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Pursuit of the Paranormal

Pursuit of the Paranormal

Pursuit of the Paranormal

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We’re gonna get to this thought provoking episode with Greg and Ash from pursuit of the paranormal in just a moment. But first, if you enjoy the content and enjoy the show, make sure to subscribe or add it to your list. So that way you get every episode that comes out, when it comes out, you’ll be able to listen to it right away.

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Hello, and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast, I’m your host. Jeremiah. I’m joined today by two of my favorites, Greg and Ash. And we’re gonna be talking about all kinds of French topics and, uh, we’re gonna get really into some stuff. And. It’ll be a fun hour. So I’ll introduce them now. Hello, Greg and Ash.

[00:01:42] Greg: Hello? Hello. Nice to speak to you again. I’m traveling as well. Yes.

[00:01:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s been a long time. So it has,

[00:01:49] Greg: it has, and you’ve, you’ve been on our podcast and we chat regularly on messenger or Instagram or, uh, socials anyway.

[00:02:00] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. Um, just for my audience, these guys have really helped me a lot in my podcasting journey.

uh, I wouldn’t be where I’m at now without ’em. So I’m honored to have you guys on and they’ve got what, the number two ranked paranormal podcast.

[00:02:22] Greg: Us.

[00:02:22] Ash: Yeah, it was a couple months. Yeah. We were like, we were like 10 Clement third. We went seconds. So in the APO magazine podcast charts. So that’s pretty cool.

Just to be up there with some of the big sort of podcast names. That’s pretty awesome. And thanks. Obviously you having a desire, you’ve been doing a great job yourself, so kudos to you. Yeah,

[00:02:40] Greg: definitely.

[00:02:41] Jeremiah: Yeah. My show’s been really, uh, taken off and it’s, uh, fun to see, and I’m starting to get messages from audience members and, uh, I just love hearing from people and whether they want to be on the show or just talk, it’s, uh, good to get some recognition and know that people are enjoying the content.

[00:03:03] Greg: Yeah, definitely. I, I listen to the, the podcast as well. I, um, when I’m out and about, I have a listen, so I check in Wrigley, I’ve listened to, to quite a few of ’em recently as well. And I was listening to one, um, I can’t remember the guy you were speaking to. Uh, and he was.

um, UFOs, paranormal, crypted, all being, um, interdimensional. And it, you were talking about his thoughts on that. Um, and that really stuck, it struck a chord. Uh, with me and me and Ash have discussed it. Um, we, we speak to podcast people all time and, and guests, and, and that seems to be sort of the route. A lot of people are going down as an explanation, um, for sort of the missing link between everything and what it could be.


[00:03:55] Jeremiah: yeah, that was cool. Definitely. Uh, just me personally makes more sense, uh, to look at it that way now that’s not the. That they might be from other planets, but they use interdimensional travel. So I’m open to that theory as well. Yeah. But, um, I just, I don’t know. I feel there’s a, there’s definitely some type of way they can phase in and out of what we can perceive.

[00:04:23] Greg: So is, is called the, um, The, that that’s kind of the, the thought process we’ve had and the guests have had on our podcast and also the kind of conversations you are having. I also liked an episode that you did and you interviewed a lady, um, who had some harrowing sort of abduction experiences. And her daughter was starting to have them as well.

And it was all a bit. Dark for them, but, um, yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. So you’ve had some really emotion interview. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Anytime anybody sort of opens up about experiences like that, it’s not necessarily an easy subject for them to talk about. Um, and that’s what we enjoy on when we are recording our podcast that you get people on that are not necessarily comfortable sharing it within their peer.

Publicly. Yeah, but the, the, the podcast like ours, like yours gives people a bit of a, almost like an anonymous forum that they can go onto, uh, and reach like-minded people. So that’s that? That’s cool. That’s cool.

[00:05:36] Ash: And a lot of times it was the first time they spoke and to everybody about. and they just sort of like this.

You can see the belief in the face where they’ve S like I’ve actually told someone and they’re not gonna think I’m crazy for saying it. So it’s good to have to give that platform to people. It’s an honor was to allow people to do that. It’s some people did it cuz they don’t know anybody and don’t have anywhere else to turn and they come to us, which is just an honor.

[00:06:01] Jeremiah: and I apologize. I’m so rude. Uh, I forgot to say that you’re from the pursuit of the paranormal podcast. Yes, we are. Totally

[00:06:10] Greg: that’s right. Lost over that. Oh, don’t worry about that. We are keen just to get in and get chatting.

[00:06:16] Ash: yeah. We’re not here to south. Well by that’s. No, definitely not.

[00:06:18] Greg: We’re we are here to, uh, yeah.

Have a chat to like-minded people like yourself.

[00:06:24] Jeremiah: So, um, through your podcast, uh, what’s been some of your like favorite topics to cover. Favorite like stories that you can recall. Wow.

[00:06:33] Greg: I know you’ve been doing at a while, but yeah. So we regularly talked to people about all sorts of different things. So we’ve recently talked to somebody about time slips.

Um, we talked to somebody which was really interesting and there’s something that we’ve touched on a couple of times where people sort of, all of a sudden are like in a different. Era, they could have gone back like 50 years or just by walking for a door, blows my mind, how you could just sort of open a door and just be somewhere, some time out.

Um, which is odd. But I think for me the times when we are, we are talking, um, to guests about it. We’ve had a guy, a guy called Michael that reached out to us. and the whole thing was completely weird. We had, um, you know, when you send an email to somebody and you spell it wrong or whatever, it, it says this, you get a, like a Microsoft thing back and it says you can, this email can’t be reached.

We actually had that from our email on an email it’s sent to us saying that the email couldn’t be sent to. It’s very strange but I had the message in, so I contacted the guy back and we, we went backwards and forth for a little bit. And then we got him on, we talked to him twice about some like nightly abductions he’s having from, from aliens or entities.

Uh, we went through his life of paranormal. Into the entity stuff. A friend requested both me and Ash on Facebook. Like we, like, we all do. We all sort of like touch base with each other. Um, then all of a sudden he’s not, doesn’t appear to be on Facebook anymore. Not been able to get hold of him at all. It says like, he’s just completely vanished again.

He sort of came in weirdly. left Willy. So he’s been one of our favorite ones, cuz like we are doing now and the people on the podcast, when they’re listening to this podcast, we we’re actually having a face to face conversation on like a Skype type program. So, um, you can see people’s reactions and you can see a lot of the time whether or not somebody seems to.

Hm, pulling a wool over your eyes that we say in the UK or, or lying or whatever. Um, and this guy just looked completely genuine. There was times when it went really dark and he was talking about the mental darkness he’s faced as part of his journey with these, these creatures. Um, and that, that doesn’t necessarily come across in the audio.

So that that’s the, that was probably one of. Most favorite ones, just purely from the fact that the way it all came about and mysteriously so vanished afterwards. But, but you Ash.

[00:09:35] Ash: Well, I was just looking through our episode list and just to sort of trying and recap, cuz we have been, been doing this for getting closer two years and over about 150 episodes.

I just it’s been a lot and it’s quite hard to think sort of a favorite, but one that sort of stuck with me. One of our earlier ones, when we spoke to John Edmond, A starers ranch. Oh yeah. No. That, so that Greg could sort of follow the story for years, been trying to get a hold of him for a long time. We finally got hold of him.

And his whole story of starers ranch is similar to skin Walker ranch, but in Arizona, and he had like strange creatures on the property. Uh, he gets attacked by gray aliens, which he kills with some saw. He tries to stop his wife and being an adopted. on a regular basis and this other sort of panel activity going on all on this ranch.

And just to talk to him about his experiences that have been going on for what is like 20 odd years mm-hmm on the ranch. Yeah. He’d never changed his story. He’s never been to like try and get fame or entering from it. It’s just, this is his story and that’s sort, and that was one of our first episodes.

Well put in the first couple months. Yeah. And that’s the sort of one that we go back to quite a lot, just because of. Who the guest was and the whole story that sort of, when that sort of stuck through me, aside from that one is we’ve had quite a lot of mediums on his guests. And that’s something that as sort of more UFO guy hadn’t really thought any sort of history of that side of the paranormal.

And I could, we had quite a lot of different mediums on different types of medium ships and different experiences. Just hearing all the. sort of gifts that they have been able to contact others and the message and that they give that’s, what’s been sort of, eye-opening just to hear all the different types of mediumship that’s been going on.

So probably that’s my favorite type of episodes at the minute. Really?

[00:11:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s um, it’s fun to go down different paths. And the good thing about paranormal is it encompasses so much that yeah, you’re not stuck to one specific topic. There’s so much. Stuff out there and so many different people that experience different things.

And so what’s your guys’ take on cuz it’s my favorite thing is, uh, what’s your guys’ take on the whole like alien UFO abduction phenomenon. I know we touched on it a little, but

[00:12:00] Ash: it’s, I mean, it is hard to know because there’s so many stories and so many experiences. and a lot of them are similar. They just, it’s hard to ignore the fact that so many people having these experiences and these some cases there is evidence in terms of like time missing and marks and the bodies and even implants in some cases, and people are people just like, wipe it up and say, nah, it’s, it’s so bullshit.

So made up, but you can’t ignore just a multitude. okay. From all around the world. Like there’s some famous cases in the UK, in the us all over the world and this, I mean something to it. I mean, I like, I, I kind of do like the, sort of the XFiles the way they did it, whereas it was the government sort of pretending to be something else and taken, which could be, which could be what’s happening here.

Um, but I mean, it’s fascinating. I mean, duction is one that I’ve, um, sort of locked into quite a large part of my UFR. And we’ve done a few like articles on different abductions and sort of less than known sort of abduction cases. And there’s a lot that have a lot of evidence to go with him. Like there’s one case in Australia where there’s long story short, there was a family, a couple that had a friend staying over.

And the, the, the female friend heard the, the female couple screaming shout for help. She runs into the room and she sees her basically in a beam of light and she disappears. And then, so she wakes the husband up, they call the police, they come out to search the land on this sort of property. Can’t find anything to get a random phone call a couple hours later, and it’s from the female and she’s like 500 miles away at a petrol station.

She had just been dumped like the side of the road, managed to walk, to find a Petro station. They called the police in that part of Australia where she was now, you confirm that she was with him there with her, and she’s in this place, this place 500 miles away. But there no way she could have got from that building to 500 miles away in that space of time.

And again, there was some sort of physical evidence. Property as well. So it’s just one case where not where people heard of it, but she was like, it’s fact that she was there and then she was suddenly found hundred miles away and it’s space a couple, couple hours later. There’s no way she could have got in a car and traveled that distance.

So it’s just a really, that’s just a really interesting case that I love about you, Greg. What’s your abduction.

[00:14:43] Greg: So like you say, there’s so many. It like people and accounts of it happening. And you’ve got the famous ones, um, got Travis Walton. Um, we’ve also spoke to a guy called Philip Canella who had his own experience in his house when he was younger and even refused to, to talk about some of the experience because of the nature of what they did to him.

Um, and. I dunno it, why not? If we are open to think that we are being visited by whatever, then why wouldn’t they be? Know you’d put up a post on your Facebook about, uh, with a picture of somebody being sort of drawn up into a beamed up here and you’re asking. Uh, like what, what do you think it is?

And I put down, um, it’s PO possibly a future. Us coming back. They’re doing tests on us to find out what went wrong, to get, get to whatever it is in the future. So that maybe that’s a, a thought on it. It’s definitely some kind of experiment of some kind of sample taking appears to go on. Like you said, Ash, people have got marks.

Some people. So their experience being like on a operating table and they can see these creatures, um, over them. And it’s, I dunno, uh, if I’m open to believe everything else that I, I like to, to look at and we read into, and, and we discuss on the podcast, why wouldn. I think that abductions take place. And I, I think I’ve heard enough stories from people in their experiences that something’s definitely happening to these people.

What is, who knows? I don’t think you’ll ever know unless you are, it happens to you. Um, but it doesn’t seem impossible if, if we’d been visited by whoever.

[00:17:00] Jeremiah: yeah, I actually saw a, um, program. I can’t remember what it was. It was on TV, but, um, and it showed like a computer generated like graphic, I guess, of like what people would look like if like evolution kept happening with like us staring at screens all the time, our eyes would get bigger.

Uh, we would start eating less, so our mouse would get smaller and it ended up turning into like what you would think as a classical gray. So that was really interesting and ties into your theory of them possibly being from the future and coming back. And maybe that’s why they’re so secretive too, is they can’t really be known

[00:17:46] Greg: mm-hmm so was it, it was wasn’t it a famous astronaut on UK TV, Nolan.

Talked about future humans. Was it? We were discussing it Ash. Yeah.

[00:17:56] Ash: Tim, Tim peak mentioned it. Tim peak, peak morning television, but like he’s, he’s NAU and he’s become bit of a celebrity in the UK being like one of our astronauts going to the space station. So he’s quite high profile. Like the morning TV of show HES on is like what’s by millions.

And we was talking about one of the recent developments in the us and talking to him about it. He was talking about like the different fears about you mentioned in dimensional. It could be that you mentioned it could be future humans. And it was taught like in a serious manner. It wasn’t like jokingly.

He was saying like, I believe it could be this. This is from like going from natural, like astronaut that’s well respected. So it’s just cool to hear him talking about it in like that way. It was pretty.

[00:18:37] Jeremiah: all right. So we’ll

[00:18:38] Ash: what you meant and what you, yeah, go ahead. So I was gonna say, what, what, what you mentioned then about, um, the future humans and the way that we evolve.

I was listening to an anthropologist a while ago and he was talking about how we sort of became how we appear now and it’s and how we became sort of intelligent. It’s because we stood up is that we are the only like creature on earth that stood up. Then, because we stood up two legs. the gap at the back of our heads widened and that allowed our brain to grow bigger and that allowed us to gain more intelligence.

As we evolved, our brains became bigger. Obviously we evolved into homo sapiens now and obviously very intelligent species, but because we stand up, we get a lot of back problems as a species, but that’s the genetic sort of evolution is gonna give you a bad back back problems. Cause you’re standing up in two feet rather than.

But the plus side is you have the bigger brain and you’re able to evolve and survive because you have big intelligence. So you fall that forward. Like you say, the head getting bigger, like sort of the gray alien, typical gray alien got sort of the big heads cause you have a bigger brain. So it’s just, again, further down the evolution trait is the bigger head with the bigger brain, the bigger eyes from the screens.

So it just sort of tie in with that. And if, if we hadn’t stood up like a million millions of years, We’ve still been and like something crawling and all falls, like the rest of the creatures are, they are. So it’s just sort of, it does tie into that. They’re

[00:20:05] Greg: also, um, evolution is happening to humans as we speak as well because children are now being born without wisdom teeth, because there’s no.

Yeah. So they, they reckon children’s faces. The shape of children’s faces is gonna change over the years because we’re all born with wisdom. Already and they just sort of move and whatnot over the years, but children are now being born without ’em cuz we don’t need them.

[00:20:36] Jeremiah: It is wild to think

[00:20:38] Greg: about yeah.

It’s odd. Completely odd.

[00:20:41] Jeremiah: Yeah. So, um, I guess that’s a good segue into old Bigfoot phenomenon. so I’m gonna have to ask the same thing about that since we’re talking about preachers standing up and all. Um, what’s your guys’ take on the whole Bigfoot phenomenon. What do you, what do you think you think they’re real?

You think they’re out there? Do you think they’re like leftover homage or are they like inter dimensional beings? And then I’ve heard some things where they like, kind of a, are seen with UFOs and stuff like that. So, uh, I’ll hear your guys take on that.

[00:21:21] Ash: Greg’s got the t-shirt on. So like you got, I saw that.

[00:21:24] Jeremiah: Yeah. Oh, there it goes. so he’s got the big foot in UFO t-shirt

[00:21:29] Greg: yeah, yeah. Available on our website. Um, just a little plug. So, um, at the start of this journey that me and Ash have been on at the start of the podcast. It wasn’t something that I really knew much about really put, I thought it was more of like a romantic type of idea that there’s this unknown species in the woods, blah, blah, blah.

But the more we, we talk about it and we more, we speak to experts. People who’ve had experiences. There definitely seems to be something in it, even in the UK. Which we don’t have half, well, a tiny speck of the percentage of wild life, um, and wilderness that you guys have over in the states. There’s still reports of similar type creatures in the UK.

I think the only way we can explain some of that is inter dimens. Alien related. So UFO related, there are hotspots where, um, crypted are spotted, um, with UFOs and other kind of experiences at the same time. As you talk about SDU ranch, similar type thing happen there, ski Walker ranch. They’ve had Creek just coming out of portals over the ranch.

So I’m more of a believer now than I was right. The.

[00:23:06] Ash: Yeah. So similar to Greg, like I’ve always had an interest in the whole Bigfoot of things. Didn’t think it could be in the UK, but there’s literally hundreds of reports that are from the UK and from some of the places where you think there’s no way, like there’d be a small park for bit Woodland.

And it’s surrounded by housing states yet. There’s like multiple reports of Bigfoot sighting. It’s like how it’s like middle of a housing state, surrounded by houses there. No way it could go. But if you look at the, in dimensional aspect of it, it easy. If its, if he just come in and go in, dimension’s a dimension.

There’s no reason why it can’t be in that small park. It does explain sort of how they can seen. I’m actually a member of the Bigfoot research team, UK. We go out into the, the forest, we set up the equipment, we talk to different people that have had experiences. We take sort of sightings reports and like similar.

The last topic abduction there’s that many reports independent of each other, even going back hundreds and thousands of years, similar reports from different parts of the world. Like there has to be something like we, we, we done episodes on yawe in Australia and some of the, like sort of before the Brits came over and sort of the aboriginals, they had folk long legends going back hundreds and hundreds of years of eight.

and like, and he would be like, sort of, they kept away from each other. They respected each other sort of land. That was his land. They did it en croach. They did it en croach into the humans land. And this case is from like native American time where they reported seeing a moon shape in the sky and monkeys coming out of the mood.

So that’s like, that’s how they describe. And it was like monkeys coming out of the moon was when you try and sort of think of how we would. Interpret that is a craft in the sky and Bigfoot coming outta the craft. That’s kind of what they’re describing when they’re saying this all monkeys coming out of the moon in the sky, like, and it’s like, obviously if people say like UFOs drop off Bigfoot, it’s like a pet or they do, they abduct Bigfoot the same as they abduct humans to do experiments and stuff.

So again, that link is just there. Always whatever sort of avenue you go down. If it’s Bigfoot, abduction, UFOs over crypted UFOs, are there there’s other aspects of the paranormal is always there. It’s never sort of isolated cases. It’s too the all interconnected one way or another. You can’t have one about the other.

It seems the more we look into it.

[00:25:49] Greg: and there’s a new documentary has just come out. I will just plug them cuz I know they’re we’ve uh, they’re coming on my show. Yeah. Are they secret to the Sasquatch by Dockside media, Chris and Tyler. Um, it’s awesome guys, but their documentary. Um, we really enjoyed that.

I, I, I was really, it was a good take on the. Sort of the big, first Sasquatch sort of phenomena, uh, and their, the experiences of people they interviewed have had. So that’s cool. So check out everybody.

[00:26:25] Jeremiah: Yeah. I watched that too, and I like how they went different angles. Like it wasn’t just one angle at it.

There was multiple cause they had the Sue Walker on there again, and yep. She had a different angle and. Then you had the guy from, I think Pennsylvania actually, that was like very like straight laced. And he’s like, I don’t know. I, I believe they’re out here, but you know, he wasn’t into like the fantasizing of it or anything.

He was very like straightforward and I was actually just talking to a guy, um, and he had a different theory of Bigfoot and he said that, what if, cuz we were talking about hollow. And, um, he said, what if they just live in the cave systems and stuff that we don’t venture into, and then they pop out from time to time to wander around.

And you know, it just, I never thought about that before. So it made me think like, oh yeah, that’s actually a good theory. yeah.

[00:27:29] Ash: I suppose in America you have, what are they called? Like the massive underground cave or something it’s called. Like when you look at the actual map of American where the caves actually.

And how far they stretch on the ground is just phenomenal. Like obviously lots of people got missing trying to explore it. And a lot of it is just UN explored. Like, yeah, it’s a legitimate reason. And again, in the UK, it’s a similar thing where you can get from city to city on the ground in abandoned coal mines in old railways aren’t used anymore.

And it just natural K formations. You can’t get across many miles on the. that aren’t generally humans don’t generally go down there. Cause it’s all black D it’s unsafe. It’s just unexplored. So yeah, again, you could explain it both the UK and America as well, but America does have the mass. Is it called the massive K system?


[00:28:19] Jeremiah: not exactly what it’s called. I know we have a bunch of different

[00:28:22] Ash: case. It’s got a good hyper bowl. I think I it’s actually cool. Massive something like I’m sure it’s,

[00:28:28] Jeremiah: it’s something like that, but there’s like Cape systems, like all over the states. Not too far from me. There’s LaRay caverns, and there are massive tunnel systems and you can actually take tours down there and you can’t get to every part, but they’ll take you to like the main parts.

And I know in the, uh, Northwest and Midwest, there’s a bunch of CA systems. So ,

[00:28:55] Greg: what’s your take on Bigfoot then? What do you think he did? Um, she.

[00:29:02] Jeremiah: So I think they are leftover hoed. So like, um, you know, how you see in magazines or national geographic or wherever, like they found like Lucy skeleton and then there was like Australia pit the scene and all that.

I think there’s some type of branch of early ed and, um, they just happened to escape slaughter. They take refuge in cave systems and in the deep woods where people don’t really venture. And, uh, then of course you have like Yeti and they’re in like the mountain mountainous regions that there’s not a lot of people and south America, I’m sure they have in the Amazon and stuff like that.

So that’s my take on it. I think they’re just left over and the whole alien connection, maybe. The aliens are just abducting them and doing tests on them, just like they are us. And maybe we’re both products of alien DNA tampering. Yeah.

[00:30:09] Greg: Maybe, maybe

[00:30:12] Ash: we, I think one thing when we did our, a first episode actually on yai and we talked about all the different ones, like you got the year in big, uh, Yeti, Bigfoot yai, all different ones like China, India, all these different places.

Well, and there are very similar in descriptions are very similar in behavior and sort of place where live. It’s always like forest regions or mountain regions. And obviously so many thousand millions of years ago before the constant split, it could have all been sort of together. And obviously, obviously going back a long time, but as the continent have split and come apart, they obviously then evolved into their own sort of sub species of the same.

The for five sort of thing. And it is like they all come back to the same ancestor. I think that’s the way I’m looking for originally before, like the content split. Cuz when you look at your parts and from basically from hundreds and hundreds years ago, how does someone in Australia sort of know about Bigfoot in America?

Whereas if it happened today, you think, oh, this was ready on the internet now gonna make up a. Based on what someone saw in America, but hundreds and thousands of years ago, and two different communities on different parts of the world that don’t know your exists yet, both reporting, seeing the same type of creature acting the same way.

They it’s not, they’re not really in the newspaper. They’re just, they’re having them experiences. They are both saying something independently of each other. So it’s gotta be something, something. Yeah, I have a

[00:31:47] Jeremiah: wild theory and, uh, it’s just my personal theory and it might be rubbish, but like panga, like you said, when everything was together, all the land masses, what if, what if all the like, pyramids around the world and all that stuff happened during that time?

And then the cataclysm happened and they all spread apart. Like you were. And, um, that’s why there’s so much similarities and so many different stories, but, um, they’re all similar, but in different regions of the world, it’s just, you know, like I said, a crazy theory that I think about.

[00:32:29] Greg: Yeah, cuz there’s a lot of like temples and buildings, like specifically like pyramids and like the Aztecs have got a certain kind of building and there you can see stuff like that in other, um, civilizations across the world that couldn’t have known about each other like that like cash was talking about.

So how could any of that have all happened? And, yeah, it’s, it’s just as likely, like you said, it all happened at the same. And then it all splits and that’s why it’s they’re apart or there’s something in it.

[00:33:03] Jeremiah: But yeah. And if you throw like, um, biblical reference in like, maybe that was part of like the tower of babble when they were trying to, you know, build something to God or something, and they got, uh, spread apart in different languages and stuff, like.

I don’t know. I’m just trying to tie it all together.

[00:33:24] Greg: Yeah. It’s, it’s just such a, like a massive rabbit hole when you think, right. How can all this be? How can it all be linked? It’s there’s so many ways you can sort of go off and think about, is it aliens? Is it, I dunno, re civilization of the world. We’ve we’ve gone extinct and we’ve been repopulated and it’s just the old stuff.

And it’s.

[00:33:51] Ash: Or the universe was created yesterday and it it’s all, all been implanted memory. We we’d have no way of knowing mm-hmm if we weren’t all created today.

[00:34:01] Greg: Yeah. Yeah. Tom DeLong is going down the hall. Everything. There’s no history. No past. Present doesn’t exist. Oh, sorry. There’s no past there’s no future.

All time is happening right now. So everything that’s ever happened and everything that will never happen. It’s. so like you say, Ash, we just, it

[00:34:22] Jeremiah: is what it is. So what, what do you guys think about it’s becoming very popular now, like this simulation theory where we’re in a simulation.

[00:34:33] Greg: I tell you what I picked up a shitty character.

If that’s a, how did I get somebody else to work all the time? but yeah, I don’t, I don’t see what. let’s say anything seems to be on the table for me now, the, the more we look into stuff, the less we seem to get closer to the answer. It just seems a little bit further away. Um,

[00:34:59] Ash: I’m up, it’s like the pat the patterns in nature, and like now they’re getting small and smaller.

They’re splitting the atom and they’re splitting the small atoms and the quantum nano. Getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Then when they do, you know, they’re getting smaller and smaller when they open it up. So to speak, it’s the same sort of pattern as what was there, but just on a minuscule, can’t even think about how small we actually, they actually are, but they still have so much inside them.

And it’s just,

how, how can it be.

[00:35:40] Greg: Um, yeah, you only have to look at the, um, the James web space, telescope pictures to, to, to try and figure out how small we are in the grand scheme of things. And we are pathetically small. So going down to that atomic level, and like you said, there’s patterns and everything. How is math.

a thing. Maths seems to be the explain, um, allows us to work out everything. And I,

[00:36:14] Jeremiah: yeah, it’s like, like a code. Yeah. And then you get like, um, there’s people that are into, like, I forget what it’s called numerology and stuff like that. And they can find like number patterns, everything like from like sports betting to like biblical code and it all like breaks down the math mathematics.

So weird.

[00:36:35] Greg: Yeah. The, the Bible code is, is good. It’s I’ve read a couple of books on the Bible code and how people finding stuff in that is just . I dunno. And, but yeah. How, how, how, it’s another possibility of everything that’s happening is we are in a simulation

[00:36:56] Ash: and we can, we can create now like artificial communities, artificial sort of inte.

It’s, it’s not too far beyond a step for them to become sort of not self-aware but self living and where they’re all sort of living alive, even though they’re created by us. So that’s only a little step beyond where we are now in the fact that we could create us like humanity in a microchip. And is that all we are, could be easily, could be.

That would

[00:37:32] Jeremiah: be pretty sad. Like you said,

[00:37:35] Greg: we just did a big Petri dish that explains flat troll me,

[00:37:39] Jeremiah: needs to step up their game.

[00:37:42] Greg: yeah. Throw some more coins my way.

[00:37:47] Jeremiah: it is a fun theory to think about though. It’s like, what if we are, I’ll just the coded program that’s running and maybe not controlled by anybody, but just set to run and we’re just living out whatever code it.

It. .

[00:38:03] Greg: Yeah, definitely. It’s just, it’s a good theory. Is any other theory? I

[00:38:07] Jeremiah: suppose, cause there’s like times in my life that like, it feels like it was like preordained to happen. Like there was no way around doing whatever, whatever event it is. It’s like, It, I had a choice, I guess, but not really. It doesn’t feel like , it’s almost like it was meant to be regardless.

[00:38:27] Greg: Yeah. So whichever choice you fixed point in time. Yeah. So wherever, whichever choice you made was still gonna, it was still gonna happen. So me and Ash, when we started the podcast, we, we met through like a mutual appreciation of poker. Then since then we’ve had guests on, they live in places where like down the road from me, but they’re the same place in America, like names of cities and towns.

Like we speak to Chris and Tyler, um, from Dockside media and it turns out they they’re local to you. We’ve spoken to yeah, they’re from my hometown or it’s just insane. Speak to loads of people we’re talking. Somebody who was recommended to us the other day. He belongs to like, the Oxford paranormals is like in America.

Oxford’s like 10 minutes from me in the UK. Just all these weird things. We interviewed a guest and he grew up in the same village that my best friend grew up in. We spent, we would’ve been roughly around the same time in the same village. It’s just like loads of weird things happen. we have weird experiences, me and Ash on our recordings, weird stuff happens it.

I said to him the other day I said something like it, like lo loads of weird stuff happens that we like, we seem to be on a path. So for you just saying now, um, that ties in with what me and Ash were, were talking about the other day. It was just like a random, late night message. I sent him. whilst they’re high on my prescription pages.

There’s a lot of coincidences. Yeah.

[00:40:11] Ash: Yeah. There’s a lot of coincidences.

[00:40:13] Greg: Yeah. Let’s just say that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Very straight. Yeah. It’s like

[00:40:17] Jeremiah: my podcast, like before I did this, I tried to do like a video game website type of thing, and everything just seemed so hard, like to get it going and do all the work for it and stuff like that.

So I gave up on that and then I was like, I wanna do a podcast. And I was thinking like, what I could talk about. I was like, well, I’ve always been into, you know, X piles type stuff. So I was like, I’m gonna do a podcast about that. And everything just seemed so to flow so easy and everything just kind of like lined up and it’s still like snowballing.

I feel like, and it’s almost like, like I said, it’s, uh, destined to happen. And whereas the video game website wasn’t meant to happen. That’s why I had so much resistance to like, get it going. Yeah. It’s just odd. It’s weird.

[00:41:11] Greg: I feel you there. I’ve um, yeah, I’ve thought I’ve had ideas in the past and it’s just like, everything just seems so difficult.

Then met Ash and it’s just. nonstop. We just, we just think

[00:41:26] Ash: we didn’t even like plan anything. We didn’t even talk, talk each other that didn’t really even know each other. And then he just messing me and said, you wanna start a podcast? pretty much sounds like it was two weeks later. We had a podcast and now it’s like nearly two years.

I’m 200 episodes nearly. It’s just don’t know what’s happening. It’s just crazy.

[00:41:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s weird. Yeah. The synchronicities. like, um, my fiance and I were talking about how, like, you could be talking about someone and then they pop up sure enough. And like, where does that come from? Because it happens all the time.

[00:42:02] Greg: Yeah. My, my daughter keeps talking about manifestations and manifesting stuff and like talking about stuff, mate makes it happen. So I D I dunno if I’m quite that far down the line with believing that, but weird, weird stuff does seem to. For

[00:42:19] Ash: definite, we were talking with Tyler actually from duck side last week about, so is there some sort of lost gift that humans have that would just give food evolution or food?

