, um, people would raise their eyebrows out, uh, things that I could see that my mom and dad or other people couldn’t.

And usually it was like, it was a man. It was the same person every single time, uh, this guy. And, uh, I, I, I don’t know if he was my guardian angel. I I’m about, I’m pretty sure that’s what he was. Uh, I think he was my guardian angel or something, uh, to that effect, but he, um, at any rate, he. I would see him all the time.

And I would climb. What I would do is I would climb underneath, uh, our dining room table in the dining room, in this house in Mississippi. And when I would crawl under there, he would show up at a, just practically outta nowhere. And he would crawl under the table and talk to me just like me and you are having this conversation right now as we speak.

Um, and so I started having these experiences, um, One of my earliest experiences that I remember I was visiting my grandparents in south Mississippi, and we, um, I was staying in this basement room and I, I think you could call it, probably considered this like some sort of close encounter experience of some kind.

Uh, but I, I woke up and there were three entities standing at the foot of the bed and these entities were very small. They were approximately three and a half foot. uh, three and a half to four foot. Uh, they were about, they were taught a little bit taller than me. Um, cause I was about four years old or something like that.

Um, anyways, these, uh, these entities. Didn’t they had very, they had very, very small little areas that you could call a mouth. They had, um, the, what, these little nub things that looked like, I guess they were ears. I don’t know what they were. Um, and two little holes, like right up here. And then they had these big black app, wraparound eye lenses.

And, um, they also wore these little what looked like a, like a really dark maroon robe with a hood over it. Kinda like a Dr. CLO. That was one of my, uh, young, that was one of my earliest, uh, experiences that I remember.

[00:15:44] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s a very common thing to, um, people who get abducted. Now, I’m not saying you got abducted, but maybe did.

Um, but people who got abducted from their room and bed and everything like that, it’s usually three, three gray type aliens. deck do it. And I don’t know what the significance of that is, but, um, yeah, from a lot of encounters I’ve read and heard about it always seems to be three and they usually are like assisted by a taller gray type being or a Manto type being.

So yeah, you definitely, it definitely fits the, the, it hits

[00:16:32] Mark: the profile. For sure. I don’t like, I don’t like to jump to conclusion his brother. I, I really don’t but you know, if it looks like a pig and it works like a pig, it’s probably a pig. Yeah. That’s what they say. But let’s go deeper. Let’s go a little bit deeper if you want to.

Yeah. Um, so moving forward, let’s move forward about, you know, maybe, I don’t know, four years, I think I was about eight years. One summer, my grandparents from south Mississippi, they came up, they spent the weekend at our house and, um, they actually, uh, when it was time for them to go, they were ready to go home.

Sunday. I just, outta nowhere, I just had this overwhelming desire to go with ’em. I was like, Hey, you know, I was, I begged my mom and dad to let me go. And they did, you know, we got in the, we got in the vehicle and, um, we started, uh, heading south and, uh, through, through the state of Mississippi, And, um, as it was getting dark, this is how I recall these events.

I recall these events as, uh, in kind of in this order. We started, I remember where this started because I would, I, I saw a sign, an exit sign off this highway, and I know the general area that this happened in. Uh, cuz I remember when I was little seeing the sign lit up by the, uh, car lights, um, By the lamps.

And I could see that it was an exit for Philadelphia, Mississippi. So not very shortly after we passed that exit. Now keep in mind, it was around, uh, 8 50, 8 55 in the evening. It was summer and it was getting dark. It had just gotten dark and we’re, we’re going down the highway and outta nowhere, this very bright fiery object flies in front of our vehicle.

I felt stunned. I felt afraid and very confused. Uh, my grandmother was very outta sorts and the next thing we knew, uh, we were probably about an hour away from their house at this point. Uh, and we should have gotten there by 10 o’clock, but it was close to midnight when we actually got there. How can that.

Uh, I got very sick to my stomach. I, I got, I threw up, uh, I, I was very sick. I was fine the next day, but, um, experiences like this, that I’ve had a lot of times they’re followed up by other types of phenomenon. Uh, like for example, uh, I had a UFO siding when I was older and, um, I was having this UFO siding almost every night for about two months, one summer.

And, um, I had a witness, my partner, Greg that’s on my show. Uh, he’s one of my co-hosts and my partner, uh, Greg, I, I, we got, we used to work together and I, when we got off, when we were about to get off work, I asked him, I told him what I’d been seeing. Uh, I told him what’s been happening and he agreed that when we closed up shop, we were gonna go, he was gonna follow me back to my house and, and come.

Well, he did. And sure enough, it wasn’t within five minutes of him staying there. This object manifested, uh, in the horizon, not too distant horizon and it seemed to have the ability to implode and then reappear somewhere else in another area of space. So later that night after he, after all the, the event, uh, transpired, um, I had a brief, uh, what a akin to a Poulter, uh, outbreak in the house I was living at the time.

So, I mean, there’s a lot of things that could, that I’ve seen personally. Um, uh, that’s just a couple of my experiences that I remember where I had some other Paran types of paranormal phenomenon associated. There would be associated with parapsychology, including, uh, a sort of telepathic. Idea projection into my head, like, come with us, like in the first experience I told you about it wasn’t it was not a language that it was used towards.

It was ideas, like come with us, stuff like that,

[00:20:42] Jeremiah: kind of like, um, yeah, they just put the thought in your head kind of thing. It’s not like actual like speech or talking. You just kind of know, is that how it was. .

[00:20:56] Mark: Yeah. I mean, it’s just like, it’s really hard to describe. They’re not your thoughts and what scares me about what, the thing that kind of creeps me out about that is I’ve also studied some demonology and that kind of sounds like possession in a way, but it wasn’t, I know I wasn’t demonically possessed or anything, but it’s kind of similar to that.

Uh you’re you’re someone else’s consciousness is operating in your mind, it being projected to you or whatnot.

[00:21:21] Jeremiah: Now, have you, um, tried to go through like the hypnotherapy or regression. Hmm.

[00:21:31] Mark: So that’s a good question. Um, I’m a Mo member of Mohan. and we’re starting up, uh, here in Georgia. We’re starting up.

We’re actually about, uh, me and, uh, some other, well, this, this one of my fellow members, I should say, this is his, his, uh, group that he’s starting and I’m, I’m gonna, uh, I’m. I might be assisting with it. Uh, it’s an experience’s group and, um, As far as, before I made, I have not made a decision on whether I want to try hypno, hypno, regression.

Um, it’s kind of one of those things like, do I, do I want to add trauma to this? Do I, you know, is it gonna really screw me up? You know, is it, do I really wanna know what happened? Because a lot of the cases I’ve already studied already. Uh, most of them weren’t very.

[00:22:19] Jeremiah: yeah, it’s one of those double edged swords.

It’s like, do I want to know or will it make things worse or, uh, yeah, I understand that completely. Um, cuz like you said, a lot of the stories I’ve heard from David Jacobs and all that is like, yeah, the people have terrible experiences, but of course their memories are pretty much wiped until they go through.

regression or whatever. So, yeah, I was just curious if, if you were planning on doing that to try to get some answers, but maybe you don’t want to get the answers.

[00:22:58] Mark: I don’t know I’m gonna prayerfully consider it, but at the same time, um, one of the reasons why I wanna be involved with this, uh, group, uh, is because one thing it’ll give me a direct in my face insight.

I’ve I’ve studied tons and tons of, of Abdu abduction cases. Over the years, I’ve had, uh, I had Kathleen Martin on my show twice, a couple, two or three times, and we talked about Betty and Barney heard that, you know, her aunt and uncle Betty and Barney hill, we talked about a lot of stuff. She ran and experienced her group along with this lady named den Denise stoner, uh, who I also had on my show.

Um, and they were, they ran that for a while in Florida. Down in Florida, uh, for, and, and separately from Mohan.

[00:23:45] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s definitely interesting that Benny and Barney hill case is, um, pretty dang. Um, well, I believe it, but I’m saying it’s pretty hard to dispute their case. Uh, if you’re like a denier or whatever,

[00:24:04] Mark: if you’re a Michael Shermer or a Philip Glass, understood.

Yeah. You know, you know, it’s, it is funny, you know, I, I catch my, you know, every once in a while, um, I like to listen to Joe Rogan. He’s he’s I like the way he does his podcast. There’s the chill environment, the, the campfire style conversation, kinda like we’re having right now. Um, very similar. Um, but, uh, I saw him, uh, when he interviewed, um, uh, he interviewed, he had several really good interviews.

I recommend people checking out. One was Dan Aroy, uh, the actor. Um, and he’s very interested in the paranormal, um, in real life. And, uh, the other one was Bob Lazar and that was just probably one of the best interviews, more detailed and descriptive and brutally honest interviews I’ve seen. And I, I tend to believe his story.

I tend to lean that.

[00:24:53] Jeremiah: Yeah, I think I’ve heard at least sections of that, Bob Laar one. Um, I have to go back and listen to the whole thing again, but yeah, I’ve always liked Joe Rogan myself. Like I just like how he’s the same type of way where he just gives people a platform to talk. And, um, it’s not really like geared towards one thing or the other.

It’s kind of like, just tell me your experience. And, uh, like I, I listen to a ton of. One’s about like people’s iowaska trips and stuff and, um, yeah, that kind of stuff like really fascinates me, like,

[00:25:30] Mark: yeah, me too. It does me too as well.

[00:25:33] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve never done it and I’ve been to Peru, but I went to like, do the, um, see all the ruins and stuff like that.

And I’m actually going back to Peru in like two weeks. And. I, I won’t be doing iowaska, but I’ll be looking at the ruins again. I hope to get footage so I can make like a short documentary or something of like all the weird stuff there that just doesn’t make sense for like traditional history.

[00:26:02] Mark: Yeah. AB I I’m fascinated.

I’ll tell you what, man. I’m really fascinated with the NASCA. Uh, the, the NASCA lines is, is very mysterious. You know, who, how the. Did they get those things done as, as, as accurately and as, and as they have, it’s just incredible.

[00:26:20] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then also why, like, they won’t be able to see it from the ground. So what were they doing?

Were they, I’m not saying like instantly it’s aliens, but like why would they create that? They can’t even like admire their own work.

[00:26:38] Mark: Yeah. And, and, you know, there’s a lot, there are other possibilities about that, but at the end of the day, um, it speculated they did it to, to honor their gods in some way.

And who knows? I mean, there’s a, there’s, there’s evidence, there’s some, some evidence out there to support that some kind of non-human intelligence has, uh, has operated and interacted with us for at least a couple thousand years. And I find it very interest.

[00:27:04] Jeremiah: So through, uh, your research and everything and people you’ve talked to and stuff like that.

I know I’m in the camp of aliens being interdimensional. Um, and I know there’s a small group of people who think the same. Um, what’s your take on the whole alien thing? Do you think they’re from outer space, you think they’re interdimensional or are they kind of like a mix of both?

[00:27:32] Mark: Okay, so I’ll start with this.

I got a friend of mine. He’s actually, uh, a, a member of moan. His name is Joseph Jordan, and he joined moan decades ago. I want, I’m just practicing with this, but he joined moan many years ago and he started a sort of like an experiences type group as well. This is back in like the night early nineties. I think it was.

um, I’ve got his book. He, he gave, he sent me a copy of his book, but, um, at any rate, um, he did a lot of research and he started seeing some anomalies that were popping up in this research. Now some of this had religious overtones, which, uh, is hard for a lot of, is a pill, hard pill for a lot of people to swallow.

But, um, at any rate, Um, there, there are some cases there’s a, a pretty decent amount of cases that were reported to that, uh, that he investigated over the years. Or he, he was, uh, told by, uh, people who had, uh, experiences different, these types of contact experiences with, uh, non-human intelligence of some kind.

And they seem to not like the whole, uh, mention in God’s name or Christ name or whatever, or YWA or whatever. Your belief system is, uh, they didn’t like that at all. And the, um, the experience was terminated, uh, through using that, uh, that technique. Um, I actually had a very similar experience one time, uh, which I can talk about, uh, later, if you ever want me to.

Um, but at any rate, um, there’s a, uh, I, I tend to leave towards the interdimensional theory. It’s a mixed bag. Think there’s a lot of things at play here. I think that there. Different types of entities that are interacting with us. Um, a guy, I had a guy named Howard storm on my program. He was on salt mysteries, um, and Howard had a near death experience.

Uh, he ended up in a very hellish place, uh, that was kind of wrapped up in our dimension in some way. Uh, he was out of his body fully and, uh, people were ripping him to shreds and he was, and it got dark and. He had, and then turned into a very positive experience. And he was there with our creator one on one, and he was asking God, all these questions.

And then they got to the, the whole, I asked, I looked at him dead in the eye. I said, I said, Mr. Storm, what about aliens? He said that God told him. uh, or the, be the Supreme being whatever you prefer that told him that yes, there showed him all these examples of different types of beings he’s created throughout dimensions and space and everything.

And said, but the ones that were interacting with mankind at this point are up to no good. That’s what he said. So, you know, these could be aliens. These could be. Um, but I think that they’re, they would most certainly have to be interdimensional in nature because, uh, you could call ’em alien.

You can call ’em interdimensional beings. You can call ’em whatever you want to call ’em. Uh, but the, the facts are this. We don’t know where the heck they come from or who they really. That is a fact, uh, we could be dealing with fallen angels in some cases, uh, we could be dealing with, um, each BA, uh, bad ETS.

We could be dealing with some sort of bio. I think that some things are biological Androids, uh, specifically the grays. Uh, they don’t seem to have a very high intelligence of any kind. Uh, they just seem to be like a worker B type thing. Um, they’re there for one purpose and one purpose only that’s to, uh, drag your tail out bed or out of your car in broad daylight, and then in the evening, and do things to you that are can to rape torture and mutilation.

So interdimensional, uh, extra terrestrial, it’s all the same at the end of the day. I believe it is. Um, and I think that there may be something else at play here that more, even more sinister, uh, at play that’s that’s involved with these.

[00:31:29] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s kind of crazy to me, cuz like, if you just look at it one way or something like that, you could be like, oh, there’s just from outer space.

There are space brothers or whatever. But then I think like while I listen to stories of people who have. Mushroom trips or iowaska journeys or all these different things. And they will legit tell you they’ve met like gray type aliens on these trips that they’re having. And it would just make more sense to me, you know, maybe these be these whatever substances.

Are able to give people glimpses into these other realities, these other dimensions? Um, I don’t know. It’s just my take on it.

[00:32:21] Mark: Yeah. And is, I don’t think you’re, I think, I don’t think you’re off the beaten path at all. Very fascinating. And, uh, I have to, you know, I think I have to concede that that’s a definite possibility I’m, I’m open, we’re wide open to other possibilities.

Our, our motto is, is we listen to understand, not to listen, to respond. So that way, even if you disagree with their conclusions, you can still learn from other people.

[00:32:45] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. Have you heard of, um, well I’m sure you have, but, uh, LA Marzuk, he is totally on the, and he’s totally on the. Yeah, he’s totally in the camp of, uh, them being like demonic beings.

And, um, I think he has like documentary videos of like, um, implants and stuff, and he like prays on them, praise on them and they like disappear. So it’s just very interesting to me.

[00:33:20] Mark: absolutely. Um, I think, like I said, I think everybody’s at an important piece of, uh, the paranormal puzzle. Um, we also, now I’ll tell you this, um, there’s also, I’ve, I’ve had a lot of, I’ve had some other experiences that had, uh, various types of paranormal phenomenon.

It seem to be kind of a hosh positive of activity. I can, I can tell you talk about that a little bit. If you. yeah, yeah, go ahead. Um, when I was older, I was probably around 12, 13 years old. And, um, I had an experience one night. Uh, it was in the middle of the night or early morning. Uh, I’m not really sure what time it was, but it was in the middle of the night.

And I, I was about, you know, 12, 13 years. And I woke up and I, I could feel, I, I was paralyzed. I was, I felt like I was suffocating and I was paralyzed. I could see, but I couldn’t move my body or anything. But the weird thing about it was is there’s not, I was not laying on my bed. I could, I could not feel the bed underneath me, my pillow underneath.

I mean, it was, I was probably several feet levitating, both my bed. And when I woke up the next morning, I felt that I felt myself, uh, impact the bed and I slammed down the bed and I woke up at the following morning and there I had, what’s what they call scoop mark on my, uh, right wrist. And I’ve never had an injury there.

I’ve never been to the doctor. Uh, it looks like something, some kind of device or instrument just scooped a little piece of flesh off right here off my wrist. You can’t really see it cuz of the, my resolution’s kind of low my cam, but it’s there. I, I have a high resolution picture.

[00:35:02] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve heard about the scoop marks and then there’s the, um, three dots that are like a pyramid kind of thing.

And, um, I’m sure there’s others. I can’t think of off the top of my head, but yeah, all these abductions, definitely. It seems to always start with like an examination type of thing. And, uh, a lot of it turns like, I say sexual, but I don’t mean like porn or having a having sex or whatever. It’s more like reproductive sexual.


[00:35:35] Mark: sometimes it is though.

[00:35:37] Jeremiah: Yeah. And yeah, the whole hybridization, um, and like hybrid babies and all that stuff. Like yeah. That stuff like really fascinates me and creeps me out at the same time. It’s like, it is what are doing.

[00:35:54] Mark: my, I have a theory on that, by the way, I actually have an I a hypothesis rather.

Um, what’s that it kind of takes us back to Genesis chapter five, uh, in the days of Noah, uh, or Genesis chapter six, I think it was six. Um, I believe that it’s very possible that what, what these entities are are doing is trying to replicate that in some. Uh, in the days of Noah, the sons of God came before the Lord and they lusted after the daughters of men, they took ’em as WIS.

And there may have, there may have been some sort of offspring, uh, between whatever the, the sons of gods are and, uh, these women and which, uh, I think what I believe possibly could have corrupted our gene pool, um, in, in some fashion with their, uh, ne or their giants. And, um, I, what I think may be going, what could be possibly happening right.

Right now with this is maybe what if they’re trying to, uh, get that experiment going and, you know, again, or in a different way, try to achieve a similar result.

[00:37:00] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s definitely possible. And something I’ve definitely thought about is like, and. I know a lot of people these days, like as soon as you mention, like religion, they’re like turned off and they’re like, oh, you’re just talking about that crazy religious stuff.

But like, if you take the dogma of religion out of it and just focus on the scripture and her, and it does line up pretty. Pretty, uh, pretty well because you have, like you said, the fallen angels, and then they went into the daughters of men and created the offspring, the NELI and all that. And yeah, it could be the same exact thing they’re trying to make, uh, this hybrid race or whatever.

And. A lot of times it seems to fail at it because from the, a lot of accounts I’ve heard about and looked into the babies always seem like sickly or weak, or something’s not right with them. They ask the person that they’re, they AB abducted to like, hold the baby close to them and, and love on it.

Like tell ’em like, oh, it’s a beautiful baby. Even if the woman is. Kind of disgusted by it and yeah, I definitely could see that being the case that, um, and I know it probably happened before, but it seems like was 1947, the Roswell crash seems to be like the kickoff point. Uh,

[00:38:38] Mark: yeah. Of the modern UFO era.

And as a, as an interesting side note, I’d like to add to that. If you don’t mind, 1947, ironically is the year that Aster Crowley died. Oh. And, um, Jack Parsch Hemond Jack Parsons and other people who was following, uh, his DIIC, uh, satanic type beliefs. Um, they performed ceremonies that when in one theory is they opened up some sort of veil where these entities came through, cuz he Crowley at one point, uh, claims that he had an encounter within being that he called LA L that’s Lima alpha, Mike.

And this entity looked very similar to what they call and what I saw in, in when I was a little, very little.

[00:39:22] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. That’s crazy. I actually didn’t know that but, um, yep. Yeah. I know about Crowley and how he’s evil and satanic. And he did a whole lot of like bad stuff while he was alive. And. Uh, I think I saw he got kicked out of Italy or something cuz he had this cult going on and

[00:39:44] Mark: he did, he, he, he had a cult going and uh, some people died.

I, from my understanding, uh, he was just, he was a loser. This guy was just a loser. I hate to say that I bet somebody, but that’s just the truth of the matter. Um, he let people die. He rumored to have murdered a few people, but I don’t know what there’s also rumors that he was like, they thought the whole, that whole thing was a big front, that he was like a spy for the British, uh, government, uh, spying on the, uh, uh, Germans.

Uh, during more war, I think one and two or at least one, I’m not sure if it was two, but anyways, there there’s all kinds of crazy rumors, but at the end of the day, it’s pretty obvious. The sky is a very wicked man.

[00:40:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. And the coincidence that , that when he died is when the whole alien like modern alien phenomenon, uh, started is pretty, uh, pretty crazy.

I’d never heard that one. So that’s something new, uh, for me. And then. I think also they’re messing with, um, portals and stuff at CERN over in Switzerland. I don’t know if you know about that, but, um,

[00:40:55] Mark: yeah, I really do. I’ve heard a little bit about it. I’m not, I don’t know a whole, I’m not on the up and up with that, but I’ve heard a little bit about it.

[00:41:02] Jeremiah: Yeah, so there’s a lot of weird stuff going on around cer and like when they reboot the machine, I think it back in like 2012. Uh, so I have an episode about CERN 2012 and how, um, a lot of people think our, I hate saying our world ended cuz like we’re still here, but the world that we knew. um, a lot, there’s a theory that when they rebooted CN in 2012, it kind of merged our reality with an alternate, um, like a parallel universe reality.

And I think that’s when the whole like Mandela effect thing really sprung up and people started like noticing things are not exactly how they remember. And, um, so yeah, it’s just another interesting thing that. You know, maybe they are over there and if you watch the like ceremonies they do, and the Godder tunnel conspiracy or the Godder tunnel opens ceremony and stuff like that, it’s just very strange.

And it doesn’t make any sense why they would, uh, perform those type of like acts or rituals or whatever. And unless they’re up to no good. .

[00:42:20] Mark: Yeah. I mean, it is, it’s very bizarre for sure. I mean, if you’re, if these are supposed to be nuts and bolt scientists, but you never know.

[00:42:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. So, yeah, it’s, uh, it’s crazy.

And you know, in the grand scheme of things from 1947 till now, uh, it’s really not a lot of time has passed. I mean, for us, because we. You know, we only live so many years. It seems like a long time, but, uh, in the grand scheme of the planet and everything, it’s such a short time. So, and then you see all the current events going on and stuff like that.

It’s like a lot of people are saying, yeah, we’re we’re are, were in the, uh, book of revelations or whatever. So

[00:43:10] Mark: now the book of Daniel.

[00:43:12] Jeremiah: Yeah. And. I, I say that to tie it in with the whole alien abduction thing and you know, what are they up to, or is this all part of the, what was written in the, you know, far past?

[00:43:29] Mark: Exactly. Yeah. You know, it is, it’s really interesting because, um, I had another experience one time. I think I wanna share with you. Um, if you, if you don’t mind. Yeah, go ahead. Um, this let’s go back to 1990. Uh, this is before, right? Not too long. Before I joined the military, I was invited to come to a party at someone’s house and they had a we award.

Now I wanna disclaim one thing. I do not recommend anybody under any circumstances ever mess around with the, a cult, what I call a cult objects like that, uh, very dangerous stuff. However, I was a skeptic at the time, you, I was very skeptical, uh, at that I haven’t woken up yet per se, where I started having these memories flooding back in, like I did in my mid twenties.

So, you know, I was just very skeptical about it. I didn’t think about anything that happened with my past really so much. I would just, all I cared about was girls and, you know, partying and this and that back then when I was really young. So we all, we all huddled around this little table and she had her OUIA board and on the, and then the plant chat was sitting there and, and I put my hands on fingers.

I laid my fingers on it. Very gently. Everybody else did. Then we had, uh, someone keeping notes. And there was some kind of force moving the plan chat. It was, it was, there was a type of force that was moving it around the type, the, uh, spirit board. And you could feel, it, it, it is, it is something I can’t describe.

It is just some kind of, uh, probably pre and natural, uh, force that was moving this plan, chat all over the board. You know, I wasn’t drunk. I wasn’t stoned. Uh, I wasn’t, I wasn’t, uh, on any kind of sub I maybe had one beer, maybe a beer. Uh, I was, I was very sober. I was very clear minded. Um, and it kept telling me to go answer the door.

Um, I went to the door and there were someone standing there. Like we could, we didn’t hear anybody pull up or anything. It’s just, they have a very, very long driveway. um, so you couldn’t hear someone pull it up. It’s just too far away. Well, low and behold, there was someone staying there when I opened the door.

No doorbell rang or anything. Well, a little bit later, it tells me to go answer the door again. Well, keep in mind, this is in the middle of summer, the dead heat of summer. And it’s like, you know, in the nineties, it’ very hot stifling and humid eeping. As I opened the door, there was nobody. But as I, after I opened the door and I stood there for a second, I felt this brusher really called air, hit me and it, and it put, it brought chills all over my body and they, we communicated, we, we started, we kept communicating with whatever this entity was, uh, at the time.

And then finally, I just like, you know, I’m, this is boring. I’m going home. Even though I was pretty, I was a little creeped out by the things that were happening. Um, I was just, I kind of got to the point where I was just like, you know, I had to go outta town the next day I wanted to go home and, and I, you know, I’d seen enough of it, you know, I believed it, you know, so I’m driving home and I lived on the other side of this estate neighborhood.

I’m driving home and there was these, uh, very tall street lamps, uh, on both sides of the road. And as I approached each set of street lamps, the lamp would, would turn. And as I, as I moved past it, uh, they would come back. I looked in my rear view mirror. They would go, come back on. Uh, this happened the whole way home from one side of this big neighborhood to another I, and as I, when I got home, I immediately, I felt really tired.

I got really, really tired and kind of agitated. And I wanted just to lay down and I immediately went to this really deep sleep. And as I was laying there, sleep. I had a, this vision, something akin to a, it was like a lucid dream or a vision or something is very, very powerful and intense and real. And in that dream, these two girls that was at the house were, were, were, they were kneeling in front of the board with the plant chat in the middle of the oui board spin really, really fast by itself.

And then the suddenly the. Um, plane chat flies off the table. The girls look like they’re in a trance of some kind. And as right as that flies off the table, I, I woke up and I sat up and there was what looked like an alien gray or something staying right next to my bed. I don’t know. That’s what I saw.

[00:48:04] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s another like weird phenomenon too. And I know a lot of like scientists say. All day alien abduction phenomena is just sleep paralysis, which I think is hog wash. Cuz people get abducted in daylight and in their car and, and they’re not sleeping. So it can’t be sleep paralysis for all those cases.