Other things have sort of lost it where you can connect on a, obviously on a subconscious level with other people, like we’re talking about, like you can sort of feel when someone’s staring at you, you know, you can’t see it. You’re, there’s some sort of, part of you. Recognize if someone’s looking at you, and they’re saying that when someone talks about you, your ears burn, these different things, somebody say about thinking about someone and suddenly they call you or they message you.

Maybe you are thinking of them. So there’s somehow think of you in return. That message does get to ’em. Cause you’re thinking about them and there’s that gift that humans have that maybe mediums still have it, but majority of people don’t have that. We’ve not we’ve lost it or we’ve closed the fair eye or whoever they refer to it.

And then, but that’s is still on some level it’s still there. So you’re thinking about them somehow. They picked up on that however many miles where they are thought, oh, and, and seeing J away, that’s a text him. See how he is. And it’s because you were thinking of them and somehow they’ve picked up on that and some wavelength somewhere that, cause obviously all atoms are connected, getting closer again in science to, is it quantum or quacks or whatever it is where you can two atoms, not connected.

They can control all in different, I think like 20 feet away or they’ve got the distance they’ve got so far or something under where they can connect. we have nothing. I dunno what I’m talking about anymore, but it it’s, that fair sounded good where it’s sounding good or every atom is every, every atom is connected.

Yeah. Um, and again, like we are built from, at homes, you get us down to the basic level. We’re just bits of hydrogen and oxygen and carbon. We’re the same as a tree or whatever. Literally,

[00:44:18] Jeremiah: basically it’s all like energy.

[00:44:21] Ash: Whoa. Yeah. It’s all energy. So it’s some sort of lost gift that we can, we just don’t have that gift anymore, if that makes sense.

But I just .

[00:44:32] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause I heard about, um, there’s this thing called, like the cosmic download where people say that if you like meditate a certain way or um, you can like tap into this universal knowledge, that’s out there just floating around and. they can some, that’s why they think like, some people like Nicola, Tesla, and Einstein, they were able to like tap into that, like universal like knowledge and like, that’s why they drew all those like theories and inventions and stuff like that.

And it kind of goes into like, I don’t know, I would, I used to watch basketball a lot and there was games where, and this was when Al and Iverson was in the league. And. He was a very famous, uh, basketball player here in the states. But, uh, it was like, he couldn’t miss the basket. Like you would score. You’d be like, how the hell did he make that shot?

And it was like, he was tapped into some higher level of consciousness or something that like, and then there was nights where he was just cold. Like he couldn’t hit anything and, or couldn’t score at all. And it’s just a crazy thing

[00:45:45] Greg: to think about. Yeah, definitely definit. It’s a crazy world. Don’t it?

[00:45:52] Jeremiah: so if you guys, um, are there any like dream guests or any topics that you still wanna cover or someone you want to talk to?

Like if you could get any guests on, who would your pick me?

[00:46:11] Greg: Good question. So we’ve had, we’ve had had a few people and there is one guest that I’ve always wanted. But I, I don’t really think he certainly, nowadays doesn’t really fit with, with what the podcast is. So I’ve been a long time sort of follow of the work of David Ike.

David Ike is, um,

wow. Wow. He. It’s very difficult to explain David Ike but back in the eighties, I know, I know he’s used to listen to him. Yeah. So he’s got a lot of good theories about a lot of stuff and a lot of weird theories about a lot of weird stuff. Um, but I. I think he’d be very interesting guest for anybody who who’s aware of him.

He definitely is a polarizing figure. People will ever like him or I don’t like him. I’ve got a lot of his books, which talk about lot of coincidences in conspiracy theories, which isn’t something we really touch on in our podcast. Um, and it’s just fascinating to see his process behind it. And he, he was talking years ago, like 20 years ago about.

High profile pedophiles in the UK and politicians and, um, celebrities. And everybody was saying, ask rubbish, that’s rubbish. And now we’ve got this thing called operation. in the UK where all these top celebrities from like the sixties, seventies and eighties, um, are all tumbling because they’ve all been found that they’ve been touching kids or acting inappropriately with minors.

Um, back in the early days of TV. um, and all the stuff he said about in those books is all like true. And he is like, if it was ever false, why are people not suing me? Cause they, they don’t want the truth to come out. So he’s a guess I’d really like to talk to, however, I don’t think we’d ever get him and be, you know, yeah.

It’s not, not really doesn’t fit in with the podcast anymore. That’s a long. Long

[00:48:21] Jeremiah: well, if I ever get him on as a guest, I’ll have you on his cohost. Yeah.

[00:48:26] Greg: Yeah, definitely. I’d love to chat to him. I’ve been fascinated by his work and he, he covers all like the aliens, reptilians energy, uh, conspiracies, all that kind of stuff.

So it’s some good stuff, but he’s got some way out theories that I don’t necessarily agree with. He,

[00:48:43] Jeremiah: he used to do, he used to do, um, like six, eight hour. Like, uh, conference things at the Wembley stadium. Yeah. Sold

[00:48:52] Greg: out stuff. Yeah. It’s just like insane. You’d get more people coming to him than some football teams in the UK soccer teams in states.


[00:49:01] Jeremiah: yeah, he’s one of the first ones I listened to when I started like looking into, you know, fringe stuff, same his

[00:49:08] Greg: P yeah, same, same. And he was ridiculed for a long time. Um, due to the way that the. sort of focused on the joke side of him being saying, he’s like the son of God and all this kind of stuff.

And he was just ridiculed, but, um, yeah, very polarizing figure. Um, how about you Ash? Sorry, I went on quite a bit there.

[00:49:35] Ash: sorry. So for me, I guess, I mean, I’m a pop punk email boy at heart, and I grew up listening to like blink 180 2 and green. Or type of bands and Tom DeLong still listening to play 180 2.

Tom’s not part of him anymore different singer, but Tom DeLong then obviously went into TSA and that’s like, my two loves just combined in Tom and the work he’s done and everything sort to, I mean, yeah, Tom DeLong would just be, cause he he’s mean he’s. Gone through aliens, even like the early days blink when I two, when he was still teenager and it interviews, he’s talking about crash retrieval and bodies and aliens and everything is, is been there his whole life.

And it’s obviously now had the money in the time fruit last few years is left the music well, did leave the music and then went into UFOs. Which why, why wouldn’t you wanna do that? You had the money and the time to do it. And then obviously now it’s gone back into music a bit more. Those airways, but yeah, Tom DeLong just, uh, he’s he’s like he, he knows a lot of stuff as well.

He knows a lot of high profile people, a lot of stuff. He’s not said that he knows that he can’t talk about and stuff and yeah, the starting would be a dream, a dream come true. He’s supposed to explain in the Manchester main in March gonna go, gonna go over sign saying like, thank you for TSA and everything.

Trying to see, like, so as I I’m one of those that I’ll wait for five hours after the gig for the, for them to come out and to see him and stuff, I’d be there. I’d wait, trying to, to see him, he canceled in the end. Um, but yeah, T long would be, I’ve

[00:51:12] Greg: got, I’ve got another one, got another one. It would never happen.

I for C Clark.

So he was the inventor of the communications S. He designed it back in wherever he, he move, he was an English guy, moved out to Sri Lanka, sort of retired and done all this stuff. But he had a program called AFC cloud’s world of strange mysteries. And that is the program that got me into this whole journey.

When I was younger, there was a, a story about a pot Geist, um, case, and it freaked me out completely. He was always talking about stigma, martyrs, and crystal skulls and all this kind of thing. That was the, the one part where I thought, actually, this stuff’s really fascinating. Started taking me he’s long time dead now.

I think he’s, he was in his nineties when he died, but that would be one, cuz that would be my proper fanboy moment. I think . How about you, Jeremiah? Yeah. Who’s your ideal guest? Who would you be looking for?

[00:52:17] Jeremiah: Oh man. Um, it’d probably be hard to get ’em on, but maybe not. I don’t know. Um, well the episode airing on Monday, tomorrow is one of my dream guests, LA Marzuk.

I just like the guy he’s very passionate. He’s got a different take on the whole alien and UFO thing. It’s not for everyone cuz he’s more religious based. So he’s more on the aliens or demons and stuff like that. , he has gone a long time trying to uncover like giant skeletons and elongated skulls and, uh, stuff to back up his claim.

And so that was one of my dream guests, but the other one that I haven’t done yet, and I’ll, I’ll try to reach out to him maybe who knows, but, uh, Graham Hancock, uh, I don’t know if you guys know him. He’s from UK too. Yeah.

[00:53:14] Ash: He’s C of the gods.

[00:53:16] Jeremiah: Is it? Yeah. Oh no, that was Fanta Graham. Hancock’s the one who’s always on Joe Rogan for like iowaska and he wrote, um, fingerprints of the gods, I think.

Oh, fantastic one. Yeah. Where he talks about the pyramids and all that. So yeah, he’s one of my dream guests to track down and , I, I really want to talk to him cuz he’s got so much to talk about and I like his, uh, works as well. Just the. Not just the iowaska side, but like the ancient past and forgotten civilizations and all that stuff that he talks about.

[00:53:56] Greg: that’s cool. Yeah. Just fire him a message, you know, he might be on sorry, online at that time and it pops up. Yeah. You never know. That’s how I think we got lucky with some of our guests. They just sort of, they read the message at the right time. Um, let’s do the interview.

[00:54:12] Jeremiah: Oh, I actually had another dream.

Um, I emailed him his name’s Michael Tinger and he’s from South Africa and he, um, he actually responded to me and said, I can’t do it right now. Cuz I’m starting this one small town, I guess he’s building a, like a small town in South Africa and um, he’s like con contact me back in October and I’ll come on.

So I was like sweet. So yeah, that’s cool. I’ll reach out to ’em again in October and that’ll be another dream guest off the list.

[00:54:47] Greg: Awesome. That’s cool. Yeah, sometimes it just needs that one, one message. And

[00:54:53] Jeremiah: it all changes. Yeah. If you hit ’em at the right time and exactly, I’ve learned to like, try to reach out to people when they’re like not doing any type of tours or, uh, anything like that.

and sometimes they’ll be like, sorry, I can’t do it. Or sometimes they’ll. Reach out to me in few months or whatever, but , I think a lot of people are willing to, to talk and share their experience.

[00:55:21] Greg: Definitely. I think now cuz the technology allows us to do it. They don’t need to go anywhere. People can just sit in their bedroom or wherever and just speak into a device.

Don’t necessarily have to do anything. I think that that definitely opens up guests a lot. Um, oh, yeah, for sure. Makes it easy for people for definite.

[00:55:42] Jeremiah: So, um, for the audience, where can they find you reach out to you? I’ll let you plug all your stuff oh, to you.

[00:55:51] Ash: Well, the podcast is pursuit of the paranormal podcast.

You can find on Spotify, apple, anywhere looking to your podcast. All our links are on our link tree, which is link for last pursuit. The power normally got our bar coffee on there. Our. You can listen to the show on there. You buy our merch on there. We do two episodes a week, at least every Saturday, every Tuesday, different topics.

We’re increasing that to free episodes weekly. Very soon, this is hard work. We have a tip talk, see at the paranormal podcast, which we are sort of concentrate on the minute, trying to get a younger, a younger crowd involved, uh, yeah, just should have had normal on Facebook on Instagram, Twitter. Just say, appreciate the paranormal.

Yeah. And you’ll find us. All

[00:56:39] Jeremiah: right. Well, thank you guys for coming on and talking with us. And we went down a lot of different rabbit holes, but it was

[00:56:45] Greg: fun. yeah, it was. Yeah. Thanks for having the song.

[00:56:49] Ash: Yeah. Good to see you again. Yeah, definitely.

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On the Trail of the Nephilim

On the Trail of the Nephilim

On the Trail of the Nephilim

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On the Trail of the Nephilim

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.


my fellow terrestrials. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We’re gonna have an amazing show here with the man, the myth, the legend LA Marli. We’re gonna talk about on the trail of the Nephem about his research into UFOs and alien abductions and a bunch of other stuff. So, hang around for a bit. But, first I wanna give a shout out to a friend, fellow podcaster.

You should check out her podcast. It’s called strange origins. Play a clip right here.

Hello, my friends. My name is Paige Wilson Hume and I have been interested in the MC cob from a very young age. Gothic tales, mysterious disappearances and strange events that you can’t quite explain. These are some great examples of what I dive into in my podcast.

Strange origins in strange origins. I try my best to answer your questions about history and even pose some new ones. Have you ever wondered what gave birth to the stories that we tell around the campfire? What happened in our history that caused spooky tales of creatures, such as, werewolves and ladies, and white to be passed down from generation to generation.

More importantly, why are we still so fascinated with the macab join me as I jump down the rabbit hole of a new subject each week and attempt to stitch together the history of all things strange and

spooky. If it sounds interesting to you, give it a listen before we get to the interview, just wanna say.

Don’t forget to rate and review. The show really helps out also, what if the wrong podcast is on, buy me a coffee, you can go on, buy me a coffee link will be in the description. If you want to donate to this show, you can donate. It would be highly appreciated. Also, you get a shout out on the following episode, all LA Mar’s links will be in the description as well.

So, if you enjoy what he talks to us about, you can find it pretty quickly and easily. He’s definitely gonna drop a lot of knowledge on us. So, without further ado, we’ll get to the interview here, and remember question everything. Welcome to the what if the wrong podcast I’m Jeremiah, your host joined today by co-host April.

And we’re talking to the man, the myth, the legend LA Marli and his works with on the trail of the neem, uh, prophecies and the cosmic chess match. A lot of information, a lot of stuff to, uh, talk about and his knowledge is vast. And, unlike a lot of other people, he actually goes and, uh, to these places and researches and puts the feet on the ground and really, uh, ties it all together.

So, we’ll introduce him now.


[00:03:28] Marzulli: Hello, LA. Great to be here guys. Thanks for having me on, appreciate it. Yes.

[00:03:32] Jeremiah: Thank you for coming on. Uh, we’re excited to do this. So, I wanted to ask what was your aha moment when you said I have to do this on the trail of the neem and what got you down that

[00:03:46] Marzulli: path? Did you, have you heard this

[00:03:49] Jeremiah: before?

I have, but my audience probably hasn’t. Okay.

[00:03:52] Marzulli: This is cause I’ll, I’ll tell you the story. I mean, the aha moment for me was, um, several years ago, about 10 years ago, maybe, maybe longer. I don’t know. So, I get a call from my battle, buddy. Russ Diar. and, you know, Russ passed away in December and I really miss him.

He was, we attended 90 conferences together and we were kind of cut from the same cloth. We, you know, had the whole rough UN tumble world of the sixties and you know, the whole deal. Right. I was a little older than Russ, but it was basically the same, you know, it’s fast times at Mont I hate to say it, but that’s exactly what it was right with spa.

And Iole, it’s like, you know, clueless. So, I’m getting ready to head that new Ohio, Newark, Ohio, and Russ called me and goes, Hey LA, do you know where you’re going? I’m going to Newark Ohio. Why Russ? And, he starts, you have to know him when he, when he has that little undercurrent of a laugh, when he is sort of chuckling to himself, you can barely hear it, but it’s there.

And he goes, no, no, no, no, no. Do you know where you’re going? I go, Russ, I’m going to Newark Ohio. And in that little laugh again, a little louder. Come on Ross. What’s going on? He goes, are you buying your computer? I go, yeah. And he goes, Google, uh, NEM giants, fallen angels in the Ohio valley. I go, what? And he says the title again by Fritz Zimerman.

I mean, what, you know, fallen angels in the Ohio valley, uh, you know, the Neel and Chronicles. I mean, what, you know, I thought I was done with all this. He goes, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They just, you need to look at this. So, I get the PDF on Amazon. I read it on the plane, cuz it’s a five hour flight basically. I’m like reading this thing on the plane, like, oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh, my mind’s blown Fritz Silverman. And um, I get to, Nerk see when they say it, I know where you guys are located, but in Ohio it’s Neha. That’s how they in and that that’s fun. I live in NEKA high and that that’s fine. But, you know it. Hm, anyways, Newark, Ohio, but you know, I haven’t people, I don’t have an accent.

Oh, yes you do. So, I get it. So, I’m going to near aha. And I’m there and I’m, I’m my, driver’s driving me from the, from the hotel to the venue to back again. So, he’s doing this, and on Saturday, uh, after lunch, he’s driving me back to the venue or dinner, whatever it was. And I go, let me ask you something. I’ve I’ve been reading about this great circle, Mel, in, in, right here in Newark, Ohio.

Um, do you know where that is? And he goes, oh yeah. You’ve, you’ve gone by it every day. I go, what he goes. Yeah. In fact, it’s coming up here in about a mile. So, I’m in the car, I’m in the back seat. He goes, there it is. And I look over and I get my first shot of the great circle now. And I go, well, look, I’ve got the conference heads tomorrow at noon.

I gotta go to lunch, and then I’ll be free. Instead of dropping me to the hotel. Can you drop me off here? Let’s say around one o’clock, and then from one to five, let me just spend, you know, three or four hours here and I’ll, I’ll call you if I get done early, he goes, okay, next day conference lunch drops me off.

There’s nobody in the parking lot at all. I’m the, he drops me off in the parking lot. Nobody there, this is like a God ordained moment. I’m walking up this asphalt path, which is about four feet wide to my left is this large mound of earth. I know it from Fritz’s book that this is the great circle mill and it’s huge.

I’m just kind of staring at this, like what? Get to the top of the path. I look to my right there’s the museum it’s closed. And so, what else is new? And I, I go to the left and I begin to walk. At the entrance of the great circle, Mel, and probably about 50 feet away from it. I just freeze. I just stop.

And I freeze and I’m hyperventilating, I’m doing this

and I, I can’t move. I’m not moving a muscle. I’m my eyes are darting around looking at this thing. And I realize I am looking at the rest of my life. I, I mean, it’s, it’s one of those moments in time that few people get in an entire lifetime, but I’m sitting there going, you are looking at the rest of your life, Mr.

Marzuk. This is what you will be doing for the rest of your life. And I just sat there like this, just like staring at it. And I I’m all, you know, every single cell, my, my whole body is just tingling and I’m, and I’m, I’m hyperventilating. I’m afraid to move. And I’m just sitting here looking at this thing for probably, I don’t know.

I don’t know how long I was there. I have no idea frozen. And then, I finally eased my way very slowly, not reverently, but very slowly and cautiously into the grid circle, Mel and I spent four hours there. Wow. And that was the beginning of on trail of ethylene. We have created, uh, seven films in the series.

I’m working on number eight now outta place artifacts. Hopefully you’ll have that done by the end of the summer. Um, all the film has been shot. I just gotta edit it. So, um, there is a hidden history. That’s been deliberately obfuscated from the peoples of the world. There’s no doubt about it. And you can see this.

There it is the mysterious mound builders, and you can see this, the elongated skull right behind me. And you can see the giant behind that. Um, it’s it’s mind boggling. It’s mind blowing. Now. Most

[00:09:47] April: people think that the mounds were. Indian burial grounds and, and things like that. Can you explain why you don’t believe it’s the ancient Indian burial


[00:10:03] Marzulli: Well, native Americans used them for secondary internments. They did. We know that they went in, and they buried their dead on the mounts, but native Americans did not know trigonometry. Let’s just start there. They did not know trigonometry. Now, if they did know trigonometry, why isn’t in the oral tradition of any tribe, if they knew about geometry, why isn’t in surely they would’ve guarded that they would’ve handed it down.

It would be in the oral tradition. Stop there. It’s not there. Right. So, when you go to the octagon mound, let’s just start there at the octagon mound. And when you’re in it, and I’ve been there three or four times, maybe, maybe more, I don’t know, you know, you lose track. I’ve been there a lot and, and I film there and through a drone over it.

So, you’re there in the octagon mound. It’s 50 acres. and it’s flat and you don’t know what you’re looking at. You know, you’re looking at something, but you don’t really know the only way you can see it is from the air. And then, when you’re in the air, you kind of go, oh my gosh, it’s an octagon, but then it gets better.

It’s in irregular octagon. Two of the sides are not equal. And octagon is eight sides with a specific angle. I forget what it is. And, it creates an octagon that’s geometry, but it ups the, it ups the ante. When you create two angles that are different. So, here’s the deal. I’m gonna show you what I mean. So, I’m gonna draw an octagon.

I’m gonna do this fairly, you know, free hand here. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Now there’s my hand drawn octagon. Not bad LA too

[00:11:46] Jeremiah: bad. Good.

[00:11:48] Marzulli: right. But, if I presented that to my teacher, she would go, well, how did you arrive at that? Well, I just drew it F got eight sides F no, it’s not what you do. You take a pro tractor and a ruler and you need the angle, the precise angle of that, of that thing.

And then, you need each side equal that’s for an equal octagon. But, this octagon okay. Is two of the sides are longer. Now it becomes like E off the charts and then you’re enclosing 50 acres. And then, if that, that wasn’t bad enough, right? How do you know what you’re doing? You don’t right. You don’t know what you’re doing, unless you’re in the air.

I mean, you know, you just don’t, how does it look to you? Tons O it looks pretty good to me. I think let’s keep going with the next slide. You don’t know what you’re looking at. You don’t know, unless you’re in the air. but it gets better, because the octagon, the great octagon, Mel, like many of the sites are built on an 18 and a half year lunar calendar, lunar cycle.

They know about, in fact in the octagon, I’m gonna show you where it is. It’s like right there where the big star is right there. Right there. There’s the star, right? There’s like a high place. It’s ceremonial. They don’t know what I know. Tell you exactly what it was used for. And that’s where the lunar standstill happens.

So, the moon is doing this 18 and a half year deal. And then, at the end of 18 and a half years, it stands directly over that spot and just stands there. Now let’s take my calculator in my computer. I’m gonna do some saffron for you people right now. yes, sir. Hold on. So, where’s my calculator. Where gonna it go?

They were just right there. .

[00:13:41] Jeremiah: So, sound like us in North Carolina.

[00:13:43] Marzulli: Yeah. Yes, sir. 18, 18.6. You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorist. how did he get elected? I mean, we all believed in him. It’s like, ah, don’t at me. See, I’m down a rabbit trail. I promise I wouldn’t do that. I’m sorry, please. I’m having way too much fun tonight.

So, 18 and a half years, right? Times 365 days. So, if it’s 365 days in our calendar, but let’s go 360. Cause that’s that’s what ancient calendar. All right, so we’ve got 6,696 days where the moon comes up, but wait, the moon rises and sets. Okay. So, we all three of us, April and, and Jeremiah in LA, we go to the, we go to the site and we go, yep.

We’re gonna make this thing at 18 and eight. We’re gonna, we’re gonna figure out what the moon’s doing. We don’t know what the moon’s doing. The moon is rising and it’s setting. So, it comes up and it comes down. But, guess what? We go back the next night, it comes up in a different place, different and goes down in a different place.

So, now we put some stakes down, we put a center stake. That’s where that’s our viewpoint. And then we put the first stake up and then the sec, the second stake. So every single night, 6,696 stakes times two, 13,392 stakes in the ground. But you don’t know, what’s an, we don’t know what’s an 18 and a half year Luna cycle.

So we put the stake in. Rising and setting. And we, you know, after about 30 days, we’ve got a bunch of stakes and we’re, you know, recording in on deer hide. How’s that for you trying to figure out, you know, making little points where the, where the stakes are. So after 30 days, a four day rainstorm comes in and we can’t see the moon now, what do we do?

Moreover, we don’t know whether we’ve jumped in, in year five, year, 15 year two. We don’t know where we are. And then how do we crunch the data? How do we sit there and go, you know, I’m thinking that we’ve seen this stake here before and you go, how can you possibly tell there are 13,392 stakes on the ground.

So God just, just that. Not yet. It’s just like, and the archeologists just go, well, they did it. So they must of known no, that’s a straw man argument. Thank you. I’ll get serious here. I’m kind of goofing on the whole thing, cuz it drives me nuts. The bottom line is that’s a straw man argument. to say that they did it.

You don’t know who. native Americans did not know about the 18 and a half year lunar cycle. Moreover we know from the book in Enoch, it was handed to mankind from a fallen angel by the name of Elle. So we can believe in the supernatural explanation or we can believe the modern day archeologists. And some of these guys are really great.

They do great work, but don’t, don’t tell me. That this happened because you don’t know how this arrived. You don’t even know who built the octagon mound. You call them the Hopewell Hoppo was a flipping farmer where the artifacts were found 150 years ago. And so you name this entire culture after the farmer, you don’t even know what these people or these entities called themselves.

You have no idea. And you insist that they use digging sticks and clamshell hose and other hose. You have no clue how they can pack of the soil, where it came from. It came from a mile away. They use dog sleds. Oh, really? Let me get this straight. The ground is hardened over there for four to five months out of the year.

You can’t dig in it. It’s frozen probably from November, December, January, February, definitely four months. More than likely five, depending on the winner. So everything’s frozen. So now you’ve got a limited building thing. These are a hundred gatherers, so who’s gonna pay, who’s gonna feed the guys. While they’re out there digging this sink, we’re gonna make an octagon mound.

Why? I don’t know team said we’re gonna make it not golly. We’re gonna do it. I mean, then you get to the circle mound, one of the largest circles earthworks, and it’s got an interior moat. Well, our team, I hired a surveyor. The surveyor went out, Todd wills and, and he he’s in the film mathematical mysteries of the mound builders.

There it is mysterious mound builders. I’m a trail of bene name. There’s seven of them, seven films. In my series, you can download them by going to streaming, do streaming that LA Marzo dot, or if you want the hard copies, you can go to the website, LA So you look at the, the circle, Mel.

it’s about 1,250 feet in diameter and that’s the one I walked into and just went, oh my gosh, what am I looking at? It’s got an interior Mo that in its hayday was flooded with water. So the torch light, no trees. There’s the circle Mount alter the, the, the, uh, the moat. It’s not a moat, but the mote right. Is reflecting the stars and the Torchlight.

I mean, this is like mind boggling ceremonial. It’s gotta be off the flip and charts. We hired Todd Willis. Todd tell me is the mote level. Yeah. Hey, we measured the mote. It’s pretty much dead level within six inches to a foot. Okay. Well, a foot’s like. That’s not very big. And it’s the, you know, that’s things like thousands of years old.

So he said easily, that could just be slough going in it’s between six it’s basically level for all practical purposes it’s level. So now I go, Todd, how did they do that in the ancient world? Well, they must have brought the water in somehow and used water as a leveling device.

I mean, you know, guys, there is a hidden history. That’s been deliberately obfuscated from the peoples of the world. And then you go to, so say wa on

[00:19:46] Jeremiah: we’re going there. There it is. Next, next week. We’re going there.

[00:19:51] Marzulli: are you going next week? Yes.

[00:19:53] Jeremiah: Yeah. We fly to Peru on Tuesday next week with who?

[00:19:56] Marzulli: Just yourselves?

[00:19:57] Jeremiah: Just us and her daughter. Yes. Where,

[00:19:59] April: where are you going? We are going. We’re going to practice and then we’re gonna be seeing the NASCA lines. Of course. And we’ll be going to Cusco and Lima and Machu Pichu. And I, I always say it wrong. All UN Tombo and yeah. Okay. You, I wanna be able to get into the museum with the, the skulls, but I believe it’s closed

[00:20:22] Marzulli: right now.

Yeah, the, the, uh, senior Juan museum has been closed. Just go to the eco museum ICA and you’ll get to see B Chango skull. Okay. Hold on. So let me get to where the heck is. Socks say wa she’s

[00:20:40] Jeremiah: right next to me. No, just kidding.

[00:20:46] April: I thought that was crazy. Mama

[00:20:51] Marzulli: well, it’s in Tobo like he,

[00:20:54] Jeremiah: yeah, we’re going there too. Mm-hmm , we’ll go everywhere. It’s worth.

[00:20:57] Marzulli: It’s worth waiting for so. lake titty,

[00:21:00] April: Coca

[00:21:02] Marzulli: oh, titty Coka. That we’re

[00:21:03] April: hoping to see something above lake titty, Coka come, you know, maybe something come outta the water.

[00:21:10] Jeremiah: We don’t know . Yeah, but even there, you can tell the stones on the bottom are like, not from the ink of people.

Oh. Or the old oh yeah. And then as it goes up, you see the craftmanship go down.

[00:21:24] Marzulli: Yeah. It’s hysterical. I don’t know why I’m having trouble finding this. This is ridiculous. Well, there there’s the Chongo skull. Yes. And, and we, in, in episode six, the DNA, we’re the only team. Well, not the only team other people have copied it.

We show where the Farman Magnum is. Our, our team was able to, to mess with that. Hold on. I gotta, I really want to find this. I don’t know why I’m having trouble finding it.

[00:21:56] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s all right.

[00:21:58] Marzulli: Gotta be like right here. Yeah, here it is all. So when, when we’re at, you know, when, when you’re, when you’re there and, and you go to, so say wa mom, and you look at this, look at the people, look at the size of the stones.

And then when you’re there and you touch those stones, my friend, you are touching the fingerprints of the supernatural.

[00:22:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. Even look at the like way it shaped and all.

[00:22:30] Marzulli: And, and if you’re with an Inca guide, you’re you’re with a tour guide. Oh, the in ankle were master stone builders. Excuse me. You’re lying through your teeth.

The Inca had nothing to do with this and you’ll see it. You’ll see the ink ankle lop directly above it. And it’s hysterical because it has nothing to do with the stink in Inca. And I’ll show you what the Inca slot looks like. Hopefully let’s

[00:22:55] Jeremiah: back a little bit. Yeah. Cuz how are they able to like have the stones going

[00:23:01] Marzulli: 80,000, a hundred thousand times?

I mean, you know, quit lying, just quit master

[00:23:07] April: builders with builders who cannot even do that today.

[00:23:11] Marzulli: No. See the ink of slop next to the stones up on top. Yeah. That’s the ink of lop head size boulders, you know, mortar together. Quit lying. Yeah. I mean just quit, quit sitting there telling us that the Inca did this with copper chisels when we’ve already shown this with a piece of ANOC side stone.

So here’s my copper chisel. Let’s say right, this is on film. We’ve got it on film and we take the chopper chisel and we put it on the Endocyte and we go tin. We hit it one time. Chisel is. Stone, not even a indentation, quit lying, quit lying, quit, quit telling us that the Inca did this because it fits your goofy narrative.

You don’t know who built it. And I, I take great umbrage in the fact that you sit there and repeat the same BS to everybody trying to tell us that the Inca did this and the Inca had nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. Zippo. This is fallen angel technology, NEHI architecture, shame on you, people for deliberately obfuscating the truth, but that’s what you guys do.

And you do it over and over and over again.

[00:24:25] April: Mm-hmm . Now, can you tell our viewers who the Neal lium actually were?

[00:24:30] Marzulli: The Neal li are the progeny of phone angels and the women of earth cohabiting and creating this hybrid being. unless a person understands Genesis three 15, they don’t understand the rest of the biblical narrative because Jesus is there in the garden.

And he’s looking at the dragon. He’s looking at Adam and Eve and he utters this to the dragon. Your seed, your offspring will be at war at ity with the seed of the woman, the one coming from the woman, the proto andum. He will crush your head. Yo bruises heal. , it’s not tied in the churches for the most part.