So you can’t have

[00:48:31] Mark: sleep paralysis. Driving car in broad daylight. Darrell SIM says, has told me, uh, straight up that, uh, almost 60% of abductions occur in broad day. . Yeah,

[00:48:41] Jeremiah: so, I mean, that’s just the way they can try to discredit the whole thing. But what I was trying to say is like, um, there is another phenomenon with, I guess, sleep paralysis where, um, people see.

Demonic type beings, as soon as they like start to wake up, um, or if they get startled awake and there’s actually, what’s her name? The famous artist right now, Billy Eilish. She, um, she had an experience. She said that, um, one of her music videos is kind of about it and she woke up and there was. Like dark, demonic figure type of thing at the foot of her bed.

And she goes on talking about this whole experience and it just reminded me of what you just said when you had that, um, experience. So, you know, it could just be another, like I said, with the hallucinogens, like Luno gens, like it could just be another. Way that brains get tapped into something else that we are not really supposed to experience.

Um, maybe when you get startled outta sleep, it’s still not clicked into this world yet. I don’t know. Uh, and probably sound crazy, but

[00:50:01] Mark: not at all. I believe as a matter of fact, I’ll take that a step further. what if, what if to feature this? So what if our brains are simply a, like a biological processor and nothing else may, because para a lot of parapsychologists now are suggesting that maybe just maybe our conscious is remote and broadcasted to us and linked to us with like a cord or something.

I don’t know. Yeah. I’ve heard that too.

[00:50:28] Jeremiah: Makes sense. Yeah, I’ve definitely heard that, that we’re. we’re just the, um, I don’t know what you would call it. We’re just like the televisions and we’re receiving the signals, like

[00:50:41] Mark: an avatar.

[00:50:42] Jeremiah: Yeah. Like avatar. Yep. And, um, you know, a lot of that stuff. And I was talking with someone earlier and, um, we said how, it’s funny, how.

One thing will lead into another thing into another thing. And soon you have like a whole spider web worth of stuff that you never thought would fit together, but it ends up fitting together. Once you start looking at everything together instead of separated.

[00:51:12] Mark: Definitely. Um, do we go to a breaker or do you just keep, continue going through you plow through?

[00:51:20] Jeremiah: I usually just go until we’re done talking. Okay. But if you

[00:51:26] Mark: need a break, you can, I need to use the bathroom really quick. Is that cool?

[00:51:30] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s fine. I’ll just edit it out.

[00:51:33] Mark: All right. I’m I’m sorry about that. No, you’re fine. I, the, I, the way I do when I do my, um, I’m, I’m my IMM used to doing it a different way.

I’m I apologize for messing that up. Sorry about that. Oh, no, you’re

[00:51:44] Jeremiah: fine. Yeah. Cuz my unusual only lasts about an hour, so.

[00:51:50] Mark: Okay, well, um, I’ll be right back in one minute.

[00:51:53] Jeremiah: Yep. No problem.

[00:52:01] Mark: Okay.


All right, man. Sorry about that. I I’m trying to get over some kidney stones and, uh, I’m afraid it’s played health, my urinary tract and whatnot. Oh yeah.

[00:52:48] Jeremiah: I’ve been there before. yeah, I’ve definitely been there

[00:52:53] Mark: before. How would you like to wrap this up? What do you, where do you, where do you wanna take it till the end of the segment?

[00:53:00] Jeremiah: Um, uh, I don’t even know. Usually I just like ask my guests to plug their stuff, like where they can be found and, and all that stuff.

[00:53:14] Mark: okay. So, um, this has been a really awesome conversation, man. I appreciate you, uh, having me on today. We are actually, um, I, you can find, I just wanna give a, give a shout out to, uh, every, all your audience and, uh, I really appreciate you letting me on today.

Um, you could, we can be found project Stargate, friends research is on Facebook. Uh, we’re also on, uh, Spotify, uh, audio only. And, uh, also check out our YouTube channel, which you can watch on your smart TV with the YouTube. and, um, this has been great, man. I appreciate it.

[00:53:56] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. I like talking to like minds and, uh, even if I don’t agree completely with someone, I can at least see their point of view and their perspective.

And, um, and then, you know, maybe can shift my. Uh, belief or shift someone else’s I don’t know, but at least have the opportunity to talk and not be censored or be, uh, create treated like a. You know, crazy person or

[00:54:28] Mark: something. Yeah, no kidding. And, and I think a lot of us have, have caught that kind of flack.

Um, uh, maybe some other time maybe, um, maybe if you have some time we can talk, I can tell you all about the, uh, coal mountain triangle. I’ve discovered it, it’s an area in north Georgia that, um, goes from Dawsonville to, uh, coming and then up to LJ and then back down. And it’s synonymous with lots of different types of Paran phenomenon, even a satanic cold as.

oh, wow. And I can talk about we’ll definitely, I’d be happy to talk about that sometime.

[00:55:00] Jeremiah: Yeah. We’ll definitely have to get into that. And I still, I don’t live that far from Georgia, so I’m hoping to get down there and see the Georgia Guidestones and all that good conspiracy stuff. So

[00:55:12] Mark: yeah, you oughta come.

We’re gonna be doing an expedition, some expeditions out in the coal mountain triangle. Maybe you can come out and hang out with us and, and, and explore the unknown with us. So. That’d be

[00:55:20] Jeremiah: great. Oh yeah, definitely. You’ll have to let me know. Um, and when it is, obviously I’ll be in Peru, uh, most of July, so, but, um, yeah, definitely.

I’m down for that. And down to talk again and talk more about, you know, the paranormal and stuff that you won’t find on your major programming.

[00:55:44] Mark: Yeah. And that’s what it’s all about. People. That’s where people like us coming into play. You know, that that’s our job, you know? Uh, I have, I have celebrity guests on my show.

I have people that no one’s ever heard of in my show. And these are all just as important. These stories are all just as important to me.

[00:55:59] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. And the more people I can talk to the better for me, cuz I learn things every, every episode that I do and I just like hearing. From other people and people who have experiences that I’ve never had, or have, uh, research that I don’t have.

And, you know, I don’t claim to know everything. So it’s good to have people who are like, well researched on, uh, different topics, cuz you know, I mainly focus on like the ancient past and aliens and UFOs and abductions and. But then I have big foot researchers on so I can learn about that. And then I’ve like did a episode with a medium talking about that and the lady ghost Buster.

So yeah. I like to, to hit different things and I like to learn and I’m constantly reading and learning. So it’s fun.

[00:56:59] Mark: well, you’ve certainly done a fine job of it and keep up the great work.

[00:57:03] Jeremiah: Oh yeah. Thank. Uh, thanks for coming on. And, uh, we’ll definitely, uh, catch up again.

[00:57:10] Mark: That’s my pleasure, man. Thank you for, for having me.

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[00:00:00] April: Yeah, nothing happened. Yes. Welcome back. Hello and welcome to power and perspective. I am April. This is Erin and we reframe conversations, including those about technical difficulties with empathy and humor. Remember that empathy, empathy, and humor. Uh, today we’re talking about Ailey Yens, um, with Jeremiah.

Welcome Jeremiah. Thank you for joining us officially this time.

Do you remember? Jeremiah is our resident alien expert. Uh, and as, as we do first, we’re going to share our perspectives, um, by alien perspective, my perspective as an alien or on aliens,

[00:00:44] Aaron: I mean, you are dressing already terrestrial who is the little bit extra.

[00:00:50] April: Oh my gosh. That should be a.

[00:00:54] Aaron: No. I mean, I wouldn’t know.

I haven’t

[00:00:56] Jeremiah: seen him make a shirt

[00:00:58] April: like that. Right. I’m a terrestrial. Oh, that’s a little bit extra O M G. This has to have.

[00:01:05] Aaron: Okay.

[00:01:09] April: So, uh, I would say my perspective on aliens is. Uh, I teach science as you all know. So I’m clearly an expert on all things, and there are a lot of stars out there. And if every star is a sun with the capability of possibly having an earth, statistically, I would say, oh, look, there’s a

[00:01:30] Jeremiah: cat.

[00:01:33] April: Okay.

Statistically, I would say that there has to be other life, right there really has to be another. That’s that’s, this is the extent of my knowledge of aliens. Uh, I also think like conspiracy theory wise, people can’t keep secrets. So if there was actual proof, when we, like, we would know it, somebody commented on Facebook that, that the government has already said there is extra terrestrial life, but I don’t, I must have missed that tweet.

I don’t know.

[00:02:03] Jeremiah: I think that government recently said that they acknowledge UFO’s are real phenomenon. They’re not sure exactly what it is, but they released it during the beginning of the pandemic that they kind of slid it in there with the pandemic stuff and stuff.

[00:02:23] April: We’re going to give you a thousand dollars every, and also BTW aliens are real.

[00:02:28] Jeremiah: That’s exactly how it happened, which

[00:02:30] Aaron: is, I mean, I mean, it could just be a misdirect. So that we’re all, we’re all talking about that now, instead of talking about anything pertinent. Cause I mean, I mean just the nature of a UFO, right. It’s an identified. So it could still also be anything.

[00:02:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. But they definitely said that yes, there is something going on with UFO’s but yeah, it was kind of like slipped in there and no one really paid that much attention.


[00:03:04] April: I clearly didn’t. I was busy collecting my checks.

I’m straight up ghetto with my giant nondescript and collected my check. I’m a teacher. You think I don’t pay taxes. C’mon like half my y’all get half of my paycheck and

[00:03:25] Aaron: it, it, it it’s, it’s a whole other thing, right? When we’re talking about extra trip, extra terrestrial life being a statistical inevitability.

Like on a fundamental level, right. That there’s nothing special about earth, fundamentally

[00:03:38] April: speeding, nothing special. Just that there’s so many stars that could there, like statistically there were, I would imagine half to be.

[00:03:47] Aaron: That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. There’s nothing special about earth. Yeah. That’s what I mean.

[00:03:51] April: It’s but I say, by saying those words, those are hurt. I’m offended. I’m offended as a terrestrial,

[00:03:59] Aaron: sort of the religious argument against.

Helio centrism, Darren, that earth is special. And we have, I mean, I read the only thing I’ve got is I read a lot of scifi and I spent a lot of time thinking about things like the fair paradox, um, which is the paradox between the inevitability of extra trust of your life. And the fact that we’ve had no interactions with.

[00:04:30] April: Uh, well, we don’t know if we’ve had interactions. Yeah. Us

[00:04:34] Aaron: as a society. We don’t know, like, as, as, as humans don’t know, not any one person does know. And you don’t know, but we, as a collective don’t know, or haven’t

[00:04:47] April: had, we’re fairly young, we’re fairly young species as species go.

[00:04:55] Aaron: Yeah, theoretically. I mean, I have no, I have no real context other than looking at him sensor monkeys or I

[00:05:02] April: wasn’t there.

Uh, and Katie says we’re all special

[00:05:08] Aaron: and that’s one of the, one of the resolutions to the Fermi paradox is that earth is an early bloomer so that we, maybe we are the first civilization to have,

[00:05:20] April: uh,

[00:05:24] Aaron: And maybe we are yet to find or something like that has happened, but it doesn’t address it. Doesn’t address what we’ve seen here on earth.

Right? Like if we’ve had close encounters or if there were a UFO. Yeah. I think

[00:05:37] April: that’s a good point though. I never thought of that. That we could be the newest, I never thought of that.

[00:05:45] Jeremiah: Yeah. A lot of scientists like to say we’re like the caveman of the universe, but what if it’s the opposite? What if we did space flight first, then other planets or primitive.


[00:06:01] April: We always like to think we’re the dominant. Well, not, we don’t like to think that, but that’s, what’s portrayed right? That the

[00:06:06] Aaron: science is humble.

[00:06:09] April: Yeah. They, we portrayed, like they always make those memes too. Like the aliens drove by and said, oh, don’t stop in that bad neighborhood. I’m hilarious.

Yeah. So that’s a good point. W what are the

[00:06:25] Aaron: thoughts about interaction with humanity, Jeremiah, that you have, do you, do you believe in, uh, close encounters on earth and that we’ve had interactions? Okay.

[00:06:33] April: We haven’t even asked what his beliefs on aliens are.

[00:06:37] Aaron: I’ll step back from the beginning ceremony.

[00:06:41] Jeremiah: Yeah.

So I started getting into like conspiracies and stuff. Um, after I had a near-death experience back in like, oh nine, I think it was. And obviously one of the first things you go to is like aliens and UFO’s and stuff like that. And I just went down the rabbit hole, so to speak. W looked at and researched a whole bunch of stuff.

And even before that, I’ve been, uh, into like the show X-Files and unsolved mysteries was a big thing back in the day. And they had specials about, um, aliens and UFO’s, so I’ve always had an interest for it. Um, now my views of it have changed over time. And like what they are and what is going on has changed.

So I guess we can get into that if you want to. But as of now, I personally believe that they are not so much extra terrestrial, but they’re like interdimensional and. They don’t actually come from other planets, but they come from some type of parallel universe or some other dimension or something. And a lot of their behavior is very, um, matches that theory to me personally, like the fact that they can, their craft moves in ways that our modern craft would never be able to do the fact that they can pull people out of the.

Houses or rooms through the walls and stuff like that. And the missing time that people talk about and stuff like that, it just makes more sense to me after doing all the research that they’re actually not from like outer space, so to speak, but more from a parallel dimension. And they found a way to.

Rip through the fabric and like enter our world and leave our world at will is my guess.

[00:08:59] April: So I have which probably an ignorant question, because I know just enough to be that dumb. So I had, I have to find him a piece of paper. So we had, I had an astronomer come and talk to my class and he talked about, for example, Black holes and things like that.

I can’t even keep a piece of paper in my hand. He talked about black holes and things like that and how it was just like a bend in space and time, like, like this is universe and like that’s the universe on black hole, like the universal on drugs, but that’s the universe on black hole. Um, like, so it makes sense that.

Even if it is from another place, but it’s not only from another place and time. Right. That makes so much sense.

[00:09:50] Jeremiah: Yeah. It could be that too. Um, I don’t discount any theory, but my personal belief is that there, there from a parallel dimension is my guess. Um, some people like to take that theory. On the religious side and say like they’re demons or whatever.

And then there’s other people that just think they’re like from another galaxy in another parallel universe or something. And then there are other people that think that they’re time travelers from the future that are coming back to do tests on us and stuff like that. But I don’t know what I believe as far as all that.

I just have a feeling. It just explains a lot to me that their spacecraft can just blink out in a second and how fast they go. And I’ve heard accounts of people getting abducted from their bedrooms and the aliens or the grays as most of them are called. Um, just carry them out of their room, like through the wall and up into the spaceship.

It makes more sense than like a physical, like worldly being to me personally. So

[00:11:18] April: like, this is so I love when science right. Crosses what we consider. Quote unquote, woo. I don’t like that word, but when we cross the science, like astronomy talks all the time about, uh, Ben Ben’s in time and time. Not being a real thing and that we have constructed.

So this time thing is super interesting and like them being matter from a different time, like if your matter from a different time, you may not, your now physical being may not resemble what you was symbol in real time. Right.

[00:11:58] Jeremiah: It’s possible. Um, it’s really hard to say. I just know that there’s countless accounts of people saying they’ve got abducted and they were like on a road and their power stopped and they get abducted.

And then it’s three hours later and they come to, and they don’t know what happened the last three hours of their life. And it would make sense to me. That if they get sucked into a different dimension or something like that, it would account for all that time that was missing. But the time on earth might be a few seconds, but on the other parallel universe or whatever, it might be like three hours long.


[00:12:50] April: That makes sense. Eight. Aaron, are you thinking anything you were having your facial things

[00:12:54] Aaron: happen, settled down there? Um, well, so I’m thinking, I’m thinking about it in the context of like the, and it’s a little bit of a stretch of like the multiuniverse theory, right? Like thinking about the possibility of alternate human development, um, in, in the way that you’re talking about it being another dimension, like if there’s another dimension where humans.

Technology and an alternative alternative way. And that might be part of what we’re experiencing in those situations. I’m just thinking a lot.

[00:13:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause like you have, you have a lot of top scientists like Michio Kaku and um, there some others, I can’t think of their name off the top of my head, but a lot of top scientists that are way smarter than me, um, believe that there are. You know, Malter mult multiple, um, universes that parallel ours. So like I, whatever job I do here in the other universe, I might be doing something completely, completely different.

So, and who’s to say it’s even humans from another universe, they could be something else. And that’s another thing that I’ve found through my research. The typical graze, the typical aliens that people think of that like three foot tall, big guys, like little to no mouth type of a alien. I don’t really think that they are completely biological.

I think that they might be mechanical in nature or some kind of like Androids that are. To perform tasks. Um, now whether it’s from outer space or my theory of another dimension, I’m not a hundred percent sure, but it’s just, uh, something I’ve really thought about and kind of buy into is that they’re not actually biological entities, that they’re more of like a Android.

Drone type of thing that’s sent to perform these abductions and cattle mutilations and all this other stuff that’s going on. So

[00:15:21] April: that’s so interesting. We always think, because we’re so focused on like what we are ready, experienced, and, uh, caught. I was thinking of a word. For example, this is just mildly related.

So I’m teaching the kids this week about personification, right? Where we put this is an educational podcast as well, profound personification, where you put human characteristics on inanimate objects and even on animals. And we do that so much as humans because we assume everything is like us, right?

We’re like, oh, the dog is sad because he looks like this. When people are sad, they look like that. So that must be, you know, when dogs are sad, they look like that. So we put so much of what we know on to other things, and it makes more sense that we do that for alien life or extra terrestrial life as well.

Whereas it might not be the case. Um, yeah, I’m so much thinking Aaron’s space thinks more. My mouth thinks more,

[00:16:21] Jeremiah: um, Um, the problem we have with our human condition is that we like to view everything through our personal lens. And it’s hard for people to think outside of the box and accept things that might not fall in line with, you know, what our view of the world and everything is.

So I like to try to think outside of the box and try. Think of other ways that it might be, um, that things might be so, you know, most people think aliens just come from outer space where I’m like, well, what if they’re not from outer space? What if they’re from a parallel dimension or universe or something?

I just think we do ourselves, but disservice by just falling in line with our like view of the world as humans. Instead of, you know, things might not be as they are. Like to our knowledge,

[00:17:31] Aaron: what I mean, it’s all the time it’s co it’s coming. It’s common everywhere. I mean, it’s the way, and it makes me wonder if, if the other beings don’t have a similar construct, right?

Maybe that’s why they’re here. Um, is that when you perceive things like all you have, the only information you have is what, you know. So you even put that on to other people, you meet, you assume everybody kind of understands what you’ve been through and is in a similar place that you are when nothing could be further from the.

So it, it, it makes me curious. Like, if, if that’s, what, if that’s what that’s about, if that’s why those contacts are happening, trying to expand knowledge outside of the limited scope that they might have in their, in their current environments,

[00:18:17] Jeremiah: it’s possible. I’m, uh, I’m still intrigued by the whole abduction phenomenon and.

All the cattle mutilations and stuff like that, that many researchers have documented. Um, like what is their grand purpose of these abductions if they are really happening? Um, if they seem to be a lot of the abductions seem to be, um, geared towards like, um, reproduction and sexual, uh, nature, not in the sense of.

Um, they’re trying to make a porn or something, but like sexuality as in your private parts and your reproduction, uh, how it works and all that stuff. So yeah, a lot of abduction stories and people that have said they have been abducted, whether it’s true or not, I’m just going by, based on what they say.

Um, a lot of it has to do. Them trying to create some type of hybrid, uh, alien being. And a lot of it is like humans, intermingling with the aliens and creating like half half-breed children and stuff like that. It’s just very interesting to me if it’s really happening. Like, I’m not sure if it is or not.

[00:19:49] April: Yeah, Katie asks, have you met someone who, who you believe has been abducted? Have you ever met anyone?

[00:19:56] Jeremiah: Um, not personally. I just listened to a lot of podcasts and read a lot of books. So, um, just from other things I’ve heard, um, I used to listen to coast to coast am it’s, uh, like I guess conspiracy type radio.

And a lot of their stuff was about aliens and abductions. And so hearing the people from the call in section of the show and the guests that they had on just soaking in everything that was said, just really peaks my interest because I’m like, if this is really happening, what’s the end goal. Like what is their end goal?

Like. Eventually going to wipe us out and put this new hybrid race in or, um, are they just curious, like, it’s, it kind of makes you wonder if it’s really happening, what their purpose our bowl is.

[00:21:02] Aaron: Well, as a, as an absolute Sinek, I’ll bring in my absolute central point here is that, um, and, and this may be limited, but, uh, survival is, is an economic game essentially.

And we explore in order to better sustain ourselves. Um, and historically speaking is led to war and all kinds of awful things. But if you were to. Find a new species that you wanted to eradicate determining its reproductive habits would probably be a good starting point.

[00:21:39] Jeremiah: True.

[00:21:42] Aaron: Yeah. True. If they need an R if they, if they came here initially, because they needed resources that they, they don’t have available to them

[00:21:51] Jeremiah: now there’s theories.

There’s theories that, um, they. Are here because they can no longer reproduce something happened in their evolutionary, um, journey or whatever. So now they’re trying to find ways to reproduce, to replenish their own population. Um, then there’s other theories where they’re planning to populate the earth with these hybrid beings and wipe out the.

Like quote unquote, normal humans. That’s another theory. Um, there’s a ton of theories with aliens out there. Cause obviously we don’t know the true answer. Um,

[00:22:39] April: do you think aliens are already on earth?

[00:22:42] Jeremiah: Um, yes I do. Um, if they are. I never want to say for a hundred percent certainty, that things are real.

Yeah. I haven’t met one until I meet one.

[00:22:54] April: You don’t know if

[00:22:55] Jeremiah: you’ve met one? True. I might’ve, I might’ve met a hybrid one. I have met some weird people in my life,

[00:23:03] April: but

[00:23:05] Jeremiah: while there’s, you know, there’s stories of underground bases that how’s aliens like in Dulce, New Mexico. And supposedly our government is working with aliens down in that base and, um, stuff like that. So I don’t know, but I know that during war time, it seems that there was a ton of UFO activity during war time.

Like, um, When we dropped the bomb in Hiroshima and during the Nazi regime and different points of history with war, there seems to be a heightened, um, UFO activity. And some people think that they’re trying to manipulate the outcomes of wars and, and, or stop something worse from happening. So there’s a lot of UFO activity around like nuclear reactors and other, um, military installations.

And, you know, is, is it actual like aliens UFO’s or are they secret military vehicles or something? I don’t know, but it’s definitely been written about undocumented about that. Heighten UFO activity during times of war and different things that might shape our future differently. So some people theorize, the aliens are trying to contain us from annihilating ourselves.

And so

[00:24:52] April: I think if you look statistically at human thought though, like we always go to the negative. We always think apocalyptic time. So it’s like, we’re all gonna shoot each other there. I always say this. There’s no stories about. Crap. There’s another species against us. Let’s all bond together and do each other, like there’s no stories of that.

We always go to the negative. So it doesn’t mean it’s the case

[00:25:18] Aaron: and speaking to their motives, I is there, is there like in the community, is there a significant amount of, of people who believe that there are, uh, altruistic motive? Um, like you said, like preventing escalation to the point of eradicating human life, do they believe that there are altruistic motives?

[00:25:40] Jeremiah: Uh, for sure. There’s well, they’re on there’s people on both sides of the spectrum. There’s people that think that, um, Space aliens or whatever, um, are gonna end up saving humanity, um, by bringing us, you know, enlightenment and whatever technologies they have, but then there’s other, the other side that thinks that they’re going to wipe us all out eventually and, um, use the earth for other gains or that, um, There’s another one that we’re basically on an ant farm on earth, and they’re pretty much just using us as a SIM game type of thing.

And they’re just doing enough to keep us in line, but not enough to stop us from doing stupid stuff.

[00:26:38] April: So there’s definitely like what if we. The bacteria have a giant gut, right? Because our bacteria has its own Viome and it’s good. It’s like chugging along doing live. Right. What if we’re just gut biome of a giant there’s

[00:26:56] Aaron: potentially supportive of religious narratives.

Um, no, no, no. To, for it to be other potentially altruistic beings who are performing tests, if that’s how we were created, if we were created in that instance, it would be a check-in right. We’d be doing preventative maintenance for the lack of given way to put it.

[00:27:20] April: That’s an interesting duck. It also goes with what Monique said about animals, having the same thoughts when they’re captured, like from a Marine environment.

That has never been discovered before. And we capture the animal and we do tests on the animal. Like, do these animals have thoughts like this, but we kind of know more about their neurological capabilities from what we know. They don’t have the neurological capabilities, but heck what do we know? That’s what, that’s another shirt.

Heck what do we know?

[00:27:49] Jeremiah: Well, if you go to the religious side and throw religion in it, then there’s a group of people who think that. The aliens are actually like fallen angels or demons of some sort, and that they have quote unquote rule over the earth until God comes back. And then there’s that final battle of Armageddon and, um, things get settled.

So there is a religious aspect to it as well. Um, That these gray aliens are actually like some type of demons are fallen angels and they’re performing these tests on humans because they cannot reproduce or anything like that because they’re cast out of heaven or whatever. And they’re using us to try to make beings since they can’t create lifelike God that, um, They’re trying to use us to create life, but it seems to fail because a lot of stories I’ve heard through like just random people talking about their abductions, they’ve been shown, um, like hybrid babies that are like sick or dying or are already dead.

And, um, so it’s just another theory. Like no one knows for sure.

[00:29:23] April: Interesting. You would think if it wasn’t real though, right? Like that people would have different people would have different experiences, right? Like very different experience. It’s because there’s so many similarities and less, those people are like alien type people who do a lot of research before their abduction.

But if we have a lot of similarities of people who. They have not done this research have not been exposed to this information, although it’s difficult to determine that, especially on a wide scale, then there’s gotta be something to it. Even if it’s not the something we think there should, there’s probably something to it.

Uh, Jacob is very insistent upon knowing where you research your theories. I think it’s the second time he asked, where do you read?

[00:30:13] Jeremiah: Um, all my research is basically from like books on the topic. And a lot of podcasts, I listen to podcasts like all the time. So a lot of it’s from like coast to coast am, or, um, various, you know, fringe podcasts and stuff like that, because that’s basically where you find this stuff.

It’s not something you find on mainstream media because they don’t want to acknowledge any of this. Um, yeah, most of it’s from like that and just articles online and, um, hearing people’s testimonials on like call-in shows and, uh, a bunch of books that I have on the topic. And like I said, I’m not a hundred percent sure of anything, but I’m about me personally, about 90%.

Sure. That they are not from outer space, that they’re from a parallel dimension or universe. That’s just my personal belief from years of looking into this. So

[00:31:24] April: interesting.

[00:31:26] Aaron: So would there be in, in, in your opinion, do you think there would be a fundamental difference in interpreting their behavior if they are from a parallel dimension, as opposed to, uh, an interstellar being.

[00:31:41] Jeremiah: Um, probably cause right now you’re thinking about, or not you personally, but as a collective right now, you’re thinking about what planet are they from? Uh, where are they coming from? Can I beam a message out into space and get a message in return? Um, I think SETI has been doing that for quite some time.

Just blasting. Radio signals out in the space and hoping to get a response, but what if that’s a waste of time and money and resource? What if it’s better to find a way to rip the fabric of space-time and go to the alternate dimension or universe or whatever. Um, and I believe they’re trying to do something in certain.

To open some type of portal or something, but it’s a completely different, um, topic and show, but, um, yeah, just think if you waste all your time and energy and effort into looking into outer space, um, you might miss something that could be in a completely different direction.

[00:32:59] April: That sounds, I felt that statement like that.

That is like human. Human this at its core, you’re looking somewhere else. You missed something

[00:33:11] Jeremiah: like it’s totally my personal belief and my feeling. But, um, with Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos or whatever, spending millions or billions of dollars on flights out to Mars or whatever, why. Why don’t they use that money on things that we need here on earth?

Like why blow all that money on that? Getting to Mars or whatever. We have some, we have so many issues here that we can deal with and resolve with that type of money. But that’s just my, my little soap box that I I’m like. You’re wasting billions

[00:33:53] April: of dollars.

That the astronomer who came and spoke to my class, he was very up in arms about how much we spend on the Superbowl, which he’s like, it’s like $2 billion or something and they can get, they hardly get any funding for NASA to like, do these, this space for you to search or whatever. Um, just as a side note on how.

Sure primers.

[00:34:24] Jeremiah: Okay. Uh, yeah, I think the aliens got you

[00:34:31] Aaron: there.

[00:34:31] April: They’re in your waiting room.

Uh, Jordan aliens.

[00:34:38] Aaron: Well, I mean, it’s worth stating not to defend the Superbowl, but if, I mean, we’ve all met humans. If we weren’t all entertained, we’d probably be around. Like those are the two options. Sure. So I think it might be money well spent.

[00:34:55] Jeremiah: Yeah. If we don’t have entertainment, then it would be chaos. Probably it’s the same thing with the, the Romans through the gladiator games to keep the population quelled or whatever.

[00:35:11] April: As to why would the government high let’s see the government knows about this, that there’s aliens, whether they come from a different planet or a different time, what, why would the government hide it?

What’s the purpose behind hiding it?

[00:35:25] Jeremiah: Um, from what I’ve noticed is that they. Well, there’s different thoughts on it. It could be, they don’t want to create mass panic. It could be, they don’t want us to know that they have access to, um, other life forms. Because I mean, if you really honestly think about it, if they came out tomorrow and said, Hey, we’ve got aliens here and brought one out on stage.

Me personally would think that there would be like a huge chaos and collapse because like your religions of the world would crumble because people will be like, well, what the heck? And, um, you know, cause it’s not supposed to be. And I just think it would create so much problems if we actually knew a hundred percent, if there was a.

For real.

[00:36:30] April: So I now have, I literally just discovered this about myself. That’s how not religious I am is that I didn’t even think of religion and Monique. And you said that at the same time in the chat, they’re talking about people’s religions and core beliefs would be rock didn’t even cross my mind.

That’s how, you know, if you’re religious

[00:36:49] Jeremiah: and like you’ve heard like you, and I’m saying you as a collective, like people who aren’t religious. They don’t really feel like that would be an issue, but like you have some devout religious people that would, their world would be shattered if aliens trotted out on stage and was like, Hey, I’m here.

You know what I mean? Because there’s literally people that think that, um, there is, we’re the only life in the universe and the earth is flat and there was no, you know, so. Yeah, I a hundred percent think that, um, there would be complete, complete destruction in some way, if, uh, they came out and said a hundred percent error, irrefutable.

Well, I just,

[00:37:44] Aaron: I don’t like being in a position to, to make this defense, but, um, religious thought and religious belief is very, very dynamic. Right. So when, and, uh, just like before, when we were talking about like the end of geo centrism, right? Um, geo centrism is a huge. Thing when it comes to earth being special and God’s relationship with humans and all that.

And we have irrefutable proof that nothing short the moon revolves around the earth. Right. Um, they survived it. They would, there would be sex that would probably rise up against it. There would be a lot of talk and definitely now on the internet, but I don’t think it would fundamentally change anything.

I think a lot of people would adapt relatively easily. But, I mean, like they

[00:38:33] April: put it in there and be like, oh, this is the part we didn’t know. Right.

[00:38:38] Aaron: I

[00:38:38] Jeremiah: mean, I mean, it’s just my speculation. It could be,

[00:38:44] April: oh, you’re right. That’s probably, that is probably why. Cause it’s, it’s not you. Weren’t the only one that said it, that I always think multiple people say the same thing.

Like, that’s a thing like people’s, like you said, world would be rock. Somebody has a question or like, That I don’t know what he’s talking about, but also sometimes he trolls, so I’ve got to be careful, but Steven asked, uh, have you listened to any podcasts on January 6th? Does something happen on January 6th that you know of?

[00:39:15] Jeremiah: I wasn’t that the storming of the capital building or whatever.

[00:39:21] April: Oh, was it, uh, how do you know that?

[00:39:28] Aaron: That’s Stephen trolling.

[00:39:29] April: Oh, so he’s trying to say, oh, gotcha. So he’s trying to say that maybe the alien stormed the building. Is that what he’s trying to say?

[00:39:37] Jeremiah: I have no idea what,

[00:39:38] Aaron: well, I mean, it, it, it was, I mean, it’s, it’s easy for it to say that there were a few individuals that were the impetus for that whole situation.

Humans are very easy to manipulate.

[00:39:50] April: Oh, yeah.

[00:39:53] Jeremiah: Now, now you have people who believe that all our elites of the world are really lizard people, um, of very prominent figure. David Ike buys into that, that our elites are lizard people. Um, so I mean, Maybe they are. We don’t know. So, I mean, I don’t personally believe it, but I can’t say people

[00:40:24] April: suck enough on their own.

We don’t need to add lizard people to suck.

[00:40:28] Aaron: We wouldn’t be

[00:40:28] April: surprised. Yeah. But also people sec, but Monique makes a very good point about the toilet paper. She said we saw what happened when people freaked out over just toilet paper. Imagine we had aliens to the Mexican. You’re right. Mooney, Che cliche. I agree, Monique.

[00:40:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. Now we’re having issues with it again, like we didn’t learn the first time and right

[00:40:55] April: now they’re stuck out on boats. Uh, Katie asks a good question. So based on what you’ve heard of all these alien abductions, and if you were abducted or you knew you were about to be abducted, how would you feel.

Based on everything you’ve heard, excited, scared, intrigued, like what would your feelings be?

[00:41:17] Jeremiah: So I would, it’d probably be scary as hell at first. Um, I mean, a lot of the abductions are done, like obviously against your will. A lot of them are done, um, while you’re sleeping or, um, A lot of people get abducted from their cars.

Uh, this is the speculation, but, um, so I’d probably be really scared at first. And then I’d probably be intrigued once the fear, like kind of dissipated because a lot of the times, a lot of people end up saying that their experience and it positively, even though it started off like, Really bad, like being abducted from their room or, um, having tests done to them.

But there are people who said like every time and it seems like a lot of people get abducted multiple times. It’s not just one time. So like this one, there’s a lot of people that are like, yeah, I’ve been getting abducted like four or five times already. So I don’t know if they have like, uh, I don’t know, for lack of better term doctor schedule or they’re like uptime to get your checkup or whatever.

Um, but it seems like there’s certain people that they select, which I have no idea how they go about selecting people, but it seems like once they abducted you they’ll continue abducting. You

[00:42:58] April: has there been any statistical analysis on that? If there’s any commonalities of the people that they tend to abduction.

[00:43:06] Jeremiah: Um, I’m sure there has been, there’s a group called . It’s like the UFO researchers group and I’m sure they have studies done for statistics. I’ve also heard a lot about families being abducted, so like grandma got abducted. Mom got ducted. I got abducted. Seems to be a common thing too, in the abduction world.

So I don’t know if there’s something to that, like family bloodlines or whatever, but it seems to be a common, well, maybe

[00:43:45] April: they are aliens and that’s who they’re studying bloodline passing on.

[00:43:50] Jeremiah: Uh, I can’t tell you that, but there definitely seems to be methods that they go about doing this. Um, a lot of the abductions seem very similar.

Um, there might be slight differences, but a lot of times seem to be quite similar as far as how they go about abducting, you, what they do once you’re aboard the ship, so to speak. And, um, a lot of people talk about getting impregnated or in pregnant. A alien type female and then being abducted again a few years later and being shown their alien hybrid baby and stuff like that.

There seems to be a lot of people that talk about that type of experience. So it’s just very interesting whether I buy into them or not. I, you know, I, I don’t like to close off anybody. Some of them sound really. Wacky far out there, some of them seem very believable. So it’s hard to tell who’s fabricating and who’s being legit legit.

[00:45:07] April: If this happened to you, it’s going to sound wacky, right? Like I would feel crazy. I don’t know if I would even, well, I would tell everyone let’s be real, but,

[00:45:17] Jeremiah: well, there’s a lot of people. There’s a lot of people that say they haven’t come out in years because they’re afraid of the perception of them. And they’re like, I got abducted 15 years ago, but this is the first time I’m talking about it because I was afraid I’d be called a wacko or whatever.

I look at

[00:45:37] April: movies like, uh, there’s movie, I’ve watched two Michele vision clearly, but there’s like movies of even people who have like, even psychic abilities. Right. Uh, they never told anyone because there’ll be perceived as crazy or like, uh, I don’t know, matrix type movies where they can feel something or see something, but you can’t tell.

Cause if it’s against human nature or human construct, then we think it’s insane. Right. And we, it doesn’t have, if it doesn’t have a place in our little box, it doesn’t belong.

[00:46:09] Jeremiah: Yep. Exactly. Like if I got abducted tonight and told people tomorrow, they’d be like, get the hell out of here. You’re right. You’re dumb.

[00:46:19] April: They think you’re dumb. Even if it

[00:46:20] Jeremiah: really did happen, they wouldn’t believe me. No one would believe me.

[00:46:25] April: So do you think, have you, oh, sorry. Okay. Has, do you think you live your actual life any differently based on what you know, and the theories that you have of.

[00:46:40] Jeremiah: Um, not for aliens and UFO’s now I don’t, a lot of people want to be abducted.

I do not. I hope that I never get abducted. Um, I just, I don’t know enough about what their agenda is to want to experience. Because if it’s for something nefarious, I don’t want to be a part of it. So without knowing what their agenda is, I, I hope they never have dunked me, but now watch me tonight. So.

[00:47:21] Aaron: I have to come back. You have to come back on next week. If that happens, we’re real rough. Um, and it’s funny that you said that cause uh, Jacob asked if you’ve ever tried being a duck abducted, isn’t there a highway. Uh, do you know, like in that community, if there’s like a regional bias to that, if people actually congregate in areas with an a, with an intent to be able to.

[00:47:45] Jeremiah: Um, I believe there’s like hot spots, but I don’t think you can actually like in, um, uh, an abduction. Um, I think they’re just kind of random, or maybe not so random, but it’s not something you can like will to happen.

[00:48:04] April: You said there’s families, right. Family lines that it tends to happen. And so that’s that kind of construct.

So location.

[00:48:14] Jeremiah: Yeah, there’s definitely like UFO hotspots. Like in North Carolina here, there’s a mountain Ridge not far away. And they always claim that there’s like UFO lights out there at certain times of the night and certain times of the year. So I haven’t had a chance to go out there to look yet, but it’s on my list of things to do.

See if I can see some lights.

[00:48:39] April: Okay. So I have a question. So when I asked that question, Does this change the way you live? Like you said, not to UFO’s. So were you thinking of something that does change the way you live your day-to-day life? Is it something supernatural?

[00:48:55] Jeremiah: Yeah, my near-death experience in 2009, I think it was

[00:49:01] April: that I was going to come back to that

[00:49:03] Jeremiah: has completely changed how I live my life now.

Uh, I’ve changed completely as a person. Um, I used to get severely depressed. I don’t get severely depressed anymore. I’ll still have my moments, but nothing like before. Um, just my outlook on life is different now after experiencing what I experienced,

[00:49:28] April: this is not a near death experience show. Although coming at you at a podcast soon, um, can you sum up, would you expect.

[00:49:39] Jeremiah: Um, it’s nothing like wild and crazy. It was just the typical dark tunnel with the light at the end of it. And I was floating towards it. And, um, as I was about halfway up, I just got this feeling of like love and warmth and like something I’ll never experienced on earth. Like I can’t even describe the feeling of love and warmth.

Just feeling at peace and not thinking about the world or nothing and, um, no ego and just love and warmth and bright white light that I could stare into. It didn’t hurt my eyes or anything. But, um, and as I got closer, I saw silhouettes of what I would say, a humans. Um, and they were saying like, come you’re okay, it’s fine.

Come to the light or whatever. And I’m just very rear reassuring, very loving. And I just remember yelling out, like, no, I can’t leave. I have stuff left to finish on earth. And I just kept yelling at the light. Like I’m not done yet. I have stuff to do. And after a couple of times a yelling at it at the top of my lungs, like, uh, like I got shot out of a cannon back into my body and.

I woke up gasping for air and it felt like someone was like crushing my heart. So I had my brother who was living with me at the time, rushed me to the hospital and they put me on all these machines, did all these tests ended up saying I was a hundred percent healthy, nothing’s wrong with me. And then for like three days afterwards, my heart just hurt.

Like someone was lightly squeezing it in their Palm. Um, and. But they said I was a hundred percent healthy, no heart attack, no nothing. And I’m no other way to describe like the feeling I felt in the halfway up the tunnel and then like waking up with the heart ache and all that stuff. It was just a crazy experience.

So, um, that was pretty much they experience. And I didn’t know the people at the light at the end of the tunnel, they were just. Very loving, very reassuring. Like it’s okay. You can come on. It’s fine. Like just normal people. So I don’t know. It was weird.

I think you froze.

[00:52:13] Aaron: Oh, there we go. She’s back.

[00:52:16] April: Oh, Lordy, Lordy. Every time we have an episode, I feel like this whole other episode inside of the episode, right? Like, remember when the stateness was Mormon or something. Or no, like somebody had a more, oh no. The, it was the biracial growing up by racial and then her family was Mormon.

That’s what it was. Wow. Yeah. This is crazy in Florida. I do feel like the in Florida part is

[00:52:43] Jeremiah: important. Now the crazy part and the sad part is like, I don’t know what I have left to finish down here. Like. I just got this feeling that I have something more to accomplish. Maybe it’s this podcast. I don’t know.

But, um, it was just the feeling of my mission is not done yet. And I don’t know, ever since I’ve just been different person. So the huddle now.

[00:53:13] Aaron: Well, we, yeah, I think she froze again. Well, I mean, that’s, that’s one of the reasons that we, we do this is to have. Um, and I mean, people we know and, and other people who don’t have experience and don’t have interactions with people like who have had those experiences to open up their mind and to think about things a little bit differently.

So it, I mean, it could be, yeah,

[00:53:40] Jeremiah: I missed, oh, sorry. No,

[00:53:42] April: go ahead. I thought I was still frozen. God,

[00:53:46] Jeremiah: no, I was just going to say. I don’t like the current state of our country and stuff in the fact that everything’s so black and white, there’s no gray area anymore. It’s just, you’re either this or you’re that.

And if you’re that, I don’t like you cause you’re this and vice versa. And I just wish more people would open up to other possibilities. And even if you don’t a hundred percent agree, at least you can have a mutual respect for. Standing up. That’s just me. You can

[00:54:20] April: disagree

[00:54:21] Aaron: with somebody and it doesn’t make either of you a bad person.

[00:54:24] April: And like we’ve established everything is human construct. Like we created these things and these beliefs and these things, there’s so much more out there that we don’t even know. How can you say you have to be this or that? How egotistical? Or like, what do you guys say human centric? Or like, you guys say science words, but anyway, it’s like, Then you have to fit into these things.

Like it doesn’t make any sense. Also I’m starting a go-fund me support April’s internet connection

[00:54:54] Aaron: and also her library. So she can learn science-y words.

[00:55:00] April: Yeah. That too. Oh my gosh. We’re at our end of her time and I feel like we always end on such a high note, like, oh, the guy I’m just like, that just hits everything. Katie said, this is awesome. Stephen totally thinks too, your mission on life is this podcast. So we’re apparently have to keep having you on because we don’t want your life to end

[00:55:20] Jeremiah: cause.

And, um, I am starting my own podcast to do conspiracy stuff. Um, I have a composer doing my intro music now, so I’m just waiting to get that back and, um, and I gotta get my artwork, but I plan to have it up within the next month. And the podcast will be called. What if they’re wrong with the question mark?

[00:55:44] April: Oh my God. I love that. And we will share it 100%. That will be shared. So just tell me and we’ll share it all over our podcasts stuff. Like,

[00:55:54] Aaron: yeah. We’ll make sure it ends up in the description of the, of the videos and stuff. So just the app, please let us know.

[00:56:00] Jeremiah: And I also have a Facebook group that I just started.

It’s called a what if they’re wrong? With the question, mark. And I just started that to posts like conspiracy stuff on there. So if you want to join my Facebook group, go for

[00:56:15] April: it. Yeah. I have to write that one down. What if they’re wrong? They

[00:56:20] Jeremiah: like, they are wrong. What if they’re wrong? There’s an

[00:56:23] Aaron: apostrophe in there.

Shut up.

[00:56:25] April: Shut up. I know, I knew you were going to say that.

[00:56:29] Jeremiah: Well, yeah, I do plan to start my podcast and speak on various. Conspiracy related stuff. That’s awesome. So, um, I’ve dived into a lot of conspiracies over these years, so I, I’m not an expert on any, but I know a lot about a lot.

[00:56:49] April: Yeah. And we’re going to have, uh, more supernatural peeps on, because the group that I met Jeremiah in, there were some other people that were interested in sharing about things like ghosts and stuff.

So stay tuned for that. Um, I’m hoping next week, but y’all know, my life is rough. I was just in Hawaii for 13 days. And so, yeah, I know. And, but I’m on it now, like I’m on it. So, so I’m hoping to

[00:57:15] Aaron: get the, for next week, new job, new life, right.

[00:57:18] April: Oh, yeah, I got a new job too. I think I told you guys that last week, so

[00:57:21] Aaron: there’s, there’s more time.

Um, so to find out what it is, uh, make sure to pay attention to her Facebook, like Sharon’s subscribe, do all the things below, um, get more people involved in the conversations, especially people who don’t have exposure to all these kinds of topics. Um, hopefully bring some enlightenment. Uh, so we’ll work on next week.

We’ll bring you something and, uh, we’ll let you know what it is until then having.

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[00:00:00] jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, I’m here with a special guest Michela and we’re going to be talking about ancient aliens and Inaki and other weird, strange things. So I’d like to introduce you to my guests Michela say hi.

[00:00:51] Michela: Hi, it’s a pleasure to be on the, on the show, I guess show.

[00:00:57] jeremiah: Thank you.


So, first question I want to ask is what got you into the whole ancient alien thing?

[00:01:05] Michela: Oh, my a, it goes way back to when I was a teenager actually, but I’ve always wondered what’s in the sky beyond what we could see right when I was a kid. Um, but definitely, uh, in, in my, uh, teams, um, I had this, um, um, interesting UFO’s and, and other, you know, racists out there in space.

Um, and I started reading, um, well, uh, Peter Colosimo books, he wrote similar things to, uh, phone and then eventually later I moved on to the Atlantic and everything. So that was right. I, I was really happy to have discovered that because I always had this desire to know that. You know, so that’s how it started with the books.

And then of course later Zacharias teachings books. Totally like, um, yeah, that was my jam. You know what I mean?

[00:02:09] jeremiah: Yeah. A lot of, a lot of people know about Vandana akin, but not so much about the other two, unfortunately. So what’s, saccharides situations take on ancient history and how differs from our modern knowledge of it.

[00:02:26] Michela: Yes it’s um, um, he basically, uh, believed that Deanna Nike had come to earth, uh, from, uh, planet Nibiru and I, I don’t know if it’s, if it’s even within our galaxy, probably not, or we don’t know about it, but, uh, um, they, they came because they needed gold to repair their ozones. And earth had abundance schooled.

So that, that was their first reason for being here. And, uh, for some reason, um, they, um, this is what confused us because I know that they w they were very advanced, but they did use people kind of like slaves to mind the, uh, the gold, right. These people were called the Iggy. And at some point they had a, uh, sort of like a revolution they didn’t want to be used anymore.

And so the narky, uh, conceived an idea to create a worker and, uh, they would do, you know, Kind of a job, but without the, I don’t know why they thought the humans would not complain. You know what I mean? So they, I guess we were not as controllable as they were hoping. We’d be because of the way w we were engineered genetically basically, uh, from a, um, I think a more primitive inhabitant of planet earth at that time.

Uh, and

[00:04:03] jeremiah: kind of like a CRO Magna man.

[00:04:06] Michela: Exactly. The caveman. Yes. So there was part, they merged part of their DNA with ours or with, uh, humanoids and created human beings. That’s our glorious history proceeds from there were colorful. Definitely.

[00:04:27] jeremiah: So, yeah, from what I’ve learned, they genetically manipulated us and made us into.

Um, workers for them. And so I’m assuming you believe they are responsible for the pyramids and other structures around the

[00:04:44] Michela: world. Absolutely. And look how we have pyramids and different sites of the world. There are in south America, of course, and some parts of Europe as well. Um, we find that there are a colony of just about colonies of just about the same, uh, blueprint all across the world.

They definitely left a mark in south America, obviously Egypt, for example, right. Uh, to, in a.

[00:05:17] jeremiah: Yes. Um, modern schooling once PSAs to believe that everyone was segregated in the ancient past and never had contact with each other, but the artifacts and everything tend to speak differently. They

[00:05:31] Michela: tell a different story.

And in fact, with your new Nike, I mean, they were obviously a space race. They mastered that kind of, of traveling, right? So on earth as well, they moved in shuttles and it was just easy to get from one place to, it was easy for them. They are this, this, uh, uh, great mobility, you know, and accessible. I don’t think the word impossible was Indiana Nike’s dictionary.

That’s what I, I get that feeling very ambitious race. So

[00:06:07] jeremiah: they taught people how to do everything. And what do you think the purpose of the pyramids. ’cause a lot of people want to say that they were tombs, but they just don’t add up to that.

[00:06:21] Michela: Oh, I think that, yes. No, it doesn’t really make sense. Um, I think personally I think that we’re energy chambers and, uh, also use for teleportation.

I still have that they contained teleportation pods probably. And that way they could travel much easier than say, even with a shuttle, you know? Uh, you could imagine the freedom of that, the implications though, too, because, uh, yeah, that keeps you kind of a mastery of the elements sort of over time space.

[00:07:02] jeremiah: Yeah. Yeah. Because some of the, the, especially the main pyramid of Giza has shafts that seem to be pointing to the sky. There’s nowhere only way to like, explain why that’s there because people aren’t climbing up to the top to go down this little shack and it’s pointed at the constellations and stuff.


[00:07:27] Michela: I know. Uh, there a link, I think we, we, uh, serious or was that a Ryan? I always get them, uh, kinda mixed up. Um, but yeah, they had a special link to, yeah,

[00:07:41] jeremiah: I know the pyramids are said to be laid out like the Orion’s belt.

[00:07:47] Michela: Uh, there you go. So that’s what I was trying to, yeah. Who knows maybe that was a point of, of ancestral origin, uh, for the annual Nike, maybe beyond Nibiru or a station, you know, a station before earth.

[00:08:03] jeremiah: Yeah. What I learned is that this planet Nibiru was dying. And it’s on a elliptical orbit. So it comes around every like 3,600 years or something like that. That’s right. And, um, yeah, that’s why the Anna Knocky aren’t here currently is from what I’ve gathered.

[00:08:25] Michela: Some of us still are though,

[00:08:27] jeremiah: some of them so off

[00:08:29] Michela: that’s.

Right. Uh, and you want to do this time? Yeah, I know. I know. I know there is a lot of, I think back here again. Uh, it was by choice in a way to, to try to, um, right. The wrongs of the past, you know what I mean? And, uh, uh, You, you basically bring whatever knowledge you have and all the, the, the love and good intentions in your heart to help him see another civilization grow and thrive.

And like right now we’re moving right into five D. Okay. And, uh, I think you can feel it right. Um, I’ve been feeling a lot of the signs of, of this, uh, transition. And so that’s what, you know, Nike, I think are here back for, they wanted to help humanity transitioning to five D and to, to, um, I don’t know, um, acknowledged that we’re sovereign raised now.

We’re not just their experiment. They see us as equals basically in some way, right. Equal living beings.

[00:09:46] jeremiah: Well, they created us in our image, according to the text. So it would be all right to say that yes, we are kind of like them

[00:09:59] Michela: kind of like them. I know obviously we’re hybrids right. Still, but I think most racists in space are, uh, you know, I think because of the mobility of some of these races, you know,

[00:10:16] jeremiah: so you’ve believed there’s other beings out there, like different races.

Yeah. What’s your take on that?

[00:10:26] Michela: I think it would be impossible and observed to assume that we’re the only ones Y the, the universe is infinite. So it’s time. There is no time. Right. So why just us, what, you know, I know, uh, it’s, it’s good with him for special, but oh, oh, Katie. I have one too, but he’s hiding right.

And, uh, yeah, they chase

[00:10:55] jeremiah: each other. Sorry. They chase each other around.

[00:10:59] Michela: Oh, well you have two or two

[00:11:01] jeremiah: of them actually have three.

[00:11:04] Michela: Oh, good for you. Good for you. I love them. The more the merrier. Yeah. Sorry. Can you ask

[00:11:14] jeremiah: the question again? Were talking about the different alien races? Yes.

[00:11:18] Michela: I’ve always said, uh, not even assumed known that they’re out there.

I knew I came with this knowledge. In fact, I’m one, they call it star seed and that’s why I had that fever as a preteen. And then teenager to know more because my identity was linked to that in a way. It wasn’t enough to know that I was Mikayla. I knew that was something else and some other dimension of myself somewhere.