People have no idea what it means it sets, and this is the deal. Well, you know, EPMS only mentioned in a couple of verses throughout the Bible. Why do you take such great amount of time and dedicated your entire life to it? Because Genesis three 15, if we knew that, then it unlocks the rest of the scripture and we see, oh wait, tower of babble.

Oh wait, Abraham. And the five Kings, oh, wait again, Sodom and Gamora. And then there’s the conquest of Canan. I mean, it’s just all throughout their seed, Daniel, their Sieble mingle with the seed of men, but they will not Cleve to them. Who is their seed? Who are they? Their seed will mingle. It’s not the seed of men.

Cause their seed will mingle with the seed of men. Genesis three 15 is the key to the entire Bible to the entire. It tells you that the antichrist. Will be the seed of the dragon. Literally he imitates the seed that that became the, became the Messiah. Because no matter how you say it, and you never hear this, it’s got jerked because people go, can’t talk about thought.

That’s just, oh my God, Jesus is a hybrid. He’s a hybrid. He’s fully God and fully man. Mary is somehow, somehow she gets genetic information. Somehow the holy spirit comes in overshadows her and that genetic information is passed into her ovum to her seed. And that becomes the Messiah. How does that work? I have no idea, but that’s what happened.

Cause he’s fully God and fully man. He is in essence, a hybrid a hub bread because he’s God and man that never happened before.

[00:27:05] April: I’ve never heard him called a hybrid. I’ve heard him called an extraterrestrial old

[00:27:10] Marzulli: well,

[00:27:10] April: he, no, well, cause he’s not of this,

[00:27:12] Marzulli: but he is well he’s of this earth because he was born in the stable, but he’s a hybrid entity because he’s not, he’s not he’s fully, man.

I get that. He’s fully gone. I get that. But the genetics, you know, part of it comes from, you know, the eternal and I have no idea how that works, but that’s, that’s who he is. And he is the God man. You sure Jesus Genesis three 15 is, is, is the key that unlocks the scripture and the antichrist will be the seat of the dragon.

That’s who he’ll be. He will be the offspring of the dragon himself. And that’s where all that power comes from. He may already be

[00:27:54] Jeremiah: here. So you believe that the fallen angels spread with the women of earth and um, created the giants or the Netline and then they’re responsible for all these mega structures around the world is what you’re saying, right?


[00:28:13] Marzulli: When, when you guys go to Peru next week and you sit there, if the Barus museum is open Inca, the ICA, the Inca, museum’s about an hour away, you should call to make sure it’s open when you go. Okay. Definitely. Cause this is their winner. So things are kind of shut down up there. Um, you’ll also see elongated skulls as a museum near the qu concha up at so a Mont, um, you can catch them there.

Um, but the eco museum has a great display. You’ll see the Chango skull, which is in our film. And you should watch the DNA film before you go. I would, you know, watch episode six and watch episode, um, uh, what is it? Um, hold. Episode six of, of my series, the DNA series. You need to watch that. And then episode six of the watcher series, the secret cosmic war, watch those.

I, I, you know, highly recommend it Watchers six and on trail six because, okay, you’ll get the whole DNA deal from number six. You can also watch my on trail number seven because we talk about some of these other sites. If you can, when you’re in Lima, three hours, north of that is corral. It’s the oldest city in the Americas.

Once again, 18, a half year lunar cycle Plaza, dead level. Oh, they have step pyramids. There there’s no preexisting culture. They’re kind of going, let’s make a pyramid, Bob, what? The heck’s a pyramid. I don’t know, but we’re gonna make one I mean, it just all just goes poof. There it is. And we see it over and over and over.

And when you’re in, when you’re in Orton Tobo you will see when you, when you go up to the, to the temple of the song, they have no idea where called something very cataclysmic happened. That’s why you need to watch this stuff. Cause we’ve already, you know, it’ll, it’s a great, great primer to get you to, you know, it’s a great springboard.

So when you’re there, you can discover things yourself, but you know, so say, well, mom, you sit there and look at it and go give me a break. Give me a break. There’s no way human look. Could you do it today with cranes and lasers and diamond saws, maybe 80,000 tons. Paul, we gone, let me just show you this. I didn’t let me, you know, since we’re here and you guys look at this, this is in Cusco.

This is the corner. Everybody goes, look, look at the curve. No two stones are alike, right? To make that. Are you kidding me? And to make it fit perfectly. No, no. Now we top, you gotta take it down all. Where’s the crane. Yeah. Stone number 82. We gotta take that

seriously. I mean, just show me if I were a billionaire, you know what I would do? I would create the LA Mazuli Al challenge. Oh yeah. and I would go get all the copper chisels and the best stone masons on the planet and go guys, we’re you don’t even have to quarry the stones. We’ll do that for you. How’s that sound?

And here they are just make a 20 foot wall for us that, that simulates no cranes. Okay. No beast of burden. And you guys can make your own pulleys or ropes, or if you gotta do, but just, just do 20 feet. Just, just show me how you make these perfectly circles with no mortar and how they stand up. Thousands of thousands of years, I believe in Tim Albarino believes thats Saman probably is pre flood, probably is pre flood.

Mm-hmm just saying

[00:32:15] Jeremiah: there’s a lot of sites around the world that I believe are pre flood as well.

[00:32:21] April: Now, why do you think personally, I I’ve read the cosmic, uh, chest match. Why do you think personally, do you, do you think that they came down, gave the information to men to be like God, to be above God, to, um, to people like us today to dissuade us from believing in God.

I know with the mounds and things like that, uh, All the giant skeletons have disappeared. Smithsonians hidden them, got rid of them, ruined them. Um, there’s people all the way around the world. Um, destroying ancient technology and things like that. And, and things of the Bible. So personally, what do you think is going on?


[00:33:10] Marzulli: I think that in all of these sites, they want to be worshiped. They want to be worshiped because they act like gods. They come down, they do this, they might heal people, fallen angels can do that. There’s power there. They can heal, they have knowledge. Fallen Ones have this, they have that. Can manipulate space, time matter and energy.

So they’re worshiped as gods and that’s what they want the Lord right. Allows it for a period of time. And then he acts. And that’s why we hear this over and over and over again in all these megalithic sites all over the world. Well, they just, I guess they just died out and they assimilated into the general population.

That’s, you know, conjecture on your part. You have no idea what happened to these people. What if they were completely destroyed Sodo Andora as a perfect example. None OFA mm-hmm is a perfect example. We don’t know, but we hear well, T two WCAN right in Mexico, we call ’em a T two WCAN, but we have no idea what happened to them or where they got the information to build that pyramid.

Well, they, they have to, and it’s always circular reasoning and it’s always a strong man argument. Well, they did it. So they had to have the information from somewhere. Well, that’s, you know, mm-hmm , you know, pitch can fly too. Right. So now what, you know, you guys just make up stuff, you just make it up, right.

You just make it up. It drive. It literally drives me nuts. And I’ve argued with archeologists. Well, what about this 28? You know, pound accent. That’s ceremonial LA. How do you know it’s ceremonial? Because, we don’t know what else it could possibly be used for. What if a nine footer is wielding it?

Well, there’s no such thing as nine footers, but what if there are that’s utilitarian for the nine footer? So it’s not ceremonial. What about those three foot Lance that we call the Neelum, Lance that weighs 28 pounds. You know, that’s made of bronze that found in Michigan native Americans did not know how to make bronze.

They didn’t. Right. So what’s it doing there? And chief Joseph comes on the record talking about the neem Lance and saying, this is why you guys need to buy this book. It’s all in here, right? I’m on, I’m on a trail. He’s on the trail.

[00:35:31] April: Oh, we have it. Yes. I have both books. I believe it’s the

[00:35:34] Marzulli: same. Yeah. I’m gonna show you in a second.

Where’s some information in this. I mean, I, it blows my mind. It really does. Like, yep. I’ve got both. There’s actually, there’s actually three books in here. Three

[00:35:46] April: books. Yeah. I didn’t, I must not have, here you

[00:35:47] Marzulli: go. Here’s the Neum Lance right there. And you put a nine footer on that thing. It’ll, it’ll go right through three people.

And that’s what chief Joseph said. Yeah. That, that originally, um, this Lance there’s, there’s a shot. What? It looks like mm-hmm and when we, when we tested it right, the first lab, oh, it’s just the, the, the, the, the person we were with said, oh, we’ll be able to tell you where the copper’s from. Maybe the age of it, blah, blah, blah.

So a month and a half later, two months later, I’m there with Bob Sheey. Bob is the guy that, that foul the Lance, eh, well, you know, not so fast now they got a PR person with the, with our, our point of contact and she can’t say anything to us. So she clears it with the PR person. We can’t film anything. What are you guys so afraid of?

well, when you think it’s just, oh, it’s just, you know, you could build this in today.

[00:36:44] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then you hear stories about, um, like David and Goliath and king ag and all those, the 28.

[00:36:51] Marzulli: And, but here’s the deal. So Christian Widener had a lab and we caught a piece of a Lance off and we gave him the piece of a Lance and he went over that thing and tested it.

And he found isotopes in that Lance, which are only from Turkey and the middle east and the tin comes from England. Hello.

[00:37:16] Jeremiah: But it’s

[00:37:16] Marzulli: in America. It’s my wheelhouse it’s ne well,

[00:37:19] April: then they say that, oh, it was the Landbridge. They came over from the Landbridge and ,

[00:37:25] Marzulli: I mean, they’re look, it’s, there’s a steel a that protopia talked about in Northern Africa and, and Mondo Gonzalez was the first person to tell me about this.

We are, they. Who fled from the face of Joshua, the robber, the son of none. We are, they who fled from the face, the IANS, the Venetians were here 4,000 year old site, America Stonehenge, mind, boggling mind boggling site in New Hampshire showing the connectivity. I mean, I’m not making this stuff up. That’s why we’re on the trail.

You know, that’s why, and number eight will be out of place artifacts. Cause I I’ve already filmed it and it’s time to let’s release the film. Let’s get it edited. You know, we’re working on every UFO film, that’ll be number three and the ongoing UFO series. So I mean, we’re, you know, we’re, we’re constantly, you know, the Lord has blessed me, blessed us and I’m sitting in the studio, I’m looking around and.

this place is firing in all eight cylinders tomorrow morning. I’ll meet with, uh, bill, not his real name as a follow up. Bill’s the guy that we took the implant out. Mm-hmm in, in Watchers, uh, seven and Watchers eight. So I’m following. Yeah. I

[00:38:47] Jeremiah: wanted to talk with you about the, um, whole abduction thing, cuz I know that’s a lot of your work

[00:38:53] Marzulli: too.

He’s coming up to the studio after I take him to breakfast. and we’re gonna do a follow up. Oh yeah.

[00:39:04] April: Oh, so, so back in the Bible times, you know, um, there was something interesting. I am, I’m a spirit filled Christian and. I’ve I’ve read a law of the Bible. I was always told that the Aroy and all that you know, was not true.

Not to believe it, you’re messing with bad spirits if you’re reading this stuff. But one thing, you know, churches believe pretrip or, uh, mid trip or, or tribulation, one thing that in your book, you said it was gonna be like the days of Noah. Well, we always thought, okay, well, it must be pretrip because in the days that, you know, Noah was taken out.

Right. But something that you had made a point of, and it really I’ve always believed that aliens were fallen angels, but I never knew where I got that belief. I just kind of believed it and people thought I was kind of crazy. Oh, sorry. but you, you, you made in your books that. You know, the fallen angels, they are pretending to be God in the days of Noah.

That means that they’re literally, these angels have come back and they’re doing the same thing that they’ve done back in the Bible times. Um, genetically, um, in these abductions, messing with our genetics and, and still doing, they might not actually have in sexual contact. They may be, but it’s, it’s like the days of Noah.

Once again, I completely con and, and that’s what they’re doing.

[00:40:46] Marzulli: And, and this is why, unless, and look, unless you understand Genesis three 15 and three chapters later, you get the days of Noah. Then, then when Jesus says we like the days of Noah and what does that mean? And that’s why it’s not taught because most pastors have no clue and they don’t teach it.

Well, that’s impossible. Angels can’t have sex. It says, well, be like the angels neither given in marriage. Yeah. But it doesn’t say that you can’t have sex. they saw the woman of earth that they were beautiful. They took wives, plural. Went into them in the biblical sense and they Sid the giants. Fallen angels did it.

Then they did it afterwards. And that’s what this book, counter move is all about. However, Neel and returned after the flood. And they’re doing it again in modernity, their seed will mingle with the seed of men, seal up these words, Daniel until the time of the men until the time of the end, men and women will run two.

And for over the face of the earth, knowledge will increase, but you go your way, you go your way, but seal up the book until the time of the end, their seed will mingle with the seed of men. They will not Cleve to them. We’re here. The, the essence of my work guys, and it’s like what happened in modernity?

What happened in antiquity is being repeated in modernity. Happened in antiquity is being repeated in modernity. In the distant past is happening again as I speak, right? And now the whole UFO thing. Real versioning and not going away. So we’re here. I mean, we’re, we’re in it up to our eyeballs,

[00:42:17] Jeremiah: right?

Yeah. I’ve been researching into UFO, abductions and abductions and reading a lot of works from like, you know, Dr. David Jacobs and other people. I can’t think off the top of my head, but, uh, the one thing that sticks out that really like bugs me is the whole like hybridization thing and the whole, like, uh, they’re very focused on reproductive type of stuff.

And a lot of women claim to see like these sickly babies and, yeah. Um, do you think that they’re like trying to create life so to speak or like do what God

[00:42:59] Marzulli: does or no, but they’re just making hybrids just they’re making modern day. Nephem. it’s exactly like the days of Noah except their seed is mingling with the seed of men.

There’s no, not a lot of procreation they’re taking over from the woman, sperm from the men. They’re taking the blood from the cows. They’re, they’re doing like the they’ll take the fetus, um, and the, and the third month or the second month, but in the first trimester and the woman thinks she’s just had a miscarriage.

Well, she hasn’t. And I, we, we have one woman that came on the record. It’s it is this, or one of the most intense, um, the most intense, uh, interviews I’ve ever done. Um, she was, I pregnant in three times and they, they took three of the children. 20 years later. She’s with her second husband, all that stopped born again, Christian, and she wakes up one night, the husband switched off.

He doesn’t wake up and she looks over, there are three men standing in her room. She knows instantly these are my children. and they’re looking at her bigger eyes with absolute hate, absolute hate it’s visceral. So look, I might make this stuff up. Um, you know, it’s my wheelhouse, I’ve been doing it forever, you know, in some ways it’s like, golly Lord, you know, but it’s so dark.

But our mission statement is to expose the deception of the prince of the power of the air and to Herald the return of the king. Jesus. So, you know, we’ve talked about the works of the enemy, but this is why he’s coming back soon has to, you can’t fix this anymore. And now the whole UFO thing is about to be revealed.

And as a saying, I coined a number of years ago, we go up, they come down, we go up, they show up, we go up, they come down and that’s, that may be exactly what we see. Conjecture, but that’s one of my right Yogi Barris sayings, you know, it’s just like, God gives ’em to me. And we go up. I remember when I said it to Gary streaming, he goes, you have to copyright that LA that’s incredible.

bill Salis heard it the other day. And he went, oh my gosh, LA that’s. That’s amazing. I’m just trying I’m not smart guys. You know, it’s not me. It’s right there. You know, say this poof. Wow. That’s really good Lord. Thanks a lot. look the, I remember when I was writing politics, prophecy with supernatural report, he gave me this, this saying the current political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases millennia ago.

That’s a mouthful. When he gave me that I just went, that’s profound. That sums up mm-hmm our entire history in one sentence. That’s unbelievable. Say it again. The present political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases millennia ago, let’s walk through it.

So the Jews are in Israel. They believe in supernatural events that happened to who Moses Moche Moses, mu Moses that’s color their body politic. Now we can tap dance around that all day long and say, well, it really doesn’t color their body political. I mean, there’s a lot of secular Jews, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Excuse me. Mm-hmm excuse me. It colors the body politic all day long. Let’s go to Iran. They believe in a different set of supernatural events, allegedly Mohamed receiving the Quran, right? That’s colored the body PO well, not really. Oh yes. It has look at the MOS. It’s a theocracy over there. They believe in, you know, that, that the America’s the great Satan and the Jews are the little Satan.

We have to kill all the Jews for the Yeman money to come back has so supernatural events that happened thousands of years ago have in fact, colored the body politic in this country. Unlike Barack Obama, insisting that America is no longer a Christian nation. I’m glad you think so, you know, so, you know, whatever, I won’t go there, but, but the bottom line is, did you dare?

Christian worldview has colored the body politic all day long supernatural events, right. Are responsible for the body politic in Iran, in Israel, in, in America. I mean, wake up the present political landscape is in direct correlation to supernatural events that happened in some cases, millennia go. And I didn’t write that.

He did that. That is one of the most profound statements I’ve ever heard. and he gave it to me go figure. Right. See, I’m not, you know, I’m like, well, I could say, well, you know, I’m really brilliant. That was just a, a genius statement. I had nothing to do with it. The holy spirit said, Hey, look at this point.

And I’m like going, oh my gosh. And, and typing as fast , you know, I’m not that smart guys. I’m not, but he is. And so he chooses, you know, this broken vessel, you know, to give that, give that statement. That is, that is one of the most profound statements I have ever heard in my life. And again, I’m not, I’m not taking any credit for that at all.

That’s from

[00:48:44] April: me. Yeah. I’ve, I’ve noticed in your books. You’re like, I am not a prophet. ,

[00:48:50] Marzulli: I’m not, you know, some people, I just love it in the body of Christ. It’s like, you know, prophet. It’s like good for you. Call yourself, call yourself whatever you wanna call yourself. I’m just as sinner, save by grace.

You know, no titles. I just,

when we get raptured and taken out, I’m on my white horse. I’m part of the white horse police force. I can’t wait for that. Me

[00:49:19] April: too.

[00:49:20] Marzulli: I already got one foot over there. You know, I do. OK. Know, maybe we’re going up soon cuz you can’t fix this anymore. You just can. I mean, the left is so rabid. We have to kill all the babies.

Have to kill them. Somehow a woman’s right. It’s like, really? That’s what you’re defending here. You know, maybe you should think about that before you have sex. I mean, we’re living in a world where you don’t have to ever get pregnant. I mean, you can take all sorts of stuff and, and never have to worry about it.

So why are you discussing this crap? You know, the onus is on both of you, you know, before you get together and do this. If you get pregnant now you got a third person involved here. So maybe you do, maybe you do a preemptive strike, you know, maybe you, well,

[00:50:04] April: now we’re now we’re women. Again, I shouldn’t get on this subject, but now we’re women again, when it comes to abortion.

Oh, I know. I love it before we were just, we were just menstruating with our menstruating person. Yeah. But

[00:50:15] Marzulli: you know, the new Kani up there in the Supreme court, babe, I’m not, I’m not a biologist. I’m, I’m not a biologist really. And you’re in the Supreme court and, and I’m gonna entrust my, you know, drawers, prudence to you.

Are you outta your mind? You can’t tell us what a woman is. You know, I’ve been reading, I’ve just read this book, um, about endometriosis and you know, I I’m, I’m, I’m a father of two kids. I’ve been married 37 years. I mean, I, I know that there’s a difference. No idea how much of a difference there really is.

It’s like when you get into a woman, Reproductive organs and the fallopian tubes and the womb and how all this works and the hormonal activity. And, and I mean, it’s just like, and, and the whole womb in itself, it’s like, excuse me, you know, you can lock body parts off and do all this stuff. You will never create a womb in a man.

It ain’t gonna happen. You know, sorry, men don’t get pregnant. Women do. And it’s just like, when I, after I read this, I mean, it was almost like too much information. It was just like, I had no idea the complexity of a woman’s body. And I remember when I married my wife, 37 years ago, I’m going, what are you doing?

I’m journaling. What are you journaling? I’m keeping a track of my monthly flow.

Oh book like 12 years old till she stopped her monthly flow. It’s like, I think we have it enshrined and just,

it’s like, it’s like, it’s a completely different universe than I’m in. Cause I don’t have a monthly flow. Men don’t have monthly flows last time I checked. So I’m not journaling. It’s like, I’m feeling my, I think I’m two or three days away. No, we don’t do that. Well, you know, men have hormonal cycles too.

Yeah. But we don’t, we don’t bleed like women do so, you know, it’s like, let’s stop pretending somebody wake up the emperor’s got new clothes on. You know, if, if you wanna go down that road, that’s your business. I’m gonna love you because we’re all broken here. And we do stupid things, but maybe think twice about it and maybe read some other people that have actually detransition and regretted the surgery.

Once you start lopping off body parts, you can’t put them back in again. Right. That’s what right. And, you know, giving hormones to five year olds and purty blockers, wait a minute. We we’ve gone crazy here. When you’re 18, see, and they do all this because when you give a kid at eight or nine puberty blockers, and they never go into puberty.

And so it’s easier to transition, but how do you know with an eight year old knows and, and, and we’ve, we’ve, I’ve done the science on this and red it that most people grow out of it. Most people grow out of it. Most people regret transitioning. You can’t say that or you’re, you know, your you’re anti whatever.

No, we’re not anti read the literature, you know, why can’t the other side who our de we had, I had this guy in my show, we, we took down our whole PPPs report because we just got tired of poking the bear. It’s not worth it, but he lived as a woman, I think for 12 years. And then he detransition, and he’s the 21st century unit.

I mean, that’s what he is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s what he is and he regrets it and he still looks very feminine for the most part, because he had facial feminization and you can’t really change that stuff, you know, and all your, you know, they come in with electrolysis and they take all your facial hair.

And I mean, it’s just like, and, and in my, in my opinion, there’s a spirit behind all this. There’s a spirit of BFA met BFA met is half man, half woman, half animal, half man. That’s exactly where we are. It’s exactly where we are. The spirit of BFA met and this spirit, when people open up to it, it will just lead you down the path because you don’t wake up one morning and go, I wanna be a woman.

No, you’re you’re or I wanna be a man. I’m gonna cut my breast off. I’m gonna remove my testicles, you know, and invert my penis, whatever you don’t just wake up in the morning and do that. You don’t you’re led step by step by step, by step, by step by step. And that’s from the ever side mm-hmm and that’s why it’s a spiritual problem.

And, these people, when, when I talked to this man who detransition, he told me that the Lord did a deliverance ministry on him. His, his sister anointed him with oil and prayed over him on the way home seven demons came out one at a time and it was gut wrenching, literal. . I mean, he was like heaving in the car, gut wrenching.

Yeah. Seven of them came out and you know, people on the other side. Oh, that’s just, that’s just superstition. They blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Really. You ever seen a demon manifest? Have you ever seen a demon come out of somebody? Ever in my dreams? right. So, anyway, let’s move on. We kind of banded, we got six minutes left.

[00:55:33] April: here. what other questions you’ve got?

[00:55:35] Jeremiah: oh, got sidetrack there. Huh? yeah, we just, um, yeah, we just wanted talk to about that. And then, one thing I wanted to hear, um, was the whole implant thing. And, uh, Roger Leer, you were working with. Uh, can you like, give us just a little bit of that? I know we don’t have a ton of time.

[00:56:00] Marzulli: well, we, we, we took out the implant.

We’re the only Christian team that’s ever done. So, um, and again, I’ll be speaking with bill tomorrow. Uh, we removed the implant. Uh, we did, uh, before we did the pre-op we did, um, um, let me, uh, x-ray Gause meter, um, stud finder, cat scan, and then the ultrasound. And we knew where it was. We knew it was there and the day of the operation, uh, we’re there.

And, uh, we can’t find the thing and pretend this is the wand and pretend my arm is Dr. Tric on is going over this little eight inch piece of flesh where we knew the implant was. He can’t find the implant, cannot find it. After an hour and 20 minutes, he can’t find it. So, Richard Shaw and I are, there were the only Christians in the room.

Dr. Roger, there never came across the aisle, but this, this changed his life. This, this experience changed his life. So I’m in the room. Tric Chian is there, Dr. Roger Le is there, Rick Shaw, myself, another two guys filming on top of that. You’ve got a few nurses. There’re about eight people in the room.

There’s 15 people watching it in another room. On a closed circuit, TV, big, huge monitor, HTM I, and all that kind of stuff. And the holy spirit tapped me on the shoulder and says, you need to take authority over this right now. I look at Rick and I go, I just kind of go, okay, I’m gonna pray, guys. This might sound strange, but I’m gonna pray and I’m gonna do it.

Now. Everybody kind of looks at me like. Like that. So, I go father. If there are forces, which are cloaking this device, I pray that you would break their power and do it. The room goes dead. it’s like this Patricia goes, and we are looking at the monitor, and the implant just goes like this from nowhere.

Yeah. Aware. Yeah, just like that. Mm-hmm and everybody goes what’s that? And Dr. Patricia goes, that’s the implant. He takes the, the wand and he kind of taps it and looks at it, puts it back on the leg. There’s the implant tap. He does this like a half a dozen times. He can’t figure out why we’re seeing the implant.

All of a sudden, I’m laughing. I look at Rick he’s laughing. Cause the spirit of living, God just showed up. We took the implant out. It was on film it’s in our Watchers series. We’re gonna recapitulate that, uh, cuz I’m interviewing bill tomorrow. And we’ll talk about that now I’ll, I’ll redo it in one of our UFO update things.

The bottom line is this, that was on a Saturday. We took the implant out Monday. We’re at seal lab with Dr. Roger Le I go, rod, can I talk to you? Privately goes. Sure, sure. LA and he gets up and we go out in the hallway and I go, Roger, I hope you understand what happened in that operating room. And he looked at me, his eyes got really big and he said, LA, I now believe there’s a supernatural dynamic to this implant stuff.

And I’m gonna tell Wheatley streamer about it. Roger died, massive heart attack in the doctor’s office.

[00:59:21] April: Mm. So, with alien abductions, I’ve also heard that there are some people that were going to be abducted and they, they. Pled the blood of Jesus they’ve called out.

And, then they

[00:59:37] Marzulli: weren’t abducted it’s it stops many of the abductions. Um, and this is where it kind of goes off the rails. There are people that claim to be Christians, that were taken mm-hmm. Many people that I’ve talked to who were born again, spirit filled walking. Where they were supposed to be walking where they’re supposed

[00:59:57] April: to.


[00:59:59] Marzulli: It just stops it like different.

[01:00:03] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve I’ve said that I believe aliens are interdimensional and yeah, they are that, and I don’t think that they are benevolent. Um, it just, the stuff that they do and everything just doesn’t make me believe that they’re up to good. Um, and yeah, just, um, hearing tales like that, where people call out and puts it in this supernatural realm and not.

There’re are space brothers.

[01:00:35] Marzulli: no, they’re not our space brothers. And so, I’ll tell you that before I go. If you go to my YouTube channel folks, LA Marzuk and you open up the text box right below any of our videos on YouTube, you will see if you scroll down a little bit, you UFO free film part one, and part two, watch those.

Okay. Cause we’re working on part 3, 4, 5, and six. And then, They will not be free, but part one and part two are, are there. If you wanna buy the hard copies, you gotta go to our website, LA If you go to YouTube, you can just download it for free. I’ve done my part. I’ve done two films for free, and that takes a lot of effort and a lot of time to do that.

but, I gotta go. So, Thanks so much for having me on guys.

[01:01:21] April: Thank you, so much.

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Welcome back my fellow terrestrials and thank you for tuning in today. We’re gonna have an awesome interview with Earl gray, Earl gray Anderson. He is the head of Southern California moan. And, uh, he’s gonna talk to us today about obviously UFOs, aliens, abductions. It was a very good conversation. So I think you’re really gonna enjoy it.

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Welcome to the what if the wrong podcast, I’m your host, Jeremiah. And I’m joined today by Earl gray Anderson and he is the head of the Southern California muan, which is a mutual UFO network. And we’re gonna be talking today about. UFOs aliens, abductions, the whole phenomenon figured there’s no better person to get on than one of the head of moan.

And I’m sure he has a lot of stuff to present to us. And his knowledge is pretty vast and definitely something we can gain knowledge from. So let me introduce him now. Hello, Earl

[00:02:30] Earl Grey: gray. Hi there, Jeremiah. How are you doing? I’m good. How. I’m doing great. It’s a little hot out here in Southern California today.

Oh, reached 104 yesterday. I not, I haven’t ventured outside yet. I’m a little scared. My, my cats and I are just hudling with the air conditioner.

[00:02:50] Jeremiah: yeah. It’s like someone turn on the oven out there. Oh,

[00:02:53] Earl Grey: I know. It’s crazy. You could probably, you know, bake a pizza or something. on the sidewalk. So, uh, so you guys, you, you wanna talk UFOs, huh?

oh yeah. Yeah. Because I like to do that. I, you know, it’s my obsession

[00:03:08] Jeremiah: yeah. My I’m starting to become obsessed with it myself. Uh, the whole alien abduction phenomena, especially. And I had said to you before that, you know, I just read Dr. Jacob’s book and I read Jim Mar’s alien agenda and I’ve read some LA Marzuk stuff and just the whole thing.

Really fascinates me. And it’s like, I’ve learned so much, but yet I know basically nothing and that seems to be the case is like, you kind of get pieces here and there and you kind of gotta piece ’em together and then come up with your own, uh, conclusion of what you think is going on. So I’ll ask you first, what do you think is going on with the whole like UFOs, alien abduction?

Like I know there’s different camps out there. Like some people say they’re interdimensional, some say they’re from outer space. Some say a combination of some and then a bunch of other theories out there. So what is your personal, uh, view on the whole phenomenon?

[00:04:19] Earl Grey: I, I think they’ve always been here. I’m, I’m one of those guys.

I, I think that we’re perhaps even their project, uh, that they’ve had their hand in, in, in human evolution. And that it goes back to time memorable, um, as far as where they come from. I, I think that, uh, it’s both dimensional and, uh, inter stellar. Uh, also, I, I, I think that, you know, we do live in a multiverse there and the other dimensions, uh, may mirror this one very closely.

So in other dimensions, uh, things are close to what they are here, but the further you go out, it, it gets a little stranger and more different, uh, you know, as, as you go out dimensionally. So, uh, they, they may be coming from, you know, alpha Tari, or even from a earth in another dimension. It would be as easy as walking through a door.

You know, I think that they’ve mastered portal technology, um, that they’re thousands of years ahead of us. Uh, there’s, there’s a, a scientist, uh, rich Hoffman that has, has a, uh, investigatory group. Uh, he’s not with Mohan anymore, but, uh, I, I was speaking with one of his scientists, very, very intelligent, uh, you know, guy with, with, you know, quite a few degrees on the wall and PhD and all that.

And he was saying that he believes that, uh, from what they have seen and, and, and how that, what they used for propulsion. I mean, they, they did a deep, deep study on the tic TAC, uh, case that happened out here, uh, near Catalina island with an USS Nimitz in the Princeton, uh, Kevin Day. Who was you? Part of all, that was the strike force commander on the Princeton.

Uh, he’s the guy that first saw thetic TAC type UFOs that was on the radar, you know, and they were seeing these things coming down from, uh, low earth orbit down to sea level and then shooting back up again. Ooh, we have a loud airplane out there. if it’s the men in black, maybe. Yeah. I’m saying too much.

Alrighty. I barely opened my mouth but um, he was telling me that, that what they’ve seen, uh, as far as propulsion and what they can do that they’re like 5,000 years ahead of us at least. Um, and, and that doesn’t surprise me. I mean, the tic TAC itself was traveling at mock 18, 18 times. The speed of sound.

Uh, it didn’t make a single Sonic boom. It should have made 18 of them. It should have sounded like a, the world’s biggest thunderstorm. Uh, it was making 190 degree turns and, uh, I’m guessing it wasn’t killing the, the pilots that were inside. Uh, as far as it being unmanned, I don’t know why you would make, uh, something that was 40 feet long, that, that didn’t have a pilot.

That was a drone. There would be easier ways to do that. I, I think that they were, that thetic TAC was piloted certainly under intelligent control. And, uh, that, you know, Rich’s guys, they, they, they, and, and Kevin Day as well, he had a team out at seal beach. They recently made that the movie, uh, tear in the sky, I think it’s called, uh, and they, they had all manner of monitors and scientific equipment, uh, at this beach house where he had gathered this group of scientists to study this phenomenon.

And whenever they would have a head UAP, they would come out of the ocean, you know, and it, they were actually getting Gama rays from the object. Uh, there’s only two things that can produce gamma rays, a black hole, or a neutron. and their belief is, is that for propulsion, our visitors are using a mini black hole.

They use a thing called quantum metrics. Uh, and, and what happens is they carry this black hole with them and it creates, uh, a gravity, well, a dip in, in gravity and, and the ship just kind of falls into that. Constantly, never falls in it’s a mini black hole, right. But just the attraction of the craft to the black hole is where they get that speed.

And apparently they carry their own physics with themselves because I mean, you can’t make 190 degree turn like that and survive, you know, you’re, you’re gonna be a little splash on the wall, uh, pardon in the gross, uh, imagery there, but that that’s, that’s, that’s what would happen, but, uh, that it was doing what, you know, what it was meant to do, what it was designed to do.

And, uh, there’s nothing that we have that could do that. Uh, MI Coco, the, the, the famous, popular science scientist recently came out and said that, you know, that don’t believe what they’re telling you. There’s nothing that Russia, China or America has that could possibly do this. It’s so advanced from anything we have, uh, it would be like showing an iPhone to a caveman, uh, the, you know, you, how do, how do you tame a black hole?

How, how do you carry a black hole with you? But that’s the only, I mean, it’s amazing. I mean, that’s what throws off gamma Ray. So apparently that’s what they’re using, uh, to, you know, propel these objects with .

[00:09:58] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely, definitely makes sense. Like the rate of speed that they can go and like do pinpoint turns that like none of our aircraft can do, like, there’s gotta be a way that they can.

Go around the physics of our planet and all, or as our reality as we know it. So yeah, there has to be a way they can, you know, like you said, carry a black hole around or bend space time or something, kind of like a Dr. Strange. And like ,

[00:10:32] Earl Grey: that’s, that’s a good, yeah. A good example. It is like a graphic novel.

It’s crazy. I. I think the biggest problem that, that, you know, your scientists in any field have have had with this phenomena is, is that it’s just so absurd. And it, it just like, you know, snubs its nose, you know, Isaac Newton and says, no, , uh, the, you know, we, we don’t follow those rules of physics. We have our own, I, I think that they, uh, it’s just the most interesting, amazing phenomena.

And, and, uh, you know, I, I, I began doing this. Uh, I, I became a Mo on field investigator about seven and a half years ago now. And it was one. It’s it’s the great adventure of my life, you know, I, I just, I love it. Uh, and it, but it’s so mysterious and, and, you know, you just have to have an open mind, but try not to let your brain fall out.

Right. You can’t, you know, but you gotta keep that open mind and, and still, you know, of course, I mean, in moan we use a scientific method. I mean, the moans creed is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity. And so we. Keep the sciences intact, but, uh, boy, boy, this is way beyond anything that we have.

And you know, it’s, it’s like the population of an ant hill looking up at a skyscraper, an airplane and trying to understand it. yeah. I can understand why our physicists and scientists are, are, are offended by, by this phenomenon. It’s it’s got to, you know, it’s absurd by design in a way it’s, uh, it’s crazy.

And I think it goes way back. I think that if you read the Bible or read the Greek myths, you know, read the history of Samaria and Babylon, uh, that, that they, uh, that we’ve had contact, uh, worldwide, you know, and it’s, it’s nothing new. What’s new. Now finally government officials are, are saying, yes, this is, this is something it’s not crazy people.

Um, this is a real phenomenon now. They don’t understand it.

[00:12:51] Jeremiah: now what’s your take on them releasing all this information recently. Do you think it’s leading up to something or do you think they just can’t hide it anymore or what do you, why? I don’t think they can hide

[00:13:03] Earl Grey: it. They can’t hide it anymore. I don’t think that they wanted to disclose, I don’t think they wanted to disclose, but there were just too many people that knew about it and the videos got out.

What are they gonna say and do. . Everybody that saw that video, that was a, you know, a Navy pilot knew exactly what it was and where that came from. So they had to answer questions, but they’re acting like they’re dumb. Like it’s some new thing they’re suddenly interested in, but we know, you know, through, through FOYA requests that we put in the freedom of information act, uh, they have to release a lot of this stuff and, and their interest in UFOs goes way back to the 1940s.

You know, it’s not nothing new . Yeah. But, but it is new for them to admit that it’s a real thing and that it they’re stumped by it. They, they don’t understand it. Now,

[00:14:00] Jeremiah: do you think, um, the government is communicating with aliens or whatever these beings are

[00:14:08] Earl Grey: that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. would it, would it surprise you?

[00:14:12] Jeremiah: No, not at all. Not that they are

[00:14:15] Earl Grey: I think so. I, I, I, I think that, uh, you know, people wonder why disclosure proper hasn’t happened. Right. I really don’t think that humanity, a lot of us are, are really ready for it. Just any new idea or anything is, you know, people get angry, they, you know, , they March on the white house or whatever, you know?

It just, uh, and, and imagine if they came out and they said, yeah, we’re being visited. We can’t protect you from them. They’ve been here since forever. Um, we, uh, There you go, have a nice day. Well, yeah, like people would be, you know, building bomb shelters and, you know, there would be a rush for tin, foil hats.

People would probably rush the banks afraid of, yeah. I mean, it could cause all kinds of problems and I don’t think the government wants to see that. And I don’t think our visitors wanna see upheaval here. So I think that they do what they’ve been doing and, and people will see a UFO or they’ll have a face to face anomalous encounter with beans.

Uh, and, uh, and that’s how they work. Uh, it, it’s almost like, uh, animal sanctuary that we would have. And, and what do you do? You know, you go and you’ll tranquilize the lion first and you go and you do medical tests, get blood and do all that stuff. Uh, make sure everything’s okay. Then you go, and if the lion could speak, you would probably say I’ve been abducted by anomalous, uh, humans.

It’s the same thing for us, you know? I will say that the, you know, the experience surf phenomena, abductions visitations, it is very, very, very real. The people that report having had these anomalous encounters are not just a bunch of Hicks or idiots. They’re, they’re PhDs, doctors, lawyers, nurses, and, and garbage collectors and window washers and, and working class heroes.

You know, uh, I, I was a nurse just recently retired. I’m, I’m glad because I wouldn’t have time to work 12 hour shifts and, and do everything that I’m, you know, doing right now. You know, we’re hands on at Mo on people will see a UFO. And just for your listenership out there, if you see a U F O uh, just go to, it’s M U F O.

and on the front page, it will say report a UFO or, you know, report, uh, an entity encounter. I’ll take you like 15, 20 minutes to fill out that little form and write a little narrative about what happened. Your spelling doesn’t have to be great, or you can be Ernest Hemingway, but it doesn’t matter. Um, that will go to, uh, the one we work regionally.

So I get all the, all the sightings in Southern California. I think we had 80 of them last month. And, uh, I see every one of those reports and I’ve got a team of field investigators that I assign each one, two, and they’ll do a deep dive and figure out if it was, uh, if it was an identified flying object.

And we got plenty of drone reports, we. You know, people that will see a Mylar balloon that’s, you know, flashing the silver side and it looks like it’s sending them messages and stuff, or, you know, the drones are, you know, one of the, you know, IFOS that are real popular now, but we’re, you know, we can go and we can figure out what it was.

And if we can’t figure out what it was, then you’ve got an unknown, a UFO and. That’s maybe five to 10% of the accounts that come in, a lot of people will see the planet Venus, or, you know, they’ll see the, the ISS space station. It looks like a little cross that’s going across, you know, across the CTIC. And, and we’re, we’re, it’s gotten to the point now.

I mean, I’ve personally closed 808 UFO, uh, cases myself. And, but a lot of ’em I can read like the first two sentences, you know, as, and, and I’ll know what it is, you know, we, we had like, uh, in San Diego we had, uh, anomalous lights that, that, uh, in the sky about three nights ago, And, uh, it turned out that it was the coast guard doing a, usually the Navy will let people know beforehand now because they know they don’t wanna scare everybody.

The coast guard, not so much. So the whole city of San Diego, they thought that they were being invaded by et, but it was actually the coast guard doing, uh, night training and they’ll use a they’ll shoot flares up with little tiny parachutes. You can’t see the parachute, but you do see the flare and it’ll be there looking like it’s in formation.

These certainly did. But I took a look at the video and I knew exactly what it was, was like, yeah, this, the military is doing something out there tonight. Now wasn’t there. And that’s a lot of what we do, you know, wasn’t

[00:19:27] Jeremiah: there a video, I don’t know what year or anything, but where they had those multiple lights and the government tried to play it off as they were just like flares, but

[00:19:39] Earl Grey: like a lot that would be the Phoenix lights.

Is that what it was? Yeah. Uh, back in 1997, and that that’s a different story. Um, with that one, there were thousands of people that saw full on spacecraft. Uh, one was about a mile across triangular shaped. Um, they had various shapes, various craft that were seen, uh, they were seen from, uh, Arizona out to, uh, Utah.

And, uh, after the event, the military sent up flares and tried to blame the whole thing on that. This is their way of not disclosing , but no, that was, that was a real thing. That was an anomalous, uh, that, that was a fleet of, uh, UFOs. Yeah. And didn’t the, uh, my, my friend, uh, Dr. Lynn Katai she’s, uh, she has the film, the Phoenix lights, and she was sort of one of the first people that saw that and, uh, yeah.

Is a very, very real thing. Yeah.

[00:20:39] Jeremiah: Didn’t the mayor or governor, whoever come out in like an aliens face suit to like mock it and then later yes. Recounted that and said, yeah, something happened.

[00:20:49] Earl Grey: That was governor Simonson and, and, uh, yeah, he came out with a guy in an alien suit and made a big, made a joke about it and it didn’t go over very well.

No, he, he lost the election, I believe, probably because of that. Um, but yes, he did come, uh, he later on said that he went to the top of a Mount and he had been hearing about this and he saw the mile long craft kind of flew right over him. And he just watched this thing with his jaw drop down to the ground and, uh, yeah, he’s, he’s he’s uh, he knows that we’re not alone.

yeah. It’ll have a huge impact on you when you see a UFO. You’ll know what it is. There’s no question in your mind. Um, and, and it changes a person’s.

[00:21:38] Jeremiah: yeah, for sure. And, um, where I’m at in Carolina, there’s the brown mountain lights, which probably aren’t a UFO, but it’s some weird phenomenon where . Um, but also,

[00:21:51] Earl Grey: yeah, I mean, there are atmospheric phenomena that will look like a UFO and that’s one of our jobs is trying to figure out and pick apart what people saw and then some people, I mean, I’m, I’m their buzzkill.

You, you don’t want to tell somebody that they were looking at a Mylar balloon and I, you know, I, I I’ve learned to you. I mean, you just have to be sweet to people and, and, and be kind and informative and let them know, Hey, you know, I would, I, this is what I do. I, if I had seen that, I would’ve thought that it was something too.

So, uh, keep looking up next time at, you know, maybe a Starship

[00:22:33] Jeremiah: yeah. There’s also, um, and it. Hugely talked about, but I’ve heard about UFOs coming out of like lakes and stuff like that. Um, yes.

[00:22:45] Earl Grey: I don’t know. There’s a connection with water. Yeah. So most of the impressive cases that I’ve been getting off the coast of California, um, I had, I have a case I, I closed, uh, about a year ago, uh, is a commercial pilot, his wife and brother-in-law, they were camping on east Catalina island.

And this guy is he, he flies across California along the coastline. That was his usual flight path. And so he’s very good at dead reckoning. And knowing how far away something is by the naked eye. Plus, he had binoculars with him, which was helpful. Cell phone was in the tent, unfortunately, but he watched this.

Huge sphere. I guess you could call it an orb, but I mean, it, it was, it was like the sphere that was maybe 200, 300 feet across come out of the water and he called his wife and his brother-in-law out. So there were three sets of eyes on this thing. He said it was about 10 miles off of the coast of Catalina island, uh, equidistant from the mainland.

So it was 10 miles away from the mainland. A golden sphere comes outta the water and it starts doing this pattern of like a crosswise pattern up and down, back and forth. He watched this for a while and then it shot back down into the water. Had binoculars on it. Said it was just bright, like plasma, like this little miniature sun, not quite that bright, but.

You know, it was just perfectly spherical. Uh, a couple seconds went by and the thing comes out of the water. Again, this time, it just HAES there hovering maybe 200 feet in the air, and then they watched this thing shoot out of the atmosphere. So that was off of Catalina island. And that was something’s underwater there.

I think so many reports are going out. Um, I really want to get a dive team together and take them out to the coordinates. This guy, thankfully, he actually had the coordinates. Uh, when I heard about it, I called up Kevin Day, who is the Strikeforce commander that, that reported thetic TAC at first. And Kevin knew the exact coordinates of where they saw thetic TAC.

And he said, oh my God. He said the pilot, what, what he saw, those are the exact same coordinates of thetic TAC. So that’s where we sent the jet. So I think there’s something underwater there off of east Catalina island.

[00:25:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. I wonder if they have like bases underneath these bodies of water, because I hear about them coming outta different lakes and, uh, stories of that kind of stuff and kind of makes you think that they might have something down there.

And they probably also know that we don’t search down there. mm-hmm so, yeah, it’s definitely a way to hide themselves.

[00:25:53] Earl Grey: well, the military, they get the, you know, in the boomers, uh, submarines, uh, I know a few people that, uh, they, they get anomalous hits. They call them fast walkers and, uh, it happens all the time and it’s something that’s moving faster than anything that we’ve created.

It’s like UFOs moving through the air. It’s almost like some kind of spacial Telon they use. For their craft, but they, they move and they move fast, you know, mock 18 under water for God’s sakes. And, uh, so that, I, I think that that’s a really good supposition that they probably do have a base that they use.

It’s a good place to hide something. That’s for sure. I mean, it can be underwater and underground, you know that, I mean, I know the military even looked into doing that. There there’s, you know, blueprints hypothetical blueprints, they came up with way back in the 1950s to show how you could do, uh, underground base under the ocean.

So I would guess that they probably have something like a facility down there, our visitors do. So

[00:27:02] Jeremiah: now for the UFOs themselves, I know you have different like shapes and sizes and stuff like that. Do you think, um, , they are different species of aliens. I don’t know what term to use, but like, cause you know, you hear about the Nordic and the, uh, draconian ones or uh, whatever.


[00:27:26] Earl Grey: there’s all manner of beings. I mean, we, we see a lot of the little gray guys, of course, you know, you’re kind of four foot tall with the big black eyes and uh, you see tall gray aliens that kind of look similar, but, uh, are, are more, you know, comparable to our height, like five and a half feet tall as usual.

You’ve got the more, uh, reptilian type, uh, ETS that are out there. Hear bad stories about them, but I hear good stories about, uh, about certain reptilians. So, they, you know, it’s just like humanity. I mean, we might look the same, but talking to people that are gonna have different beliefs and philosophies, and, and I think it’s the same thing with our visitors.

Um, and you know, you’ve got the tall whites, the Nordics, and there are other beans that look more like us, perhaps that’s intentional. I mean, if, if you want to go and study a planet, how better to do it than to look just like the inhabitants of that world. So I, I think that, that they’re here among us, you know, they’re, they’re, uh, certainly involved with, uh, I think they always have been, we’re interesting to them.

  1. So the big human soap opera , you know, yeah. Forget life gets boring, go to earth, you know, you’ll see revolutions and wars and crazy ni you know, rock concerts, and it runs the gamut. , you know, we may just be a great vacation site. I don’t know. Um, but there you

[00:29:04] Jeremiah: go. Yeah. So for the whole abduction side of it, like, what, what’s your take on the abduction side?

Like what do you think the purposes of it and why are most accounts pretty much the same as far as like, they’re really interested in our reproductive system and, um, about our human makeup and stuff like that. So what’s your take on it from what you’ve researched.

[00:29:36] Earl Grey: well, there was, uh, a period of time where people were having their DNA taken pretty regularly.

And that seemed to be the, the main motive of abductions and visitations. You you’d hear the same story over and over and over again. Um, that seems to have calmed down over and in, in recent years, the last five years, six years or so. Um, you don’t hear as much about DNA collection. Uh, there’s more like teachable moments and people get downloads of information that is supposed to be activated when needed.

Uh, if there’s some future, I guess, disaster or something, they wanna make sure that humanity is, is not destroyed by it. And, and that, you know, that there’s knowledge that’s here. That’s not just in a library or on, on your computer. I mean, if, if God forbid society were to collapse, uh, most of the information that we have now is digitally, you know, collected and, and that’s, you know, even the books I read anymore is I just read ’em on my Kindle, you know?

So I think that there’s some of that going on with abductions, a lot of teachable stuff. I have a cop here who, uh, Was abducted from his squad car. He was out doing his rounds. There was a bridge where, um, they would have a lot of, you know, homeless, people would drink and stuff and he would go, that was on his beat.

So he would go and check this area out. He parked his squad car there. And, uh, he was just, you know, he had his little computer system that they used to to write, you know, their reports. So he is doing that and suddenly there’s this bright light. He thought somebody had a flashlight shining at him. Uh, so he is looking, you know, you, you, you know, he had every reason to think, well, maybe I’m at risk.

So he’s looking out the window and, uh, the light kept getting closer and closer. And the, the man was, um, he said that the, and I’ve heard this before, you know, it’s like the dash board of his car. It was like Tesla, like a Tesla coil. This energy was, you know, spinning around on, on his dashboard. Uh, and the next thing he knows, he said that he had two hours of missing time.

Uh, and when he was cogent again, when he, he was back in his car, he said that he felt like a fish outta water at first. Like he hadn’t taken a breath in a while. Uh, but the man had a download of, of, uh, mathematics and it kept going on for a month. He would go to sleep at night. And he would see, this is just absurd, but I mean, the phenomenon crazy, you know, it just nuts.

He would see this little thin gray hand with four fingers, holding a little pointer with a Blackboard and was teaching him. He, he said that they were teaching him about zero point energy. Uh, he had a month of this and he thought it was so ironic because he was a D student in math. That was like the one thing he couldn’t get his head around after a month, it suddenly stopped.

Now, this guy, you have to realize he was honest. When they were looking for him, they, they were trying to contact him the other, the, the, the police station. And he wasn’t answering his, his phone for like two hours. Wasn’t answering the calls. He told them what happened to him. So he was like, leave it to you to get abducted.

You know, all of his, uh, friends, you know, that, that he worked with and colleagues, but he came to move on, hoping to get, uh, hypnotically regressed by somebody so that, because all that information had left him, he was told with his last meeting, with this gray thin, you know, de hand with the, the, the pointer, he said that, that this will come back to you when it is needed.

And. That was it. You know, he didn’t have any more abductions, no more alien contact. It’s like they wanted to give him this thing that would be activated some days, as far as I know, he was not able to get to the information even through hypnosis, uh, is deep there in his mind. And I’m, I’m guessing that, you know, if it’s needed in our future, that you’ll have the, you know, what that, which will solve every energy problem on earth.

They think that zero point energy is the way to go. It’s sheep clean and, uh, and very powerful, but we don’t know how to do it. Apparently our visitors do. And apparently there’s this police officer out there that has that locked in his brain. So that’s one of the reasons why, you know, things like that. We see a lot of stuff like that with abductions and visitations.

Um, you still have some people that, that have their DNA taken. Oftentimes it’ll just be by taking blood. Uh, your DNA is in your blood, uh, or, you know, the other ways that you’ve probably read about, you know, national Inquirer just loves alien probes and stuff like that, but people don’t usually get probed, but sometimes they would have semen or ova, uh, taken from no, that happened a lot, you know, from like the 1970s up until maybe six, seven years ago.

Uh, now you hear about that, but it’s, it’s much more rare. And my guess is perhaps we were stockpiling our DNA in case we destroyed ourselves. They could start us up again, uh, or maybe. You know, I, I sometimes wonder about the aliens that look like us. Um, maybe they, you know, maybe they’re gene tailored and, and, and purposefully by them.

Uh, I don’t know that they naturally, I mean, why would nature favor two arms, two legs and ahead, you know, I mean, the way an octopus’s body works is, is great, you know, , you have eight arms to, to, you know, do whatever you’re doing. Uh, so I, I sometimes wonder if, if it’s for our benefits, that we’re not afraid of them, that makes it easier for them to get around or certainly to blend in.

You know, if, if you see, you know, you saw an octopus, you know, walking down the street, you know, you, you’re not gonna be so apt to talk with them, but if it’s just some pretty girl behind the counter and, and your, your drug store or wherever, um, that’s a good way to find out about humans is to live among.

So that’s my guess with a DNA gathering. Yeah. It’s um, for whatever reason, it’s not real popular anymore, they don’t seem to be doing it so much. Yeah.

[00:36:27] Jeremiah: The whole thing just fascinates me, like in the, um, hybridization program where you hear a lot of, and I’ve actually interviewed two ladies who claim to have been abducted and, uh, been shown children or babies and, uh, had their stomachs tampered with, or, you know, examinations of their unborn child.

And it’s just all fascinating and kind of makes you wonder, like, what’s the end game here? Is it like, are, are we Destin for failure? Cause I think this is just my opinion. My take from my research is I feel like time is kind of cycl cyclical and that there’s been. Civilizations before are known time. And I think the great pyramid is from a previous civilization.

That’s just kind of been taken over by, you know, our recorded history. But, um, I, I don’t know. I think it kind of makes you like, on one hand kind of scared on the other hand, it’s kind of like, well, maybe they’re helping us out, but on the other hand it might be like, maybe they know we’re gonna wipe each other out or wipe ourselves out and they need to use these hybrids to like replace us when we’re gone.

I don’t know. It’s just something I

[00:37:49] Earl Grey: think about perhaps. I mean, that’s certainly a theory. You know, I, I wish I could give you a positive answer about that, but I do know that our visitors are concerned about the way that we treat each other, the way that we treat the planet. I must have talked with at least 200 experiencers at this point, just because that’s what I do at MoveOn.

You know, I’m a executive committee member of the, uh, experience or re resource team at, uh, was started by Kathleen Martin, who was the niece of Betty and Barney hill. If you’re familiar with that, uh, it was the earliest, uh, oh yeah. Abduction case that we know about. But, um, we, we are more of a support for these people because it’s confusing.

Uh, it pulls your baseline reality out from under your feet, you know, people are afraid. Um, and, uh, and it’s more common than you would think. I mean, I’m constantly talking with these people that have, you know, that are having, uh, that have had an abduction or a visitation or that where they continually have them.

And it’s generational. . I mean, I have one gentleman who, uh, I, I took his, uh, case on about seven, six years ago. It was about six years ago, head of Homeland security at a major airport, highly educated man, a black building karate and a pilot. You know, he, he used to fly out to my moan meetings cuz he lived up, you know, closer to, uh, the San Diego area.

Uh, but uh, he, he was, uh, being visited when he was seven years old and his parents thought he was having night terrors. Uh, then the parents started noticing weird lights and, and, and just strange stuff was going. And, uh, now they, they accept the fact that, that, you know, their son was, was having these entities coming in and they would bring machines in that would float over his bed and they would take, you know, blood and DNA and elsewhere.

It was as though they were monitoring his health and, and, and his wellbeing, you know, uh, the man’s now an adult and, and he is the head of Homeland security at a major airport. And, uh, he found out that his birth father who he, um, didn’t know he had been adopted as a child, but he was, uh, he had a reunion with his, uh, birth father’s brother.

His father is, is, is gone. Now. He passed away, uh, talking to his uncle. Told his uncle about his, his history and his uncle told him, he said, my God, he said, your father told me the same exact story that you’re telling me. Said the people didn’t know about aliens or abductions and things back then, um, your, your father went through that.

I think that it might have made him insane. Finally, you know, uh, he kind of became a drinker in, in his later years. And, but, uh, now he’s, he’s kind of, he’s concerned, but he’s not worried. His daughter is, is, uh, you know, about 12, 13 years old, I guess. And, and there’s started to be some signs that she’s being, uh, visited as well.

So it’s, we got three different generations there. For my friend, we call him Mandy because I can’t, you know, we, we have to keep him safe. His job could be at risk if he came out and was known to be, you know, an alien abductee. But he, uh, his, uh, He feels, he was afraid at first, but he had the same entities visit him for like 40 years.

He gave them names when he was a child, they didn’t tell ’em a name. So he gave them names. He still calls them that they answer to it telepathically. They, they communicate not with their mouths, but with the mind we see that, you know, from case to case too highly telepathic our visitors. Apparently we have the potential to do that as well, but we’ve just kind of disabled ourselves.

I think by we’ve learned to vocalize and sing and we get our emotions out that way. Apparently that’s a rarity in the universe. I’ve heard that we’re one of the few, uh, uh, advanced cultures that never developed telepathy as, as a way to communicate. Um, but, uh, he, he believes that his entities are benevolent.

Uh, he, they, they hadn’t visited him for about two years. And I remember getting a phone call from Andy and him saying, I’m really concerned. My, my aliens have left me what what’s happened, you know, are they done with me? Or, um, and then about a month later, I got another phone call from him. He said, nevermind.

They’re back. . Yeah. And he was relieved. Now I. You know, I get other cases where, you know, I had one man that just hated his entities so much that he just wanted to be able to throttle them. I mean, he kept having the same implant put into his foot over and over and over again, he was a old, an elderly German man.

Um, he had had this thing removed six different times surgically and they would just paralyze him again in middle of the night and put it back in. Uh, he hated his entities and he felt like it was this intrusion. And, uh, you know, so there’s that, you know, people react differently to it. Uh, it seems like people that are in the military or involved with the military or the Pentagon, uh, tend to get the more militant entities as well.

Uh, I, I think that’s purposeful. I think that they’re trying to tell us something and, and they’re, they, they have scary encounters. Yeah, I I’ve got a, a Marine that was, uh, abducted through his Barrack ceiling. Uh, you know, his bunk mate noticed he was gone for all this time, you know, and, and then he said, he sees him in the middle of the floor covered with all these black marks.

And, and, and, and he’s just crying this big Marine, you know, your Marines don’t cry, but there he is just a mess. And, and he had to get him into the shower and try to get him because, you know, the guy was gonna be on guard duty in a few hours. Um, and for him as a counter was horrifying. I mean, the entities told him they were gonna steal his soul.

Uh, they, they, they, you know, showed him what looked like a robot that was menacing. Uh, you know, they, they didn’t paralyze him entirely. They, they kind of let this guy run around purposefully so they could show him that they could subdue. Uh, I don’t wanna meet those guys, you know, but I think, you know, having had so many cases now, I, I noticed that, you know, warriors get treated differently.

If you’re military, it appears that, uh, uh, sometimes you’ll get, uh, you know, kind of a warning that I don’t think is so much for that person, but just for humanity in general, that, uh, we’re still acting like barbarians. We are still killing each other as advanced as we are. We’re still acting like genus Khan out there.

Uh, same old problem. So the only problem is now we can destroy the whole planet, not just ourselves. And, uh, so people hear a lot of the two things that I hear from people are three things. Three messages people are left with is. You know, nuclear weapons, you need to get rid of them. You guys are gonna destroy yourselves.

They’ve shown us that they disapprove of, you know, there’s a friend of mine, Robert SOAs, who is the commander of a, of a ICBM base in Montana. Were hovered over by a UFO and, and it shot a laser down into where they had the missiles in, in the control room. He watched every single missile go offline.

It’s like, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Every one of them just, yeah, we can do this. and, and you know, it was, it was like the minutes were going by, you know, you asked to call up, you know, the Pentagon and all this stuff. I mean, this was, you know, they, they took down our nukes. Then they go back online just like nobody’s business.

It’s like boo, boo, boo, boo. Yeah, we can turn them off and we can turn them back on again. You know, uh, the guy up at the guardhouse was freaking out, uh, you know, is like the radio back and forth, just, you know, because there’s a flying saucer overing over the, their, their ICBM base. Um, so that, that was a message for us.

It is to say, you know, you may think that you’re powerful and, and, but, but we’re actually in control of these and, and it’s bad and you’re gonna kill yourselves. Uh, the other two things that people hear are you need to elevate yourselves, elevate your vibration. We’ll hear that. It’s like, what does that mean?

You know, but a lot of it has to do with spirituality. It has to do with being aware. I mean, people can find a deeper self through meditation or, you know, spirituality, but that apparently is important for us as a species. And, um, and we get, uh, we get warned about ecological disaster. People will see just trash piled up and up and up going out of the, out, out of the atmosphere, you know, which I think is just, you know, it’s giving them a mental image of what we’re doing to this world.

And, and people are told that this is a very rare planet, the biodiversity and the beauty of it. You have this gem and you treat it like a trash pile. So tho those are the three things that people, I hear it over and over and over again, some of these people have researched since they’ve had their encounters and they know something about the phenomenon, but the lions share of people are just confused.

They, they don’t have anything to compare it to. And, uh, we look for certain markers from case to case, and those are the three messages people are left with. Yeah. I’m

[00:48:18] Jeremiah: glad that you mentioned the, uh, nuclear thing, cuz I was gonna ask you that as well, like. There seems to be a huge UFO presence around nuclear reactors and during war times and stuff like that.

And makes you think that they’re, you know, Medling with our trajectory, like maybe they’re trying to prevent us from going overboard or cuz you always

[00:48:47] Earl Grey: hear about destroying ourselves perhaps. I mean, we hear that from case to case that you guys are gonna destroy yourselves and you don’t know how rare intelligence is in the universe.

I think it’s, you know, maybe they’re watching their science project going awry, uh, but. You know, and, and I know you were talking about that you had been reading David Jacobs and a lot of these guys, and a lot of these guys feel like it’s an invasion. I’m more with, uh, Dr. John Mack who put out a book called, uh, abduction.