And I had to find it. To connect to a larger entity, a larger group. So,

[00:11:55] jeremiah: so you had an experience when you were younger. Can you explain that?

[00:11:58] Michela: Yes, I did. Actually. It’s kind of ridiculous because at the time I was just a little child that was about three years old. Okay. And I remember I couldn’t sleep. I had my, I had a crib next to my mum and dad’s bed and I was standing up and looking at them and they said, would you like to come in and sleep between us?

And I thought, not really. I remember this, uh, Jeremiah. Okay. And they said, come on, come on. I go between them. And all of a sudden they’re out. Like I, they, they were out there. Just totally asleep. And I see this figure in the doorway, in the dark basically, but it had colors that stood out and you have to know, I watched a lot of cartoons as a kid.

I watched a lot of TV that was the sixties and, you know, everybody was excited about it. Yeah. So I watch a lot of TV and I watch cartoons and I saw Sylvester the cat, you know, Sylvester. Yes. Right in the doorway. And it was freaky, but I was excited and I remember pointing at it and say, Hey, wait, I was trying to get my parents’ attention after that.

Nothing like my memory is long. So when I don’t remember anything, I know that something else must have happened that didn’t want me to remember, or that I wasn’t supposed to remember. And I think that was my very first encounters with the. Um, they were coming to check on me because I knew I was one of ’em.

I am one of them and they wanted to check. It was the very beginning of my mission. And so, yeah, I don’t know what went on, but they make contact that way. That was the first time that I actually saw something. So clearly, uh, that, yeah.

[00:13:59] jeremiah: So did you actually see like beings or do you recall any interactions?

[00:14:07] Michela: Everything really goes black from then on? I don’t remember. And they’ve done that to me in a few times because, um, I don’t know why later in, in life. I remember I was walking down a path with my mother and my little sister. Uh, once again, I was five, six years old. We were in the country. And, uh, I remember that all of a sudden, my mom and my sister got frozen and I remember feeling I had to go into the woods, you know, and I didn’t really know why.

And once again, they cut the connection or they cut the memory of the connection. And it’s very frustrating, you know? Um, I, I don’t like, I, I did put all of these into a book. I’m a career writer and that is in a book called Ziegler 10, if anybody’s curious, you know, because there’s a lot more of my encounters through time.

And, um, but the way that they, they meet me, uh, most was through dreams to me. They seem like dreams that by the way, where people would call up the actions, I call them visitation. Okay. Okay. To me, it’s absurd to think that some people, uh, don’t don’t believe because it’s impossible. I mean, really this is just, it’s an infinite universe.

I mean, you know, it starts Cedar in coded to remember obviously little by little,

[00:15:52] jeremiah: so, yeah. There’s a large majority of people who have claimed to be an abducted or had an experience like that. Um, in my opinion, too much to just be a hoax or a coincidence. Uh, there’s just too much behind it. People getting hypnotic regression where they recall their experiences.

Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know how you can say that this is not happening.

[00:16:25] Michela: I know, I know. Um, I also later in time read, um, um, Whitley Strieber, uh, communion, and that was another yeah. Was something else that, um, it was like a and other revelation of like, yeah, I’m familiar with this. And then work started me writing all my dreams down, all my experiences.

Do you have deductions, et cetera, et cetera. Um, so yeah, that was the other, um, what would you call it? Uh, um, not platform, but you know what I’m saying? You know, another, another starting point for me that got me deeper into the subject.

[00:17:09] jeremiah: Yeah. They always say writing stuff down helps recall.

[00:17:13] Michela: Yeah, it’s important.

Really few want to grow from it from the experience, write it down, just journal. He doesn’t have any, doesn’t have to be anything, um, you know, uh, official or just journal about it.

[00:17:29] jeremiah: So what do you think the ancients, they seem to be fascinated with the stars and astronomy and stuff like that, and, you know, mainstream science or whatever, just chalks it up as Dem dreaming or whatever, but there’s gotta be, it’s gotta be a deeper connection with astrology and all that

[00:17:50] Michela: stuff.

I know, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think at one point astrology and astronomy were connected in the ancient times and that gave them a much, much wider understanding of human nature and of life I think, because of it. Yeah.

[00:18:10] jeremiah: Yeah. I heard a theory that. Sphinx in Egypt actually had a lion’s head in the beginning because it was made at the time of Leo constellation, um, present in our skies.

So a lot of people date the pyramid and the Sphinx back even further than the other pyramids. So you think they were built before our time or our known

[00:18:40] Michela: history? I think so too. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, definitely before our known history and I don’t understand why, um, we are teaching our kids a lot of, um, truths, you know, or, um, Version of the truth.

Uh, these, especially with the Anunnaki that sheds a lot of lights on our, on our civilization should be taught in school. You know, each everyone should know about origins and about different theories even. I mean, some people might not believe Indiana monarchy, but maybe open up their mind to something else, you know?

So, um, um, yeah, so I think it should be, it should be taught in school. I Marvel that, uh, that it’s not, we, we got such a small distorted version of, of history all boxed up by academics, you know, so I don’t doesn’t belong to us anymore. Really. That’s unfortunately how it feels. Yeah,

[00:19:48] jeremiah: it definitely feels like there’s one narrative and one narrative on.

And if you think outside of that narrative, you’re considered, you know, conspiracy theorist.

[00:20:01] Michela: Absolutely. Yeah. I know. I run into that all the time, because just about every thought I have, it’s like a conspiracy theory, you know what I mean? It’s big because of my background and, and you know, and a lot of us are, are like that.

A lot of us are, as they say, waking up. Right. And once you realize something it’s like seeing something, you cannot see it afterwards, so you never the same, you know, and you kept getting deeper and deeper. And, uh, uh, it gets pretty exciting. Actually life really does gain a meaning, you

[00:20:38] jeremiah: know? Yeah. It’s like you start looking at one thing and it leads into another thing and sometimes things over things overlap.

So they’re all seems like a lot of stuff is connected. And you’re just playing connect the dots.

[00:20:54] Michela: Yeah, exactly. That’s true.

[00:20:57] jeremiah: That’s so for the Ana Nakia, I’ve also heard that they had some, some infighting, do you know about any of their infighting?

[00:21:06] Michela: Oh, well factions and, uh, yeah, I know, I know, I know and, and real, there were two major figures, right.

Were so drastically, they were brothers, but they were drastically different. And, um, um, I think some of the, uh, portrayal is quite accurate actually, because, uh, way back, like I remember, um, he goes, this is the really strange part, but, um, I used to be somebody called two or Shamash, which was the twin of. Uh, and, uh, I remember for example, there was quite a sour character that comes across.

So now he was my grandfather, none nurse that, and Nana was my dad. So if that makes sense at that point.

[00:22:04] jeremiah: Yeah. So for the people listening and Lil and were like the two major figures, they were like the head of the operation. And then they supposedly had a sister that they got impregnated to create the first man

[00:22:23] Michela: yes, they, yeah, they, they were great geneticists.

Uh, but I mean, I’m not, uh, I’m not rating that good or bad. They just that’s what they did. And also at the time they were with the faction of the reptilians were really great at genetic manipulation. And, uh, there were no, I don’t know their intentions, but yeah, they, uh, they did a lot of that. So I, I don’t know.

Excuse me. I need to drink. Oh,

[00:22:56] jeremiah: no, you’re fine. Where do you think the reptilians are? Where they’re from and what their purpose is here?

[00:23:04] Michela: To be honest with you, I don’t know where they’re from. Um, but I do think that they had stakes in the earth. Uh, probably, I don’t know. Maybe even before the primate B. It’s, uh, they, they, it might’ve been their planet earth or Tara.

Right. So, uh, maybe they had a real ancestral deep link to it, then they consider it upon it. There’s uh, which is kind of strange because I think then where are they? You know? Um, so they might have been indigenous to earth, uh, for all we know, uh, the thing is though they had outposts everywhere, like the Anunnaki.

So I know the majority of them retreated to, to some other place in space. Right. Uh, but yeah, the, I think they, at the beginning, there was like a cohesion between the Andrew narky and the reptilians in, uh, um, the genetic manipulations today. They were doing on the primates to create us basically. And I’m not sure why those, the reptilians got involved, but, um, with time passing, I think, uh, they became resentful almost.

They helped the unknown archi and that wa that’s why there was such a rift between them. And now we have like to simplify, right, good reptilians and bedroom Tyrians in relation to what they might’ve intended for us. If that makes sense. Right?

[00:24:46] jeremiah: Yeah. There’s some people who say that there’s bad reptilians behind our governments and stuff like that.

[00:24:53] Michela: Yeah. The new world order, man. Yeah. Exactly or the so-called Illuminati. Yes. That’s also something that made total sense to me. Like the theory I’m like, yeah. You know, I always thought that there was something, um, uh, of my over manipulation behind our, uh, our society civilization or what, you know, so yeah, I think some still try to exert their power through the, through the so-called elite.

I hate that term because they’re not choosing the address. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[00:25:29] jeremiah: Right. Power.

[00:25:33] Michela: They are, they want to be gods. So I’ve also

[00:25:37] jeremiah: heard theories of, um, there used to be habitations on mowers and that they destroyed the planet there. Have you heard anything about that?

[00:25:49] Michela: A little bit? Um, I just, uh, I don’t know who it is exactly.

Uh, I I’m thinking the Andrew narky again, uh, we’re up there. And I think when they decided to leave earth, they also decided to destroy as much of their, of the proof that they were ever there, uh, everywhere. So that explains to me why there are ruins on Mars. You know, they probably had a thriving, collagen colonization there for a while.

And then when they decided to go, they, they, it was final. They just, you know, close to all the links that they could. They wanted us to have a chance to be ourselves, basically in develop on our own. They realized later in time that they wouldn’t done and they needed to, to give us some sort of like a new headstart it’d being ourselves, then not a hybrid

[00:26:50] jeremiah: race.

I’m assuming the. I believe in a higher power to, or absolutely cause a lot of people or a lot of people like to say, oh, well, if you believe in the Ana Knocky, you don’t believe in a God or the creator or whatever.

[00:27:08] Michela: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. No. Somebody had to create them too. And the people who came before them and it’s like the chicken or the egg.

Right. But something happened, uh, in space and, uh, I, I don’t know. It makes sense to me that, uh, there is a creator personally. I’m not trying to impose this on anybody else. This belief. But for me, I’ve always, always been able to relate to an energy out there that I like to call creator, you know? And, um, I don’t describe, I have no idea and, you know, I just know there’s love there and infinite intelligence and we’re here for a purpose.

And each of us has to, has to discover what that purpose is and contribute to the collective. The objective always been driving in bliss. I think creator made us for that. No, for misery, uh, we created a lot of our own misery and then the reptilians, uh, contributed to that, you know, later.

[00:28:20] jeremiah: Oh, so you think the bad faction of the reptilian race is trying to keep us from ascending?

[00:28:29] Michela: Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. I think the much weaker. Then they used to be the one, they know it. In fact, you notice that also in the world of the elite, dealing with RA, they are barely afloat. Now they are throwing a lot garbage arrests, a lot of, uh, created problems. Okay. They don’t even exist, but they threw them at us to keep confusing us and demoralizing us, keep us hating each other.

Exactly because they knew the union is everything. If we come United as, as a race, um, we can make ourselves much, much happier, uh, collectively, and we probably get smarter. We will be able to. You know, be better intergalactic, citizens related. Everybody’s watching us like every, every other space race that knows all of us is watching with interest to see the humans going to liberate themselves, you know?

And, uh, most of them we should as well. They won’t ask to be part of their collective.

[00:29:55] jeremiah: Yeah. It’s like, we’re their children in a playpen.

[00:30:00] Michela: Exactly, exactly. And they know all the manipulations that we have suffered through time. So they wanted to come to something, something, something good for us. They want to see us blossom

[00:30:14] jeremiah: basically.

And you had said earlier about, um, we’re going into five D can you kind of explain what you mean by.

[00:30:23] Michela: Sure. Um, you know, that we find the 3d is between 3d and forties where we’ll leaving right now. I think we’re definitely, uh, with a foot in five D, but for me. Okay. Those are vibrational, uh, states. Okay. Let me see if I can make it okay.

In 3d, we know that we can see things, hear things, touch them. If we, you know, if everything is perceivable by our census, it’s real. And so, uh, but there are other realities, uh, you know, other vibrational, um, states and, um, some of the space races that are in contact with us that are watching us. And sometimes, you know, sometimes, you know, helping our, uh, have higher vibrations that, that then that.

So for example, they will, it goes all the way up. I don’t know. I mean, you know, some people would say 12, you know, did they mention all, uh, planes, right.

[00:31:33] jeremiah: But isn’t there a saying of seven levels of heaven or whatever.

[00:31:39] Michela: Yeah. I’ve heard of that. I’m not sure which tradition it comes from, but yeah, I’ve heard of that.

Yes. And, um, yeah, so that’s, uh, for me, uh, five team. Transitioning to higher vibration, which means a lot of people are waking up in great numbers in masses, actually. Okay. We have a lot of triggers for that, uh, that sometimes are intentional when they want to help us a little bit. It’s like, they’re almost there give him that clue.

Right. And some, sometimes hardship is put on us by the opposition, like the reptilians. Right. And, um, us, I to work through these points, uh, brings us a little bit higher in vibration each time because we grow spiritually from every, every experience of course. Right. And, uh, that’s why the other resistance space are kind of rooting for us because we are so.

To a real breakthrough and the shift is happening. I am seeing it in my own little daily life. Things are manifesting fast. Uh, I am talking little things, you know what I mean? But every like things are manifesting and a number sequences. Um, I’ve always noticed the language of numbers, even though I don’t like maths.

Okay. I, I, when I was a kid, I didn’t understand it now. I, I wished that I knew more because, uh, um, everything is math, maths, basically, uh, music, for example. Okay. We try a door that really, you know, um, it’s part of my soul growth. That’s math. Okay. So there’s numbers in everything. I would like people to pay attention to number sequences that they see around them.

It can happen to you in a movie or in a show anywhere you get a number and, you know, because says, oh my God, what does that mean? Like 3, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 5, 5, 5. You know, that kind of thing or 11, 11. Okay. Those are clues to help us progress and understand ourselves. And so, um, I discovered books that, uh, are helpful with that.

Uh, yeah. Any interpretation they come with, uh, we also metaphysical interpretations of what they might mean. I found that very helpful.

[00:34:24] jeremiah: Yes. I’ve heard of Jamal Altria and how everything is coded and that kind of lends into the theory of that numbers play a huge role in everything.

[00:34:39] Michela: Absolutely. And I think, you know, um, in the entrance utilization, the Arabs knew that they were very, very advanced with their math, which I think it’s a kind of like a, um, it was a Relic of the mouth that the, I know Nike had that understanding and thank goodness they preserved it and expanded on it and contributed it to whatever we have manifested in into our society, uh, good or bad, but they had this understanding of numbers and also their higher meaning their spiritual meaning.


[00:35:19] jeremiah: they help them. Yeah, the precision of the monuments, um, especially the pyramids and stuff is so precise and they definitely took time to do that and make sure it was done properly.

[00:35:34] Michela: I know, I know there was a lot of knowledge behind architecture, uh, and in fact, even now there is like some esoteric, uh, knowledge connected to architecture.

Not that I know a lot about it. I don’t, but I see that. I mean,

[00:35:51] jeremiah: yeah, yeah. A lot of the modern cities even are laid out in different grids and patterns and

[00:35:59] Michela: exactly. Yeah. That’s amazing. That is amazing to me, but yeah.

[00:36:06] jeremiah: And then you even have the crop circle phenomenon and a lot of those have geometric patterns and mathematics involved in it.

[00:36:17] Michela: Exactly. That’s why I kind of thought it was funny when people were just saying, where do they come from? You know, well, somebody very knowledgeable obviously then knows how to do that, how to manifest that kind of thing. And trust me, there’s a messaging there. And I think everybody expects a universal message, but this within the world of, of, I guess, metaphysics it’s about individuality, w you, the person, the soul I learning at this point in time and your advancement, your growth.

Right. If that makes sense. So I think, uh, there’s messages in them. And, um, I don’t know, they could be, I mean, obviously collective, but I also think that that, uh, these kind of experiences are supposed to affect individual. What do you think about the crop circles and what do you think about the, you know what I mean, it makes you think and

[00:37:21] jeremiah: grow, I’m kind of split between two theories.

Sure. I think either, uh, extra terrestrials are creating these or is it actually coming from the planet itself because there’s a guy, a theory where the planet’s actually alive and maybe there’s just signs from the planet to humanity or whoever. That’s just another theory.

[00:37:50] Michela: I agree with that theory. Yeah.

I like that theory actually. It makes more sense to be, to be honest, then just the T ETS, uh, influence. Yes, of course they want to communicate. And some of them, like there was in England, one of the, it wasn’t a crop circle, but it was an image in the grass of an alien kind of looking at us like through a little space or something.

Right. Like they’re watching us from space. Yeah. I think like that, that you think, okay, it’s probably, you know, a DET saying, okay, we know we, we know that you exist and you are starting to think that we exist in a halo that’s you know, so yeah. But for, uh, the guy at theory, I’m very much like that because this plant.

Ancient it’s it’s much, much more ancient than we can fall on. Okay. And, uh, obviously Gaia has soul and has something to say, and it expresses itself for, through a variety of, of things. I mean, even the numbers are, we can say are talking about earlier, right? Uh, it’s one way architecture. It’s another way music, any, everything we do is like the planet soul trying to come through.

Okay. And guide us and protect itself at this point because every, like we know we’ve ravaged a lot of it and we have not used it as intended, you know, earth was supposed to be a playground, a place where we thrive and develop. And it’s not, it’s not, it’s a play where we fight for survival, basically.

[00:39:34] jeremiah: Yeah.

And it could be the reason for. Cataclysms and even smaller instances like earthquakes and volcanoes going off and stuff

[00:39:46] Michela: like that. Absolutely. Absolutely. It’s my, yeah. It’s Gaia speaking. Yeah.

[00:39:52] jeremiah: It could just be the planet like saying, Hey, because when I fly over the country and I looked down, um, we do kind of look like a cancer on the planet.

Like you just see all this green and stuff, and then all of a sudden you see cities and stuff and it just looks like we’re taken over.

[00:40:12] Michela: I know. Yes, yes. I can understand that. Um, there’s also another side to that that I find very moving. I don’t know why this happened by one night. I was on the bus and coming home and I remember, uh, uh, it’s a very explainable kind of a feeling of.

I remember looking at everything and being profoundly moved by us because I saw us this, this little beings, you know, and we are trying to make, to make it a go of this place and we’ve built our own dwellings and we’ve got electricity and we got lights inside the buildings at night. And I, for some reason I found that.

So moving it’s like little human, it’s hard to explain like, oh wow. We, you know, we’re here. We have survived to this point. Right. And I felt incredible love for the human race at that point. I really did.

[00:41:18] jeremiah: Yeah. I feel like the mass majority of people are good. There’s just that small percentage that wanted to seize the power and prey on the weaker.

People are not weaker, but the more empathic.

[00:41:35] Michela: Exactly. Yeah. The sensitive types that are kind of the glue basically of everything, if you think about it. Yeah.

[00:41:43] jeremiah: Yeah. Cause if the planet was all psychopaths, then there would be nothing left. They would all kill each other because yeah. So I think most people are just trying to get through.

Good. They’re good. If someone’s in trouble, they’re willing to help. And um, we’re just all trying to get by. And I think that, like you said earlier, um, people are starting to wake up and realize, like, we don’t want to be controlled. Like we have been no,

[00:42:19] Michela: exactly. That’s, that’s why what’s happening now. It’s so important.

And that’s, that’s how we are inching our way into five D because we conceiving of this that we want, we want to throw. Collectively, it’s not any more like, you know, that idea like in the sixties on going to be a millionaire and I’m going to, it was always about you, right. Me, me, me, I’m going to do this.

I’m going to, you know, and everything had to do with money with discovering that the great things like life itself, it’s not about money. It’s not about things you can build or buy yourself. Right. And so that’s why we are such a crucial point with getting that the masters are getting that they’re understanding that there is more, there’s much more, and we have a right to know, right?

There’s this almost this, this not only call it entitlement, but it it’s just a consciousness, right. To say, okay, we need to, uh, you know, understand these and, and benefit collectively. That’s the, that’s what the other races have that we don’t have. They have that cohesion inequality at all levels. Yeah. We still struggle with that.

[00:43:44] jeremiah: Yeah. We still are really in our ego. Yes,

[00:43:49] Michela: we are hierarchies. Yeah.

[00:43:52] jeremiah: A lot of spiritual teachings, um, from Buddha to Jesus, to whoever, um, they try to speak about, you know, being less about your ego and more about your spirit being. Yes,

[00:44:09] Michela: absolutely. Absolutely. I remember I was so arrogant when I was a teenager.

Believe it or not. I mean, I thought that maybe the reason I, God, I, you know, that was like the, the, uh, the mainstream thinking anyway, even I’m suddenly Italian and that was a Catholic country. And I was dead set against churches, religion, everything like that. Well, in recent years, I’ve discovered that, uh, there is a God, I believe now, but I had to go through so many experiences.

Some of them really bad, and some of them really good to come to this conclusion. Now I it’s like, of course there’s creator, you know, it’s, it’s not a matter of course that there is something there’s something larger than us and this something wants to help us. I don’t believe in religions any of them because yeah.

They’re conditions, uh, you know, and they made rules and regulations. I mean, all of them pretty much. Right. So, uh,

[00:45:18] jeremiah: well I think, I think the problem with organized religion is the power structure behind it. Yeah. And you have people that live off that power and the control of other people. Um, but the actual teachings can be really uplifting.

[00:45:39] Michela: Absolutely. When you discover, um, I say Jesus because of my, uh, background and I’ve been different, different religions to, uh, strangely, like later in life and then come out of it and I’m only spiritual, but, um, what was I gonna say? I lost myself.

[00:46:02] jeremiah: Okay. We were just talking about being spiritual instead of the power structure that controls.

[00:46:10] Michela: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Now we’ve, you know, I think more and more people are realizing that are getting a consciousness, uh, in the consciousness of that. Yeah. It’s almost a, it’s a need now it’s a need for us to continue to survive. We have to preserve what we’ve got, you know, every level.

[00:46:33] jeremiah: Yep. After my near-death experience, I have no doubt that there is a creator and I think I wish more people could experience it just so we boost the long, but, and I don’t know why I had it.

Um, but

[00:46:53] Michela: I do know.

[00:46:54] jeremiah: Yeah. So, but I totally think there is a creator behind all of this. I don’t think it’s just random happenstance and. I agree. I do. I do feel a shift in energy in the, on the planet. And I feel that it’s good because more people are starting to get out of their ego more. They’re starting to realize that they’re being controlled and it just really is going to help push forward.

[00:47:25] Michela: I see. I agree. See that’s how can I say, this is what I was talking about? These realizations that we having in larger and larger numbers, you know what I mean? It used to be the, um, I don’t know, for example, like the circle I hate when they call this metaphysics new age, right. It used to be almost a fad a years ago.

Now it’s a need, we, we need to, uh, you know, to think this way, we need to think this way that there’s more than there is.

[00:48:02] jeremiah: Yeah, when I was younger. Um, if you were into all this fringe stuff, you were considered like a tinfoil hat where yeah. But now it’s becoming more and more accepted by people.

[00:48:14] Michela: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Uh, and, um, I’m glad, I mean, as I said, putting religion aside, look at the spirituality of it, the teachings, uh, of different, uh, not just the profits, like, you know, Jesus and Buddha and, you know, um, the religions of India. I mean, there’s so much there, you know, I don’t claim to know, to know all of it. I know bits and pieces about Buddhism, Hinduism, et cetera.

Each one has seeds of truth in, you know, you have to take like, Uh, skim the best of these with what suits you, basically your personality, you know, and get, and get, create your own spirituality I take from different cultures and different spiritual backgrounds. Do you find that you do the same yourself in your belief system?

[00:49:12] jeremiah: Oh, definitely since my D E um, yeah, I definitely just, you know, pick from different things and I, to. I try to cut out as much negativity in my life. Like mute, like music was TV, was everything, the least amount of negative stuff is the best,

[00:49:37] Michela: the better. In fact, I’m so jealous of that, that when I find people, um, uh, you know, every so often you’ll meet somebody that someone wants to shake you.

Right? And you’re like, I’m not going to let you rock my hard earned happiness and tranquility. Sorry. You know? And, uh, you don’t have to hate them, but you teach them. I’ve learned you distance yourself. You live in what’s comfortable and happy and, and, uh, um, nourishing for you. Okay. And, uh, obviously everybody that, that, that you care.

So you S you know, you, you, you dialing to the positivities and, and yeah. We have to learn to stay there. It’s not romantic to, uh, yeah. Jump off the cliff or live in desperation as they call it quiet desperation. Okay. We deserve better than that at this point, you know, uh, we have to understand that if we want to manifest a better future for ourselves, you know, we have to know that at this point.

Yeah. We’ve come a long way. You know, we are ready for thriving. That’s what I think.

[00:50:54] jeremiah: Yeah. I really hope so. And I hope the powers that be don’t win, and I don’t think they will win just, uh, just that we’re in a

[00:51:07] Michela: rush. Barely there barely afloat. Now, uh, Jeremiah, they are, they’re dying. That’s why do you think that through us, the COVID, uh, the, you know, the so-called pandemic, I mean, just my opinion, but they, they keep throwing these absurd problems every so often and they make it global.

Right. Because they want to destabilize us from our, our scent, you know? And, uh, it’s not going to work because most of us see through it. We see through it, by the way, I have to know what happened to you. I didn’t know. You had a near death experience. Talk about it any,

[00:51:51] jeremiah: yeah, I’ve talked about it in previous podcasts, but to make a long story short, I basically, I went through the dark tunnel with the light at the end, and I felt all the love and warmth and peace and.

Coax by some figures in the light. Yes. They were saying it’s okay, everything’s fine. Uh, you can come, but I just called out and I screamed at them. Like I’m not done on earth. I still have a mission. I still have something to accomplish. And I’m trying to find that out. Maybe it’s this podcast. I don’t know.


[00:52:34] Michela: you doing it, you are doing and no, no worries you doing it.

[00:52:41] jeremiah: You know, it was definitely a life-changing event for me,

[00:52:46] Michela: for me was actually clinical depression. And it was brutal because I had it at 700. And in a country where mental health is not, wasn’t even acknowledged. I don’t know now in Italy, how things are, but, um, at the time there was no, like, you know, you’re crazy, or you were saying whatever, saying that I can tell being part of the mainstream and being a good little Italian teacher then, you know, and yeah.

And so the thinking was always so, so, so little, you know, for me, it’s like, who do you think you are? Well, I had this consciousness. I saw still faster when I was three. Okay. So I had this, I don’t know the desire to know more and to, to feel more right. And so I had this, this thing at me, um, happened when I was 17 years old.

It almost destroyed me. Uh, Jeremiah, it was really a clinical depression is no joke.

[00:53:44] jeremiah: Nobody knew

[00:53:46] Michela: and you’ve dealt with it. So, you know, what kind of, of, of brute beast we’re talking about, right.

[00:53:53] jeremiah: It’s terrible.

[00:53:54] Michela: It’s terrible. You can’t even describe your state of mind to people because there are no words there feelings and there’s anxiety there, Reese, um, OCD, like your thoughts running and running and running and never lacking in circles.

Imagine you’re 17 and you’ve thrown all these such you. Okay. And, uh, you don’t know where it’s coming from. You don’t know why it’s happening now. I figured it out. It’s been my gateway experiencing to spirit and really, really, um, a deeper level. Uh, in fact, my, I was a bit selfish before now. I’m not. You know, I can’t help it.

I care about everyone. I care about animals a lot. Um, I care about, you know, people, the earth, everything other, you know, aliens and such, you know, uh, just life I’m only life. And I didn’t so much at that time I was considering suicide a lot at that time. I know a lot of teenagers go through it, but I did not have the benefit of peers that were supporting me.

Excuse me. I was kind of a rebel, but on my own, you know, without a group I didn’t fit anywhere. Right. And so, uh

[00:55:18] jeremiah: Hmm. Like a lone Wolf

[00:55:21] Michela: basically, basically. Right. And it’s strange because I’m a sociable person, but I’m also very private. Right. And, uh, so, uh, I never had tons of friends or people that. I never felt I belonged anywhere or in a group, for example, or things like that.

I don’t know. Um, I was saying that for a reason. Hold on. Oh my God. I I’m. I’m scared of this, of this, uh, lapses. Okay.

[00:55:53] jeremiah: No, it’s okay. You were saying you were super depressed and.

[00:55:58] Michela: Yes. So, yeah, and at the time it was undiagnosed and they didn’t know, the doctor said he actually had a little law offices. I hear a teenager.

This is supposed to happen. So I go home. Okay. I’m like, oh my God, it’s not supposed to happen. That I think maybe I’m imagining everything and projecting it. And maybe there’s no human being and I am some sort of a singularity or something. Right. That made me tear. It terrified me. It terrified me. And I had, I discovered panic attacks and, uh, you know, a lot of like, not being able to quiet my mind and, uh, at the time, um, that even more made me despise the idea that there is a card because I thought then he, he, she is a jerk because in pain, right.

This is not normal. So, and, uh, yeah. And now it’s the opposite. Yes, there is a creator. Yes, there is. Goodness. We come from love. I see it now. Thanks to that experience to of depression, which, I mean, I’m still on medication for it because they figure here, thank goodness in Canada, there is a lot more knowledge about these and help.

Right. So, um, I was told I’d probably be on medication forever because I have a chemical imbalance in my, in my brain that makes me think like that and then made me have panic attacks, et cetera, et cetera. Right. So I’m on medication. I can tell you how many people have a prejudice against that. Yeah, they judge you.

[00:57:36] jeremiah: Oh, for sure. And it’s funny that you said you were almost at a suicidal state and then you, and then you had a life change. Yes. Um, I was, I was in the same boat when I had my near-death experience right before it, I was super depressed thinking about ending it all. And I feel like the creator realizes you’re at rock bottom and he doesn’t want to see you that way.

So he let me have this experience to show me that I know it’s tough, but you have a purpose here.

[00:58:25] Michela: Yes, exactly. Oh my God. I love these. I love how each of us, once we really talked to each other, we discovered that we are similar, you know, and we are proceeding at the same pace. We are coming to this kind of conclusions and must basically right now. And that’s very exciting to me

[00:58:46] jeremiah: and I definitely want to do more.

Podcasts episodes on near-death experiences. And I hoped to interview people. I want to interview people whose, who have had near death experiences, um, just to share stories and, and outlooks on everything.

[00:59:06] Michela: Absolutely. I mean, to that, I would definitely watch everything. You know, I write, I just discovered your podcasts.

I really have to go back and watch as much as I can because I’m very interested. I’m very interested. Yeah,

[00:59:21] jeremiah: definitely do that. And then we’re coming to the end here. So if you want to promote anything, your books or social media or anything.

[00:59:32] Michela: Yeah, my books basically. Yeah. I have social media. I only basically exist on Facebook.

I don’t care for Twitter. I don’t like Facebook either, but. It connected me to family and friends all over the world. And for me, relationships are the most important thing in my life. That’s why I have a good view of Facebook because of that. I look at it from that perspective. Right. And, um, yeah. Um, what was I going to say?

This happens all the time. I can’t believe it. My books, yes. I have a link on Facebook for it. And a page where you can see, I have four books right now on They’re all based pretty much on my experiences with, uh, the, uh, ETS, uh, or interdimensional, whatever you want to call it, even my fiction. So there’s a page and I have four books on that, uh, people can go and visit the page.

All you have to do is, uh, Google maps.

[01:00:35] jeremiah: Uh, or if you send me a link, I’ll put it in the show notes for this episode.

[01:00:40] Michela: Sure. I will do that. Then I’ll send you the link.

[01:00:44] jeremiah: Yes. So yeah, anyone listening, uh, should be in the show notes, you can click the link and purchaser material.

[01:00:51] Michela: Thank you. And yeah, they’re all. I hope that they’re interesting to people because I had secret 10 that talks about these experiences.

I have orbital, which was a fiction story, but it comes from my past so-called past lives and our past, I mean, there’s no time. Right. And, uh, to others, um, it means which in Italian, we had a tradition of which, which I don’t endorse anymore, but, uh, um, I realized I wasn’t a witch because I’m there this weird, I’m a star seed.

You know what I mean? And so I, yeah. Uh, but there, that was about, uh, witches in the ancient past, and I have a. Hold on. Okay. Strega orbital, um, ziggurat 10 and children of the goddess, my Celtic novel. I don’t know that two came from past lives. I’m sure. You know, drew is and whatnot and magic and, and all that.

So everything is on that page. And there are signups is of each one of the books. So you can choose, I have to go back. I, Jeremiah, I don’t even remember how I did it because I’m not techie at all. Okay. Yeah. But I created that page and I have to go back and I want to reduce the prices because at the time I, I didn’t really this, okay.

Put a price or whatever. Like I, I’m not a, you know, a publisher. How, how would I know? So I definitely need to go and dial down. Yes. But it would be lovely if people read me because I so long for feedback.

[01:02:31] jeremiah: Yeah, I’ll definitely, I’ll definitely put a link in the show notes, so you can click on that and hopefully they’ll go give it a list or give it a read.

And, um, I’m interested to read it myself, so I’ll probably get some too.

[01:02:47] Michela: Thank you. That sounds really good. Thank you so much. And yeah.

[01:02:52] jeremiah: All right. Well thank you for coming on and it was a good discussion

[01:02:58] Michela: and thank you for having me.

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Rise and Fall of the Nephilim

Rise and Fall of the Nephilim

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Rise and Fall of the Nephilim

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello!, my fellow,

terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in

the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to

question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

All right. My fellow terrestrials before we get to this interview, which is amazing by the way, definitely stick around and listen to this one. We need to talk about a couple of things. One, Scotty has a Kickstarter going on right now and he needs everyone’s help. So if you can click the link in the description, any type of money that you can donate would be highly appreciated so that he can get his works, put out and accomplished.

Also, if you could rate and review the show, if you haven’t already be highly appreciated, lets me know you’re enjoying the content. Lets me keep going with all this great information that I’m bringing you. And I would like to hear from you. You can go to my website, and on there go to the contact page.

You can shoot me an email. I’ll respond to emails in a timely manner, and don’t forget to tell your family and friends or that guy at work that’s into these types of things. Just spread the word. It’ll definitely help keep the show going and I can bring you all this great content. So without further ado here is Scotty Roberts.

Hello, and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. And we’re joined today by Scotty Roberts, author of the rise and fall of the Nephilim. We’re going to deep dive into some biblical texts and the stuff that we might cover might make you question everything.

So. We’re going to get to it now. Hello,


[00:02:15] Scott Alan Roberts: Hey, how you doing?

[00:02:17] Jeremiah: Good. How are you?

[00:02:18] Scott Alan Roberts: I’m good.


[00:02:21] Jeremiah: So, yes, uh, when you first had that aha moment and you were like, I’ve got to look deeper into this. I’ve got to figure out there’s something more here than what I’m being told. What was that moment for you?

[00:02:35] Scott Alan Roberts: Um, well, I’ll tell you what if it was actually into my seminary days now, the origins of the Nephilim really come from the book of Genesis and other old Testament passages.

And it’s always been in Genesis six chapter or chapter six verses one to four. And you can find the story of the Nephilim and we always glossed over it. He was never really even taught because it’s the preamble to getting into the story of Noah and the. And, uh, so people kind of miss it, but, uh, it wasn’t, I went all through Bible college and I was in seminary and it wasn’t until we started taking, uh, languages, you know, the ancient Hebrew and Greek and others and Aramaic.

And we started looking into languages that I started to notice that, you know, words mean things and it meant things in scripture, but the English translation, isn’t always the best translation of what the original Hebrew said. And I was looking at that passage and it said, um, and in those days, the sons of God came down and intermingled with the daughters of men and had children by them.

Uh, and they were the hero and the Nephilim were on the earth in those days. And also afterward and the hero, they were the heroes of old and the men of renown. And that’s a quick paraphrase. And I, I remember in seminary, I was asking the president of the seminary and I said, who are these guys? I said, because you teach us here.

The words mean things. And it wasn’t a controversial conversation I had, we were just talking over coffee, you teach us a words, mean things. Now I’m looking into the meaning of this. And I said, where it says sons of God in English, but Hebrew is the Benet ha Elohim. And I said, Elohim is one of the names used for God in the old Testament.

And it’s used so often the most times it’s like 2,700 times. And the word, the name for God and Elohim means El, the base word is El is God. Is a plural suffix that is attached to a Hebrew word to denote plurality. Just like you have a Nephilim. Snowfall is, is, is a singular. Nephilim is, or heme is the plural.

So you’ve got Elohim and the literal translation of Elohim is God of, or among the many gods. It’s a plurality of gods. And then a four is the beginning. Benet ha Elohim literally means the sons of the God of many gods. And so I said, what does that mean? And he started chuckling and he said, I know where you’re getting at.

And he says, don’t even go there. Don’t even worry about that. He said, it’s nothing mystical, nothing crazy. He said, it’s really just talking about the sons of the aristocrat. Who built the school of the profits that they went. He says almost in a literalist literal sense, slumming in the valley with the common women.

And that’s what it’s talking about. And I said, now, wait a second again. I said, let me get back to, you said that words mean things. And we teach the Bible in this very fundamental conservative Baptist setting that I was in, that the Bible is to be interpreted literally. And I said, but it doesn’t say any of that stuff about why doesn’t it just say, it’s the sons of the dudes who built the school and they went slumming amongst common women.

And I said, doesn’t say that anywhere. And I sit on top of that. It gives us a contrast, the sons of Elohim, the God of many. In contrast with the daughters of Adam or the daughters of humans. And I said, why is it making that contrast the sons of God, the daughters of humans. So what’s that mean? And the whole answer I got was basically don’t cause trouble with that.

Just don’t be a trouble maker, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And, uh, okay. Um, I’ve since spoken with that seminary professor years later. And, um, I, when I was writing this book, as a matter of fact, I was in seminary back in 80, 81, 82. Um, back when I was writing the rise and fall of them in between the rise and fall of the Nephilim and the reptilians book, I had a conversation with him.

We were catching up. He says, man, I wanted to talk to you. He says, he says, I saw you were on that. Uh, you, you work with the ghost hunters show and stuff like that. And I go, yeah. And uh, I said, I worked with their mates. And, uh, uh, so he was really into that stuff. So he loosened up a little bit about some of these other things.

And once you get out of certain settings and, um, uh, he said, it’s a mystery, it’s one of those mystery passages. So when did it first occur to me? And when did it become a thing? For me, it became a thing as soon I was told as soon as I was told don’t cause trouble. And I thought, well, what trouble is there to cause, um, and so I kept looking into it and sure enough, this passage, um, you can cross reference, um, passages in the book of Psalms to get the name of Elohim.

Now we were being taught in seminary that there is one God and only one, God, it is Elohim El Shaddai El. Um, uh, the, the one and only God yet Elohim the name used the most times is that plurality. And I found that it could stand for two things. It could stand for a singular God with a multiplicity of power and majesty.

That’s an interpretation. It could also stand for many gods Elohim. And so it’s kind of like our word for deer in English. I see a deer singular in my backyard. I see a herd of deer plural in my front yard, same word, denotes, singularity, and plurality yet. You’ve got, if you go to Psalm 82, you’ve got, God is passing judgment on a group called the divine council in the passage and the divine council.

It has at the beginning. It’s a divine council in the heavens. And you have, God’s saying while the passage says and Elohim or God in the English stood in the midst of the gods, and he said to them, you are all gods, the bright shining princes of Evan. But then he goes to pass judgment and in the Hebrew it’s and Elohim stood in the midst of the Elohim and he said to them, you are all Elohim and so on.

So you have the singular and the plural brought in together. And so you think, well, who are the Elohim? Um, we heard all these things about the, the Nephilim being, uh, the product of fallen angels, uh, that it was the Watchers who were also known as the Benihana high Elohim, the sons of God. They are the ones who be Queens.

Uh, or not bequeath who, um, fathered, uh, the Nephilim with human women, they went in and intermingled with human women and the som passage. All it does is verify that what we had heard all along was that these are fallen angels who had gone in and mixed with women. The problem is the word angel is never appears in the Hebrew passage.

It’s the word that word for, for angel is Malak or in the plural umbrella. Heme never appears. There never appears in the book of Enoch as malloc or Mo Mela him. It always appears is Elohim, which is the S the gods among many gods not angels. So I think what you’ve got and what you’ve got to, if you look at the book of.

What kind of throws you a little bit, all the archangels in the old Testament, they all had those names like Gabrielle, uh, as a Zelle, uh, Mike AOL, um, all these names that ended with L they were the names of God named them. They were named after God L and yet you’ve got in the passage in Enoch, you’ve got a whole bunch of other angels name.

They use these L terminologies without naming the archangels. And, uh, that these are all guys that are not mentioned to be angels. There’s not the name angel attached to them. And so it started me wondering, as I started looking into this, are we really being taught mano theism, a singular God in the old town.

When there’s so many places where it’s refers to Elohim in the plural, he refers to other beings as Elohim. He talks about you get to the whole serpent in the garden issue. Uh, the name has never Satan. It’s never the devil. It’s never Lucifer. It’s always in the Hebrew. He’s called in the garden of Eden story in Genesis Nikos, and Akash is a name that goes to the new Acosta, the bronze serpent, the Brighton shining serpent, the same derivation of the word that Moses used when he raised the bronze serpent on a pole for people to be healed and Akash, uh, is the definite by definition, the bright shining one, the bringer of knowledge, the bringer of illumination.

Um, the bright shining one, which relates again, does Psalm 82, God lays judgment on the yellow heme and says you are all the bright shining princes of heaven. And so what you’ve got in the Elohim and a caution, the book of Genesis, the serpent in the garden, um, that character is referred to as, as in another place, he is the same bright shining prince of heaven that you’re seeing in another passage.

So all of this stuff is the stuff that got me on the road to asking questions and going, there’s gotta be more. And by the way, that’s all for anybody listening. That’s all the surface stuff. That’s just surface stuff that you can find. If you do any superficial study of language and you start looking and comparing passages, that’s what it’s about.

And that’s what got me.

[00:14:22] Jeremiah: Wouldn’t

the. What did the theory of God talking to the, I don’t know what you call them, the elites or whatever. Wouldn’t that kind of go by the wayside when you have that passage, let’s make man in our image after our likeness, because that would mean that they’re different than


[00:14:45] Scott Alan Roberts: So exactly. And not only do you have, let’s make man in our image, you’ve got at the time when, uh, Eva’s tempted, seduced away by Nichol the serpent character in the story. And she gives it to Adam. Uh, well, what happens there? Uh, it says an Elohim said the humans have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and it become just like us.

Let us go prevent them from also eating of the tree of life. Less, they become like gods like us. And so, um, you start looking at that and you say, who are the people he’s talking to like us? Um, and another question that came up for me in that passage was what did God have against his creation, gaining knowledge and insight, because it seems to indicate that they had of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and become like God’s metal that has prevent them from becoming just like us.

That’s how he said it. And I thought, what, what’s the prohibition? There was it just, I want you as a slave and the moment you become enlightened and you’re no longer my slave and I’ll cast you out of paradise and a curse, the serpent character, the Nicos and all of that. So I think the whole. Garden of Eden Eden story.

I used to believe it was literal because I was a spiritual being, this is the creation of mankind. This is what God said happened. I think it’s more allegorical than anything something happened there. If there is a literal story there to be found, it’s that men kind I’ve seen it described this way. And you may have heard this before.

And I did write about this is that all the Hebrew phrases and terminology used in the garden of Eden story, the exchange between the serpentine Eve, the exchange between Adam and Eve, all these terms are neutral terms, but they are also all used as sexual terms. They are used as. Uh, there’s one, uh, that, that, that the serpent beguiled Eve it’s the same terminology in the Hebrew.

As, as tempting her seducing her sexually, he gave, he gave the fruit or she took it there’s sexual connotation there. She gave to Adam, he took it sexual connotation. There it’s almost as if, and I don’t mean this to sound flippant, uh, or making fun, but it’s almost like there was a sexual three-way between the serpents and Eve and Adam and Eve.

He presented to her something she didn’t have before opened her eyes, the bringer of knowledge, the forbidden things. And, uh, well, it did

say, um, it did say once they ate of the fruit or whatever, then they realized they were

naked and that’s it. That’s the first thing. Uh, why is the first thing that happens?

Uh, poof, they’re naked and, and, uh, it’s like, what does that got to do with the sinful fall of mankind? But then you start tracing this all the way through the old Testament. If you remember God curses the serpent in the garden, on your belly, you shall go and blah, blah, blah. And he tells the woman, now you’re gonna, now you’ve done it.

Now. You’re going to bear kids and it’s going to be painful. And your lot in life is not going and in, and amongst all this, he utters what is considered in rabbinic schools and Christian schools alike. The first prophecy of a coming Messiah. He says to the serpent and the woman he says, and there will be constant eminence.

Or division a war enemies between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. And then he says, but there will be a day when he will come and you will bite his heel, but he will crush your head. He says to the serpent, now that’s really ambiguous, weird prophetic terminology. But what that comes to mean is that there is now the need for a kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would come to redeem his people from their fallen state, that’s all tied into this prophecy of biting the heel and crushing the head.

And when we say Christ, the Hellenized or Greek version of Messiah, um, that is the. Um, wordplay, if you will, as to what is meant when they say the kinsmen Redeemer, the Messiah was described in Jewish terms, as the kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would be one of us Redeemer, and he was also a legal term, a kinsmen Redeemer could be somebody that could come in and pay off your debt, who is a kinsman of yours.

Um, and this is what the Messiah came to be known as. So you’ve got this kinsmen Redeemer now, and you see this in all the genealogies in the old tells you go to the book of numbers. There’s 13 chapters of genealogies, you know, limit. get so-and-so. It’s always traced through the first born son of a man.

This is how they trace their family lineage. Now, why were they doing that? Why did they chase trace the lineage? It’s because there is this thing called the kinsmen Redeemer, that that would save his people from their sins, the kinsmen Redeemer, the one who would be one of us Redeemer, the Messiah had to sprout from the Hebrew bloodline, the human bloodline.

And so if you see this repeated over and over and over again, the kinsmen Redeemer must come. He must be one of us. He must be well, what’s the option that he wouldn’t be one of us. Um, I think the option is obviating that there was a split in the bloodline. There will be constant enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.

I believe what you have happening is this. Remember Eve gave. To two sons, Cain and Abel, these were her first two sons. And it doesn’t say it in scripture, but I believe you can extrapolate from every year, every other first creation, mythology that’s out there. The births, the families that were always multiples or were twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets.

I think what you’ve got in Cain and Abel is the birth of twins. It coincides with all the other creation, mythology that’s out there. And first families of creation and you’ve got these twins that are born. And one I believe is the father is fathered by Nichol while the other is fathered by. And the way this plays out, when you start tracing all those genealogies.

Remember I said the Hebrew genealogy, the Israelite, genealogies Jewish, they all traced the firstborn son. But later in the old Testament, when you’ve got king, David of the Messiah must come from the line of David, the king that changed after the time of David. So they take David and they trace him back to Abraham.

They trace Abraham back to Adam. All these guys were linked in the bloodline. Why? Because the Messiah had to come from the human blood line and he had to come through the firstborn of each generation.

[00:23:55] Jeremiah: There’s probably people at home that are like, what are you talking about? There’s two fathers to twins.

You said they’re scientific. Scientific proof that that can happen. Yeah.

[00:24:06] Scott Alan Roberts: Actually I have twin daughters who are 30 years old and we were told at the time by the doctor there, they came in two separate placentas and they were conceived probably by the look of the development, probably 10 days apart. So I used to tell my kids when they were young, my daughters, I said, you’re lucky your mom and I were pro prolific, or there’d only be one of that.

So, you know, um, and it’s happened before. It’s, there’s, there’s been where some women have given birth to a white child and a black child. There’ve been those stories that, which aren’t just urban myths. And it’s because she had sex with a black man in a white man and ended up having twins or two children born at the same time.

And so this is what you add with Cain and Abel. Now, uh, the, the interesting thing about this too, is you start tracing. Is if Cain CA if you remember in the genealogies, in a traces all the way back, it goes from Abraham, Noah, back to Adam. Well, no, it’s like the great grandson of Adam, I think, or something like that.

But you have Abraham, you have David. It always traces the line of, and the Bible’s very clear that Kane was the first born. But when you look in the genealogies in the Bible, it always traces the line of the Messiah through Seth. Seth was the third born son because you had Cain and Abel, what, what did Abel do?

Knocks off his brother came or knocks off his brother, Abel. So all you’ve got is king. Well, Cain is said to have Purdue, to be the firstborn of the twins. And the Bible tells us that he had sons, his son was Enoch, a different. And he built a city, the first city in the land of nod for his wife and for EasyKnock, which is a whole nother question because the Bible never tells us that Adam and Eve had other kids before them

or where the other people were, that Cain ran off

to where they came from.

And you’ve got a Cain and Abel first to chicken skin scratched through Abel Cain runs off to the land of nod, marries a woman there and builds a city, has a son, but then you’ve got Eve giving birth to Seth, her third child. And she says, God has given me a man child to replace my lost son, Abel. So there weren’t other kids before that time.

So here’s the interesting thing about that. They’re tracing the messianic kinsmen Redeemer, first son bloodline through Seth. Because Abel was gone. Abel was the son of the human man, Adam Cain. They couldn’t trace the bloodline through cane. Why? Because he killed his brother. No, because his bloodline wasn’t pure human.

He was a mix of human and Celeste steal, blood Elohim and human blood. This is why they could not trace through him. And then by the time the flood comes, you have this whole story of the Nephilim and the Ben, a hot Elohim. The sons of God be having sex with human women. Bequeathing the Nephilim. Then you go right into the story.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and the God came to, I’m going to bring a flood in. So we know the story of the very familiar story we were taught in Sunday school. The reason for the flood was the wickedness of mankind and God needed to wipe out man, but that’s not the case. When you go into the Hebrew.

It says that Noah was chosen by God, not because he was a puritanical human, who was the only follower of, of Elohim anymore that he got chosen because it says he was a righteous man who was pure in all his generations back to Adam, meaning he is the son of Seth, the third born. He is in that, that line.

And so all these genealogies do through the whole old Testament, then they’re there to establish one thing that there is a pure human bloodline from which the kinsmen Redeemer, the Messiah can come. And even all the way up to the time of Jesus. What happened? You had the disciples who wrote about them in the gospels.

They trace. Back to the bloodline of David, the king, they trace even Joseph, the stepfather trace him all the way back to, they were distant cousins in the same bloodline of the house of David. And we don’t know if that’s the truth or not. If you’re a believer in Christianity, that’s the truth to you. But all of this, you had the story of the Messiah and the pure kinsmen Redeemer, piggybacking, if you will, on the story of race interrupted because you had Nakash whoever he was, one of the Elohim came down and intermingled with Eve just as the Benihana Elohim, inter intermingled with the daughters of men and be queen the Nephilim.

Who was Cain? Really? I think tain was probably the very first of the Nephilim because he was the offspring of an LL heme Nikos and a human woman, which is what we have when we get to the Nephilim passage. So there’s a much bigger, hidden story encoded underneath all of this it’s race interrupted. It’s uh, um, the story of a sexual encounter between the caution Eve.

As, uh, as I heard it put once by somebody I read it, it was, I think it was all this, no, it wasn’t all this Huxley with somebody else. And he’s, you know, not a believer in Christianity and so on, but he said basically because Adam and Eve fucked, we’re all screwed. He said, he said, that’s what happened. It bequeath that to us.

That’s what we’re being taught in scripture yet. I think the scripture doesn’t teach purely that there’s one single God, it teaches, there are multiple gods. It teaches not anything about the sexual, uh, um, convolution of mankind. It teaches about this is why sin came into the world. It’s been watered down the teachers at the flood came because God wanted to punish.

He was going to wipe out all of mankind for sending, but he saved the one guy and his family who were the righteous ones, but that’s not what the passage really reads. He saved the righteous man who was pure in his bloodlines all the way back to Adam and it excluded cane and it was cane and the Kennedys.

That were all wiped out in the flood, this hybrid race of beings in, by the way, you look into other mythologies and other religions, and spiritualities where there’s a creation myth, a creation first family creation, first children of this first family. And there’s always some fallout. There is always some mixing with, with, uh, beings.

There’s always a flood story that is there for one purpose alone to eradicate whatever race is there that was not meant to be there. That was a, uh, a, uh, um, it’s the word I’m looking for a bastardization of humanity and that’s always there. So these are the things that piqued my interest. These are the things that made me study this out, and there’s still more to study.