And he was, uh, head of, uh, psychology at, uh, Harvard. I believe it was Harvard, Harvard. Uh there was a lot of blow back for him when he decided that, you know, this was a real phenomena and he, he threw himself into this great study of it. And he was one of the, you know, early people that you know, was doing hypnotic regression and, and then talking to abductee that it was a real thing, but he believes that, uh, it it’s that our visitors are much like us, that there’s benevolence.

And there’s some that are less benevolent. um, and I’m kind of in that school. I, I think that, uh, I don’t think that they’re all our space brothers, but I don’t think they are enemies or, or something that we should fear. We know they’ve been here at least since 1947 when the Roswell crash happened. And that was a spaceship.

I mean, I know the Jesse Marcel’s family, they’re all very dear friends of mine and they grew up hearing these stories. And, and, uh, I know my friend, Denise, Marcel, her, her father handled the, the memory medal is what they call it. After the Roswell crash, it was lighter than foil. Lighter. Light is a feather, but the Tenile strength, I mean, they shot bullets at it and, uh, it, it retained its shape, a bullet couldn’t harm it.

Uh, and if you would crumple it up, it would crumple up like foil, but then it would go back to its original shape. So it kind of got the, they. We call it memory metal for lack of a better term, maybe. Uh, but, but her father held that in his hands when he was 10 years old, his, her grandfather was a first official out to the Roswell, uh, debris field.

After the crash, it was about a square mile across, it was fanned out. It was something hit with a great force. And, uh, the, the main material that they found was this weird stuff that looked like foil, but acted like nothing that we had.

[00:51:27] Jeremiah: Um, yeah, I, a hundred percent, a hundred percent believe that Roswell crash was a real crash.

And I believe, well, this is just me personally, but I believe that there were alien bodies found and possibly living alien entity. And I think that there was some type of deal struck with the go. For secrecy in re exchange for like technology advancements, but that’s just what I think happened.

[00:52:02] Earl Grey: yeah, I, I I’m similar.

I have similar thoughts about it. Uh, the day after Roswell is a pretty good book. Uh, what’s his name, uh, Corso, uh, was an official that, uh, and, and he, he wrote a book called the day after Roswell, and it talks about how they, they took these materials to different, uh, universities, different, uh, aerospace companies.

They acted like they had gotten at, it was some foreign acquisition that spies had gotten it from another country and then figure this out. And apparently, you know, there were some electronics that were in there like circuitry. There was supposed to be fiber optics that they found. One of the technologies that supposedly came from this is, uh, night vision cameras.

It’s a very interesting story. My mom was connected with, uh, my mom was connected with the Pentagon. Uh, she actually worked for the Howard Hughes as one of his secretaries. And Chad have security clearance because she, you know, she, back then you would, you would dictate they, they would, they would have their meetings.

And my mom was like taking this stenography from these meetings and they also sent my mom out to a deep, underground military base. That’s a whole other story, but I grew up with this strange arcane knowledge. You know, my mom did like a little disclosure number on me when I was five thinking that I would never remember.

You know, you were a baby girl, you know, years later when I would keep asking her questions, you know, and she would just. Put her, you know, she’d face Palm and just say, I can’t, I wasn’t supposed to ever tell you that. And your mom could go to prison. You can’t talk about this. You know, I , I had to take oaths, you know, but she told me that, uh, you know, similar stories about the technology that, uh, apparently under the desert, they were trying to figure out how these things worked.

And, and I think there were bodies too. And I think there was a living one, there were two crash sites. You know, there was one in Corona, New Mexico, which was about, uh, 7,000 miles away from, from, uh, uh, the Roswell crash site. Apparently this scene, it, when it hit, uh, the, the habitat module. Was left in Corona and that’s where they found the bodies is, is the way the story goes.

The rest of this thing shot back up into the sky, like a super bowl and came back down in Roswell. And that was just the light material that they found there. So, uh, somebody from, uh, probably Wright Patterson, air force base, cuz that’s where they take, uh, you know, they would take materials. That’s where they took a Japanese zero that they acquired during world war II, you know, to reverse engineer certain things and figure out stuff.

So they, according to my sources, they, they that’s where they’ve taken a lot of the alien materials. Of course, Robert Bigelow’s aerospace company in, uh, Las Vegas, Nevada, apparently he’s getting, uh, a lot of interesting material samples and stuff out there. I don’t know if they’ve figured out how many of it works, but, uh, they sure are trying.

Yeah, for real. But, you know, if they were, if, if they were invading us or if they were evil, if there was all evil intent, I mean, they’d been here since at least 1947 and, and here we are, you know, we’re still doing the same old stuff, you know, fighting our wars and you know, the human soap opera or the human zoo, whatever you wanna call it.

Uh, we’re still here. And, and, uh, you know, if it was an invading force, they they’re doing a lousy job of it. so I, I don’t think that’s the intention. Uh, I don’t think that they’re here to steal our souls. I don’t think they’re here to, but I, I do think they’re concerned for us. I think that, uh, if you’re in the military, they may play, they may mess with you a bit.

Just kind of put us in our place. I I’m I’m gathering, uh, And, uh, but I think that whoever is overseeing whatever operation that is going on here, because there are a multiplicity of races that are visiting us, whoever’s in charge there’s rules and they, they can’t do certain things, you know, not supposed to harm us, not supposed tos.

Certainly. Um, whether that happens sometimes probably, I mean, we have people that break the law. Right. You know, so I guess that threat is probably there, but I don’t think that’s the core of what’s happening. Uh, I think that they’re worried for us that they’ve been here a long time that we’re our, we are their pet project and you, you watch your pet project going awry.

You’re gonna try to get it back on path. And I think that’s a lot of what we see.

[00:57:05] Jeremiah: Yeah. I, yeah, it does make you kind of wonder, cuz like you said, if. Yeah, they really wanted to exterminate us. Um, they would’ve done so already, especially how much more advanced technology they were at that time. And even still, like, we still can’t fly planes.

Like there are UFOs and all that stuff, so yeah, it definitely, um,

[00:57:30] Earl Grey: does. I think they’re concerned for us. Uh, they they’re worried that we’re going to destroy ourselves and I, I I’m like you too. I think that there’s a cyclical, a cyclical thing that happens with, with, uh, civilization. I, I, I think that our history only goes back so far and there’s been other civilizations before us, perhaps he looked exactly like us.

Maybe not. I don’t know, but, uh, I, I don’t think they wanna see us go that way. We we’ve been here a long time. Uh, they’ve been working with us for a long time and, and we’re, uh, I think that, that, that we may even be related to them. I mean, if they’ve been here, as long as I think they have, they may have had a hand in human evolution and it wouldn’t surprise me if, uh, they had, you know, given us some interesting DNA.

there are certain blood types that they just do not understand that have a propensity for healing, like O negative. My wife is O negative. She just doesn’t get sick, you know? And she just from, you know, and I know a lot of people that have that, and I I’ve heard that there’s, uh, some kind of anomalous connection.

Uh, the RH, uh, types of blood are, are, uh, interesting. And then they can’t really track where these, you know, blood lines came from originally. It’s like they pop into existence. So, uh, yeah, they’re interested in us, but I don’t think there are. Yeah, I don’t think so. Anything, I don’t think there are space brothers though.

Not necessarily some we’re like their, uh, some probably don’t

[00:59:07] Jeremiah: like us. We’re like their, uh, aunt farm. They just like watch us or we’re like the Sims that video game, the Sims, yeah.

[00:59:16] Earl Grey: oh my God. The alien Sims. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. If your Sims, you know, program up and did what it wanted to do and flipped the bird, you know, that’s more like us or reality TV, I’m guessing we’re pretty frustrating.

Yeah. Their reality TV. I don’t think that’s far fetched. I mean, you know, we, we wanna be entertained and, uh, people, their science project is sometimes, you know, becomes their, their joy as well. So, you know, uh, I think that we’re a work in progress and they don’t want to see us destroy ourselves that that’s I think the main motive.

So I’ll ask

[00:59:57] Jeremiah: one last deep question, I guess. Uh, what about the whole theory that their time travelers? I

[01:00:07] Earl Grey: think we can travel. I’ve heard that they can travel back in time. I don’t know that they can travel forward, but, uh, I’ve been told that time is a shared hallucination that we live in that makes it convenient for us as humans to hold a, you know, have a, have a time clock and clock in and clock out and stuff.

But, uh, that it’s much more malleable, more fluid than we think it is. And, uh, I, I believe that they can go back in time. Yeah,

[01:00:39] Jeremiah: I think so. Or like some people say there, our future selves, like future humans.

[01:00:46] Earl Grey: Yeah. Us from the, as jock filets, uh, as jock, file’s old, uh, theory and, and. I think some of it’s probably that, I mean, I had, uh, I was friends with, uh, the bass guitar player from the band.

Yes. Chris quire, uh, long story, but I’m a musician as well. And, uh, I, I, he married a, a mutual friend of ours and so I sort of, he wound up becoming a friend of mine and he had a, a UFO encounter back in 1977. He was in the UK going to a gig. Uh, he had his bus driver pull over cuz he had to use nature’s bathroom.

So there he was standing there. Peeing on a rock and he feels like some somebody’s watching him, just that feeling of eyes behind your back, you know, and he looks up and there is this right out of a science fiction movie, this, this a flying sauce, or about 40 feet across, uh, silver, no windows in it. But, uh, a little string of light spinning around like a carnival ride.

He said that he called them. He said they were garish looking lights, like you’d see in a carnival. Uh, he watched this thing tilt to its side and then shoot off into the distance in the blink of an eye and, and into the vanishing point. And it made quite the impression on Chris and he would, he would wanna talk about.

ETS, you know, till late at night, but he was asking me, uh, where do you think they come from? And I said, well, there’s one, you know, idea that some of these are us from the future, their time machines and maybe they’re human historians going back. And maybe that’s what happened with you. I mean, John Lyn told the same story.

I, I talked to, uh, John Lennon at the time was, was broken up with Yoko. He, he was with his, uh, old secretary, uh, may Pang and I’ve talked with may and she saw it. She was there, it was in New York. John calls her into the room. He says, what am I seeing? And are you seeing it too? Uh, he thought he might be having an acid flashback or something.

She comes out there and she said, oh my God, it’s a flying sous thing was hating in front of their picture window. Uh, they watched it go between buildings when it left, but it had the little screen of lights on the bottom. And I wonder. Maybe there’s like some music historian in the future, uh, going, going back, you know, into the past.

Uh, I wonder if the same, uh, flying saucer has been, was seen by Beethoven and, and Mozart and those guys too. I’d be, I guess I should do a deep dive into some, you know, music history to find out. So yeah, there, there may be some that are coming from the future. That might be us. Chris liked it so much. He wrote a song called aliens and the chorus is aliens are only us from the future.

Uh, you can find that on, on, uh, the YouTubes as put in Chris Squire, dash aliens, and the song will come up. I think he was inspired by our conversation to write it too. He never told me that, but it’s pretty close.

[01:03:49] Jeremiah: uh, it’s pretty

[01:03:50] Earl Grey: obvious.

[01:03:51] Jeremiah: Pretty pretty

[01:03:52] Earl Grey: obvious. Yeah. Thank you, Jeremiah. Oh, just, I’m gonna have to look that up.

Tell everybody. Yeah, everybody, you know, if, if what I’ve been talking about out there in, in, in listenership, uh, if it’s meaningful to you, if you’ve seen a UFO or you’ve had an en encounter, do go in and do put in, uh, a siding report, if you’ve seen entities, uh, you can put in a, the, we have a, a questionnaire, the E R T the exp the experience or resource team, uh, it’ll just say, uh, you know, experience or questionnaire.

You can fill that out. Somebody will get ahold of you. We’ll talk with you about your siding. And, uh, believe me, we, we have some amazing cases, so you’re not alone out there. That’s what we do. So yeah.

[01:04:43] Jeremiah: If, um, anyone wants to, uh, look at you or your works, or, um, get in contact with you, uh, how would they go about doing so.

[01:04:56] Earl Grey: Well, I’m on Facebook. I’m just Earl gray, but everybody can read my page. And I, I post a lot about what I’m doing. If I’m, you know, working on a, you know, documentary or radio show or a podcast like, like this one, uh, I’ll usually put it up there so people will know about it. Uh, if you have a burning desire to get ahold of me, um, I do have a Gmail account.

It’s Earl gray Anderson, uh, gray with a E G R E Y, uh, Anderson with an O Anderson. Son of Ander. Uh, so Earl gray Anderson, That’s that’s me. And, and, uh, I’ll get that. Um, other than that, uh, go to Uh, if you go to the experience or resource team page, I’m in there, and I’m also speaking at the Denver symposium in two weeks.

So if you’re in the Denver area, uh, do come and check us out. And what

[01:05:51] Jeremiah: does that all, uh, entail for anyone who doesn’t know?

[01:05:58] Earl Grey: There will be many speakers, very well known speakers. Uh, Kathleen Martin, that I was speaking of earlier, who is Betty and Barney Hill’s niece will be speaking. Uh, Peter Robbins, who, uh, was bud Hopkins, assistant.

Bud Hopkins was the guy that spearheaded experience or research. And, uh, Peter was there for all that for every hypnotic regression and, uh, he’s he’s written books and, uh, and, uh, amazing guy he’ll be speaking. Uh, and what I’m doing is, as I have on the Saturday and Sunday, I’m, I’m running an experience or workshop.

I’ll tell my own story because actually I am an experiencer. I’ve had a face to face and, and it’s a very real thing. Um, and, and I’ll be talking about that. I’ll be talking about some of our more amazing, uh, experience or cases where people have had, you know, have been abducted or con you know, visited.

And, uh, and then the floor will be opened up for people to share their own, uh, their own experiences. Uh, the press will not be invited. Uh, photos and stuff will not be allowed in the workshop because we, we, you know, respect people’s anonymity. And, it could be scary for somebody coming forward. Saying that they’ve met with aliens, but, uh, it it’s more common than you would think.

  1. I, I talk to so many people that have gone through this and they come from all walks of life. And, um,

[01:07:32] Jeremiah: if you’re not in the Denver area, is it gonna be available like after the fact, like, do you guys,

[01:07:39] Earl Grey: uh, I do know that they’ll have it available to stream through Mo on TV. I think that that’s, uh, I think it’s like 70 bucks a year or something. But that’s a vast library of, of just from all the symposiums, every speaker, uh, films and, and, and television shows.

And it’s, it’s all on there and I, I actually pay for it and it’s worth the subscription. I think. So, uh, the symposium, everything will be, uh, collected, filmed. And will be collected and, and will be watchable to the general public if you, uh, if you get a Mo on TV

[01:08:16] Jeremiah: subscription. All right. Sounds good. Well, thank you for coming on and speaking with us.

And, uh, I definitely learned some things. Also glued to your stories, cuz I love hearing about all that stuff and uh, every little bit of knowledge I can get. I like to, uh, keep it in my little memory bank.

[01:08:39] Earl Grey: me too. It’s addicting. Isn’t it? Yeah. It’s the most interesting thing on planet earth and it’s happening. And, it’s the act of phenomena it’s happening right now.

And it’s on in the newspapers, it’s on the news. They don’t laugh at it anymore. They don’t play the X files theme anymore. it’s being taken very seriously. You know? I mean the military has come forward and said, yes. It is real and they’re not ours and they’re not Russia’s or China’s. So, uh, that says a lot about, you know, it’s very different the times that we live in, it’s uh, kind of a blessing.

It’s amazing. So. Now is the time to check it out. Hopefully

[01:09:19] Jeremiah: that will let more people come forward that have had experiences and not be afraid of being laughed at or scoffed at it. Just opens up the door. Yes.

[01:09:31] Earl Grey: Yes it does. Yes, it

[01:09:34] Jeremiah: does. Well, thank you for coming on.

[01:09:38] Earl Grey: It’s my pleasure, Jeremiah. I’ll be back sometime if you want.

I, I enjoyed, uh, talking with you. Oh yeah, definitely.

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Aliens and Paranormal

Aliens and Paranormal

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in to the, what if the wrong podcast today, we have a nice discussion with mark and we’re gonna be talking about the UFO alien abduction phenomenon. Mark believes that he has been abducted himself and has a scoop mark on his arm that he thinks is proof that he was abducted, cuz he has no other recollection of how he got this scoop mark.

So we’re gonna get into that as well. But first, if you could go and rate and review the show, we highly appreciated would just let me know that you’re enjoying the content and also help keep us up on the rankings to keep the show going, bringing you all this great content and all these great guests.

Also, what if they’ wrong podcast is on buy me a coffee so you can donate to the show. If you like the content. Every little bit would be appreciated. And also if you donate, I will give you a shout out on the next episode. So let’s get with mark and remember question everything


[00:01:41] Mark: I’ve had paranormal experiences on a broad spectrum.

Uh, when I say paranormal, I mean, a, I use that more of a blanket term, uh, anything from parapsychology to UFOs to whatever you. and, uh, I, I’m also an amateur para psychologist. I’m about to get certified through duke university, uh, with a certificate. Um, I’ve got a lot, I’ve got eight over 18 years of earth of research behind me and I can talk about a lot.

[00:02:07] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. Yeah. Um, duke university. I’m in North Carolina now. So not too far.

[00:02:14] Mark: so it’s the, at the RH center there?

[00:02:17] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’m in, I’m over by Charlotte, so,

[00:02:21] Mark: oh, you’re not that far from me. I’m in Gainesville.

[00:02:24] Jeremiah: Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn’t know that they had a parapsychology degree or whatever you’d said.

[00:02:32] Mark: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of, uh, people who watch these paranormal reality shows.

They get parapsychology mixed up with ghost hunting while they do connect and they are correlated. There is a difference. Um, there’s a deep difference. And, uh, I’m also, uh, just as a side note, I’m also a, uh, one of the other hats I wear, I’m a certified storm spotter for the national weather service. So I’m, I’ve been in a lot of I’ve I I’ve spotted tornadoes.

Uh, I, uh, look for ’em on Doppler. I, I try to help forecast them and stuff like, and spot.

[00:03:09] Jeremiah: Oh, that’s pretty cool. um, yeah, I always remember those movies, like, uh, what was that one? Twister and they were like storm Chas. We got a Sidewinder yeah, I liked that movie.

[00:03:26] Mark: Yeah, that, that was a, it was a pretty good movie.

It was entertaining and everything. And, uh, the real thing is much more intense. It’s much more terrifying and it’s much more serious.

[00:03:36] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. . That stuff is not to be played with either.

[00:03:41] Mark: I’ve been in two EF zeros and I’ve been in an EF two. And the EF two, I was in, uh, just as a note side note, um, was back in 1994 in Southern Birmingham, Alabama Metro areas on Palm Sunday.

And it was a, uh, a third of a mile wide, uh, EF two, uh, tornado, which is a significant tornado. Um, it. When I saw it approaching, you could just see this wall cloud practically touching the ground, this massive wall cloud. It was rotating really fast. Um, it was, it was amazing.

[00:04:15] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s, that’s wild. I, I haven’t seen a tornado, but I was in Alabama, my cousin’s house and the, uh, alarm system went off saying like a tornado was coming

Yeah, but I don’t think it ever came by where we.

[00:04:33] Mark: Like the meteorologist James span says respect the polygon. That’s what I tell people. Right. I, I know all about storm structure. I could tell you about, uh, super cells. Uh Supplie linear convective systems, meso cyclones, the whole nine yards.

[00:04:49] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. Yeah, that’s pretty, uh, impressive.

So yeah, I just, um, yeah, just figured we could talk. And, uh, I’m always looking for other people who are into the whole UFO and abduction phenomenon and all that stuff. And, um, I like covering it on my show and I interviewed now, I don’t know the validity, but I interviewed two ladies who claimed to have had an abduction and, um, just give people a platform.

talk about their experiences. You know, that’s

[00:05:31] Mark: kind, you know, my in contrast to my show, I wanna tell you about my show. Um, first of all, when I look through your show, I noticed you caught you. You cover a very nice variety of topics, and my hat’s definitely off to you on that. Um, I saw a very interesting array of topics, really interesting array.

secondly, so project Stargate, friends research, I named it project Stargate, um, because of there was back I’m I’m a Barron and, uh, I was in the army for, uh, three years, uh, third infantry division mechanized, and, um, I learned years and years ago that there was a special access program, uh, called product Stargate.

And it was basically a, it was, it was ran by the army and it was monitored. I believe to some degree by the central intelligence agency in another three letter agency, um, that I’m not familiar with. At any rate, they were what they were, uh, they were experimenting with remote viewing and clairvoyance. And, um, clairvoyance is the ability, uh, per pair psychology.

The actual definition of clairvoyance is the ability to project one’s consciousness in other and view events or objects in time. Other areas of time and space, even pre cognitive. Now that’s the key right there. Um, now that accounts that does account for, I do believe that, uh, that some, some ghost sightings, uh, account for that phenomenon, some it it’s kind of like, uh, and sometimes, uh, I had Mike Rick sucker on my show, uh, Months ago.

And we were talking about, uh, the idea of time warping and, uh, GRA areas where the gravity’s kind of whacked a little bit and having, having some, um, intense geomagnetic, uh, electromagnetic fields and stuff like that. It was riveting conversation. Um, But we think that there also sometimes there are time wars.

So that’s just examples of things that we research I’ve researched, uh, for over 18 years. The reason I got into researching is because ever since I can remember, I’ve had, uh, various different kinds of paranormal experiences. Everything ranging from missing time to, uh, lots of UFO sidings with, and without other family members.

I have trace evidence as I’m gonna show you here in a little bit, uh, that I can, I can share with you. I’ve had this trace set evidence, uh, looked at by both Kathleen Martin and Darrell Sims. Uh, they seem to be pretty convinced that this, uh, scoop mark or whatever it is on my wrist is very consistent with what they’ve.

Very frequently over the past several decades. So, so we’re a research group first and foremost. We, um, what, we’re the whole idea behind project Stargate friends research is to share our research with the public, uh, first and foremost, but at the drop of a dime, I can go art bell. We, we can, I can go, we can flip the talk show mode and I can go art bell.

Just fine. No problem. I can go all out art bell on somebody. Um, but that’s what we are. That’s who I am. And that’s what I do.

[00:08:46] Jeremiah: Yeah. The I’ve been listening to the coast of coast for a long time. My show, I kind of model it around that. and um, like you said, I cover various topics and I like to dive into anything that I consider fringe and, um, Give people a platform to share their experiences and research and places that they couldn’t get to do that elsewhere.

Cuz like you probably wouldn’t see a lot of stuff I cover on mainstream TV or anything like that. So

[00:09:22] Mark: that’s what sets you apart from everybody else. And let me, and let me E encourage you to keep doing this because the more people that do this, the more, we’re all an important piece of these puzzle. The more of us who puts our piece out there.

The, the closer we’re gonna come to answering these que some of these questions. Some,

[00:09:41] Jeremiah: yeah. Some things are probably never gonna be answered, at least not in our lifetime, but who knows maybe on the other side, we’ll figure it out.

[00:09:51] Mark: correct. Hopefully. So, um, me personally, I approach things from I’m a little unique.

Um, I come at things I, I believe in science and I believe in God, basically that’s the bottom line. Uh, I believe that their synonymous and I believe that God, what we call science is real. A, and we have even begun to scratch the surface on it, but I also believe that what, what we call science is simply God’s methodology or the universe’s methodology, whatever you prefer to prefer as, uh, like the methodology of making everything in these three dimensions.

We, uh, we live in livable and for us to be able to better ourselves. That’s what I, that’s my philosophy. That’s the very bottom.

[00:10:37] Jeremiah: Yeah, if, uh, better ourselves and to experience life and, um, you know, they like this world is constructed for us to experience, like you said, cuz if you take everything down, so it’s basic form, it’s all just like energy and.

you know, this desk really isn’t a desk. If you take it down to like the microscopic level. So it’s just what we perceive. And we’re programmed, in my opinion, we’re programmed to perceive everything this way, but there are ways and techniques to go outside of, of that. And people have throughout time found ways to, to do that.

[00:11:25] Mark: Um, I recommend, I wanna recommend a guest for you if I okay. Um, and I can, I might can introduce you to this individual. His name is Dr. Barry TAF. If you can write that down, you have Barry. He is a Barry TAF, uh, PhD. Has a PhD in biomedical engineering. Wrote a book. He’s also, he’s a para psychologist and he wrote a book called aliens above ghosts, below explorations of the unknown.

And it’s basically, uh, it’s almost like I call it the parapsychology Bible for lack of a better term, cuz that’s kind of what it is. Um, and also like I have in many, many other researchers, uh, have, have, or is starting to see us some correlation between various different types of paranormal phenomenon.

And I can talk about that at length. If you ever want me. Oh, yeah. Get

[00:12:23] Jeremiah: into that. Let’s talk about that.

[00:12:25] Mark: um, yeah. So I can talk about that for sure. I, um, first of all, I want, we gotta kind of go back into my, uh, early life. Um, I was born and raised in Columbus, Mississippi, and, um, I, I had a pretty good upbringing.

We, my mom and dad, they were, they, they kind of sheltered me a little. Um, you know, I was able to watch TV a little bit here and there and, you know, I, they just demanded respect and obedience and they, they took very good care of me though. They took excellent care of me. They, uh, there was no abuse really going on of any kind.

Um, my throughout my childhood and, uh, I, uh, I was raised in a town called, uh, Columbus, Mississippi in Lowes county, uh, which is right on the Alabama. And I had my grandparents, they lived down south and Laurel, Mississippi, uh, which is where my mom and dad reside currently. Um, so I had a pretty good upbringing, but one thing though, um, is I, I noticed at a very, very young age that think that I, I was having these bizarre experiences that, um, people would raise their eyebrows out, uh, things that I could see that my mom and dad or other people couldn’t.

And usually it was like, it was a man. It was the same person every single time, uh, this guy. And, uh, I, I, I don’t know if he was my guardian angel. I I’m about, I’m pretty sure that’s what he was. Uh, I think he was my guardian angel or something, uh, to that effect, but he, um, at any rate, he. I would see him all the time.

And I would climb. What I would do is I would climb underneath, uh, our dining room table in the dining room, in this house in Mississippi. And when I would crawl under there, he would show up at a, just practically outta nowhere. And he would crawl under the table and talk to me just like me and you are having this conversation right now as we speak.

Um, and so I started having these experiences, um, One of my earliest experiences that I remember I was visiting my grandparents in south Mississippi, and we, um, I was staying in this basement room and I, I think you could call it, probably considered this like some sort of close encounter experience of some kind.

Uh, but I, I woke up and there were three entities standing at the foot of the bed and these entities were very small. They were approximately three and a half foot. uh, three and a half to four foot. Uh, they were about, they were taught a little bit taller than me. Um, cause I was about four years old or something like that.

Um, anyways, these, uh, these entities. Didn’t they had very, they had very, very small little areas that you could call a mouth. They had, um, the, what, these little nub things that looked like, I guess they were ears. I don’t know what they were. Um, and two little holes, like right up here. And then they had these big black app, wraparound eye lenses.

And, um, they also wore these little what looked like a, like a really dark maroon robe with a hood over it. Kinda like a Dr. CLO. That was one of my, uh, young, that was one of my earliest, uh, experiences that I remember.

[00:15:44] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s a very common thing to, um, people who get abducted. Now, I’m not saying you got abducted, but maybe did.

Um, but people who got abducted from their room and bed and everything like that, it’s usually three, three gray type aliens. deck do it. And I don’t know what the significance of that is, but, um, yeah, from a lot of encounters I’ve read and heard about it always seems to be three and they usually are like assisted by a taller gray type being or a Manto type being.

So yeah, you definitely, it definitely fits the, the, it hits

[00:16:32] Mark: the profile. For sure. I don’t like, I don’t like to jump to conclusion his brother. I, I really don’t but you know, if it looks like a pig and it works like a pig, it’s probably a pig. Yeah. That’s what they say. But let’s go deeper. Let’s go a little bit deeper if you want to.

Yeah. Um, so moving forward, let’s move forward about, you know, maybe, I don’t know, four years, I think I was about eight years. One summer, my grandparents from south Mississippi, they came up, they spent the weekend at our house and, um, they actually, uh, when it was time for them to go, they were ready to go home.

Sunday. I just, outta nowhere, I just had this overwhelming desire to go with ’em. I was like, Hey, you know, I was, I begged my mom and dad to let me go. And they did, you know, we got in the, we got in the vehicle and, um, we started, uh, heading south and, uh, through, through the state of Mississippi, And, um, as it was getting dark, this is how I recall these events.

I recall these events as, uh, in kind of in this order. We started, I remember where this started because I would, I, I saw a sign, an exit sign off this highway, and I know the general area that this happened in. Uh, cuz I remember when I was little seeing the sign lit up by the, uh, car lights, um, By the lamps.

And I could see that it was an exit for Philadelphia, Mississippi. So not very shortly after we passed that exit. Now keep in mind, it was around, uh, 8 50, 8 55 in the evening. It was summer and it was getting dark. It had just gotten dark and we’re, we’re going down the highway and outta nowhere, this very bright fiery object flies in front of our vehicle.

I felt stunned. I felt afraid and very confused. Uh, my grandmother was very outta sorts and the next thing we knew, uh, we were probably about an hour away from their house at this point. Uh, and we should have gotten there by 10 o’clock, but it was close to midnight when we actually got there. How can that.

Uh, I got very sick to my stomach. I, I got, I threw up, uh, I, I was very sick. I was fine the next day, but, um, experiences like this, that I’ve had a lot of times they’re followed up by other types of phenomenon. Uh, like for example, uh, I had a UFO siding when I was older and, um, I was having this UFO siding almost every night for about two months, one summer.

And, um, I had a witness, my partner, Greg that’s on my show. Uh, he’s one of my co-hosts and my partner, uh, Greg, I, I, we got, we used to work together and I, when we got off, when we were about to get off work, I asked him, I told him what I’d been seeing. Uh, I told him what’s been happening and he agreed that when we closed up shop, we were gonna go, he was gonna follow me back to my house and, and come.

Well, he did. And sure enough, it wasn’t within five minutes of him staying there. This object manifested, uh, in the horizon, not too distant horizon and it seemed to have the ability to implode and then reappear somewhere else in another area of space. So later that night after he, after all the, the event, uh, transpired, um, I had a brief, uh, what a akin to a Poulter, uh, outbreak in the house I was living at the time.

So, I mean, there’s a lot of things that could, that I’ve seen personally. Um, uh, that’s just a couple of my experiences that I remember where I had some other Paran types of paranormal phenomenon associated. There would be associated with parapsychology, including, uh, a sort of telepathic. Idea projection into my head, like, come with us, like in the first experience I told you about it wasn’t it was not a language that it was used towards.

It was ideas, like come with us, stuff like that,

[00:20:42] Jeremiah: kind of like, um, yeah, they just put the thought in your head kind of thing. It’s not like actual like speech or talking. You just kind of know, is that how it was. .

[00:20:56] Mark: Yeah. I mean, it’s just like, it’s really hard to describe. They’re not your thoughts and what scares me about what, the thing that kind of creeps me out about that is I’ve also studied some demonology and that kind of sounds like possession in a way, but it wasn’t, I know I wasn’t demonically possessed or anything, but it’s kind of similar to that.

Uh you’re you’re someone else’s consciousness is operating in your mind, it being projected to you or whatnot.

[00:21:21] Jeremiah: Now, have you, um, tried to go through like the hypnotherapy or regression. Hmm.

[00:21:31] Mark: So that’s a good question. Um, I’m a Mo member of Mohan. and we’re starting up, uh, here in Georgia. We’re starting up.

We’re actually about, uh, me and, uh, some other, well, this, this one of my fellow members, I should say, this is his, his, uh, group that he’s starting and I’m, I’m gonna, uh, I’m. I might be assisting with it. Uh, it’s an experience’s group and, um, As far as, before I made, I have not made a decision on whether I want to try hypno, hypno, regression.

Um, it’s kind of one of those things like, do I, do I want to add trauma to this? Do I, you know, is it gonna really screw me up? You know, is it, do I really wanna know what happened? Because a lot of the cases I’ve already studied already. Uh, most of them weren’t very.

[00:22:19] Jeremiah: yeah, it’s one of those double edged swords.

It’s like, do I want to know or will it make things worse or, uh, yeah, I understand that completely. Um, cuz like you said, a lot of the stories I’ve heard from David Jacobs and all that is like, yeah, the people have terrible experiences, but of course their memories are pretty much wiped until they go through.

regression or whatever. So, yeah, I was just curious if, if you were planning on doing that to try to get some answers, but maybe you don’t want to get the answers.

[00:22:58] Mark: I don’t know I’m gonna prayerfully consider it, but at the same time, um, one of the reasons why I wanna be involved with this, uh, group, uh, is because one thing it’ll give me a direct in my face insight.

I’ve I’ve studied tons and tons of, of Abdu abduction cases. Over the years, I’ve had, uh, I had Kathleen Martin on my show twice, a couple, two or three times, and we talked about Betty and Barney heard that, you know, her aunt and uncle Betty and Barney hill, we talked about a lot of stuff. She ran and experienced her group along with this lady named den Denise stoner, uh, who I also had on my show.

Um, and they were, they ran that for a while in Florida. Down in Florida, uh, for, and, and separately from Mohan.

[00:23:45] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s definitely interesting that Benny and Barney hill case is, um, pretty dang. Um, well, I believe it, but I’m saying it’s pretty hard to dispute their case. Uh, if you’re like a denier or whatever,

[00:24:04] Mark: if you’re a Michael Shermer or a Philip Glass, understood.

Yeah. You know, you know, it’s, it is funny, you know, I, I catch my, you know, every once in a while, um, I like to listen to Joe Rogan. He’s he’s I like the way he does his podcast. There’s the chill environment, the, the campfire style conversation, kinda like we’re having right now. Um, very similar. Um, but, uh, I saw him, uh, when he interviewed, um, uh, he interviewed, he had several really good interviews.

I recommend people checking out. One was Dan Aroy, uh, the actor. Um, and he’s very interested in the paranormal, um, in real life. And, uh, the other one was Bob Lazar and that was just probably one of the best interviews, more detailed and descriptive and brutally honest interviews I’ve seen. And I, I tend to believe his story.

I tend to lean that.

[00:24:53] Jeremiah: Yeah, I think I’ve heard at least sections of that, Bob Laar one. Um, I have to go back and listen to the whole thing again, but yeah, I’ve always liked Joe Rogan myself. Like I just like how he’s the same type of way where he just gives people a platform to talk. And, um, it’s not really like geared towards one thing or the other.

It’s kind of like, just tell me your experience. And, uh, like I, I listen to a ton of. One’s about like people’s iowaska trips and stuff and, um, yeah, that kind of stuff like really fascinates me, like,

[00:25:30] Mark: yeah, me too. It does me too as well.

[00:25:33] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve never done it and I’ve been to Peru, but I went to like, do the, um, see all the ruins and stuff like that.

And I’m actually going back to Peru in like two weeks. And. I, I won’t be doing iowaska, but I’ll be looking at the ruins again. I hope to get footage so I can make like a short documentary or something of like all the weird stuff there that just doesn’t make sense for like traditional history.

[00:26:02] Mark: Yeah. AB I I’m fascinated.

I’ll tell you what, man. I’m really fascinated with the NASCA. Uh, the, the NASCA lines is, is very mysterious. You know, who, how the. Did they get those things done as, as, as accurately and as, and as they have, it’s just incredible.

[00:26:20] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then also why, like, they won’t be able to see it from the ground. So what were they doing?

Were they, I’m not saying like instantly it’s aliens, but like why would they create that? They can’t even like admire their own work.

[00:26:38] Mark: Yeah. And, and, you know, there’s a lot, there are other possibilities about that, but at the end of the day, um, it speculated they did it to, to honor their gods in some way.

And who knows? I mean, there’s a, there’s, there’s evidence, there’s some, some evidence out there to support that some kind of non-human intelligence has, uh, has operated and interacted with us for at least a couple thousand years. And I find it very interest.

[00:27:04] Jeremiah: So through, uh, your research and everything and people you’ve talked to and stuff like that.

I know I’m in the camp of aliens being interdimensional. Um, and I know there’s a small group of people who think the same. Um, what’s your take on the whole alien thing? Do you think they’re from outer space, you think they’re interdimensional or are they kind of like a mix of both?

[00:27:32] Mark: Okay, so I’ll start with this.

I got a friend of mine. He’s actually, uh, a, a member of moan. His name is Joseph Jordan, and he joined moan decades ago. I want, I’m just practicing with this, but he joined moan many years ago and he started a sort of like an experiences type group as well. This is back in like the night early nineties. I think it was.

um, I’ve got his book. He, he gave, he sent me a copy of his book, but, um, at any rate, um, he did a lot of research and he started seeing some anomalies that were popping up in this research. Now some of this had religious overtones, which, uh, is hard for a lot of, is a pill, hard pill for a lot of people to swallow.

But, um, at any rate, Um, there, there are some cases there’s a, a pretty decent amount of cases that were reported to that, uh, that he investigated over the years. Or he, he was, uh, told by, uh, people who had, uh, experiences different, these types of contact experiences with, uh, non-human intelligence of some kind.

And they seem to not like the whole, uh, mention in God’s name or Christ name or whatever, or YWA or whatever. Your belief system is, uh, they didn’t like that at all. And the, um, the experience was terminated, uh, through using that, uh, that technique. Um, I actually had a very similar experience one time, uh, which I can talk about, uh, later, if you ever want me to.

Um, but at any rate, um, there’s a, uh, I, I tend to leave towards the interdimensional theory. It’s a mixed bag. Think there’s a lot of things at play here. I think that there. Different types of entities that are interacting with us. Um, a guy, I had a guy named Howard storm on my program. He was on salt mysteries, um, and Howard had a near death experience.

Uh, he ended up in a very hellish place, uh, that was kind of wrapped up in our dimension in some way. Uh, he was out of his body fully and, uh, people were ripping him to shreds and he was, and it got dark and. He had, and then turned into a very positive experience. And he was there with our creator one on one, and he was asking God, all these questions.

And then they got to the, the whole, I asked, I looked at him dead in the eye. I said, I said, Mr. Storm, what about aliens? He said that God told him. uh, or the, be the Supreme being whatever you prefer that told him that yes, there showed him all these examples of different types of beings he’s created throughout dimensions and space and everything.

And said, but the ones that were interacting with mankind at this point are up to no good. That’s what he said. So, you know, these could be aliens. These could be. Um, but I think that they’re, they would most certainly have to be interdimensional in nature because, uh, you could call ’em alien.

You can call ’em interdimensional beings. You can call ’em whatever you want to call ’em. Uh, but the, the facts are this. We don’t know where the heck they come from or who they really. That is a fact, uh, we could be dealing with fallen angels in some cases, uh, we could be dealing with, um, each BA, uh, bad ETS.

We could be dealing with some sort of bio. I think that some things are biological Androids, uh, specifically the grays. Uh, they don’t seem to have a very high intelligence of any kind. Uh, they just seem to be like a worker B type thing. Um, they’re there for one purpose and one purpose only that’s to, uh, drag your tail out bed or out of your car in broad daylight, and then in the evening, and do things to you that are can to rape torture and mutilation.

So interdimensional, uh, extra terrestrial, it’s all the same at the end of the day. I believe it is. Um, and I think that there may be something else at play here that more, even more sinister, uh, at play that’s that’s involved with these.

[00:31:29] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s kind of crazy to me, cuz like, if you just look at it one way or something like that, you could be like, oh, there’s just from outer space.

There are space brothers or whatever. But then I think like while I listen to stories of people who have. Mushroom trips or iowaska journeys or all these different things. And they will legit tell you they’ve met like gray type aliens on these trips that they’re having. And it would just make more sense to me, you know, maybe these be these whatever substances.

Are able to give people glimpses into these other realities, these other dimensions? Um, I don’t know. It’s just my take on it.

[00:32:21] Mark: Yeah. And is, I don’t think you’re, I think, I don’t think you’re off the beaten path at all. Very fascinating. And, uh, I have to, you know, I think I have to concede that that’s a definite possibility I’m, I’m open, we’re wide open to other possibilities.

Our, our motto is, is we listen to understand, not to listen, to respond. So that way, even if you disagree with their conclusions, you can still learn from other people.

[00:32:45] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. Have you heard of, um, well I’m sure you have, but, uh, LA Marzuk, he is totally on the, and he’s totally on the. Yeah, he’s totally in the camp of, uh, them being like demonic beings.

And, um, I think he has like documentary videos of like, um, implants and stuff, and he like prays on them, praise on them and they like disappear. So it’s just very interesting to me.

[00:33:20] Mark: absolutely. Um, I think, like I said, I think everybody’s at an important piece of, uh, the paranormal puzzle. Um, we also, now I’ll tell you this, um, there’s also, I’ve, I’ve had a lot of, I’ve had some other experiences that had, uh, various types of paranormal phenomenon.

It seem to be kind of a hosh positive of activity. I can, I can tell you talk about that a little bit. If you. yeah, yeah, go ahead. Um, when I was older, I was probably around 12, 13 years old. And, um, I had an experience one night. Uh, it was in the middle of the night or early morning. Uh, I’m not really sure what time it was, but it was in the middle of the night.

And I, I was about, you know, 12, 13 years. And I woke up and I, I could feel, I, I was paralyzed. I was, I felt like I was suffocating and I was paralyzed. I could see, but I couldn’t move my body or anything. But the weird thing about it was is there’s not, I was not laying on my bed. I could, I could not feel the bed underneath me, my pillow underneath.

I mean, it was, I was probably several feet levitating, both my bed. And when I woke up the next morning, I felt that I felt myself, uh, impact the bed and I slammed down the bed and I woke up at the following morning and there I had, what’s what they call scoop mark on my, uh, right wrist. And I’ve never had an injury there.

I’ve never been to the doctor. Uh, it looks like something, some kind of device or instrument just scooped a little piece of flesh off right here off my wrist. You can’t really see it cuz of the, my resolution’s kind of low my cam, but it’s there. I, I have a high resolution picture.

[00:35:02] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve heard about the scoop marks and then there’s the, um, three dots that are like a pyramid kind of thing.

And, um, I’m sure there’s others. I can’t think of off the top of my head, but yeah, all these abductions, definitely. It seems to always start with like an examination type of thing. And, uh, a lot of it turns like, I say sexual, but I don’t mean like porn or having a having sex or whatever. It’s more like reproductive sexual.


[00:35:35] Mark: sometimes it is though.

[00:35:37] Jeremiah: Yeah. And yeah, the whole hybridization, um, and like hybrid babies and all that stuff. Like yeah. That stuff like really fascinates me and creeps me out at the same time. It’s like, it is what are doing.

[00:35:54] Mark: my, I have a theory on that, by the way, I actually have an I a hypothesis rather.

Um, what’s that it kind of takes us back to Genesis chapter five, uh, in the days of Noah, uh, or Genesis chapter six, I think it was six. Um, I believe that it’s very possible that what, what these entities are are doing is trying to replicate that in some. Uh, in the days of Noah, the sons of God came before the Lord and they lusted after the daughters of men, they took ’em as WIS.

And there may have, there may have been some sort of offspring, uh, between whatever the, the sons of gods are and, uh, these women and which, uh, I think what I believe possibly could have corrupted our gene pool, um, in, in some fashion with their, uh, ne or their giants. And, um, I, what I think may be going, what could be possibly happening right.

Right now with this is maybe what if they’re trying to, uh, get that experiment going and, you know, again, or in a different way, try to achieve a similar result.

[00:37:00] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s definitely possible. And something I’ve definitely thought about is like, and. I know a lot of people these days, like as soon as you mention, like religion, they’re like turned off and they’re like, oh, you’re just talking about that crazy religious stuff.

But like, if you take the dogma of religion out of it and just focus on the scripture and her, and it does line up pretty. Pretty, uh, pretty well because you have, like you said, the fallen angels, and then they went into the daughters of men and created the offspring, the NELI and all that. And yeah, it could be the same exact thing they’re trying to make, uh, this hybrid race or whatever.

And. A lot of times it seems to fail at it because from the, a lot of accounts I’ve heard about and looked into the babies always seem like sickly or weak, or something’s not right with them. They ask the person that they’re, they AB abducted to like, hold the baby close to them and, and love on it.

Like tell ’em like, oh, it’s a beautiful baby. Even if the woman is. Kind of disgusted by it and yeah, I definitely could see that being the case that, um, and I know it probably happened before, but it seems like was 1947, the Roswell crash seems to be like the kickoff point. Uh,

[00:38:38] Mark: yeah. Of the modern UFO era.

And as a, as an interesting side note, I’d like to add to that. If you don’t mind, 1947, ironically is the year that Aster Crowley died. Oh. And, um, Jack Parsch Hemond Jack Parsons and other people who was following, uh, his DIIC, uh, satanic type beliefs. Um, they performed ceremonies that when in one theory is they opened up some sort of veil where these entities came through, cuz he Crowley at one point, uh, claims that he had an encounter within being that he called LA L that’s Lima alpha, Mike.

And this entity looked very similar to what they call and what I saw in, in when I was a little, very little.

[00:39:22] Jeremiah: Oh, wow. That’s crazy. I actually didn’t know that but, um, yep. Yeah. I know about Crowley and how he’s evil and satanic. And he did a whole lot of like bad stuff while he was alive. And. Uh, I think I saw he got kicked out of Italy or something cuz he had this cult going on and

[00:39:44] Mark: he did, he, he, he had a cult going and uh, some people died.

I, from my understanding, uh, he was just, he was a loser. This guy was just a loser. I hate to say that I bet somebody, but that’s just the truth of the matter. Um, he let people die. He rumored to have murdered a few people, but I don’t know what there’s also rumors that he was like, they thought the whole, that whole thing was a big front, that he was like a spy for the British, uh, government, uh, spying on the, uh, uh, Germans.

Uh, during more war, I think one and two or at least one, I’m not sure if it was two, but anyways, there there’s all kinds of crazy rumors, but at the end of the day, it’s pretty obvious. The sky is a very wicked man.

[00:40:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. And the coincidence that , that when he died is when the whole alien like modern alien phenomenon, uh, started is pretty, uh, pretty crazy.

I’d never heard that one. So that’s something new, uh, for me. And then. I think also they’re messing with, um, portals and stuff at CERN over in Switzerland. I don’t know if you know about that, but, um,

[00:40:55] Mark: yeah, I really do. I’ve heard a little bit about it. I’m not, I don’t know a whole, I’m not on the up and up with that, but I’ve heard a little bit about it.

[00:41:02] Jeremiah: Yeah, so there’s a lot of weird stuff going on around cer and like when they reboot the machine, I think it back in like 2012. Uh, so I have an episode about CERN 2012 and how, um, a lot of people think our, I hate saying our world ended cuz like we’re still here, but the world that we knew. um, a lot, there’s a theory that when they rebooted CN in 2012, it kind of merged our reality with an alternate, um, like a parallel universe reality.

And I think that’s when the whole like Mandela effect thing really sprung up and people started like noticing things are not exactly how they remember. And, um, so yeah, it’s just another interesting thing that. You know, maybe they are over there and if you watch the like ceremonies they do, and the Godder tunnel conspiracy or the Godder tunnel opens ceremony and stuff like that, it’s just very strange.

And it doesn’t make any sense why they would, uh, perform those type of like acts or rituals or whatever. And unless they’re up to no good. .

[00:42:20] Mark: Yeah. I mean, it is, it’s very bizarre for sure. I mean, if you’re, if these are supposed to be nuts and bolt scientists, but you never know.

[00:42:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. So, yeah, it’s, uh, it’s crazy.

And you know, in the grand scheme of things from 1947 till now, uh, it’s really not a lot of time has passed. I mean, for us, because we. You know, we only live so many years. It seems like a long time, but, uh, in the grand scheme of the planet and everything, it’s such a short time. So, and then you see all the current events going on and stuff like that.

It’s like a lot of people are saying, yeah, we’re we’re are, were in the, uh, book of revelations or whatever. So

[00:43:10] Mark: now the book of Daniel.

[00:43:12] Jeremiah: Yeah. And. I, I say that to tie it in with the whole alien abduction thing and you know, what are they up to, or is this all part of the, what was written in the, you know, far past?

[00:43:29] Mark: Exactly. Yeah. You know, it is, it’s really interesting because, um, I had another experience one time. I think I wanna share with you. Um, if you, if you don’t mind. Yeah, go ahead. Um, this let’s go back to 1990. Uh, this is before, right? Not too long. Before I joined the military, I was invited to come to a party at someone’s house and they had a we award.

Now I wanna disclaim one thing. I do not recommend anybody under any circumstances ever mess around with the, a cult, what I call a cult objects like that, uh, very dangerous stuff. However, I was a skeptic at the time, you, I was very skeptical, uh, at that I haven’t woken up yet per se, where I started having these memories flooding back in, like I did in my mid twenties.

So, you know, I was just very skeptical about it. I didn’t think about anything that happened with my past really so much. I would just, all I cared about was girls and, you know, partying and this and that back then when I was really young. So we all, we all huddled around this little table and she had her OUIA board and on the, and then the plant chat was sitting there and, and I put my hands on fingers.

I laid my fingers on it. Very gently. Everybody else did. Then we had, uh, someone keeping notes. And there was some kind of force moving the plan chat. It was, it was, there was a type of force that was moving it around the type, the, uh, spirit board. And you could feel, it, it, it is, it is something I can’t describe.

It is just some kind of, uh, probably pre and natural, uh, force that was moving this plan, chat all over the board. You know, I wasn’t drunk. I wasn’t stoned. Uh, I wasn’t, I wasn’t, uh, on any kind of sub I maybe had one beer, maybe a beer. Uh, I was, I was very sober. I was very clear minded. Um, and it kept telling me to go answer the door.

Um, I went to the door and there were someone standing there. Like we could, we didn’t hear anybody pull up or anything. It’s just, they have a very, very long driveway. um, so you couldn’t hear someone pull it up. It’s just too far away. Well, low and behold, there was someone staying there when I opened the door.

No doorbell rang or anything. Well, a little bit later, it tells me to go answer the door again. Well, keep in mind, this is in the middle of summer, the dead heat of summer. And it’s like, you know, in the nineties, it’ very hot stifling and humid eeping. As I opened the door, there was nobody. But as I, after I opened the door and I stood there for a second, I felt this brusher really called air, hit me and it, and it put, it brought chills all over my body and they, we communicated, we, we started, we kept communicating with whatever this entity was, uh, at the time.

And then finally, I just like, you know, I’m, this is boring. I’m going home. Even though I was pretty, I was a little creeped out by the things that were happening. Um, I was just, I kind of got to the point where I was just like, you know, I had to go outta town the next day I wanted to go home and, and I, you know, I’d seen enough of it, you know, I believed it, you know, so I’m driving home and I lived on the other side of this estate neighborhood.

I’m driving home and there was these, uh, very tall street lamps, uh, on both sides of the road. And as I approached each set of street lamps, the lamp would, would turn. And as I, as I moved past it, uh, they would come back. I looked in my rear view mirror. They would go, come back on. Uh, this happened the whole way home from one side of this big neighborhood to another I, and as I, when I got home, I immediately, I felt really tired.

I got really, really tired and kind of agitated. And I wanted just to lay down and I immediately went to this really deep sleep. And as I was laying there, sleep. I had a, this vision, something akin to a, it was like a lucid dream or a vision or something is very, very powerful and intense and real. And in that dream, these two girls that was at the house were, were, were, they were kneeling in front of the board with the plant chat in the middle of the oui board spin really, really fast by itself.

And then the suddenly the. Um, plane chat flies off the table. The girls look like they’re in a trance of some kind. And as right as that flies off the table, I, I woke up and I sat up and there was what looked like an alien gray or something staying right next to my bed. I don’t know. That’s what I saw.

[00:48:04] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s another like weird phenomenon too. And I know a lot of like scientists say. All day alien abduction phenomena is just sleep paralysis, which I think is hog wash. Cuz people get abducted in daylight and in their car and, and they’re not sleeping. So it can’t be sleep paralysis for all those cases.

So you can’t have

[00:48:31] Mark: sleep paralysis. Driving car in broad daylight. Darrell SIM says, has told me, uh, straight up that, uh, almost 60% of abductions occur in broad day. . Yeah,

[00:48:41] Jeremiah: so, I mean, that’s just the way they can try to discredit the whole thing. But what I was trying to say is like, um, there is another phenomenon with, I guess, sleep paralysis where, um, people see.

Demonic type beings, as soon as they like start to wake up, um, or if they get startled awake and there’s actually, what’s her name? The famous artist right now, Billy Eilish. She, um, she had an experience. She said that, um, one of her music videos is kind of about it and she woke up and there was. Like dark, demonic figure type of thing at the foot of her bed.

And she goes on talking about this whole experience and it just reminded me of what you just said when you had that, um, experience. So, you know, it could just be another, like I said, with the hallucinogens, like Luno gens, like it could just be another. Way that brains get tapped into something else that we are not really supposed to experience.

Um, maybe when you get startled outta sleep, it’s still not clicked into this world yet. I don’t know. Uh, and probably sound crazy, but

[00:50:01] Mark: not at all. I believe as a matter of fact, I’ll take that a step further. what if, what if to feature this? So what if our brains are simply a, like a biological processor and nothing else may, because para a lot of parapsychologists now are suggesting that maybe just maybe our conscious is remote and broadcasted to us and linked to us with like a cord or something.

I don’t know. Yeah. I’ve heard that too.

[00:50:28] Jeremiah: Makes sense. Yeah, I’ve definitely heard that, that we’re. we’re just the, um, I don’t know what you would call it. We’re just like the televisions and we’re receiving the signals, like

[00:50:41] Mark: an avatar.

[00:50:42] Jeremiah: Yeah. Like avatar. Yep. And, um, you know, a lot of that stuff. And I was talking with someone earlier and, um, we said how, it’s funny, how.

One thing will lead into another thing into another thing. And soon you have like a whole spider web worth of stuff that you never thought would fit together, but it ends up fitting together. Once you start looking at everything together instead of separated.

[00:51:12] Mark: Definitely. Um, do we go to a breaker or do you just keep, continue going through you plow through?

[00:51:20] Jeremiah: I usually just go until we’re done talking. Okay. But if you

[00:51:26] Mark: need a break, you can, I need to use the bathroom really quick. Is that cool?

[00:51:30] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s fine. I’ll just edit it out.

[00:51:33] Mark: All right. I’m I’m sorry about that. No, you’re fine. I, the, I, the way I do when I do my, um, I’m, I’m my IMM used to doing it a different way.

I’m I apologize for messing that up. Sorry about that. Oh, no, you’re

[00:51:44] Jeremiah: fine. Yeah. Cuz my unusual only lasts about an hour, so.

[00:51:50] Mark: Okay, well, um, I’ll be right back in one minute.

[00:51:53] Jeremiah: Yep. No problem.

[00:52:01] Mark: Okay.


All right, man. Sorry about that. I I’m trying to get over some kidney stones and, uh, I’m afraid it’s played health, my urinary tract and whatnot. Oh yeah.

[00:52:48] Jeremiah: I’ve been there before. yeah, I’ve definitely been there

[00:52:53] Mark: before. How would you like to wrap this up? What do you, where do you, where do you wanna take it till the end of the segment?

[00:53:00] Jeremiah: Um, uh, I don’t even know. Usually I just like ask my guests to plug their stuff, like where they can be found and, and all that stuff.

[00:53:14] Mark: okay. So, um, this has been a really awesome conversation, man. I appreciate you, uh, having me on today. We are actually, um, I, you can find, I just wanna give a, give a shout out to, uh, every, all your audience and, uh, I really appreciate you letting me on today.

Um, you could, we can be found project Stargate, friends research is on Facebook. Uh, we’re also on, uh, Spotify, uh, audio only. And, uh, also check out our YouTube channel, which you can watch on your smart TV with the YouTube. and, um, this has been great, man. I appreciate it.

[00:53:56] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. I like talking to like minds and, uh, even if I don’t agree completely with someone, I can at least see their point of view and their perspective.

And, um, and then, you know, maybe can shift my. Uh, belief or shift someone else’s I don’t know, but at least have the opportunity to talk and not be censored or be, uh, create treated like a. You know, crazy person or

[00:54:28] Mark: something. Yeah, no kidding. And, and I think a lot of us have, have caught that kind of flack.

Um, uh, maybe some other time maybe, um, maybe if you have some time we can talk, I can tell you all about the, uh, coal mountain triangle. I’ve discovered it, it’s an area in north Georgia that, um, goes from Dawsonville to, uh, coming and then up to LJ and then back down. And it’s synonymous with lots of different types of Paran phenomenon, even a satanic cold as.

oh, wow. And I can talk about we’ll definitely, I’d be happy to talk about that sometime.

[00:55:00] Jeremiah: Yeah. We’ll definitely have to get into that. And I still, I don’t live that far from Georgia, so I’m hoping to get down there and see the Georgia Guidestones and all that good conspiracy stuff. So

[00:55:12] Mark: yeah, you oughta come.

We’re gonna be doing an expedition, some expeditions out in the coal mountain triangle. Maybe you can come out and hang out with us and, and, and explore the unknown with us. So. That’d be

[00:55:20] Jeremiah: great. Oh yeah, definitely. You’ll have to let me know. Um, and when it is, obviously I’ll be in Peru, uh, most of July, so, but, um, yeah, definitely.

I’m down for that. And down to talk again and talk more about, you know, the paranormal and stuff that you won’t find on your major programming.

[00:55:44] Mark: Yeah. And that’s what it’s all about. People. That’s where people like us coming into play. You know, that that’s our job, you know? Uh, I have, I have celebrity guests on my show.

I have people that no one’s ever heard of in my show. And these are all just as important. These stories are all just as important to me.

[00:55:59] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. And the more people I can talk to the better for me, cuz I learn things every, every episode that I do and I just like hearing. From other people and people who have experiences that I’ve never had, or have, uh, research that I don’t have.

And, you know, I don’t claim to know everything. So it’s good to have people who are like, well researched on, uh, different topics, cuz you know, I mainly focus on like the ancient past and aliens and UFOs and abductions and. But then I have big foot researchers on so I can learn about that. And then I’ve like did a episode with a medium talking about that and the lady ghost Buster.

So yeah. I like to, to hit different things and I like to learn and I’m constantly reading and learning. So it’s fun.

[00:56:59] Mark: well, you’ve certainly done a fine job of it and keep up the great work.

[00:57:03] Jeremiah: Oh yeah. Thank. Uh, thanks for coming on. And, uh, we’ll definitely, uh, catch up again.

[00:57:10] Mark: That’s my pleasure, man. Thank you for, for having me.

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Alien Abduction: Nicole’s Encounter

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Alien Abduction: Nicole’s Encounter

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast. The podcast that wants you to question everything. Your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials. We’re going to get into this riveting episode in a moment where I interviewed Nicole. Nicole came to me after hearing Adrian’s abduction encounter, and she had a similar experience. And she wanted to share it with us. So, I have her on the show. We’re going to listen to that in a moment. But first, I want to give a shout out to some podcasts that I’m friends with.

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So we’re going to get into this interview with Nicole and her abduction encounter. And I’m just remember question everything. Hello, and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast. Podcast that wants you to question everything. We have with us today, Nicole. She’s going to share with us her alien abduction experience and, uh, the traumatic event that she had to endure.

We talked with Adrian, and she heard about that story and wanted to share her own. Because, she said there’s a lot of similarities. So we’re going to get into that and hopefully get some answers and maybe at least be able to. In the open so that, um, maybe other people that have a similar experience can, uh, feel free to talk about that.


So I’ll introduce her now. Hello, Nicole,

how are you?

[00:04:22] Nicole: I’m doing good.

[00:04:24] Jeremiah: That’s good. So, when your abduction happened, uh, just trying to get a little background. Where were you kind of at, in life? Were you into aliens and abductions and stuff like that? Or was it just something that randomly happened? Or, I’m just trying to get a feel for where you were at in life at the time?

[00:04:47] Nicole: Well,

I had always, like, not really, um, been like, I wouldn’t say like obsessed with it. But I was like, you know, kind of interested. Hearing other people’s stories. How, you know, Our world is so small compared to our universe. And, you know, like we, I, it’s just hard for me to believe. That we’re the only, you know, the only race. Only things that were created.

Um, and so I’ve always had like that interest in, you know, what if, or, you know, things like that. So, I was always interested and the unknown and things that we just can’t explain. Or have, you know, don’t have the answers to. But as far as like, that time period in my life. I was actually, I was 20 years old.

I was, um, engaged to be married. Um, I’d actually just had my first son. Um, and I was in a really good spot. Me and my soon to be husband at the time, had a house on some land. We were just doing really well. He worked out of state out of town a lot, so he was hardly ever home. So I would go months without him being there.

And during the time that this had happened, it was just me and my four month old time. Um, so I mean, it was unexpected. It was very random. But that’s pretty much it. That’s pretty much how, um, how life was going at that moment at that point in time.

[00:06:33] Jeremiah: So you said he was away a lot. Did this experience happen while he was gone?

[00:06:39] Nicole: Yeah, he was actually working. Um, he was in the same state, but he was out of town. He was about work. He was working about nine hours away. Um, And so at the time it was just me and my son. And like I said, we had, you know, how little house on land. So there wasn’t really, there wasn’t anybody really close to me.

I mean, we had the landlords that owned the home. But they were, you know, a little bit, a ways down the road. They weren’t like right on our doorstep, you know? So, um, so we’re the house side. It was just us. And it, you know, at the time I didn’t have a vehicle, we only had one vehicle. So I, it was just me and my son there all the time. You know, until occasionally I would go out with friends or family.

Um, other than that, it was just so us all the time.

[00:07:30] Jeremiah: Okay. So, you were alone, so to speak, while you and your son and when this event happened. Do you recall when exactly it happened? Like, was it during the day? It was that at night time, what were you doing? Were you just sleeping? And it happened. And

[00:07:52] Nicole: so, um, it was actually a nine time. Me and my four month old son, which he was a preemie baby.