I certainly haven’t ripped into all the nooks and crannies of this, but man, I’m telling. And I think even you start getting I’m speculating here. Now you’re getting into places like go Beckley Teppei in Northeastern Turkey, or is it Southeastern? Um, that is a temple site that dates back pre flood. And you know how we know this, there were two major flood catastrophes in geological history.

One was about 6,000 years ago and one was about 8,000 years ago. Go Beckley Teppei dates back 12,000 years ago. Um, or to 12,000 BC, no 12,000 years ago. And so you’ve got a series of temples that existed. What did they say? There’s animals on those things that we don’t even recognize? There’s things there there’s things we don’t even know a whole series of, uh, barely uncovered go Beckley to.

And, but it was meticulously buried. It was signs of having been rebuffed. They buried all these temple sites and there’s been speculation might be because of a great geologic flood. It might be, you know, something like that. And so it’s really interesting when you start digging into this to say, there’s a science here that I even haven’t even delved too deeply.

That indicates that there was a hell of a lot going on before the flood and, uh, the flood changed things. So,


[00:34:26] Jeremiah: so during this whole, um, happening with the fall of the, uh, angels for the lack of better term and, uh, where do the giants play into to all that?

[00:34:40] Scott Alan Roberts: The giants that’s, that’s another. There is, it calls them giants.

And there’s some places where it says they measure out to be 36 feet tall and it took, you know, 500 goats and, uh, you know, 137 something else to feed them every day. Now, if that were the case, you’re obviously seeing mythological exaggeration there. Um, if you had giants or race of giants, eating that many goats every day, you’d go to go extinct in a week.

So, um, you had, you have to look at that and say, there’s some mythological play going on here. Um, I think giants here, here’s a, here’s a good way to put it. Um, you look at the very familiar story of David and Goliath, the giant of Gath. And what does the Bible call him? The Bible calls gold. Um, and there was a Nephilim who lived and his three brothers in Gath and, uh, the Nephilim, the fie, and all these words for these, uh, not angelic beings, these, these, uh, um, uh, gigantic beings.

Now we know from the measurements of Goliath, it says in the Bible that in the, in the book of Samuel, that Goliath was stood six cubits and a span. Now what’s a cubit Accubid was roughly elbow to fingertips. So six of those and a span was the width of a man’s hand. So in the, and it all depends on what size he was too.

I am on the radio. Sorry about that. It’s okay. And, uh, so I’m sorry, Mike. I have three kids at home, 12, 10, and seven. So, um, there you go. Life familial interlude. When I do my own radio show, sometimes I think my kids just wait for me to get on air and they just come back here behind I’m in wide screen and they come back behind.

They’re like, you know, they’re doing all kinds of crap behind me. I’m like, all right, speak up. So, um, uh, he’s six cubits and a span. What’s a cubit is generally regarded to be about 16 to 18 inches. You know, you measure my cubit, it’s roughly 18 inches. So what do you get when you take six cubits and a span?

Roughly? I figured this out once, roughly nine foot three. Um, that’s pretty big, but that’s a far cry from 36 feet. Um, there are also passages that are older that mentioned that Goliath. For cubits and a span. So it got changed somewhere along the way, four cubits in the span. I think it was the book of Jubilees or something like that.

I don’t know where that was found, but four cubits in his span would be what’s four times a foot and a half, six feet. You’d be six foot, three, six foot six back in the day and age. When most guys didn’t get much above four foot, two to four foot, I’m sorry, five foot, two to five foot six, you got a six foot six, man.

He’s going to be gigantic. So the whole Cuban is span. We don’t have an a, but they said that his spear was like a Weaver’s rod from a loom and that his spearhead weighed so many shekels of weight. Um, so we don’t know how big he really was. I’ve heard people try to explain it away as giantism. I don’t buy that first.

Uh, giant is most guys who suffer from giantism are not strong. They’re not warriors. You wouldn’t classify them as warriors. Although you did have Andre, the giant who suffered from giantism, it’s a possibility. But if there were giant beings, Goliath is a measures anywhere from six, six to 903, uh, somewhere in that range of height.

And remember the Philistines also have these long helmets with the tall feathers. Uh, if you look at inscriptions, the big tall helmets, are they measuring his, his helmet to his feet or his head to his feet? It could add on the height. All it says is that he was terrifying. He terrified the Israelite army, and then he came out and he said, he said, whoever fights me wins.

And, uh, he came up and, and absolutely terrified the Israelites. Well, then it’s David, of course we know the story and David wasn’t a kid. Uh, David was probably a kid in the sense of maybe a college age kid. He was like the age of a frat boy, think of it that way. And he came up and he said, I just killed a lion with my sling.

I can kill this guy. And slings were pretty handy weapons back then. And that’s exactly what he does. He sinks a stone into his forehead, then takes Goliath stone sword and cuts off his head and brings it back to Jerusalem with him, which by the way is a very interesting little story. He brings Goliath head to Jerusalem with him.

Well, here’s the thing, David didn’t conquer Jerusalem, the city of Salem for another 13 years. So he’s got this head of Goliath and the sort of Gullah. For over 13 years. And, uh, he puts the sword into storage. He probably, we forget David was a middle Eastern Monarch in the making. He was a warrior. He became the captain of the King’s bodyguard that also tells you, he wasn’t a kid when this happened.

And he was a warrior and he went to war for king Saul, and he probably took that head of Goliath, dried it, put it on a pole. It was probably one of his banners that his troops would carry into battle. That’s David, David, the giant Slayer. And, uh, but now another very interesting thing, as long as I’m on this topic, it’s very interesting that David, I believe David was a real guy.

I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt that David, his son, Solomon Solomon built temple one. Archeologically speaking in Jerusalem. David, it says slew Goliath, but this comes out of a book that is rife with apologetic about David. There’s a lot of samples of apologetics for middle Eastern and the regional Kings in that day and age and an apologetic simply as something that makes you look better than you are and makes your enemies look worse than they are.

That’s the book also where we find the six cubits and a span. Um, but here’s David and he slays this giant will in another book, the book of Chronicles right there in the old Testament written by somebody else, the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, it says, um, and David, what did it say? And David, it was listing the mighty deeds of David’s mighty men of.

And it’s got four or 5, 6, 7 examples of his great men who fought for him, who did things. And it talks about, um, uh, uh, I can’t think of his name off the top of my head now, like Jedediah the, the, the or something like that. One of David’s mighty men, it says, and David slew, or I’m sorry. And Jedediah, it’s not his name.

I can’t think of it. Um, Jedediah, slew, Goliath, whose spear was like a loom was shaft and you know, who stood and so on. And then it goes under the next guy. And that was, it’s just a list in Chronicles. It doesn’t make any bones about it. It says somebody else slew the giant. Now did David take credit for it?

Did David’s the story of David and Goliath? The true story. It’s hard to. But what we do know, remember in that story that I know we’re a little off subject, but just to give you an idea of a flavor of apologetic, remembering that story, how David doesn’t know, why does Saul want to kill me? I’m the captain of his bodyguard.

I go to war for him. I fight for him. I am a righteous man. Yet Saul wants to constantly kill him and take him out. And then there’s a thing where he’s got a friendship with Saul’s son. Jonathan, Jonathan says, I’m going to go consult with my father about this. And he says, watch for me. If I shoot an arrow, you said run.

He said he had him a high out in hiding. Why are you going after David? And his father throws his spirit. Him, according to this story, he’s so enraged about David. So Jonathan goes up and he shoots an arrow and David’s seasoned. He’s like crap, he’s got to run. And where does he go? He goes to the high priest.

And the city of Nome to get the sword of Goliath. And he’s not king yet. He’s got the king chasing him what we don’t know and what you do, you have to sort through it all. Is that David, it said later the David took to wife. He took Abigail to his wife. He had Micah, the King’s daughter already that was promised to him to whoever slew the giant.

Then he took, uh, um, a woman named Abigail. There’s a whole story behind that. Then he took another woman and I can’t think of her name off the top of my head right now either, but he took her to wife. But the only other time you ever see her mentioned in scripture is as the wife of Saul, the king of Israel.

And there’s other things that connect her to Saul. So what actually happened here? David knew that the prophet anointed him to be the next king. He’s a great warrior. He has this great position, the captain of the Kings bodyguard that people love him. What does he do? He screws around with Saul’s wife.

What’s the penalty for that? Do you think in ancient, uh, the, the ancient middle east, you screw the King’s wife. Uh, you will probably have your end trails wrapped around your throat before you are put to death in a very miserable way. Um, so David runs and she goes with him when Saul is hunting David down, why is he doing that?

Here’s the, here’s the beauty of, of, of, uh, um, um, oh, for Pete’s sake. I lost the word, the, uh, I just had a brain fart of. Stories that are written to make you look better, um, than the apologetic apologetic. Here’s that the heart of apologetic is they’re making David look like the innocent man who didn’t do anything wrong yet.

In the other passages, in other books, they show all the things he did. They didn’t spare that you’ve got the sin of David is sleeping with, with Beth Sheba and having her husband murdered. He’s already king at that time. Uh, why did they include that story? Because they couldn’t exclude it. David was a bloody man.

He was a warrior. He worked to build Israel and the king ship and he gave Solomon, he grieved his son, a peaceful kingdom. David was probably not somebody you would have liked if you met him. He was a dirty, foul murdering king. This is who he. Was he the sweet Psalmist of Israel as the Bible calls him?

Yeah, he probably played harp. He probably wrote a few songs and a few songs. I don’t think there’s any doubt, but even bad guys have their good side, even good guys have their bad side. So all of this ties into the, all this stuff. When we talk about the Nephilim, you talk about Goliath being one of the Nephilim.

Was he really that big? Your question was about giants and I got all the way over into king David. Now, Nephilim

[00:47:37] Jeremiah: and giants are two separate

[00:47:38] Scott Alan Roberts: things. I believe they’re two separate things. There’s a mistranslation in the Hebrew, in the old Hebrew. There is also, it talks about giants, but, uh, um, there is also a cast of beings that is known in, in, uh, Jewish or, or Israelite Hebrew.

Canaanite if you will mythology called the give Borin and. In the Hebrew, they had the Gabor him, which was a cast of beings, which were giant beings. And they were, it’s almost like the gin. When you think about gin, they could be very benevolent. They could be very evil. It all dependent on what they felt like at the moment.

But the Gabor from were these mighty men of valor in ancient Israel before Israel even became Israel. Um, in ancient Canaan, when they were a tribe, the tribe of a, of a, uh, Israel, uh, the son of Jacob, even before the Jacob, uh, before that. And, uh, the Gabor them were referred to as the men of old, the heroes of renown.

Where do you see that term being used? And Genesis six one through four, the Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward. And they were the heroes of old and the men of renown were also on the earth in those days. I think you’re missing a little bit of click over somewhere. What you’ve got in Genesis six, one written by Moses, a story that existed long before Moses existed.

And I think he’s pulling over salient details to give a basis for his introduction, to why God brought a flood to mankind. Um, you’ve got the book of Enoch, which some people say, oh, well, that’s, that’s not as old, that’s a fake book. Or it was one of those pseudepigraphal books written during the intertestamental period between the old and new Testament times.

Well, the problem is you have some of the old Testament prophets quote from the book of mean. You’ve got Jesus himself quoted from the book of Enoch. You’ve got the apostle Paul who wrote two thirds of the new Testament quoted from the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was there and it existed already. I think it’s a much older book that may have gotten rewritten.

The reason they dated into the four hundreds, what happened in the four hundreds after the Babylonian captivity, Babylon came and sacked Israel, they burned the temple to the ground. Didn’t leave a stone one on top of the other looted, all the goods from the temple and they hauled off Israel. The people made them hike all the way up to Babylon as captives.

Well, after the time of Daniel, we’re all familiar with Daniel in the lion’s den. That story that all took place in Babel. During the Hebrew captivity in Babylon. Well, finally, one of these times, one of the Kings down the road about a hundred years later said, you can all go home now. So Israel’s let, let free they’re set free.

They all go back to Israel. Well, at the same time, this is in the five hundreds to the four hundreds BCE. What’s missing all the Hebrew writings, all the temple goods. So they send 72 rabbis to, um, Ptolemy the second, the Greek Pharaoh of Egypt. Um, and they say, they asked for permission to go to of all places, the library of Alexandria, which would have been the storehouse of every bit of ancient knowledge.

Imagine what, that, that, that was the Smithsonian of its day. And why did they want to go there? They went there so they could find and rewrite the Hebrew scriptures for what purpose. Now they knew the Hebrew scriptures orally, there was an oral tradition. This is why you have like, you go to bar mitzvahs.

And so on. They’re quoting the Bo the Hebrew Torah. Why did they do this? So they would never forget it was written on their hearts. They didn’t need a piece of paper, but now after so much time had passed, you have to go and reconstruct this. They did that for two reasons to re-establish the history of Israel and to, to bolster the faithful Jews of Israel.

And what was the product of all their work? These 72 rabbis, the product was known as the Septuagint or the sip to a Ginter. Um, that is the Greek. The Hellenistic Greek version of the old Testament today, if you open a Bible and you go to the old Testament that in English, that is the English version of the Septuagint written by these 72 rabbis.

So what happened in that period when they created all of this, they created all of those books, books that Constantine in the three hundreds, eight D had kicked out of the Bible, the, all the bishops that couldn’t agree on the suit, not the suit of pigs. Well, there was a suit, a picture of her, but there was also the, uh, um, apocryphal books.

They kicked them all out of the Bible. There was only run criteria, the constant seats. I don’t give a rat’s ass. What you come to as a conclusion, all I want is that it’s to be unanimous. And so in unanimity, they couldn’t come to some terms on unanimity on some of these books. So they had to remove them from the Canon of screen.

But they, some, they were so heated to debate that they said, we’re just going to set them over here in these apocryphal books. Uh, um, one of those books was, of course EasyKnock where you’ve got all this crazy stuff. Have I say, Enoch is like the old Testament on crack and you go to that and there’s crazy stuff going on.

Um, so when you get to the book of Enoch, that’s in the apocryphal books, what is that book of Enoch? I think it existed a hell of a lot long, longer than 400 BCE. That’s a book that they reconstructed in 400 BC. And so all of that to say, all these events listed in Enoch were things that took place that were known.

I think Moses, if he grew up in deed was a prince of Egypt and I think he w I think he was. Right there. Here. I turned my camera a little bit. That was him right there. in the 18th dynasty, he was a grand Vizier held 92 Royal titles. I believe that that’s the guy who, who we know as Moses. He became Moses.

What do we don’t know about sentiment in Egyptian history? Nobody knew where he came from. They didn’t know who his parents were. He was adopted and elevated to high status, then disappeared around the time he was 40, which coincides with the biblical story. This guy lived in the chronological calendar.

That would have been the same as matched the story in the Bible. So you look at all of this. If this was the guy he would have grown up in the, in the school of the Nobles, the house of the Nobles, that’s where he would have gotten his education. Moses would have been a prince of Egypt. This guy had the.

He was given the title by Pharaoh headships at the hereditary crown prince of Egypt. So Moses was a prince of Egypt, but when he left all that, he became a shakeout in the desert and Midian. Um, when he started, when he led the people out and he wrote the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, I believe he’s falling back on what he knew, his education, uh, that he grew up with.

What was his education? I think he knew about the book of Enoch. I think he knew about all of these things. There’s one thing in particular, that’s a favorite little tidbit of mine. Archeologically speaking. When you see Moses and he’s at the burning Bush, which there’s no proof for. He was the only guy there.

He just wrote about it. But at the burning Bush, what is he? He says to God, Okay, I’ll go like you’re commanding, but me kind of seem to kind of lean in figuratively and go, whom shall I say sent me what that was, was Moses seeking to find out the private name of God, because like Rumpelstiltskin in, in the legends, if you know the deputy’s name, you have some power over it.

What was Jehovah’s or, or Elohim his response from the burning Bush, none of your business. What my name is, you tell them I am sent you. I am that great. I am they speak of now. What’s interesting about that. That makes no sense. I am that I am. What does that mean? Um, the very interesting thing is this is the only place in the Bible where you see a Mesopotamian word.

Being used for that phrase, that phrase I am, that I am is an ancient Mesopotamian Marian wordplay, which literally means I am that inky. They speak of now, here’s the big question, God, knowing there, there were no Jews that were captive in Egypt for Moses to deliver Judaism didn’t exist until, until Moses codified it.

After the Exodus, what you’ve got are a bunch of Canaanites, a tribe of people, and they had certain belief systems. But what did you have when, when a God in the burning Bush says to Moses, I am that inky, they speak of, you probably have a people that knew exactly who Winkie was. And they, many of them probably even thought that God was in.

’cause where did Canaanite religion come from? Where does the name L in Elohim have its source Mesopotamia sooner ACAD the chief God of the ANU or the anew Knocky was at that time was known as Elidel or Enlil El Lil, the chief God, his brother God was, was, Ankiel also known as ER, in the neighboring Acadian culture.

ER, is the same base word for Yahweh way, which is Jehovah. El is the same base word for L for Elohim El Shaddai a yum, which transferred down from the Euphrates river valley all the way down into the Canaanite region as people migrated down there. So what do you have? You’ve got a Mesopotamian word. The ties into what Canaanite peoples would have known inky is the God of gods, um, Jehovah or Elohim in the burning bushes saying, I am that inky.

They speak of that. that’s really me. That’s who I am. And then of course you got the whole twist with Jehovah. Jehovah is a totally different God than Elohim, just like you had LL. And you have Elohim and Yahweh Jehovah in the Canaanite culture. So all of this stuff, it, it, it challenges, you know what it did.

It blew my mind, this stuff because I came out of Christianity and I still am very careful to not say I’ve given up Christianity. I haven’t thrown out the baby with the bath water, but.

I don’t know what to believe about it anymore, because I’ve seen too much of this. And I’ve had people say, well, that’s just Satan. Satan has. And I go, you mean, Nakash no Satan has deceived you. It’s a live Satan. And like, I don’t buy that. I’m just looking at history. Well, Satan knew the Messiah was coming.

So he predestined no, all of this it’s diabolical mimicry, Justin martyr called it in the first century. Um, I don’t think that’s true, but the devil raised up fake messiahs to throw us off the real path to me that says God was not strong enough to keep the real line alive. Then if Satan could forge it by just going, I’m going to have this guy be a Messiah now, won’t they be confused when the real one comes along?

I don’t know. But, uh, so all of this stuff, it will challenge you. It makes you think. And either at the core of it, all, everything is true. Biblically speaking, it’s all true. And we’ve either got it wrong. Or we need to study more to find the correlations or there’s something different at play here. There is a maybe, perhaps a pro toe religion that existed way back in time.

Um, even got you look at the book of job in the old Testament. Remember you hear always the patience of job job was, and by the way, job is the oldest chronological book written in the Bible. So it’s older than anything else written. It’s pre Judaic religion. They’ve got illusions in that book to pagan religions of the day.

They talk about. Uh, God, when he’s cha when, uh, uh, challenging, uh, job, when the arguments come up and he’s saying, were you there? When I put the Pleiades in the heavens, did you loose loosen Orion’s belt? And did you do this? And did you do that? And he brings up another name is something we’ve never identified, but the three constellations you mentioned were the three primary constellations for the pagan religions in Canaan.

So what religion are we looking at there? Uh, who is the God speaking to him? And, uh, you’ve got the situation where it says, and Satan came into the courts of heaven and accused job. And job says, ah, my servant will stand no matter what you do, you still, you can do anything you want to him just don’t take his life.

So they’re playing this game of chess. This game, like the Olympian gods used to do playing games with the lives of a human. But the interesting thing too, is that Satan, it says when Satan came into the courts of heaven, you look into the Hebrew, it says the Satan there’s an article before the title, the Satan, the deceiver came in, it was a title.

It wasn’t a name. It wasn’t a personal pronoun. The Satan came in, uh, you know, it’d be like the cowboy came in and accused. And so, um, in the book of job, you got all this stuff going on. I was going to say something else about job and I forgot, but, uh, um, I’m not slipping because of old age. My brain is tired today.

[01:03:58] Jeremiah: Um, no, you’re just saying they were testing him.

[01:04:01] Scott Alan Roberts: They were testing him, playing games and all of that. So, um, um, you’ve got all of this stuff and I was, I think I was trying to make a tie into the ancient religions. So all of this stuff, when you think about. It’s going to drive you a bit nutty. Um, especially if you were grounded as I was, I was really grounded in my faith.

I was a Baptist. I was a conservative, I was a fundamentalist. Now I gave it the fundamentalist and Baptist part a lot sooner than I walked away from the faith itself. But, uh, that’s because I could no longer buy the legalism of the Baptist and the fundamentalism and so on. And I stepped away and I went into more liberal types of theology.

And now there’s some of that. I just, I can’t, I can’t buy it. Um, Jesus is the one thing I haven’t cast aside people. Well, what do you do with Jesus now, Scotty. And, uh, you accepted him into your heart. You were born again, Christian in the Baptist church. And I say, I can’t throw out Jesus. There is something about Jesus that is different.

I think Jesus was one of the Elohim. Um, you see the same titles. You’ve heard this before used for Jesus and oh my God, for Lucifer in the old Testament, they’re both called the star of the morning. Uh, the protector of God’s brilliance, um, all of this stuff. Um, the morning of the Brighton morning star terms used for both Jesus and Lucifer, um, were they both of the cast of the Elohim Jesus?

When it says I am the only begotten son of the father, he says, well, does that mean he was, or that he, by nature of his act and who he became, that he became the only begotten son of the father, is this what was happening? Um, we don’t know for sure. But Jesus, I believe is somebody who, the mystics, the Gnostics upheld him as a son of God as a holy man, but they had many sons of God.

They had many messiahs that they elevated to that status. And if you, I did a whole series of my own radio show a year and a half ago about the Gnostics and how there was a war going on between early Christianity and early Christian Church. What became known as the literal Orthodox church became known as the Catholic church.

By the end of the second century, they were at war with the Gnostics who said, it’s not a literal story guys. It’s, it’s a figure two person. It’s somebody we have elevated to this status. He was not literally the, and what did the Catholic church do in spreading the love of Jesus Christ? They made sure that they murdered every single Gnostic that they could find in the name of God to spread the message of the love of Christ and, uh, uh, which is just totally counter to each other in the, in the get-go.

So they won the battle and they became the Roman church and it was Constantine who named himself the first Pope of that church and said, I will have two things. I will have one emperor equals one, God, one empire equals one religion. And when he can vote the council of Nicea, the first of its kind of, of many councils to come among the criteria was you need to establish the criteria for making one God, one emperor, one religion, one empire come to pass.

And then you had Eusebius is church historian who wrote it all down. And so when you start hearing this, you start questioning, oh my God, what is my faith? Really? What’s it built on? There’s an awful lot of spirituality in there, an awful lot of mysticism of off a lot of stuff, but what’s the fundamental thing we don’t really know.

So all of that to say, you said at the beginning of this show, you said they might challenge the way you guys think or believe that’s how it challenged me. Um, is that it’s like, I know too much. It’s like, okay, make me ignorant again. So I can put my head back in the sand and believe what I was told. Um, or is there something more to, yeah, the more I

[01:08:53] Jeremiah: look into things, the more like I can question things.

So it’s like, I think I know something and then I’ll listen to something else or read something else and it’ll change what I was thinking the first time. And it’s just kind like. You don’t really know. There’s just bits and pieces and you’re trying to

[01:09:12] Scott Alan Roberts: put it all together. That’s it? That’s it. And I don’t want to just Swain anybody from believing what they know in their heart is true.

I could be all washed up and wrong. Um, it may be exactly what I learned in seminary and in church with various, but there’s even variations in Christian denominations as to what’s what, um, so there is a struggle there to know. What’s right. I have always personally struggled with the idea that God who wants, according to Christian theology, once no one to be separate from him, any eternity for all of infinity, all of eternity, he wants you in heaven.

We’re told in Christianity, he doesn’t want you to go to hell yet. That same God is the God that does nothing that will convince me. Otherwise, it’s something that. It’s an infinite concept that God through the scripture has told me, I need to accept with my finite mind. And, uh, um, the Bible itself says, Hey, if a person even came back from the dead, you wouldn’t believe if you didn’t choose to believe.

Well, I say, yeah, maybe so, because we may go, well, we don’t know if that guy really came back from the dead. Do we? Um, what I would love to see is God, step into mankind, not just in an ambiguous, a spiritual sense that you got to figure 2000 years later, you’re scratching your head going. What happened? Um, you would think that God would do everything in his obviously omnipotent.

To keep us from suffering that infinite end. And so when I see that, I say, there’s something amiss here. There’s something we are missing here, um, in faith. And so I’m not encouraging anybody to leave the faith. I’m encouraging you to test the faith, put it to the test, find out what it says, find out what it means.

I find myself praying sometimes to God, what do I do here? Um, show me, show me if you are really it show me and I go, this is a way different topic, but I’ll tell you there’s one time I hadn’t been to church for a long time. My now 30 year old twin daughters were like 15. So this is 15 minutes before I met my wife rainy.

So it’s gotta be 17, 18 years. I have a very dear friend who was the pastor of a very good church that I went to. And I worked with the youth there. I worked with men’s ministries and it was a very deeply believer. This is probably pushing more like 20 years ago. And I remember I hadn’t been to church for a few years, so it was starting to doubt a lot of the stuff.

And I remember praying and I said, I’m going to go to church today. I’m going to hear my good friends speak. I’m going to enjoy the song service, which I always loved in that church. He was very big on that. I’m going to enjoy the class that you go to before the sermon with the, all the guys, my age, and we enjoyed each other and had a good time that at least couples.

And so I got to church and I said, God, I’m just going to, I’m going to lay out my fleece. Please give me a bone. I said, throw this dog above. And I said, I know you don’t really work that way, but if you got a bone to cast me, throw it. So I went to church and the first thing I found my faith, my class with all my friends, they had somebody coming in from the, the, uh, the elder board that was talking about finance in the church.

So it was a bland class. Oh, okay. Whatever. Well then, uh, I get with my friends where we go into the service and I’m going to sit and I’m going to love this song service while they sang one song. And then they talked about the business of the church. There was some big thing was happening and they were sharing it with the church, with the classes.

And so the service was cut short. I was disappointed all booboo you say, so what you know, it’s I got there on the wrong Sunday, then I that, well, I’ll, I’ll listen to my friends speak and see what he has to say. And he was on vacation and there was a guest speaker who I totally tuned. He didn’t speak to me at all.

And I remember I sat there that may all sound very superficial to you and to everybody. But I sat there in that setting and I started to cry. I wasn’t weeping. I just, ah, I was just like, what is going on here today? And my eyes welled up and the wife of my friend, we were all sitting in the same, uh, pew together.