So he was really, really tiny. And, um, I was like, you know, like any other mom. I always super terrified that, you know, something would happen like SIDS or something like that. So, I always have to in really close next to me. But because he was so tiny, I kept him in. Like the little diaper changer things that have like, you know. The sides were kind of up.

So that way, if he did roll, he wouldn’t really wouldn’t go anywhere. And so, I laid his diaper changer thing next to me on the bed, and I laid him down to sleep. I’m actually like I had fallen asleep, and what I thought was a dream at the time. Which, you know, the next day I kind of learned really, you know, might not have been a dream.

Um, I mean, I can go ahead and explain the, the experience, um, if, if that’s okay.

[00:08:52] Jeremiah: Yeah, go ahead. Um, so we’re just trying to, I’m just trying to get a picture for when it like, quote unquote started. So yeah, it was nighttime. You were laying with your son and okay. Now you can continue with what happened.

[00:09:09] Nicole: So, I had fallen asleep and, um, I, what I thought was, you know, I was having a dream and in the dream I actually was in this circular.

And I can tell that it was literally just metal. There was nothing but metal everywhere around me. The balls were metal, everything that was in there was metal. And, um, I’m actually laying on this table. What kind of, you know, th it was a metal table, which to me kind of resembled like a corners people almost the way, you know, just the, the look of it.

Um, except the fact that there was also like, my arms were stretched out and beside me and the table had extensions for my arms. And at the end of the table, there was like, it came to a V point for the legs and my wrists and my ankles were like, had these cufflink things to the table and I’m paralyzed. I couldn’t move, I couldn’t say anything.

Um, and oddly enough, I wasn’t really scared. I was kind of like at peace. You know, terrified. Um, there was a point that I was terrified, but it wasn’t because of the situation itself. It was because of something that was there with me. Um,

[00:10:29] Jeremiah: where are you kind of like, um, where you kind of trying to figure out what was going on at the time?

Like, even though you weren’t scared, were you trying to figure out what, where you were?

[00:10:41] Nicole: I mean, I kind of like, I had like an idea of what maybe was going on, but I mean then again, I never had an experience like this, so I wasn’t 100% sure of exactly what was happening or anything, you know, I’ve heard stories about it.

I, you know, had seen shows about it on TV. I’ve seen, you know, I’ve seen and heard so many different things. So when it was actually, you know, happening in the stream, I didn’t think, you know, for a second of maybe, you know, something bad was happening or, you know, what exactly was really going on. I, all I knew is that.

I was laying on this table and I was covered on my chest and I was covered on my, you know, my waist down below. And the only thing that was exposed on me was my stomach. And now, before I say anything about that, um, there were other beings in the room with me now over my shoulder to my left of me laying on this table.

Um, there was this female, like, and I’m assuming she was female because her voice was female. And I mean, she kind of looked feminine. Like, I don’t know, for some reason, like, I didn’t see her. It’s kind of hard to explain. Like I didn’t see her in front of me, but for some reason I knew exactly what she looked like and, you know, down to everyday toll of her.

And she was very human, like, um, but she wasn’t like, she wasn’t built like us, you know, like she had. Um, she had here, she was very, very tall, very slender. She had arms and legs and everything just like we do, except she was just really very tall and splendor. Now her eyes, she had eyes, but they were huge.

They were like a bluish green and her lips were very small. Um, and she had very white hair, like when I say white, I mean like whites and, um, but she kept reassuring me throughout this entire time that I was okay. That, you know, that they weren’t going to hurt me, that I was fine, that I was safe. You know, she just kept saying over and over, I guess, whenever I felt like I was doubting what was going on or I felt afraid she kept reassuring me that I was okay, that I wasn’t going to be hurt, but they weren’t harming me in any way.

And that’s pretty much all

[00:13:04] Jeremiah: right. When she talked to you, um, was it like telepathically or did you actually hear her?

[00:13:12] Nicole: No. So, okay. So I very quickly realized that what I spoke it wasn’t with my mouth. I couldn’t move, I couldn’t talk physically. Um, and when she spoke, I knew that it wasn’t with her mouth. I don’t know how I knew that, but I just knew that.

And it was literally exactly like we were telepathically communicating with one another. Like, I didn’t have to say anything, like anytime I thought something or was afraid and just had that feeling of emotion, she knew, I didn’t have to say anything. I mean, I couldn’t anyway, but she already knew exactly what I was thinking, how I was feeling.

And she would just be there to just reassure me that I was okay, that I was safe and that they weren’t hurting me. And she kept telling me that every single time that I would be afraid, no, Too at the bottom of the table at the end of the table where my feet were, um, that’s where the terrifying part comes in for me.

Now, this happened to me in 2014. So I’m not terrified of it anymore because it happened so many years ago. Um, it doesn’t scare me anymore. You know, really talk about it. I am nervous talking about it because I’ve never talked about it to anyone else other than close, very close friends and family. Um, but this thing that was at the end of the table, its face, it was a, it was a male.

I knew it was a male of some sort. I don’t know what exactly kind of creature this thing was. Um, those days of it, the entirety of this creature terrified me. If anything, in this situation, it scared me. It was that thing. Um, its face was like, like a praying man, Like it literally had the head of the praying mantis and it was brown in color with black, you know, specs here and there, or little, you know, I don’t know really how to explain the blackness part.

Um, but he had, it was brown and black and it’s faced, like I said, had the point and the head, the face of the praying mantis, except its eyes were just huge and black and, and it was very tall, very slender, just like the female, except like at any did have hands and arms and legs and feet. The thing that terrified me the most about this creature though, is that it had extended lens from its back coming out of its back that literally resembled spider legs.

They were super thing and he had four on each side and it terrified me. I’ve never seen anything, you know, like that in front of me, you know, and I don’t. Y, but I just, the look of him terrified me. It was something that, you know, we don’t see here, you know? And so after I saw him, I noticed that there were three actually like little gray aliens, like what we’ve been, you know, showed that our great Amiens is exactly what they were.

So like what we see in the media, what we see on the TV, as far as gray aliens, that’s exactly what they look like, because that’s exactly what I saw. And there was three of them and they were very short. They’re maybe only about 3, 3, 3 and a half feet tall, but they were very, you know, just calm and mellow.

They, they were involved with what was going on, but they were more like standby and, you know, only intervened or helped whenever they needed to, or when they were directed to now I will save that. The lady that was over my left shoulder, she was the one in charge. She was the one who gave the orders and everything, which I had never heard.

Exactly. What she would say to them or anything, or I never heard any noises that would make me think that they were communicating back and forth. I just had that gut feeling that she was the one who was in charge of everything going on and that whatever these beings were going to do or were in the process of doing was because she had directed them to do it.

Now, after, you know, while all of this is going on, I’m laying on his table and above me, there’s this very bright light. And it’s kind of like when you go to the doctor or, I mean for a female anyway, when we go to the doctor, there’s this, you know, the little light that hovers over this, the little bench or seat thing that we have with the doctor’s office, you know, it’s kind of like that, but it’s, you know, slightly different and, um, it’s very bright.

And as I’m laying on this table and I look up at the light, like I said, my stomach is exposed and, um, There’s this little ring thing. Like this machine comes in and on this machine, there’s this little ring attached, but it’s like a little circle. And in that circle, um, from the machine drops, it’s huge like needle.

I mean, that’s all I can explain it to be. Was this just a very, very long needle is huge. Uh, it wasn’t thick, but it was just very long. And as this needle dropped through the ring, it, they inserted it into my belly button. And like I said, I wasn’t really terrified. I didn’t feel anything other than just pressure, but it wasn’t like I kind of pushed that hurt.

It was just like kind of uncomfortable. So after all of that, I woke up, you know, the next day and I’d go and I’d take a shower. And I had like this sensational, my arm that I, you know, it’s kind of hard to explain the feeling of it. It didn’t really hurt, but it didn’t really, you know, it wasn’t didn’t feel great either.

And I had noticed that I had three dots on my arm and when I looked at it, it kind of resembled like a burn, like exactly. Like when you burn yourself, it looks like a burn, except it looks like a burn that had been healed up already, you know, somehow. Eventually it actually went away, but the burn, like this thing itself was three dots.

If you connect to the dots, it, you could literally make a perfect triangle out of these thoughts. Over time it went away. It was like, it was there one minute and it was gone the next. And now the one thing that other, there was two things, two physical things that made me think that maybe this just wasn’t a dream that triangle the dots and my arm was.

Thing that made me think that this wasn’t really a dream. And then the second thing was that I had actually went to go shower while my son slept the next morning, FN him. I laid him back down to sleep. And as he slept, you know, I put him in his bassinet into the bathroom with me and I took a shower and hasn’t taken a shower.

You know, everybody’s different. Everybody has their own ways of washing and whatever. Well, I always watched my belly button just because I’m, you know, fat, pristine. And I had watched my belly bending in the process of washing my belly button. I actually had one at having a scab come out of my belly button and my belly button naturally started to bleed very little.

And so at that point I was kind of starstruck. I was like, you know, how, how did this happen? Was flabbergasted. Didn’t understand what was going on. It kind of made me rethink all of it made me really think that maybe that actually did happen to me that it wasn’t just a dream. But like I said, this happened in 2014.

So for the last eight years I have five. You know, I’ve gone crazy at times. I’ve seen lights me thinking about it, you know, did this really happen? Was it a dream? Did I go crazy? Did I imagine this thing? You know? And so when I heard Adrian story, I was struck, I was like, you know, I felt relieved in a sense, but also terrified because as I’m, because I’m a mom and I was doing laundry, cleaning the house and everything always listen to podcasts.

I listen to different podcasts all the time. And so when that particular podcast came up, I was actually in, I was folding laundry and dealing with my kids and I literally stopped everything. As soon as she started to talk about her encounter, I saw everything I was doing and I stepped outside and I listened to her and I was so shocked of the similarities.

From my story and hers. And the thing that got me the most was not only the encounter itself of the details of the encounter, but also the fact too, that the most shocking part of the encounter that I had was that actually two weeks from the day that I had that dream, I actually found out that I was four weeks pregnant with my middle son, and I’m also RH negative.

And he was also the only child that I was pregnant with. Cause I have four children of my own. He was the only pregnancy that I had that I had no complications with at all. And if anybody knows anything about RH, negative and pregnancies within women, it actually creates a lot of problems for our pregnancies.

Your body actually tries to get rid of the baby unless they are RH. No. And so with my first son bringing, he was a preemie, like I said, I had so many complications with him. I was on different kinds of shots. I was on different types of medications. Um, the reason why he was premium was because I had to be induced because it had gotten to the point where my body was trying to get rid of him to the point where we had to, I had to get induced or I was going to lose him.

Um, and then with my middle son, like it said, it was the perfect pregnancy was the only one that I had that I had, didn’t have to take shots, but I didn’t have to be on medications with. And not only that, um, me and his father, we haven’t been together in, you know, five years, five and a half years. And, um, me and his father have debated on whether or not we wanted to let him skip a grade in school or two, because he is so intelligent.

He is the smartest child that I have. And they’re all smart in their own ways, but my middle son is beyond intelligent. This child. He’s about to be seven. And he is so smart that he used her passing, even children that are older than him. He gets bored in class. The things that they like, the math and the science and stuff, he already knows it all.

It’s like as if someone had already taught him all of this and he gets bored and he gets frustrated and sometimes we get phone calls from the school telling us, you know, Hey, like we don’t really know exactly what to do. And when we tell them to challenge him, he already knows it. He already knows the challenges.

He already knows things that are above his grade level. And it’s, you know, I’m not saying that it’s uncommon for children to be this intelligent, but for my son to, you know, not have, you know, as far as I’m concerned, he doesn’t have, you know, I worked with him when he was, you know, before he started school, I worked with him, taught him letters and alphabet and stuff.

And his brother, my, my son that was a preemie, had to go through speech therapy and stuff like that. But not one time did we ever teach math or science or chemistry or anything like that? And my son already knows a lot of that. He knows science, he knows math. He knows multiplication. I mean, like he knows things that other children older than him don’t even know, you know, like it’s, it’s insane to think that, you know, and me and his father had talked about that his father knows, you know, the situation.

Cause like I said, and with him being gone from work during this entire, this thing encounter that same day, I called him and I told him about what had happened. Then whenever we found out that we were pregnant, we had talked about it again. I was like, you know, it’s kind of very coincidentally that that happened to me.

We found out two weeks later that we’re pregnant with, with another child. Had no clue that I was pregnant during the encounter. So, with everything, when you piece everything together, it’s kind of very hard for me to believe that they didn’t do something to my child during that encounter.

You know, I’ve ha I’ve heard so many people think or say that no, that maybe, um, they’re doing something to hurt us or, you know, different things that, you know, perspective. But the thing is, is to me, I have that feeling the entire time during the encounter and even thereafter that they weren’t doing anything to hurt me, that they were actually doing something to help us to help my son and to help me along throughout my pregnancy.

I mean, I don’t, I don’t have any other, any other explanation other than that, because like ending with the only pregnancy I had, that I had no complications with, it was the literally the perfect pregnancy. Now my son being as intelligent as he is, and I’ve heard so many different, you know, Stories or other female stories, having these encounters where they’re RH negative, where they’re pregnant, where they have had complications.

You know, there’s so many similarities to not only my story and Adrian’s story, but other women’s stories as well. It makes me think that maybe they are doing what they’re doing to actually help us become advanced, help us by generational. You know, things that they’re doing is to help our children, you know, be intelligent, be smarter than what we are.

Because if you look back in history, there are so many, you know, civilizations that are, you know, more advanced than what we were led to believe for so long. And these scientists are discovering, you know, more and more over time that these civilizations are far more advanced than we ever thought. And so it makes me wonder, you know, what if that’s exactly what’s going on with us?

What if they are, you know, it’s not really, I don’t want to say experimentation. I don’t know where they were to use really, but what if they’re doing what they’re doing to help us not hurt us, you know?

[00:27:39] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s definitely, definitely an option. As far as the RH negative blood type goes, like, I know that is a lot, I think it’s a large percentage of adult T’s have that RH negative.

The pregnancy thing, my fiance, she actually has orange negative and she had a bunch of issues with her, one daughter pregnancy that her body was trying to terminate it basically. It’s definitely, I don’t really believe in coincidences. So, you know, having that experience and then finding out you’re pregnant two weeks later is, you know, kind of a coincidence and, um, yeah.

And then afterwards, like his development. Pattern, maybe they did do something. Maybe you were already pregnant and they just tweaked something or did something to make him more advance. Yeah. And then maybe who knows, maybe once he grows up, he’s going to invent something that will be like life-changing or something like that.

[00:28:54] Nicole: I mean, I just, I always had this feeling from the moment that he was born, even, even while I was pregnant with him, that he was, he was going to do something, you know, when he got older that he was going to be that one child of mine, that would be very, very bright, which, you know, every child has their own, you know, their own personalities, their own traits, their own, you know, everything.

And for some reason, reason, my son, when he was born, I just felt, I just had that feeling in my gut and in my heart. That he was destined to do so much. It’s something very important. And I could never really figure it out. Of course, you know, I won’t know until he’s older, because like I said, I mean, he’s about to be seven.

So I mean, but if I had one child that would, you know, which I hope that all of my child, my children, you know, succeed in life and become, you know, very important figures. But for some reason, if I had one child out of my Ford that I knew without a shadow of doubt that would succeed with no problems would be him.

He would become the one that was the scientist or the doctor or the, the surgeon, the lawyer, you know, I always knew in my heart that he was going to be the one out of all four, that would become, you know, or Suprax, you know, whatever I thought he could possibly do. You know? And I can’t explain why I’ve always felt that, you know, uh, you know, another thing is, is outside of.

You know, I had, when I was listening to Adrian’s podcasts, I had, you know, or whenever you guys had the podcast and she was talking about her encounter and she had talked about talking to that researcher and the researcher had said something about her maybe being a hybrid or something, you know, I don’t think, I mean, I’m not entirely sure because I don’t know anything about that, but, um, I don’t want to call myself a hybrid.

Um, but there’s always been a part of me that has always felt like I really just was at a place. Like I didn’t really belong here. There’s always that tiny part that just always felt like I just never really fit in here. I don’t know if that’s how maybe she feels as well. As far as intergenerational thing goes, I will say too.

Because I also, you know, had heard her talk about how, you know, the, the, during her encountered the. Over her head told her that, you know, her daughter was going to be next in line to go through this and things like that. Now I will say that the being that was with me, didn’t tell me that, but I will say that out of four of my children, I have three boys and one girl.

My girl is the only one who has already each negative factor. So, I have had family and friends asked me, you know, like, are you afraid that maybe something like this would happen to her and she’s over or anything like that? Honestly, my answer is no, I’m not because I don’t think for a second that they’re doing anything to hurt as because honestly, if they really wanted to hurt us, they would make it known they would do something to hurt us.

They’re not. Um, and not only that, but there’s so far. More advanced and we are, so, I mean, if they really wanted to do anything to really hurt us or harm us or get rid of us, I mean, I really do think that they would, you know, and the fact that they haven’t and the fact that if you look back on history and you see all of the evidence that shows that they’ve actually, you know.

All these civilizations that have, um, you know, are spread out all throughout the world and have all simultaneously over time, come to the same knowledge as each other, without having interactions with one another or ever meeting each other kind of baffles me and makes me think that maybe these beings or the aliens, you know, whatever you prefer to call them are actually here to help us become advanced, to help us advance in life.

And, you know, in my honest opinion, that’s honestly how I feel. I do not think that they are here to harm us. Um, There’s so much evidence that proves that, you know, and there’s so many close minded people that are not willing to hear it, not willing to, you know, even look at the proof that’s in front of them.

We have so much of it that it, it can make a person go crazy, you know, when you really think about it. So, you know, I was talking to my best friend about it this morning, and there’s just so many questions that we have that are answered. We’re probably never gonna to get the answers until our time is probably over, you know?

Um, but I feel like there’s a lot, we don’t know, and humans are very, you know, easy to call something crazy or insane to something we can’t explain to the unknown. And there is that, you know, that quote that says anything is possible, you know, and, and a lot of people use that quote, like it’s nothing, but in reality, that is actually.

You know, the truth of life, anything can happen. Anything is possible. And I think with not only my encounter, but with other people’s encounter, it’s very possible that this is happening, you know, to thousands of people, you know, there’s been so many encounters that have happened and a lot of people dismiss it.

Like we’re just crazy. Or, you know, we have people that try to, you know, put other people on Hutch, you know, not to talk about it. Feel like at one point in time, eventually there’s going to come a time when it becomes the normal that people are going to be able to come out in public and talk about these things that have happened to them.

It’s because it’s going to become a wide known thing and people aren’t going to be afraid of it anymore. And, I feel like, you know, one thing that the public or the, you know, the government or anybody like that, uh, fails to realize is that there’s so many people. You know, throughout the world that believe in this, that have, you know, that feeling that we’re not alone and aren’t really afraid of it.

They just want the answer, they want the truth and we’re probably, you know, we might not ever get it, but I also have that feeling too, that eventually there will come a time that we will get those answers, that we will be able to openly talk about these things and not be, you know, criticized or discriminated against or called crazy, you know?

[00:35:42] Jeremiah: Yeah. We’re definitely at a, um, pivotal point in society. And I feel like this kind of stuff is becoming more acceptable, like you said. And I think with all these government documents being leaked and put out to the public and stuff like that, I think it’s creating more awareness. People are more open to hearing about these types of stories or these encounters and UFO’s and abductions and all that stuff.

Like I think they just said that they’re going to release more UFO information. So they’re definitely, and then during the pandemic, they released a bunch of information about UFO saying like, oh yes, they’re actually a thing, but we’re just looking into it. We’re not claiming what it is or whatever, but they’re at least acknowledging that there’s some things that are going on that they have no idea what they are.

So I think the more, and then you have great things like podcasts and stuff that are a platform for people to talk. And I like that my podcast lets people share their experience and without a judgemental type of thing going on and. You know, your story does have similarities to Adrian’s as well. And a lot of UFO abduction stories seem to be very similar or have slight differences.

So is it all these people are just making this same thing up, but I don’t think so. I don’t buy that. Um, and then the whole thing with the RH negative blood and all, it seems to be a commonality. And then you have the mantis beings and the grays and all that stuff. Now, when you were in that metal room, um, did you know you were on like a spaceship and did you see any type of like markings or did the Manis or the gray say anything or was it just a female lady?

[00:37:44] Nicole: No, the only thing that I heard, you know, speak or communicate with me was that the lady or the female. Now the grays and the mantas. Caught Colin mantis. Don’t know what else to call them. I don’t know what the races are. I haven’t really looked into any, any of that. Um, I know the grays because those are, you know, the most commonly known alien.

Um, but she’s the only one that actually communicated with me. I did not hear, like I said earlier, I did not hear them communicate with each other or, you know, the grades where the main tools communicate with me. Um, I just know that she, I know, I just felt like she was communicating with them, um, on their own kind of frequency, I guess, because I couldn’t hear it, but they would, you know, kind of intervene or kind of help here and there, you know, kind of, I don’t know, it was very small things like, you know, like one would cover this one would cover that on my body or, you know, one would pull something, you know, it wasn’t, it wasn’t a very big.

Big deal that they were doing this. It was, it seemed like something that they had done very often, something that they had done almost like every single day, multiple times a day, honestly, because it was so pristine and perfect. Like just the whole, um, the, the way that they were doing everything was, it was so precise.

Like they had done this so many times. It was like, they had, you know, like when you go to work and you have a certain, you know, certain way that you’re supposed to do things is like that, like they knew exactly what they were doing because they had done it so many times before that it was just kinda, it was kind of natural to them.

You know, now, as far as the room goes, as far as I know, as far as what I could see, because like I said, like I was on this table, like I literally just appeared on the table. I did not, I, it’s not like I walked into this room or anything, you know, not that I remember. And, um, It’s literally just embeddable, circular room.

I knew that the circular, just because of the way it looked, I could tell that it was just a circular room and the walls were metal. Now whether or not it was a space ship. Can’t really, you know, I can’t say that. Don’t want to say it was because I don’t know. Um, but I mean, I would assume it might have been, but I’m not entirely sure either.

Um, now, you know, one thing that a lot of people that had these encounters also have in common to you is the fact that we all are most of us who haven’t gone under a hypnosis, we always feel like we want to do it, but then we kind of suppress our feelings on it because we’re kind of, you know, scared or terrified to maybe relive that again.

I don’t know if I would ever do it honestly, just because I feel like, you know, me being a mom and everything. I would have more questions than answers if I did that. And I’m not saying that it would terrify me, but you know, just like any normal person, your spirit of the unknown. And I feel like, you know, about was to actually happen to me if I was to go under a hidden hypnotic state and literally remember detail by detail, every single thing that happened to me during that encounter, I don’t think I would be the same after that.

I think that it would affect something within me that I would just, you know, I’m not saying that I would go insane, but I feel like there’s a part of me that would not be the same, you know? Um, and that’s what I’m scared of the most. And so as far as hypnotic state goes are probably would never do it. Um, I feel like what I remember is enough because, you know, hearing Adrian story and the fact that the being had told her that she wouldn’t remember and she did anyway, I think they kind of under.

How our brain works. I don’t, I think that that’s another reason why they do the things that they do, because they don’t quite understand how our brain works, because there’s so many things that happens within our brain. We only use what, you know, 5% of our brain or something like that. So, I mean, there’s a huge capacity of our brain that we don’t even use.

We don’t even have access to. So, you know, if we’re able to, you know, we’re being told, oh, Hey, you’re not going to remember that. And we do anyway, that’s kind of proved you wrong. You know what I’m saying? So maybe that’s why they’re doing all of these different experiments, trying to progress our civilization, trying to make us more advanced, trying to see how far they can push us, you know?

Um, and for me, I mean, like there’s different encounters as well. Just like mine where you, you, we assume that it’s a dream state, that it was just a dream. And then we have other people that have the similar, you know, encounter just like me and Adrian. Where it’s different or, you know, like the situation is different.

Hers was a physical and mine was more of a dream state, but they literally matched each other. So that kind of ruled out the fact that mine was a dream state or hurt, you know what I’m saying? Like it’s that on that level was different. Um, so it kind of rules out that possibility of it just being a coincidence because I’m sorry, the two people that had never met each other don’t know, I don’t even know the throw.

I don’t know what she looks like. I, you know, this happened to me 2014, so this was eight years ago. And so I don’t know how long it had been for her to come out and talk about it for her. But I do know that there’s not a coincidence between that, that two people can have the same exact encounter just about with this same, you know, you know, the fact that she’s, she was pregnant and I was pregnant.

The fact that we were both RH negatives, you know, the fact of, you know, just everything, every bit of detail within our encounters was. Literally identical down to what these things look like and the rooms we were in. And so it’s not a coincidence to me. Everything is a, is a possibility. Anything is possible, you know, in this world.

And I’m sorry, but we are not the only things here. There’s so many, you know, different things out there that we have no knowledge about. You know, we are only one planet in a solar system with 10, a universe within millions of other universes, you know, so it’s not, to me, it’s just, it’s almost stupid and dumb to think that we are the only things here, you know,

[00:44:09] Jeremiah: Have to ask this. I asked everybody that I have on about aliens and stuff for your personal view and opinion. Uh, what do you think the aliens are and what do you think they’re trying to accomplish? Or, even if you don’t know. You can say you don’t know. But like, what would be your inkling of what the whole alien abduction ex uh, phenomenon is about?

[00:44:40] Nicole: So, I have, I do have opinions and thoughts of my own, um, but it kind of goes into, um, you know, different, different theories. And, um, it’s kind of hard to explain it because, you know, a lot of people would be like, oh no, you know, like that, that can not be it. You know what I’m saying? Um, and you know, I know.

I’m kind of scared to really talk about that part. Only because, you know, it involves religion. A lot of people are very, you know, stern with their religion and no coming from someone, myself who was, you know, a Christian for two years. Like, you know, I’d always had an interest in Christianity. But for two years, I completely and solely devoted myself to God.

And, um, did everything, you know. I lived alive for two years without saying I did everything I possibly could to, you know, be that. That perfect Christian, you know? One thing I will say is that, you know, um, things that you go through in life kind of change your perspective on religion.

Now I’m not going to say that I’m, you know, there’s not a part of me. That’s not a Christian anymore because there’s a part of me that still believes. Um, but there’s also a bigger part of me that also believes in. More of the unknown. Like for example, like, you know, um, we have, you know. The Bible and in the very first book of the Bible, it talks about how God creates us.

And, um, the one thing that stuck out to me after all these years of going through that encounter and the things that I’ve seen on movies and TV and other people’s encounters and hearing and seeing all of these different things from different people is that the Bible says, you know, let us create men in our own image.

You know, let, like, as from God, let us create man in our own image. So what does average mean? You know, what does the word hour mean in that sentence? Because to me, you know, a lot of, a lot of people speculated. A lot of people think that the word hour in that sentence means the holy Trinity, the father, the son, the holy spirit.

But when. What if it’s not the holy Trinity, what if it’s something else that we don’t know yet? What if it’s something that, you know, we’ve experienced, but can’t explain. I mean, there’s so many possibilities out there. And to me it is, you know, I’m a very open-minded person. And so, even though I have gone through that phase of devotion to God. I know the Bible a lot better than most people around me.

I’ve done so much research and read and read and read. I’ve never read a book or research to have more than the Bible I read a lot. When you open it, and you read a lot of the things in there. A lot of the different stories, and it makes you wonder, it really does and makes you ask more questions.

’cause, you know, a lot of people sit there and say like, a lot of Christians will sit there and say, if you want answers to questions about the Bible, you have to look in the Bible. But the thing is though, is I’ve researched and I’ve researched and I’ve read and read and read, and there are more questions than answers in that Bible.

And there are more situations from the stories and those end up in the Bible that makes you really wonder and ask yourself what is actually happening within those stories, you know, and makes you kind of want to be in that person’s shoes to kind of figure out exactly what they saw, what they went through.

You know, there’s, I mean, we have, you know, Moses and the flood you have, um, not Moses and the flood Moses and, you know, partying the red sea. You have Noah and the flood. The arc you have, you have so many different things. You have Samson and his strength out of nowhere, you know, God gave him strength, you know, with his long walks of hair, you have so many different stories in the Bible with all these supernatural gifts that us humans do not have.

I’m not saying that every single person is supposed to be a prophet. But where on earth here now, do you see someone with any of that gift? Even the most religious people don’t have those gifts. And, I see their gifts because they are, I mean, you, we, everybody has their own, you know, their own way of doing things.

Everybody has their own, you know, like spiritual connections. Spiritual things that they do. Uh, their own little gifts. But not anything so supernatural that you can part a red sea or that you can, you know, build a. Uh, boat within, you know, so many years. Um, I don’t, I can’t explain a lot of it. Um, like I said, I have more questions than answers.

I mean, but for me, I think that they are actually helping us. Um, but see, the thing is too is another thing for me is that just like, there are good and evil here. There aren’t good and evil within their own race as well. I do believe that I do believe that. Now that the things that I experienced. The beams that I encountered were not, I felt like in my heart that they were not trying to hurt me. That they were actually helping me.

And I don’t know how I can explain that. I mean, I just felt that way. But, I also feel like there’s always going to be good and evil. Just like there’s good and evil within us. There’s always going to be good and evil within any race animals. Um, you know, other races in the universe. And I feel like. I, the one thing that at the end of the beings that I’ve encountered, I feel like we’re helping us.

I feel like that kind of extends to protecting us and protecting our planet. Because, you know, if you kind of think outside the box and you kind of put yourself in their shoes for a second. You look down here. I mean, you’re going to sit there and be like, oh my gosh, like these things are dumb.

They don’t know anything. Compared to what they know, you know, I mean, we ha we’re doing so much. I’m not a very big, you know, go green person. I’m just, you know, somebody who is just an average person, I’m no, I’m a normal average person. So I’m not like, you know, nothing against vegetarians or go green people or anything like that.

Nothing against them. It’s just not me. So coming from my standpoint, we’re doing a little. As a race to destroy this planet, you have wars going on, you have bonds, you have nucleus newts. We have all sorts of things that are destroying our planet. And I feel like these things are supposed to protect us and our planet from getting to that point. You know, where it doesn’t exist anymore. Because I feel like the human race is going to be at his own its own end.

You know, we’re, we’re probably going to be the ones to end our own civilized shaped civilization. Not anything else.

[00:52:16] Jeremiah: Yeah, totally. Um, I. Listen to many accounts of abductions, um, from other shows and stuff like that. And it seems like a common occurrence where the aliens were saying, uh, you guys are destroying your planet. The talking about living better, being better stewards of the planet and stuff like that.

It seems to be one of the main overarching themes of what people who have conversed with, you know, extra terrestrials. You know, like you said, and I haven’t even thought about it until just now. So, you kind of sparked an idea in me. It’s like, um, You know, maybe they need the planet and they need kind of us.