And she kind of looks over at me and she reaches over and she taps me and she mounds cause the speaking and she goes, are you okay? And I looked at her and I said, I got to go. And I got up and I left. And uh, they did message me to see if I was okay and stuff like that. But, um, all of that to say is that even on an occasional.

I thought I could throw a bone out to God or have God throw me a bone. It didn’t happen. And it was one of two things either. I’m a, I’m a blunt ignorant idiot, and God is saying, I don’t need to throw you a bone. I’ve already given you everything you need to know, use your head, or it wasn’t anything what I thought it was.

And, uh, um, so there you go, there, you have it. I’ve now got, I had three older kids from a previous marriage. I’ve got my three younger kids. Now we have not raised them in the church. I’ve been with my wife for almost 17 years. And, uh, we have not, um, raised our kids, Christian, although I don’t not expose them to it.

Um, I had one. Went to camps last summer Christian camp and stuff like that and had a good time. And I said, well, tell me what you learned. I got my son who used to ask me all the time at bed time, sing me a song about Jesus. Cause I used to sing songs from the bedtime that were some of the old youth group songs.

Um, there was one song and I know this is not on topic at all. It’s just pertinent to me. There was one song that said it was by Michael card. And I sang this to my kids with the guitar at bedtime. It says to hear with my heart, to see with my soul. Um, how did it go when I’m not singing it? I think of the words to be guided by a hand, I cannot hold to trust in a way that I cannot see that’s what faith must be.

And so I would talk to my kids about faith. And so all of this stuff, way back to what you said at the beginning, it wrapped by faith. And it tore it apart. Cause I let it cause I was questioning, I wanted the answers and the answers I got were not manufactured answers to undo religion. They were what was there historically.

And so there you go. I know we drifted way off topic, but

[01:17:09] Jeremiah: uh, no, it’s all good. Um, so one, one last thing, if you got Tom, uh, what do you think as far as the fallen angels and Watchers and I just, I have to know personally, do you think that plays into the whole like alien, alien abduction, UFO phenomenon? I think it plays

[01:17:32] Scott Alan Roberts: into it.

How closely? I don’t know. I used to say, um, murder the first time I kind of coined this. I, I mentioned it in my book, but the first time I said it publicly, I was on coast to coast with George Nori. He was asking me, well, wrap this, wrap this up for a Scotty, you know? And, and so I started, I said, you know, the story of the Nephilim, it’s the story of, and I mentioned it here once before tonight, is this story of race interrupted?

Oh, this is George. And I, I said, you know what I mean by that is, this is something where something came in and disrupted humanity. The big question is, have we tried to not necessarily cover it up? But, uh, the, the, the ediology of myth is the way we explain things that happened to put it into mythological terms.

So we understand it better. Is that what we have done with alien abductions, that what we’ve done with alien races that came to this planet? I’m not saying that happened, but I can’t say it didn’t happen. The universe is a pretty big place. And, uh, trying to say that there is no possibility that that happened in the past, or why doesn’t it happen to now?

People say, well, maybe it does. Um, what did it say in the book of mark? One of the gospels, as it was in the days of Noah social would be at the coming of the son of man talking about the second coming, the second advent of Christ, coming back to the earth to rapture the millennial kingdom, all of this.

And what was going on in the days of Noah, you had beings so less steel beings coming down and intermingling with the daughters of human and creating an, a, a hybrid race. Is that the same thing we see going on now? Are we in the end times?

That was my daughter exasperated by seven-year-old exasperated with wondering if we’re in the end times or not,

[01:19:51] Jeremiah: but yeah, definitely. Um, so it could be, so

[01:19:55] Scott Alan Roberts: it could be, so it might be, it looks like it could be, you know, an interesting little factoid and I put this in the book, um, was the 33rd parallel issue.

Um, oh yeah, I read that. That was interesting. I just find it interesting. And I had bill burns from UFO hunters. Uh, he said to me, man, he says you’re onto something there, but, uh, um, hold on one second daughter, I’m on the radio. Could you turn that off? Thank you. And don’t scream. Uh, so sorry folks again, a seven year old who has, uh, is the undisputed queen of the universe.

And we have to deal with that every day. So, um,

[01:20:44] Jeremiah: so what’s on the 33rd parallel parallel on

[01:20:47] Scott Alan Roberts: the 33rd parallel. If you go to the north of Israel up on the border between Israel and Lebanon, there’s a three Mo peaked mountain there, three with a mountain range. Um, and there’s a mountain called Mount Herman that is there that straddles the border between Israel and Lebanon.

Now, mountain Herman is mentioned in the Bible a couple of times, but it’s also mentioned in the book of Enoch, um, and it talks about, um, and in those days, the prefects from heaven came down and set foot on the slopes of Mount our Mon Mount. Our moon is Mount Herman. And this is where the 200 prefix, according to the book of Enoch set foot on the ground, they’re not called angels called prefix of heaven.

It gives their names, Shum, JASA, um, and all these other ones. And this is where they came down and set foot. Uh, the Ben a ha Elohim, the sons of the God of many gods, the Watchers, they came down and set foot on Mount our moan. And they went into the cities below and do what with the human women. And by the way, it says they loved them.

It wasn’t an evil act. Let’s go in ha we are minions of Satan. And we shall, you know, uh, lead the people astray. It said they chose whomever they wanted, and they loved the ones they chose and they dwelt with them. They didn’t just impregnate. They married them. Then they, they, they lived with them, taught them the heavenly gifts, the forbidden knowledges, well Mount our moan or Mount Herman sits on the 33rd parallel in the grid that goes around the globe.

Now, if you trace the 33rd parallel, I don’t know why this is here. This way. Trace the 33rd parallel from Mount Herman in Lebanon, Israel, all the way around the globe to the opposite side of the globe, the exact opposite spot on the 33rd parallel. What do you have? Roswell New Mexico. Oh shit. The crash site of the supposed crash site that took place at Roswell.

Now I had some skeptics. Oh, that’s not the exact same, you know, they’re off by a couple of it’s Roswell. Um, it’s on the exact opposite side of the globe. On the 33rd parallel. What’s 33 mean, I don’t know. What’s 33 to the masons. When you hit 33rd degree, what’s 33, 33 33. What’s this grid. This is where bill burns said there’s a grid around the whole planet where everything lines up with each other.

Um, which is to me, that’s very interesting. There’s also, I believe it’s Mount Herman that also in a straight line connects with somewhere in Greece and then somewhere in Scandinavian country. And there’s a very similar round ruins there of a city that they link to the same kind of thing. No, it’s the Oracle of Delphi.

So as I believe, it’s Mount Herman to the Oracle Adelphi. The city that has connections in Norwegian mythology. So there’s things like that. So what does that mean for you follow a G or for aliens? Uh, bill burns said he believed the aliens had a, you know, tracks. They followed around the planet. Well, um, Mount Herman, this is where the 200 prefects from heaven.

The bene ha Elohim, the Watchers came down mingled with human women and had children by them, the Nephilim, but then 2000 years later, uh, or more than that 4,005,000 years later on the other side of the globe, the exact same spot on the 33rd parallel, you got the crash of an alien craft, supposedly, and then all the there’s a lot of mythology around it.

Yeah. So who knows? We don’t know for sure. It’s interesting, but there it is.

[01:25:25] Jeremiah: All right. Well, that has been eyeopening and probably shattered. So people’s views on some stuff, but like I said, question everything. And like I say, on my show, don’t just take everything you’re presented at face value and don’t just believe to believe because you’re told to believe.

[01:25:48] Scott Alan Roberts: Right. And that’s my big thing. I don’t want to do what I’m told to believe. I want to do. What I find out is the right thing to believe. And somebody said, oh man, then you’ll never have faith. I’m like faith has to have an object. And it can’t just be, I believe that this soda pop can, is my savior. Um, and I can build an, uh, a mythology around it.

I can build a theology around it. So there it is.

[01:26:21] Jeremiah: Well, thank you again for coming on and, uh, speak here. Thanks for having everybody and definitely, uh, enjoyed the conversation.

[01:26:31] Scott Alan Roberts: Can I do one quick plug? Yeah, go

[01:26:34] Jeremiah: ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I usually already know I’ve just been so wrapped up in the

[01:26:39] Scott Alan Roberts: conversation.

Well, this is an important one because, uh, there’s three weeks left of it. Um, I wrote a new book. It has nothing to do with any of this stuff. I’m an historian and I love history and I wrote a book called the sword in the clay. Uh, you may have seen this. If you’re on my Facebook page, you might’ve seen this, uh, the sword and the clay is a story about Wilburn, who was a real life.

True story, a Canadian Blackwatch soldier. Excuse me, who? During world war one. After the bombardment of Amiens France finds an old Roman. In the clay and they dated back to Caesar’s Gallic wars and the fifties BCE. And so that sort is you can still go see it in the museum. Uh, all they knew was that when it dated too, they didn’t know who it belonged to obviously, but, uh, they do know that there were some battles that took place in what is now Amiens France at a place called Samarra Briova during Julius Caesar’s Gallic wars.

And so I created a fictional character, uh, is a Bruzzo he’s a century in Caesar’s armies. His two brothers are Legionnaires with him and, uh, it’s his sword is what I’ve made up in this story. And there’s also ghost stories. I’ve taken from Wilbert zoned memoirs of his brother and believing his life was saved at Vivi Ridge by the ghost of his brother.

And so I’ve written this book, it’s a short book, it’s only 8,000 words, but it’s fully illustrator. Um, I just happened to have one of the illustrations sitting right here. This is a, it happens to be Mari as a Bruzzo and his brothers. So that’s some of my illustration work that’s in the book. And, uh, so to get, uh, um, the funding to create this book, uh, we had somebody that, uh, we talked into starting up a publishing branch of his company for historical books like this.

And I said, if you fund this, one of the things we’ll do, we will, uh, start a Kickstarter campaign and show you just the level of interest that people have in this kind of book and a good history. That’s not written as history. It’s all written in narrative it’s it’s characters and the relationships between will and his brother, uh, Mari, his son, his brother, his brothers.

And so, um, there’s a kid. It was all I’m going to say about that. The link is really long and it’s hard to go, go to and the question mark, and two G a L it’s impossible, go to and in their search field type in the sword, in the clay, that’s the title of the book. You’ll see our page.

We’ve got three weeks left. We’re trying to raise $20,000 to publish this book and really to show the, uh, the publisher that, that there is interest out there in this kind of thing. And we’re at 2000 as of today, we’ve got three weeks left to go. So if you’re interested in this kind of thing, you want to know more about it.

You can look at my Facebook. I don’t even have it up on my website yet. I’ve been so busy, uh, but go to the S the Kickstarter page, the sword in the clay, and I’d love it. If your listeners, uh, would, would, uh, go ahead and pre-order. And maybe even do a little bit more there’s rewards over there eating, take a look at,

[01:30:19] Jeremiah: yeah, I’ll have to go on there and I’ll make my donation

[01:30:24] Scott Alan Roberts: right on.


[01:30:27] Jeremiah: I don’t know how much I can put down cause I’m sure I just paid to, uh, take a trip to Peru this summer, but I’ll donate some

[01:30:36] Scott Alan Roberts: well it’s $30 to get the book. And, uh, um, these, these kinds of books, usually retail for around 26 to 29, we’ve got a 29 95. Uh, there’s a couple more bucks. You get a bookmark there’s, you know, stuff like this at tumblers like this from the book and all kinds of, it goes all the way up to 200 5500 and a thousand, if you want to just put money into the company.

Uh, so, uh, there’s that as well, but, uh, there you go. There it is. So I’d appreciate anything or listeners.

[01:31:12] Jeremiah: Yep. Sounds good. And if you send me any links, I’ll put them in the show

[01:31:15] Scott Alan Roberts: description. I’ll send you the actual link to it. Fantastic. Yep.

[01:31:20] Jeremiah: That way they can get there faster and easier. Right on. All right.

Well thank you for coming on and sharing your knowledge. Uh, definitely enjoyed it. I’m sure my audience will as

[01:31:31] Scott Alan Roberts: well. I hope so. Thank you, Jeremiah. I appreciate it. And, uh, anytime.

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Planet X and Annunaki

Planet X and Annunaki

Planet X and Annunaki

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: ;Hello? Oh, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast. the podcast that wants you to question everything. your reality is about to be shattered.
hello and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. I’m your host. Jeremiah joined with a special cohost April. And we are joined today by the author and star of ancient aliens. Jason Martel. Hello, Jason.
[00:00:56] Jason Martell: Hello. Nice to meet both of you. Thank you.
[00:00:59] April: Nice to meet you.
[00:00:59] Jeremiah: Nice to meet you. Thank you again for coming on and speaking with the audience about this topic. I think it’s important in this day and age to really know where we come from. So I’ll first ask you. Because I haven’t really heard you speak about it before. So how did you get involved with the whole engine alien show?
And did you expect it to be as big as it is today?
[00:01:27] Jason Martell: Great question. Well, no, I did not. So I’m, I’m 48. I just turned 48 and I’d say I got into this research. A little over 20 years ago. And so when I was in college. first of all the climate to talk about things like Annunaki, or Nibiru or planet X or UFO’s. for that matter were just taboo topics.
Um, so when I was in college, someone had just, you know, I was, uh, I was waiting tables, uh, surfed. It’s basically the like circle view of my life encompassing. And someone had college had mentioned that NASA had taken pictures of a face and pyramids on Mars. I was intrigued, but also very skeptical as to why I’d never heard about this before.
So in looking into it. it turns out that the principal photographer that is arming the orbiters and Landers with camera equipment was a gentleman named Dr. Mike Malin. who had a company called Malin space science systems. Which was also located in San Diego where I was attending college. So I thought, okay, well, I’ll just reach out to Dr.
Malin as a civilian college student, you know, and ask some questions about these structures on Mars. His answers really intrigued my curiosity further. He basically said there’s no artificiality whatsoever. These are not. Uh, artificial, uh, just natural objects, you know, sculpted by wind and, you know, natural processes.
And for me, this is kind of made my RA my eyebrows raised even higher. Um, as I was able to find. let’s say two to three other peer level review scientists that had credentials in satellite telemetry. One of them was Dr. Mark callado with a C. mark callado and Dr. Mark Carlito developed these algorithms using fractal analysis. Basically, really advanced math, almost like AI to look at a satellite image and go, oh yeah, that’s that’s actually a tank or some troops being covered up by a, you know, a tarp or something.
His fractal analysis could identify artificial structures. When you applied that same analysis to the satellite telemetry oversight Donia or these pyramids and face are like everything. It came out like 98% probability to be artificial. He wrote a whole book on this, you know, and NASA never did anything.
They just missed the face and the pyramids. And I won’t get into that discussion tonight, but for me, that’s what initially peaked my interest. And then I realized, well, wait a minute, these are pyramids in a face, supposedly on Mars. We have stuff all over our own planet that we still don’t really know. Like who built the pyramids. And what is right.
And so that’s, that’s kinda what kick-started me into the quest of looking for the origins. Of like, all right, well, where do we really come from? If there’s stuff on Mars, like how far back does it go?
[00:04:29] Jeremiah: And then as far as ancient aliens, the show is concerned.

Planet X and Annunaki

[00:04:32] Jason Martell: Um, right. So basically leading up into that, uh, Several years of doing research and lectures.
Uh, I worked very closely with Zachariah Cichon. Uh, and a few other researchers, but, uh, really tried to, uh, embrace a lot of his learning. And at the time let’s say 13 years ago or so ancient aliens was first approaching Erich Von Daniken. and saying, look at, you know, we have this new series we want to do, we want to put this in a new light.
And at that time, All of us. You know, myself, Giorgio, Erich Von Daniken. Anyone else they would ask to do a show like this would instantly put on their skeptical hand, be like, right? You want to do another show where you’re going to basically let us talk? And then put on a bunch of skeptics that make us look like idiots.
You know, it’s like, that was the pattern before ancient aliens. Um, but no, that wasn’t the case. And so Eric Vandana can said, you know what? I’m going to pass on being like your star. But I’ve got this guy, Giorgio. Who would be perfect and, you know, on Georgia for many, many years, and, uh, you know, he’s, he’s great for, you know, uh, how they, how they chose him to, you know, kind of be the star.
And I was in episode one with Georgia, where I did an on-camera experiment with the Baghdad battery, which I’ll show you here in a minute. I pulled it out to show you, but how I got on the show was basically that there were, there were a handful of. That we’re promoting the ancient astronaut theory. And since I had spent years researching and analyzing data and acquiring artifacts, um, working closely with Cichon, you know, when they approached me, I was of course, Skeptical.
Um, but as things progressed was very grateful that a show like that existed and every year as a new season would come out, the same question would come up. Um, holy crap, how are we going to talk about new content? It feels like we’ve covered everything.
[00:06:38] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s definitely a show that we love. We’ve seen every episode at least twice.
So definitely a as long as you guys can keep it going, that would be great for everybody
[00:06:51] April: with the COVID and all that. It seems like you guys are doing more round table. Are you still going out? Plan on going out and doing some more exploration?
[00:07:03] Jason Martell: I’m sure that they will, you know, honestly, there’s, there were some changes, um, during COVID the creator of the show, Kevin Burns, you know, rest his soul passed away and that probably affected perhaps some of the format and ideas.
Cause he was extremely influential in the show. He has just a brilliant mind. Um, so with losing Kevin Burns and with COVID taking. Um, I’m sure that you’ll see things returned to normal. I, I, myself, you know, deviated into other paths, uh, with my personal life, uh, taking kind of a break from doing filming no longer located in Los Angeles, even though I’ll be moving back.
Um, so, you know, it’s just the sign of the times, you know, things change. I wouldn’t, I would comment April that even though ancient aliens shifts, in some ways, what we can also take note of is that there was a huge relief. You for logical data around, let’s not call them UFO’s but UAPs now, unidentified aerial phenomenon, maybe confuse people a little bit, but also throw up this smoke screen of we’re about to release a bunch of stuff now.
Um, which has. Which has been their Mo over decades with a blue book and the content report and various other things that have been structured analysis that were from the get-go one sided. So I’m very grateful that the show ancient aliens has opened up the topic and allowed for a global audience to start to explore their origins and understand that the biblical tales that they were probably taught as kids or raised.
I was raised as a Christian, so that maybe there’s some merit and substance to the myths and legends that are recorded in that form, but are actually telling us a much more deep set of information, if you can lock the secrets and make the connections. Right.
[00:09:02] Jeremiah: So for we’re talking biblical and stuff like that, a lot of people and some people in my audience probably don’t know.
About Zachariah’s situation and the Annunaki story. If you can, um, explain that for us, like where the theory came from and then kind of go into the story of how the Annunaki came to be and how it can kind of shed some light. That’s not currently in the biblical tales.
[00:09:31] Jason Martell: Well, I did a couple of fun things for you too Jeremiah.
Brought out a couple of pieces. Since as soon as you said, this is a video interview and we’ve all been stuck in our homes for so long for, for some, you know, no time. So I thought I would at least show you a couple things. So, first of all, when we talked about Sitchin here, um, here’s the first book that he wrote called the 12th planet and make sure I’m showing you on camera.
Right. And, uh, I, you know, I’m grateful enough to know them back at the time when I got an autograph from him and his wife, where they would sit at the time. And, uh, she was there right alongside him, basically as the strong arm, making sure everything got done. Right. And, you know, over the years, as I got all of his books, um, we became pretty close and he, Lazily would shorten my thing to just like, I’ll take it, take it, but, uh, he’s you know, a great man.
And the, the story was Sitchin into myself. Actually, I don’t really talk about it a lot, but basically what happened was, you know, I’m a very technical person, as far as web technology. Um, I currently worked for Meta. I don’t really talk about that much, but, um, you know, I’m exposed to a lot of technology and things that, uh, you know, run our lives now.
And so, uh, to look back on ancient technology has always been fun and not. Into too much ancient technology, which we’ll come to in a minute, but you know, in the formation of the internet in 1996, that timeframe, um, I was very interested in Zacharia Sitchin’s research. And so I was one of the first ones, if not the first to like dedicate website, uh, you know, videos and information and clips on the site I created called X facts.
Then fax And I basically aggregated so much of his information from his books and various things. Um, and at one point I remember I got my first phone call from Zachariah and I was, I pick up the phone, I’m like, hello. And he’s like, Jason, this is Zechariah Sitchin. And I’m like, oh, and the first thing he says is why are you using my images without my permission
um, and, uh, you know, he’s such a funny character, but you know, we, we became friends and I explained to him what was happening. And I became close with the people that, you know, uh, helped him with his lectures and stuff. And, um, so we, we just became very close and eventually, you know, I would get to work with him off camera in some of the groups that we would do.
Studying things. And he would also call me to use my technology, like my projector and such like that. So it was, it was a lot of fun when was around and it was a different, it was a different ball game back then, you know, he attracted such an audience and he would, he would travel to ancient Iraq locations with actual people.
And, you know, uh, it was just a, you know, an amazing legacy that he left behind. So, you know, I was very grateful to have his influence. And since his passing, you know, the legacy has continued through the show. And, through continued research topics like Nibiru. Uh, topics like on Annunaki, which we’ll talk about in our time. You know, in this show, uh, the two things I note quickly are that when we look at the, Annunaki as just their interaction with the Sumerian civilization. As the Bible talks about, there was a time when giants were upon the earth.
God man lived amongst his living gods. Sounds kind of like the Sumerians were experienced in that with the Annunaki. But we’ll what we also have around the globe are other cultures having similar experiences and B being bequeath knowledge that is unexplainable. And there’s a tying bond, which seems to have been discovered in all of these cultures in their gods.
Most of them is that these all, all the gods seem to have a very strong connection with them. As if they come out during the day and can walk around and be amongst the tribes or the people. And then at night, they recede into the waters. And so, what we have are descriptions of not only the Annunaki like Enki. Always depicted with water or so through Zoroastrian religion, the same picture of a fish, like God.
Um, w what we have across other religions is a play on the word. Like Dogan Dagu and dogda, dog star, all of these show references of what a peer to be like a fish, like God. All referencing the Sirius star system. So. Two things that have happened since Sitchin’s passing with the whole theory of the Annunaki. And such that are interesting, that we can talk about further one, the model of who are the on Annunaki and where they come from.
Is there another sun that is causing Nibiru to loop back around? And where is this other planet? Is it a dead star? Or is it serious star system? Which Orion and many other cultures point to as the source of where their gods come from. And then also the model that sits and put forth around the Nibiru.
It’s really complex stuff, you know, up until now. We always thought of, and you guys will too, when you think of the solar system and you think about it in your head, you see a sun sitting there and planets spinning around. It turns out we’re most likely a binary solar system, which means we have two suns.
Our other sun is probably Sirius if not a failed star, but I think it’s Sirius. And so if you think about two suns, that means our sun is Orbiting. Another sun, it’s in a constant binary orbit. And if that’s the case, then as our sun is orbiting in this vast orbit called precession at 24,000 year cycle, then what’s happening is you actually are moving through space.
Meaning our earth is it’s going around. We’re going along for the ride. And so there’s a whole other model that Sitchin didn’t account for. Including procession, which is a moving a solar system in motion. So figuring out who the Annunaki were really? where they really came from? great topic and also understanding the model of Nibiru in more depth and clarity for, you know, for hopefully maybe they will return who knows.
[00:16:07] April: So they, um, I’ve read your first book. I haven’t read the second one where it was updated or hope to get that soon. But, um, in, you know, 2012, and I’m probably jumping the gun you know, they thought that possibly I say I say it wrong, but X planet that they thought that maybe they would be coming back. And something major was going to happen.
Um, I don’t know if there was an actual visitation or what have you, but did you see anything? Did you notice any changes that nobody’s really talked about?
[00:16:49] Jason Martell: Yeah. So this has been an ongoing topic, and so they’re there. First of all, there aren’t any really notable earth changes or solar system changes of planets heating up or anything that we can actually.
Need to worry about that shows Nibiru’s approach, but there have, there have been blips on the radar and Ufology where people with the wrong credentials making, like hitting a drum. And if you beat the drum loud enough and there’s no one else doing that, everyone’s going to listen to the drum beat.

Planet X

And so this started roughly in around 2003, when there was a lady named Nancy Lieder. Who claims to change, who claims to channel information from Zeta Reticuli aliens and a couple of other authors named mark Hazelwood, just people that came out of the woodwork. Hadn’t done any research and had non tangible sources and were making like claims that planet X was coming back.
Well, 2003 came and went, there was no planet X 2012 was aligned with the idea. The Mayan calendar ending, which is the ending of one age, not the end of time. It’s just the end of one age. Um, we’ll talk about that in a second here too, but there’s a large like clock that they use to look at dividing the heavens into 12 parts, the 12 houses of the Zodiac.
And every 2000 years, we point to a new north star. We’re in a new age, like the age of Pisces, which we just left. And now we’re in the age of Aquarius, which some would point to around the 2012 marker, which the Mayans were also noting as well. So now there was no planet X. And the thing to note with planet X is two things.
One, if it has a 3,600 year orbit denoted, from the way math is broken down in sixigesimal. Sumerian math. They had a base math of 60 and very easily divisible by 12 and other numbers. And the orbit of Nibiru was around 3,600 years. Every time it would make a completed orbit, 3,600 years, 3,600 years. So if you think about the solar system being seven, you know, our earth and everything, 7 billion years old, let’s say the earth then.
The time that Nibiru has done a 3,600 year orbit. If you divide like 7 billion by 3,600 it’s it’s like, well, over a million times, that may be your rule has come in and done an inner pass. It probably doesn’t always cause grit like grand effects every time. And the next time Nibiru is coming anywhere near.
We have a very large, um, amateur astronomy community. They always see things first, like Shoemaker levy nine that impacted Jupiter, Hale Bopp comet. They’re the ones that will see things and go, oh my God, look and raise it to the professional community. So if anything, substantial is actually coming to the inner part of our solar system.
We’ll have, uh, you know, enough eyeballs to, to notice something like a planetary size object coming our way.
[00:19:58] Jeremiah: Now I heard that, um, like the asteroid belt and stuff like that was probably made from collision of a planet or something. And then there’s also a theory that a planet or some type of body hit into our earth and kind of created the moon by like taking a chunk out of the earth to create that.
And that’s why it’s not like other moons from other planets.
[00:20:26] Jason Martell: Well, there’s, there’s, there’s a lot of theories around the moon itself being either towed here or, you know, whatever its purpose is. But the story you’re explaining is an interesting one in that, you know, in the Bible, we have the whole story that, you know, the earth and heavens man, there’s like seven days of creation.
If you roll that story back from the English version. Into the Sumerian oldest version of that tale, there’s actually seven tablets of creation, part of a larger tale, uh, called the Atra-Hasis there’s also the epic of Gilgamesh, which the Atra-Hasis is an example of explaining, you know, how we, how we come to be.
And so it’s a, it’s a really interesting tale when we look at the lens of time through that and explaining some of the nuances that aren’t told in the Bible. Um, so the, the basic story is Zacharias Sitchin and interprets. It is that Nibiru was a planet that was being gravitationally polled by the outer planets of our solar system.
Uh, you know, Saturn Jupiter, some of the larger planets that eventually pulled me be so close on one of its successive. That it’s largest moon. You beat her has a bunch of debris following it, a couple of moons. And one of the largest moons of Nibiru called north wind as the Sumerian translation. As, as on one of these primitive orbits, maybe become some so close to earth, which was called Tiamat at the time its primitive name that north wind, the moon of Nibiru struck Tiamat and created the asteroid belt.
What was then Tiamat now called earth into its new position and strung out the asteroid belt, which the Bible calls a hammered out bracelet. So there is enough room, interestingly enough, between Mars and Jupiter, where the asteroid belt is for a planet to freely, uh, you know, be passing by that is four to eight times the size of.
Roughly the descriptions of the Sumerian information. Um, so, you know, we, we do have a really interesting cosmology tied to the Sumerian information. If you think about a collision of that nature, north wind whacking, our primitive earth and creating just this huge collision of the asteroid belt, that leaves earth is just this chunk missing half the planet.
Well, it turns out if you roll the back, if you roll the time, clock back. clock of time, whatever, you know what I’m saying? What we see is an interesting concept called Pangea right? At one time, the continents were all connected. It was just one chunk of land, but like the skin of an apple, that’s the continents of peeled back to where they are.
So even the cosmology of our, of our earth and its creation can be tied to the Sumerian tales of this collision, which fall in alignment to everything that we see today, geographically.
[00:23:30] April: You don’t think it made the earth flat? I don’t believe in the flat earth theory.
[00:23:36] Jason Martell: Every now and then those are interesting things to think about, but I pretty sure that we’re on a sphere.
[00:23:44] Jeremiah: So with the Pangea theory, I was thinking the other day, it’s just something that popped in my brain. Is it possible that all these great pyramids that are found around the world were actually built during the time of Pangea. And that’s why we find them all over the place, because they were actually closer together at a certain point in time.
But spread out when this incident happened, it’s just a theory.
[00:24:10] Jason Martell: That’s an interesting concept, actually. Let me think about that one for a second. So I would say probably not in, from what I see in the, in the architectural changes across cultures, from my into Cambodian, uh, to Aztec, to Sumerian, they all share similar principles, but have slight nuances in their building style.
Um, but what we do see is that there are ancient maps, the Piri Reis map. Um, Charles Hapgood map that actually show all the continents still connected the types of animals and people that were there. Really interesting to think about that. You know, um, there is at least a mile layer of ice, a mile thick of ice covering the north and south pole for these maps to have existed.
Um, you know, Uh, in these timeframes, uh, you know, let’s say 15 hundreds and such, um, there’s no way that they had an aerial perspective. There’s no hot air balloons. There was no planes. These are all coming from ancient sources. So you really have to wonder how they got that. About the accurate topography of the land masses underneath the ice, and somehow have maps to navigate and circumnavigate the actual continent and not the ice.
Um, so it’s, uh, it’s an interesting tale, I think, to look back, um, through the lens and analyze a lot of these artifacts and wonder, um, where did these influences come from?
[00:25:51] Jeremiah: And then also the pyramids. And I think you’ve mentioned in your book, um, that they seem to have some type of alignment and it aligns to different star systems.
Or if you can explain that a little bit,
[00:26:04] Jason Martell: there’s a couple of things there. So we have megalithic monuments all over the earth from Stonehenge to the Giza pyramids. There’s a collection of sacred sites all over the earth that seemed to have been placed at geodetic points. That are connected in some way that somehow shared an ancient source of energy.
Um, we don’t quite understand what that energy was that they were harnessing or what, you know, what it was for. But the greatest example to lean into that would be the Giza pyramids. Um, anyone who analyzes the Giza pyramids can, can quickly see that there they’re not tuned. There’s a great amount of evidence to show that there were some type of a reactor.
A lot of the evidence that I looked into with the pyramids started off on a micro scale, which I’m going to lean over my laptop and show it to you in a minute and then lead up to a more macro scale around how was the pyramid being powered on a micro scale? What we see across Egypt? Ooh, it’s back here.
Our evidence of electricity in Dendera. They see they’re holding up large light bulbs and it’s, it’s plugged into some type of a device. There’s also representations across Egypt of what looked like this, which is known as the Baghdad battery. And these were found in 2,500 BC in ancient Iraq. So a lot of people have put together that if you have an ancient battery, Ancient light bulbs.
Yeah, they were using electricity in ancient Egypt. Now this one, it’s just a very simple clay pot with a copper lining and an iron rod. And if you fill this with any weak acidic acid, grape juice, wine vinegar, you can generate about four volts. And if you think about a modern light today, you know, to get a light, you can do that with a, with a, with a nine volt battery.
So some of the Egyptians. Baghdad battery styles, you see are six feet tall, not four inches. And those are probably generating 30, 40, 50 volts. I’m not really sure. Um, but if you think about the idea that they were using electricity on a micro scale, the pyramids plug in literally at a different level.
The story of the Ark of the covenant, where we basically hear that story where the, the Hebrews use it to put the 10 commandments in there and walk around with it. But there’s an origin story to the Ark of the covenant, where it came out of Egypt, you know? And so what’s really interesting is that when you tie the whole Exodus and Moses leading with his people, well, what if, what if the pyramid of Egypt was actually being powered?
By the Ark of the covenant. Now I say that because the Sakara, the sarcophagus is the exact biblical cubit dimensions of the Ark of the covenant as if it would just fit right in there. No lid needed, there’s no sarcophagus. You aren’t just fit right in. And it was somehow powering the great pyramid. We know the arch of the covenant was.
You know, great energy source. It literally was a way to talk to God and could level any, you know, um, enemy that an army that had that, you know, that stood before them. So to me, what’s interesting is if you change the story of Moses, and there’s a great deal of research about this, uh, Egyptian scholars and such that show the arc all over the place in hieroglyphs being referenced and that when Moses left with his people, He also took the Ark.
That’s why he started the commandments in it. But you think about why Ramseys would come after him take the battery out of the pyramid and the city goes dark. You dang straight. He’s going to come after Moses. It changes the whole perspective of the urgency of the information, and then realized that there was a technological layer to all these biblical tales.
And it makes it a lot more cool to realize that yes, most likely. There is a technological layer explaining that all these ancient sites were harnessing some ancient energy. And to me, uh, in a simple answer is I think in the last golden age, in the last time we were at a, uh, a state where we. You know, use our mind to do things like the ancient Reese, Rishi texts from ancient Vedic text 10,000 years ago, they speak about humans being almost God-like, but we seem to have lost that knowledge.
So I think what happened is that the pyramids were taking some energy that happens and our evolutionary process where we go through the dark ages and then the golden age. And when we’re in the golden. The pyramids somehow use this energy and other sites to hang on to that energy as long as they can, before we go into the dark ages and forget it all, all the pyramids and all the ancient sites go dormant.
We don’t even know what they’re for anymore. And we’re re we’re now just relearning. 2000 years later, like, you know, AD to BC, if you go back 2000 years, there’s all this activity, Sumerians, Egyptians, then we forget it all. And now 2000 years later, we’re rediscovering a lot of this. And so it’s a, it’s a cyclical pattern.
That is a very interesting one. That’s caught my attention. That’s a rise and fall of civilization here on earth, possibly caused by astronomical processes.
[00:31:33] April: Um, so do you think somewhere in our DNA, that that key is in there and it just hasn’t been unlocked yet?
[00:31:42] Jason Martell: It’s a really advanced topic April. I mean, I, we have 30 minutes, so I’m going to try and squeeze in some of this stuff, but this is the stuff that’s really led me beyond the topic
of Nibiru I’m going okay. Well, great. Nibiru if it exists, we’ll find it. But the solar system model to support Nibiru over 30 ancient cultures were aware of a 24,000 year cycle that we today call procession. And, and today we pin it on the moon and say that there’s this lunar solar wobble that causes this degradation by one degree over 72 years.
And they try to explain procession is 24,000 year cycle in a model that fails. But if you look at a lot of these ancient sources, like these ancient Vedic texts and, and our, and our light, our latest understandings of looking at other solar systems with the Hubble, and now the James Webb telescope binary solar systems are everywhere.
It’s like, holy crap. Most solar systems are buying. We’re most likely binary, even the oldest encyclopedia, Britannica and descriptions from the eighties, they, they denote, oh, there’s a dark star. That’s why this 10th planet, this planet X is looping back around and coming around. There’s a lot of evidence in the astronomical circles of trying to explain our solar system model.
If we shifted to the idea that Sirius star system Sirius a and B Cirrus is this huge star super bright in the sky. All the ancients were aware of it. They said the gods most likely came there, but then there’s a little Sirius B you, you can’t see it with the naked eye yet. The doggone tribe, and many others were like, no, there’s planets orbiting that little star and like our gods came from there.
So there’s a really interesting story. When we look at over 30 ancient cultures, here’s another book I have on that one. This one’s a really hard one to get it’s by Giorgio Cintanilla and. Vonn. I can’t even say her last name, but it’s called Hamlet’s mill. There are two MIT professors that wrote this book analyzing over 30 ancient cultures.
Hamlet’s mill, um, where they were, you know, following this cycle of time. To answer your question, April in a long-winded question, there seems to be an astronomical process that over 30 ancient cultures, we’re aware of that we go into a, a golden age. We’ve divided this into 24,000 years.
And so every 2000 years we’re going through a new cycle. It seems to be that we, we have some effect on our higher consciousness when we’re closer to these two sons, when the sons are at their farthest. We’re in what we call the dark ages. When the sons are at their closest point, we’re in what we call the golden age.
And so the only way I can explain it so far that I’ve been able to understand is if you think about the sun’s energy that we have now, our current yellow sun, the way it makes you feel it’s summertime and all the plants lean towards the sun and the energy of feeling. If a second super hot white blue energy sun is introduced somehow that affects us and opens our consciousness in a way that I don’t understand.
And I can only explain it to you like this and then I’ll take a breath. There are motions on the solar system that affect us that we’re just not aware of her paying attention to the three basic ones are this every day we. Lose consciousness and wake up based on an astronomical cycle that our earth is spinning on its axis.
That cycle causes us to go into day and night. Nighttime, everything gets dark quiet. You, you fall asleep 12 hours later. It gets bright again. Boom. You wake up. And so does everything else. All of that is controlled by an astronomical cycle that we have no control over cycle to the earth is going around the sun every 365 days.
Right? That’s a solar orbit. Seasons change animals migrate like all kinds of temperatures change, drop, fall, all because of an astronomical cycle. There’s a third cycle folks. 30 ancient cultures said that there’s a rise and fall of civilization, but it’s over 24,000 years. It’s such a hard thing for us to understand a 24,000 year cycle.
That can cause the, the types of change in evolution. There’s an insect here on earth called the mayfly. And it only lives 24 hours. Its whole life cycle is 24 hours. Birth death, two mayflies are sitting on a branch. You know, I’ve heard of this stuff called wind and rain. I just. I don’t think it exists.
I’ve never seen it and they both die and they’ve never experienced it. So the analogy there being funny is that there are cycles that affect us on a grander scale. That many ancient cultures are going to great lengths to try and communicate to us. And I think that’s the part of the missing link of looking at Sitchin or the Annunaki is that there are many ancient cultures, not just the Annunaki that embedded, astronomical, mathematical architectural knowledge.
Around the time of how they were able to influence us, perhaps when they can influence us. And it’s not, when we’re in the dark ages, it’s at a time when we’re more receptive to being with aliens. And if you think about everything that’s happening now, the aliens have shown huge restraint in buzzing around and interacting with us, but not blowing us up or hurting us just saying, come on, go.
Get with the program. So, uh, we live in a very interesting time to look at the past and try and understand where it’s taking us for the future.
[00:37:22] Jeremiah: So speaking of the past, um, if you can take us back to the beginning of man and how the Annunaki came to earth and how they pretty much shaped those to what it is.
[00:37:40] Jason Martell: Right. Well, we have a really interesting tale that basically shows us that even modern science aligns with this, that around 400,000 years ago in Southern Africa, these beings called the Annunaki came here to mine, the gold that these precious veins of gold that were found, uh, and they didn’t like doing that.
They didn’t like doing this work. And so they fashioned a worker being in their image and after their likeness. To do the work, which essentially was us. And there’s a whole bunch of tales around how the first Adam was created. The first one, an arm didn’t work or the leg didn’t function until finally they show actually tablet of like cylinder seal descriptions from Sumerian.
Times of her name was Ninhursag. One of the chief scientists Annunaki holding up the Adam now not Adam as in Hey, what’s up Adam as an Adam or in. Hebrew Adamou worker. It was the first fashioned being. And so this tale is a very interesting explanation as to the Annunaki’s involvement in creating us in their image after their likeness.
And if you look at the, the, the science of how we’ve looked of looking at our genetics and trying to understand where we come from, there’s something called the mitochondrial DNA. That’s only inherently passed down through mothers and doesn’t mutate. So essentially the human beings that look like us showed up 400,000 years ago that mitochondrial DNA signature shows up then.
And it perfectly aligns with the whole idea that most likely the Annunaki came here saw this ape man naturally evolving here on earth, big foot Yeti, the Australopithecine. All these descriptions, uh, of a, of a being that was already evolving naturally, they basically just put their genetic imprint and took 20% from that and 80% for them and made us.
And what’s really interesting about that tale is, you know, if you look at the progression of Bigfoot or the Yeti, or even just gorillas in eight, They’re fine in the jungle. They can run through and they don’t get sunburned. They don’t get ripped up by branches. You throw a naked human in the, in the jungle and we’re screwed.
You’re gonna get cut up, eaten sunburns. You know, we’re not equipped as like a natural by-product of the, of the planet. So it’s a really interesting tale. When you look at it through the lens that there, there was, there was not a missing link. There was genetic intervention and they created us in their image and after their likeness.
And so when you follow that tale, where through the biblical interpretation, you know, eventually things kind of got out of hand and humanity got too loud. As the Bible would say, um, the Sumerian version basically talks about how the Anakie are chilling up in their spacecraft. Watching, knowing that when Nibiru passes, there’s going to be this cataclysmic event, which will cause a great flood.
Should we do anything about it? No. Let them go and write that I’m being, I’m being soft on the, on the issue, but basically from the Sumerian descriptions, they describe how the Annunaki watch this wave pass over the earth and then realized, oh my God, what have we done? We w you know, we destroyed everything.
They come down and they smell. When the first, you know, Ark landed, they smell him cooking the meat of a lamb or a sheep, and they realize, wow, we really need humans. What do we do here? And they changed their partnership after that. Um, at least that’s the, you know, the story and how it goes. Um, But there’s a lot of tales that show that man has always been trying to rise beyond into the heavens the whole tower of Babel and confusing.
All of our languages is an ancient tale of us. Basically figuring out how to build an ancient spaceport and working together and to the point where they’re like, Nope, you’re not going to do that. So it’s happened in the past. Will it happen to us again? Will we be cut off from going to space as we’re just about to, within our lifetime now another deviation of the topic, but an interesting one.
[00:42:06] April: Well, to stick with that little deviation. I mean, you think sometimes when man has too much knowledge and what we do with that knowledge, you know, knowledge can be used for. Or it can be designed to destroy cities or to distort people, or so I wonder if, if maybe, you know, them being, I don’t know if they’re, I guess they’re smarter than us, you know, sees that ahead of time and is like, okay, you’ve done too much.
You’ve done too much killing. You’re not succeeding in anything really. I don’t know, that’s my biblical part of it when God did Babel. Okay. You’re trying to get up here to where I am. I can just imagine what you’re going to do with it.
[00:42:51] Jason Martell: You know, it’s an interesting point. Apron I’ll shift gears slightly because this is an interesting point is the current progression of what we see with the UAP release of data.
Very soon, you’re going to have this triangular UFO called the tr three B that they’re going to release, which is the next generation of stealth that they going to be like, wow, look, all the UFO stuff you thought was just. Not necessarily, there’s a huge drive from the U S to militarize all the ancient technology, all the UFO technology.
And I’ve come to realize that this isn’t the best approach. I’m fascinated by all the technology I’m hooked, even in my career path, which I won’t talk about on camera necessarily, there are technologies and things that I’ll pursue as a job, but. What I don’t think is a good idea is the militarization of space.
Let me give you an example. All these ancient gods that were here in the past Annunaki. Um, you know, various other religions that have interaction with, with gods that we’re visiting. If these gods come back now and they see a militarized planet with guns pointing at them, that’s not the reception that I’m trying to put out for, uh, having the ancient gods return.
And so, as I said, the aliens and their interactions with our nuclear sites and everything that we’ve seen in modern Ufology shows, extreme restraint on their part to just say, come on, guys, get it to get. Um, so I would say that while I’m interested in all the technology that comes with the ancient and modern understanding that there is a presence beyond humanity, that’s occupied earth.
I don’t want us to militarize and have that be a threat. I think that that is the wrong approach. And the military up to this point might be more interested in using technology to further those initiatives fast. Right. Finger guns and that such, which I understand, but I just don’t think it’s the right approach based on the interaction model we’ve seen over thousands of years is one that we should be not.
Like pointing guns, but like open arms and like doing other things with our technology. We’re just, we’re not there right now in our evolutionary process, but, but there’s good evidence to show we’ve been there in the past. And so we’re just needing a little bit more time to come into this awareness as a civilization and join the galactic community.
[00:45:19] Jeremiah: So weird question. And, um, I don’t know where it’s in anything. The UFO and alien abduction phenomenon and, you know, alien presence on around the earth. Uh, do you think that it possibly could be leftover Annunaki from like maybe some of them stayed back? When the planet like left orbit.
[00:45:43] Jason Martell: Yeah. Well, you know, I, I actually just today for fun, maybe it was cause we brought, I thought we’d bring it up in the show and connected here.
I posted on Facebook and Instagram today. Some 12 year old and 12, 12. Oh my God. 22 year old photo. Before I was looking into the ancient alien topic. I did quite a bit of research into alien abduction and worked firsthand among abductees and other researchers looking into these topics. So I’ve pulled up some photos of me working on a set of NBC for a special called confirmation executive producer was Whitley Strieber and I was working alongside Daryl Sims.
Dr. Roger Lear, another gentleman named Steve Neill and we basically were recreating an abduction scene in someone’s bedroom, manipulating these aliens that my buddy, Steve Neill, 3d special effects made, and, you know, just sharing laughs and ideas with some of these great minds. like Darryl Sims and rest his soul.
Dr. Roger Lear. Um, and so I posted those images as a reflection to answer your point like this. Um, I was very fascinated and when I. Became aware of the alien abduction phenomenon being a very real phenomenon. And then when I realized that the Sumerian culture and many other cultures talk about ancient beings, that very S that are very similar to the modern day, gray alien, or Android like aliens.
So in the Sumerian times, there are descriptions of these creatures called Igigi. And they’re described as flying the craft of the Annunaki. Helping with medical experiments and there’s little figurines and statues that you find in the British museum and the Louvre and Istanbul. In various museums that show these Igigi, they look like a modern day, gray alien.
Some of them also kind of look Android like. And there were Sumerian phrases where you would speak to some of the Igigi. Translating to identify whether it was alive or acting as if so. Uh, there’s a clear parallel between these cloned beings that we see today as the greys genetically modified, not birthed. But somehow a cloned race that are most likely assistants.
To a higher intelligence, perhaps like the Annunaki, a lot of the alien abduction experiences have overtones of, there’s always three. There’s always this like, um, insect, like praying mantis one. Um, and then there’s also this Annunaki like presence, right? And so I think there is something that ties back through thousands of years into current abductions and.
You know, our, our past history as well. Maybe they’re just checking up on their medical experiment. I mean, if they genetically made us in the first place, they probably have little helpers. You know, checking up on us.
[00:48:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause it seems like a lot of the abduction stories I’ve heard have a lot to deal with, you know, genetics and reproduction and stuff like that.
So it would definitely make sense.
[00:48:51] Jason Martell: Right. Travis Walton, many other key people Whitley Strieber you know, who have come on camera and talked about. You know, talk about how this wasn’t. You know, um, like, uh, that they were capturing the, you know, them and using them as like animals. Like we tag animals and send them back out to be very similar to how we can be classified as an alien abduction.
But no, some of these experiences go into psychological and meaningful experiences. Some of them can be scary, but some of them also upleveling. Someone’s consciousness, Whitley Strieber had, and probably continues to have. Upleveling experiences. Others have doomsday images put into their head of like the world’s going to end.
Or if you don’t stop doing things, you know, things will blow up and like bad stuff. Um, so all kinds of mixed messages. But what is interesting is that the aliens, at least those grays have not been forthcoming. They’re always very elusive and mysterious about what they’re doing, why they’re doing it. And all we can do is look at the evidence.
There also seems to be this. Hybridization of people being abducted the genetics, but then there’s babies. And then the, the, the, the, the, the women. Sometimes the men are taking a board and holding a baby because it’s, yeah, it’s an alien. But, it still has that human need, which maybe they don’t understand why it needs the mothering yet.
They’re like, okay, well, let it have some mothering, lots of weird stuff. That you can take out of and go in another direction. But you know, John Mack and many others prominent minds have investigated the alien abduction phenomenon and shown that it’s, it’s just something that’s happening on a global scale. That is being, you know, tucked under the topics of discussion.
[00:50:41] April: So if they were to come back and I look at planet earth and the depletion of it, certain things, what do you think they would actually come back for?


[00:50:52] Jason Martell: Well, I don’t think they ever left this part of it. There’s enough evidence to show that there are things happening with the resources and minerals. Perhaps on earth that, you know, we just don’t fully understand.
It might not just be about us. Um, I’ll give you an example. This is kind of a weird thought. But a lot of the ancient tales, um, biblical tales, um, Indian Vedic texts. Talk about wars of the God. The gods at wars, different wars happening amongst the gods. Well, if you lean into a lot of these tales, you’ll see that there are essentially different races at war.
There were Annunaki type beings. There were the Indian invaded gods and there were also reptilian or the demonic, like the demons. But there were also, if you go back these tales. They’re not demons, they’re reptilian and it turns out, or there’s even insect, like ant people. It turns out that there could be civilizations underground in the ocean reptilian.
And I know it sounds weird, but they still exist today. And, are doing things that we’re just not aware of. We’re not paying attention and we only get glimpse of glimpses of their activity and of their vessels. And we’re now just starting to. You know, try and figure it out through shows like ancient aliens. And, you know, uh, even released pilot testimony, the air force, isn’t the one covering this stuff up.
It’s the Navy. This has been going on for a really long time. Stuff coming in and out of our waters and the fleets of, you know, not only craft that land on the ships, but all around the world. There’s, you know, activity that’s been going on and being monitored that we’re just not aware of. And that’s part of the global cover-up, which, you know, I’ve stayed safe.
And what I talk about, I talk about the ancient there’s pyramids and stones. You can lift up and someone learned something, but the modern topic of the coverup coverup has not been asleep. Like career to get involved and pick at, let’s go take pictures of area 51 or classified sites. You know, I really don’t recommend that folks.
Um, but I will end it. You know, as we’re getting closer here in saying this as a civilian today. People have the ability to get involved in classified research. You can get Q level and higher security clearances. To work at sites like area 51 and S four and other places I’m literally in Los Altos, California right now. silicone valley right now.
And there were stories about startups here. Reverse engineering, anti-graffiti technology, and flying around these little drones that would disrupt the atmosphere. And all of a sudden you’d see it, then it would go away and they were invisible and weird stuff. Yeah, my point is, is that there, there are programs today that are happening. That if anyone is interested in learning and wanting to know about UFO’s and the.
Not necessarily going and working for the Navy or the government, but there are companies, if you investigate this stuff enough that have anti-graffiti technology and exotic technologies where they are also employing civilians, depending on you know, your skillset. So I think it’s a very interesting time that we live in.
I wouldn’t say that disclosure is eminent, but it just feels like a different game that’s happening. And we’re about to land people on Mars in, you know, two years. We’re going to go to the moon, the moon 20, 24, 20, 25, and then Mars. And so these are huge steps. If these actually happen, what’d you go, uh, for a few orbits? and, um, you know, let them get it down.
Right. But yeah, I definitely am interested in, in helping pioneer and, and move that needle forward.
[00:54:55] Jeremiah: All right. Well, we will wrap it up here. Um, is there anything you would like to tell the people in closing? or you can, uh, talk about your website and whatever other works you have in the
[00:55:09] Jason Martell: I’ll just do one last fun thing.
So I’ve got my latest book, knowledge apocalypse. It’s on But, I did a fun thing with the cover with some subliminal knowledge. I predict that in the next few years, that’s why it’s on the cover. We’re going to have a new ship release. That’ll become public. Hmm. It looks like that. Not the things above it.
The flying saucers, that little triangle, the tr three B
[00:55:37] Jeremiah: kind of looks like the one I’m the Phoenix lights.
[00:55:40] Jason Martell: That’s right. There’s a whole technology layer there of the tr three B. And you can Google it, maybe another conversation. But that’s probably the latest and greatest new thing that, uh, hopefully we’ll get to see.
See where it takes us. Thanks for the interview guys. Fun stuff. We’ll have
[00:55:56] April: to, gosh, thank you so much. I wish I had a couple more hours.
[00:55:59] Jeremiah: But yes, thank you for coming on. I will link your website and everything in the show notes so people can easily access it. And, uh, we really appreciate it. Thank you for taking your time to talk to us.
Everything’s very fascinating and we love looking at all that stuff. Reading about it. And of course, ancient aliens that we watch pretty regularly. And we’re going to be
[00:56:25] April: heading to Peru sometime this year. So we’re going to check out some ancient very
[00:56:31] Jason Martell: fast
and definitely talk to you soon.
[00:56:37] Jeremiah: Bye-bye thank you. Okay. And there you have it. Jason Martell dropping knowledge on everybody. It was good. Having him all. I like his perspectives, enjoyed the chat. If you enjoyed the chat and enjoyed Jason Martell, make sure to check out his website. Which will be linked below the episode.
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