So, they’re trying to keep us from destroying ourselves, so to speak. Because, you hear all these accounts of UFO’s over like nuclear reactors. And in war time, you hear a lot of heightened stories about, uh, heightened UFO activity during wars and stuff like that. So, it’s possible that they’re, you know, trying to make sure we don’t do something stupid and wipe ourselves out for sure.

[00:53:31] Nicole: I mean, because if you really think about it, I’m thinking here. I mean, if you look at every scene going on in our whole brain now and everything that, you know, the history has to offer. We are not the brightest crayons in the box. We’re really not. I mean, some of us, you know, seem to be more intelligent than others. But the thing is, is, I mean, if we would stop the stupid.

And the fighting, and the bickering over this stupid things and just come together or would it be a lot more peaceful than. You know, fighting and arguing over things that don’t even really matter? You know, we’re, we’re fighting over things that, you know, are very unnecessary and very uncalled for. I mean, everybody has their own opinions.

Everybody has their own thoughts and views and perspectives on things, and that’s fine. It takes more. It’s going to. Needs to take more people that view things like that. That are just more open-minded and comfortable with the fact that, you know, they’re, people are different from one another. And people are okay to have their own opinions.

We would be so much better off that way then to, you know, be fighting, arguing. It gets people from making their own decisions are living their life the way they want to live it. Instead of judging someone or pinning someone down. Because, oh, that’s wrong, or you shouldn’t do that, or you shouldn’t do this.

You know, every single person lives their life, the way that they want to live it, every single person. You know? Coming from a Christian standpoint, every single person in a Christian community sense, even Christians You know, down to the way you think is a sin. So, I mean, there’s, there’s so many different perspectives out there.

So many different people let people be people. And I feel like it’s the sooner we realize that the better off our world would be. Then to say her and start war over something stupid or to, you know, sit here. And I don’t know, I don’t really want to go into all that because that’s a whole nother call. Me and make, you know what I’m saying, but there’s just so much that, you know, it’s, it’s stupid.

And I felt like if we would just stop and just come together as people, as humans and just work together, try to understand each other, try to fit each other in other people’s shoes, instead of letting violence overcome us and starting problems. And I really think we would just be better off, you know,

[00:55:54] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. That’s the perfect way to put it. I couldn’t say it better myself. So yeah, there’s a lot of fighting, especially in the past couple of years. Just seems heightened to a crazy extent. Like there’s such a, especially in the United States, there’s such a political divide right now. Like there’s no, it seems like there’s no middle ground. Even though like a lot of people think similarly. but, you know, they, the powers that be, you know, box us into these groups and like, if you think outside of that box, then that box doesn’t like you. And then, you might not be exactly like this other box, but you know, so yeah, it’s definitely good to open your mind and think about other things.

And even if I don’t agree with someone, at least I can be like, well, that’s your. Opinion that’s your belief or whatever. And, um, I don’t have to get like, hostile about it or, you know. I don’t have to believe it myself, but you know, at least, you know,

[00:57:04] Nicole: let them speak and you’re getting their point of view. Without, you know, discriminating them or belittling them for the way that they think, you know.


[00:57:12] Jeremiah: exactly. So, yeah, that sounds like the perfect spot to wrap things up. Is there any, um, anything else you would like to speak on? Or say about your encounter or anything like that?

[00:57:28] Nicole: Um, the only thing that I really have to say is that I, I decided to contact you because I wanted, you know, not only Adrian to know, but also other people to know as well that they’re not alone.

Like if you’ve had an encounter. You know, even though it scares you and terrifies you and you may get nervous talking about it and you may things that people are going to discriminate against you, or be a little silly or call you crazy. I feel like I feel so much better now being able to talk about it to someone I don’t even know.

Don’t know you and I. Feel better talking about it and putting it out there for other people to, you know, just for me in a way. Because, it helps other people. I am one of those people that likes to help other people. And to me, me coming out and talking to you about my experience, um, you know, Adrian helped me, you know. So, I want to be able to, you know, pass that along and, you know, let other people know that it’s okay to come out and talk about it.

It’s okay to feel the way you feel and, you know, speak on what’s happened. And you know. Whether it was a dream or however you went through this thing. It’s okay to come out and discuss and talk about it in. You know, put it out there for other people to let them know that they’re not alone.

[00:58:50] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely.

Um, I don’t want people to feel like they can’t come on and talk about their experience. I think it’s important. It’s kind of like a type of therapy in a way. To just get it off your chest, so to speak and be able to share the story. And I will definitely get you in contact with Adrian. I actually talked to her this morning and she said, I can give you her email and you can reach out to her.

And you guys can talk about your experiences and maybe, you know, at the very least get some type of therapy out of it, letting

[00:59:28] Nicole: a little bit of closure, honestly, to the both of us, to be able to communicate with each other. Not only that. Not only closure. But it makes you feel like, you know, that little voice that tells you that you’re.

You’re not alone anymore. You know, you actually have someone to communicate with and share your experience with. And, know that you’re not alone anymore actually makes a huge difference and a huge impact on how you feel. You know? And I’m actually glad that I was able to get in contact with you. It took me a while to figure out how to talk, how to get in touch with y’all, but I’m actually glad I really, really did because it kind of sparked something in me.

And, you know. Even though I have a lot of questions that are going to go on answered. I feel at peace, knowing that I’m going to help someone else. And, knowing that I was able to come out and talk about this. Um, there’s so much out there, we just don’t know. And I want other people to know that they’re not alone in this. You know, that that feeling of, you know, loneliness that I have felt in that Adriana has felt. Is it doesn’t have to be a thing anymore because you can come out and talk about it now.

[01:00:36] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. So, I will make sure to get you her email and I will. I want you guys to converse and tell your tale to each other or your experience. So yeah. Thank you for coming on and sharing your experience with me and the audience. Every time I do one of these. I learned something. You definitely, uh, put something else in my research bank, in my brain.

So I appreciate you for that.

[01:01:06] Nicole: Thank you so much.

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[00:00:00] April: Yeah, nothing happened. Yes. Welcome back. Hello and welcome to power and perspective. I am April. This is Erin and we reframe conversations, including those about technical difficulties with empathy and humor. Remember that empathy, empathy, and humor. Uh, today we’re talking about Ailey Yens, um, with Jeremiah.

Welcome Jeremiah. Thank you for joining us officially this time.

Do you remember? Jeremiah is our resident alien expert. Uh, and as, as we do first, we’re going to share our perspectives, um, by alien perspective, my perspective as an alien or on aliens,

[00:00:44] Aaron: I mean, you are dressing already terrestrial who is the little bit extra.

[00:00:50] April: Oh my gosh. That should be a.

[00:00:54] Aaron: No. I mean, I wouldn’t know.

I haven’t

[00:00:56] Jeremiah: seen him make a shirt

[00:00:58] April: like that. Right. I’m a terrestrial. Oh, that’s a little bit extra O M G. This has to have.

[00:01:05] Aaron: Okay.

[00:01:09] April: So, uh, I would say my perspective on aliens is. Uh, I teach science as you all know. So I’m clearly an expert on all things, and there are a lot of stars out there. And if every star is a sun with the capability of possibly having an earth, statistically, I would say, oh, look, there’s a

[00:01:30] Jeremiah: cat.

[00:01:33] April: Okay.

Statistically, I would say that there has to be other life, right there really has to be another. That’s that’s, this is the extent of my knowledge of aliens. Uh, I also think like conspiracy theory wise, people can’t keep secrets. So if there was actual proof, when we, like, we would know it, somebody commented on Facebook that, that the government has already said there is extra terrestrial life, but I don’t, I must have missed that tweet.

I don’t know.

[00:02:03] Jeremiah: I think that government recently said that they acknowledge UFO’s are real phenomenon. They’re not sure exactly what it is, but they released it during the beginning of the pandemic that they kind of slid it in there with the pandemic stuff and stuff.

[00:02:23] April: We’re going to give you a thousand dollars every, and also BTW aliens are real.

[00:02:28] Jeremiah: That’s exactly how it happened, which

[00:02:30] Aaron: is, I mean, I mean, it could just be a misdirect. So that we’re all, we’re all talking about that now, instead of talking about anything pertinent. Cause I mean, I mean just the nature of a UFO, right. It’s an identified. So it could still also be anything.

[00:02:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. But they definitely said that yes, there is something going on with UFO’s but yeah, it was kind of like slipped in there and no one really paid that much attention.


[00:03:04] April: I clearly didn’t. I was busy collecting my checks.

I’m straight up ghetto with my giant nondescript and collected my check. I’m a teacher. You think I don’t pay taxes. C’mon like half my y’all get half of my paycheck and

[00:03:25] Aaron: it, it, it it’s, it’s a whole other thing, right? When we’re talking about extra trip, extra terrestrial life being a statistical inevitability.

Like on a fundamental level, right. That there’s nothing special about earth, fundamentally

[00:03:38] April: speeding, nothing special. Just that there’s so many stars that could there, like statistically there were, I would imagine half to be.

[00:03:47] Aaron: That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. There’s nothing special about earth. Yeah. That’s what I mean.

[00:03:51] April: It’s but I say, by saying those words, those are hurt. I’m offended. I’m offended as a terrestrial,

[00:03:59] Aaron: sort of the religious argument against.

Helio centrism, Darren, that earth is special. And we have, I mean, I read the only thing I’ve got is I read a lot of scifi and I spent a lot of time thinking about things like the fair paradox, um, which is the paradox between the inevitability of extra trust of your life. And the fact that we’ve had no interactions with.

[00:04:30] April: Uh, well, we don’t know if we’ve had interactions. Yeah. Us

[00:04:34] Aaron: as a society. We don’t know, like, as, as, as humans don’t know, not any one person does know. And you don’t know, but we, as a collective don’t know, or haven’t

[00:04:47] April: had, we’re fairly young, we’re fairly young species as species go.

[00:04:55] Aaron: Yeah, theoretically. I mean, I have no, I have no real context other than looking at him sensor monkeys or I

[00:05:02] April: wasn’t there.

Uh, and Katie says we’re all special

[00:05:08] Aaron: and that’s one of the, one of the resolutions to the Fermi paradox is that earth is an early bloomer so that we, maybe we are the first civilization to have,

[00:05:20] April: uh,

[00:05:24] Aaron: And maybe we are yet to find or something like that has happened, but it doesn’t address it. Doesn’t address what we’ve seen here on earth.

Right? Like if we’ve had close encounters or if there were a UFO. Yeah. I think

[00:05:37] April: that’s a good point though. I never thought of that. That we could be the newest, I never thought of that.

[00:05:45] Jeremiah: Yeah. A lot of scientists like to say we’re like the caveman of the universe, but what if it’s the opposite? What if we did space flight first, then other planets or primitive.


[00:06:01] April: We always like to think we’re the dominant. Well, not, we don’t like to think that, but that’s, what’s portrayed right? That the

[00:06:06] Aaron: science is humble.

[00:06:09] April: Yeah. They, we portrayed, like they always make those memes too. Like the aliens drove by and said, oh, don’t stop in that bad neighborhood. I’m hilarious.

Yeah. So that’s a good point. W what are the

[00:06:25] Aaron: thoughts about interaction with humanity, Jeremiah, that you have, do you, do you believe in, uh, close encounters on earth and that we’ve had interactions? Okay.

[00:06:33] April: We haven’t even asked what his beliefs on aliens are.

[00:06:37] Aaron: I’ll step back from the beginning ceremony.

[00:06:41] Jeremiah: Yeah.

So I started getting into like conspiracies and stuff. Um, after I had a near-death experience back in like, oh nine, I think it was. And obviously one of the first things you go to is like aliens and UFO’s and stuff like that. And I just went down the rabbit hole, so to speak. W looked at and researched a whole bunch of stuff.

And even before that, I’ve been, uh, into like the show X-Files and unsolved mysteries was a big thing back in the day. And they had specials about, um, aliens and UFO’s, so I’ve always had an interest for it. Um, now my views of it have changed over time. And like what they are and what is going on has changed.

So I guess we can get into that if you want to. But as of now, I personally believe that they are not so much extra terrestrial, but they’re like interdimensional and. They don’t actually come from other planets, but they come from some type of parallel universe or some other dimension or something. And a lot of their behavior is very, um, matches that theory to me personally, like the fact that they can, their craft moves in ways that our modern craft would never be able to do the fact that they can pull people out of the.

Houses or rooms through the walls and stuff like that. And the missing time that people talk about and stuff like that, it just makes more sense to me after doing all the research that they’re actually not from like outer space, so to speak, but more from a parallel dimension. And they found a way to.

Rip through the fabric and like enter our world and leave our world at will is my guess.

[00:08:59] April: So I have which probably an ignorant question, because I know just enough to be that dumb. So I had, I have to find him a piece of paper. So we had, I had an astronomer come and talk to my class and he talked about, for example, Black holes and things like that.

I can’t even keep a piece of paper in my hand. He talked about black holes and things like that and how it was just like a bend in space and time, like, like this is universe and like that’s the universe on black hole, like the universal on drugs, but that’s the universe on black hole. Um, like, so it makes sense that.

Even if it is from another place, but it’s not only from another place and time. Right. That makes so much sense.

[00:09:50] Jeremiah: Yeah. It could be that too. Um, I don’t discount any theory, but my personal belief is that there, there from a parallel dimension is my guess. Um, some people like to take that theory. On the religious side and say like they’re demons or whatever.

And then there’s other people that just think they’re like from another galaxy in another parallel universe or something. And then there are other people that think that they’re time travelers from the future that are coming back to do tests on us and stuff like that. But I don’t know what I believe as far as all that.

I just have a feeling. It just explains a lot to me that their spacecraft can just blink out in a second and how fast they go. And I’ve heard accounts of people getting abducted from their bedrooms and the aliens or the grays as most of them are called. Um, just carry them out of their room, like through the wall and up into the spaceship.

It makes more sense than like a physical, like worldly being to me personally. So

[00:11:18] April: like, this is so I love when science right. Crosses what we consider. Quote unquote, woo. I don’t like that word, but when we cross the science, like astronomy talks all the time about, uh, Ben Ben’s in time and time. Not being a real thing and that we have constructed.

So this time thing is super interesting and like them being matter from a different time, like if your matter from a different time, you may not, your now physical being may not resemble what you was symbol in real time. Right.

[00:11:58] Jeremiah: It’s possible. Um, it’s really hard to say. I just know that there’s countless accounts of people saying they’ve got abducted and they were like on a road and their power stopped and they get abducted.

And then it’s three hours later and they come to, and they don’t know what happened the last three hours of their life. And it would make sense to me. That if they get sucked into a different dimension or something like that, it would account for all that time that was missing. But the time on earth might be a few seconds, but on the other parallel universe or whatever, it might be like three hours long.


[00:12:50] April: That makes sense. Eight. Aaron, are you thinking anything you were having your facial things

[00:12:54] Aaron: happen, settled down there? Um, well, so I’m thinking, I’m thinking about it in the context of like the, and it’s a little bit of a stretch of like the multiuniverse theory, right? Like thinking about the possibility of alternate human development, um, in, in the way that you’re talking about it being another dimension, like if there’s another dimension where humans.

Technology and an alternative alternative way. And that might be part of what we’re experiencing in those situations. I’m just thinking a lot.

[00:13:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause like you have, you have a lot of top scientists like Michio Kaku and um, there some others, I can’t think of their name off the top of my head, but a lot of top scientists that are way smarter than me, um, believe that there are. You know, Malter mult multiple, um, universes that parallel ours. So like I, whatever job I do here in the other universe, I might be doing something completely, completely different.

So, and who’s to say it’s even humans from another universe, they could be something else. And that’s another thing that I’ve found through my research. The typical graze, the typical aliens that people think of that like three foot tall, big guys, like little to no mouth type of a alien. I don’t really think that they are completely biological.

I think that they might be mechanical in nature or some kind of like Androids that are. To perform tasks. Um, now whether it’s from outer space or my theory of another dimension, I’m not a hundred percent sure, but it’s just, uh, something I’ve really thought about and kind of buy into is that they’re not actually biological entities, that they’re more of like a Android.

Drone type of thing that’s sent to perform these abductions and cattle mutilations and all this other stuff that’s going on. So

[00:15:21] April: that’s so interesting. We always think, because we’re so focused on like what we are ready, experienced, and, uh, caught. I was thinking of a word. For example, this is just mildly related.

So I’m teaching the kids this week about personification, right? Where we put this is an educational podcast as well, profound personification, where you put human characteristics on inanimate objects and even on animals. And we do that so much as humans because we assume everything is like us, right?

We’re like, oh, the dog is sad because he looks like this. When people are sad, they look like that. So that must be, you know, when dogs are sad, they look like that. So we put so much of what we know on to other things, and it makes more sense that we do that for alien life or extra terrestrial life as well.

Whereas it might not be the case. Um, yeah, I’m so much thinking Aaron’s space thinks more. My mouth thinks more,

[00:16:21] Jeremiah: um, Um, the problem we have with our human condition is that we like to view everything through our personal lens. And it’s hard for people to think outside of the box and accept things that might not fall in line with, you know, what our view of the world and everything is.

So I like to try to think outside of the box and try. Think of other ways that it might be, um, that things might be so, you know, most people think aliens just come from outer space where I’m like, well, what if they’re not from outer space? What if they’re from a parallel dimension or universe or something?

I just think we do ourselves, but disservice by just falling in line with our like view of the world as humans. Instead of, you know, things might not be as they are. Like to our knowledge,

[00:17:31] Aaron: what I mean, it’s all the time it’s co it’s coming. It’s common everywhere. I mean, it’s the way, and it makes me wonder if, if the other beings don’t have a similar construct, right?

Maybe that’s why they’re here. Um, is that when you perceive things like all you have, the only information you have is what, you know. So you even put that on to other people, you meet, you assume everybody kind of understands what you’ve been through and is in a similar place that you are when nothing could be further from the.

So it, it, it makes me curious. Like, if, if that’s, what, if that’s what that’s about, if that’s why those contacts are happening, trying to expand knowledge outside of the limited scope that they might have in their, in their current environments,

[00:18:17] Jeremiah: it’s possible. I’m, uh, I’m still intrigued by the whole abduction phenomenon and.

All the cattle mutilations and stuff like that, that many researchers have documented. Um, like what is their grand purpose of these abductions if they are really happening? Um, if they seem to be a lot of the abductions seem to be, um, geared towards like, um, reproduction and sexual, uh, nature, not in the sense of.

Um, they’re trying to make a porn or something, but like sexuality as in your private parts and your reproduction, uh, how it works and all that stuff. So yeah, a lot of abduction stories and people that have said they have been abducted, whether it’s true or not, I’m just going by, based on what they say.

Um, a lot of it has to do. Them trying to create some type of hybrid, uh, alien being. And a lot of it is like humans, intermingling with the aliens and creating like half half-breed children and stuff like that. It’s just very interesting to me if it’s really happening. Like, I’m not sure if it is or not.

[00:19:49] April: Yeah, Katie asks, have you met someone who, who you believe has been abducted? Have you ever met anyone?

[00:19:56] Jeremiah: Um, not personally. I just listened to a lot of podcasts and read a lot of books. So, um, just from other things I’ve heard, um, I used to listen to coast to coast am it’s, uh, like I guess conspiracy type radio.

And a lot of their stuff was about aliens and abductions. And so hearing the people from the call in section of the show and the guests that they had on just soaking in everything that was said, just really peaks my interest because I’m like, if this is really happening, what’s the end goal. Like what is their end goal?

Like. Eventually going to wipe us out and put this new hybrid race in or, um, are they just curious, like, it’s, it kind of makes you wonder if it’s really happening, what their purpose our bowl is.

[00:21:02] Aaron: Well, as a, as an absolute Sinek, I’ll bring in my absolute central point here is that, um, and, and this may be limited, but, uh, survival is, is an economic game essentially.

And we explore in order to better sustain ourselves. Um, and historically speaking is led to war and all kinds of awful things. But if you were to. Find a new species that you wanted to eradicate determining its reproductive habits would probably be a good starting point.

[00:21:39] Jeremiah: True.

[00:21:42] Aaron: Yeah. True. If they need an R if they, if they came here initially, because they needed resources that they, they don’t have available to them

[00:21:51] Jeremiah: now there’s theories.

There’s theories that, um, they. Are here because they can no longer reproduce something happened in their evolutionary, um, journey or whatever. So now they’re trying to find ways to reproduce, to replenish their own population. Um, then there’s other theories where they’re planning to populate the earth with these hybrid beings and wipe out the.

Like quote unquote, normal humans. That’s another theory. Um, there’s a ton of theories with aliens out there. Cause obviously we don’t know the true answer. Um,

[00:22:39] April: do you think aliens are already on earth?

[00:22:42] Jeremiah: Um, yes I do. Um, if they are. I never want to say for a hundred percent certainty, that things are real.

Yeah. I haven’t met one until I meet one.

[00:22:54] April: You don’t know if

[00:22:55] Jeremiah: you’ve met one? True. I might’ve, I might’ve met a hybrid one. I have met some weird people in my life,

[00:23:03] April: but

[00:23:05] Jeremiah: while there’s, you know, there’s stories of underground bases that how’s aliens like in Dulce, New Mexico. And supposedly our government is working with aliens down in that base and, um, stuff like that. So I don’t know, but I know that during war time, it seems that there was a ton of UFO activity during war time.

Like, um, When we dropped the bomb in Hiroshima and during the Nazi regime and different points of history with war, there seems to be a heightened, um, UFO activity. And some people think that they’re trying to manipulate the outcomes of wars and, and, or stop something worse from happening. So there’s a lot of UFO activity around like nuclear reactors and other, um, military installations.

And, you know, is, is it actual like aliens UFO’s or are they secret military vehicles or something? I don’t know, but it’s definitely been written about undocumented about that. Heighten UFO activity during times of war and different things that might shape our future differently. So some people theorize, the aliens are trying to contain us from annihilating ourselves.

And so

[00:24:52] April: I think if you look statistically at human thought though, like we always go to the negative. We always think apocalyptic time. So it’s like, we’re all gonna shoot each other there. I always say this. There’s no stories about. Crap. There’s another species against us. Let’s all bond together and do each other, like there’s no stories of that.

We always go to the negative. So it doesn’t mean it’s the case

[00:25:18] Aaron: and speaking to their motives, I is there, is there like in the community, is there a significant amount of, of people who believe that there are, uh, altruistic motive? Um, like you said, like preventing escalation to the point of eradicating human life, do they believe that there are altruistic motives?

[00:25:40] Jeremiah: Uh, for sure. There’s well, they’re on there’s people on both sides of the spectrum. There’s people that think that, um, Space aliens or whatever, um, are gonna end up saving humanity, um, by bringing us, you know, enlightenment and whatever technologies they have, but then there’s other, the other side that thinks that they’re going to wipe us all out eventually and, um, use the earth for other gains or that, um, There’s another one that we’re basically on an ant farm on earth, and they’re pretty much just using us as a SIM game type of thing.

And they’re just doing enough to keep us in line, but not enough to stop us from doing stupid stuff.

[00:26:38] April: So there’s definitely like what if we. The bacteria have a giant gut, right? Because our bacteria has its own Viome and it’s good. It’s like chugging along doing live. Right. What if we’re just gut biome of a giant there’s

[00:26:56] Aaron: potentially supportive of religious narratives.

Um, no, no, no. To, for it to be other potentially altruistic beings who are performing tests, if that’s how we were created, if we were created in that instance, it would be a check-in right. We’d be doing preventative maintenance for the lack of given way to put it.

[00:27:20] April: That’s an interesting duck. It also goes with what Monique said about animals, having the same thoughts when they’re captured, like from a Marine environment.

That has never been discovered before. And we capture the animal and we do tests on the animal. Like, do these animals have thoughts like this, but we kind of know more about their neurological capabilities from what we know. They don’t have the neurological capabilities, but heck what do we know? That’s what, that’s another shirt.

Heck what do we know?

[00:27:49] Jeremiah: Well, if you go to the religious side and throw religion in it, then there’s a group of people who think that. The aliens are actually like fallen angels or demons of some sort, and that they have quote unquote rule over the earth until God comes back. And then there’s that final battle of Armageddon and, um, things get settled.

So there is a religious aspect to it as well. Um, That these gray aliens are actually like some type of demons are fallen angels and they’re performing these tests on humans because they cannot reproduce or anything like that because they’re cast out of heaven or whatever. And they’re using us to try to make beings since they can’t create lifelike God that, um, They’re trying to use us to create life, but it seems to fail because a lot of stories I’ve heard through like just random people talking about their abductions, they’ve been shown, um, like hybrid babies that are like sick or dying or are already dead.

And, um, so it’s just another theory. Like no one knows for sure.

[00:29:23] April: Interesting. You would think if it wasn’t real though, right? Like that people would have different people would have different experiences, right? Like very different experience. It’s because there’s so many similarities and less, those people are like alien type people who do a lot of research before their abduction.

But if we have a lot of similarities of people who. They have not done this research have not been exposed to this information, although it’s difficult to determine that, especially on a wide scale, then there’s gotta be something to it. Even if it’s not the something we think there should, there’s probably something to it.

Uh, Jacob is very insistent upon knowing where you research your theories. I think it’s the second time he asked, where do you read?

[00:30:13] Jeremiah: Um, all my research is basically from like books on the topic. And a lot of podcasts, I listen to podcasts like all the time. So a lot of it’s from like coast to coast am, or, um, various, you know, fringe podcasts and stuff like that, because that’s basically where you find this stuff.

It’s not something you find on mainstream media because they don’t want to acknowledge any of this. Um, yeah, most of it’s from like that and just articles online and, um, hearing people’s testimonials on like call-in shows and, uh, a bunch of books that I have on the topic. And like I said, I’m not a hundred percent sure of anything, but I’m about me personally, about 90%.

Sure. That they are not from outer space, that they’re from a parallel dimension or universe. That’s just my personal belief from years of looking into this. So

[00:31:24] April: interesting.

[00:31:26] Aaron: So would there be in, in, in your opinion, do you think there would be a fundamental difference in interpreting their behavior if they are from a parallel dimension, as opposed to, uh, an interstellar being.

[00:31:41] Jeremiah: Um, probably cause right now you’re thinking about, or not you personally, but as a collective right now, you’re thinking about what planet are they from? Uh, where are they coming from? Can I beam a message out into space and get a message in return? Um, I think SETI has been doing that for quite some time.

Just blasting. Radio signals out in the space and hoping to get a response, but what if that’s a waste of time and money and resource? What if it’s better to find a way to rip the fabric of space-time and go to the alternate dimension or universe or whatever. Um, and I believe they’re trying to do something in certain.

To open some type of portal or something, but it’s a completely different, um, topic and show, but, um, yeah, just think if you waste all your time and energy and effort into looking into outer space, um, you might miss something that could be in a completely different direction.

[00:32:59] April: That sounds, I felt that statement like that.

That is like human. Human this at its core, you’re looking somewhere else. You missed something

[00:33:11] Jeremiah: like it’s totally my personal belief and my feeling. But, um, with Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos or whatever, spending millions or billions of dollars on flights out to Mars or whatever, why. Why don’t they use that money on things that we need here on earth?

Like why blow all that money on that? Getting to Mars or whatever. We have some, we have so many issues here that we can deal with and resolve with that type of money. But that’s just my, my little soap box that I I’m like. You’re wasting billions

[00:33:53] April: of dollars.

That the astronomer who came and spoke to my class, he was very up in arms about how much we spend on the Superbowl, which he’s like, it’s like $2 billion or something and they can get, they hardly get any funding for NASA to like, do these, this space for you to search or whatever. Um, just as a side note on how.

Sure primers.

[00:34:24] Jeremiah: Okay. Uh, yeah, I think the aliens got you

[00:34:31] Aaron: there.

[00:34:31] April: They’re in your waiting room.

Uh, Jordan aliens.

[00:34:38] Aaron: Well, I mean, it’s worth stating not to defend the Superbowl, but if, I mean, we’ve all met humans. If we weren’t all entertained, we’d probably be around. Like those are the two options. Sure. So I think it might be money well spent.

[00:34:55] Jeremiah: Yeah. If we don’t have entertainment, then it would be chaos. Probably it’s the same thing with the, the Romans through the gladiator games to keep the population quelled or whatever.

[00:35:11] April: As to why would the government high let’s see the government knows about this, that there’s aliens, whether they come from a different planet or a different time, what, why would the government hide it?

What’s the purpose behind hiding it?

[00:35:25] Jeremiah: Um, from what I’ve noticed is that they. Well, there’s different thoughts on it. It could be, they don’t want to create mass panic. It could be, they don’t want us to know that they have access to, um, other life forms. Because I mean, if you really honestly think about it, if they came out tomorrow and said, Hey, we’ve got aliens here and brought one out on stage.

Me personally would think that there would be like a huge chaos and collapse because like your religions of the world would crumble because people will be like, well, what the heck? And, um, you know, cause it’s not supposed to be. And I just think it would create so much problems if we actually knew a hundred percent, if there was a.

For real.

[00:36:30] April: So I now have, I literally just discovered this about myself. That’s how not religious I am is that I didn’t even think of religion and Monique. And you said that at the same time in the chat, they’re talking about people’s religions and core beliefs would be rock didn’t even cross my mind.

That’s how, you know, if you’re religious

[00:36:49] Jeremiah: and like you’ve heard like you, and I’m saying you as a collective, like people who aren’t religious. They don’t really feel like that would be an issue, but like you have some devout religious people that would, their world would be shattered if aliens trotted out on stage and was like, Hey, I’m here.

You know what I mean? Because there’s literally people that think that, um, there is, we’re the only life in the universe and the earth is flat and there was no, you know, so. Yeah, I a hundred percent think that, um, there would be complete, complete destruction in some way, if, uh, they came out and said a hundred percent error, irrefutable.

Well, I just,

[00:37:44] Aaron: I don’t like being in a position to, to make this defense, but, um, religious thought and religious belief is very, very dynamic. Right. So when, and, uh, just like before, when we were talking about like the end of geo centrism, right? Um, geo centrism is a huge. Thing when it comes to earth being special and God’s relationship with humans and all that.

And we have irrefutable proof that nothing short the moon revolves around the earth. Right. Um, they survived it. They would, there would be sex that would probably rise up against it. There would be a lot of talk and definitely now on the internet, but I don’t think it would fundamentally change anything.

I think a lot of people would adapt relatively easily. But, I mean, like they

[00:38:33] April: put it in there and be like, oh, this is the part we didn’t know. Right.

[00:38:38] Aaron: I

[00:38:38] Jeremiah: mean, I mean, it’s just my speculation. It could be,

[00:38:44] April: oh, you’re right. That’s probably, that is probably why. Cause it’s, it’s not you. Weren’t the only one that said it, that I always think multiple people say the same thing.

Like, that’s a thing like people’s, like you said, world would be rock. Somebody has a question or like, That I don’t know what he’s talking about, but also sometimes he trolls, so I’ve got to be careful, but Steven asked, uh, have you listened to any podcasts on January 6th? Does something happen on January 6th that you know of?

[00:39:15] Jeremiah: I wasn’t that the storming of the capital building or whatever.

[00:39:21] April: Oh, was it, uh, how do you know that?

[00:39:28] Aaron: That’s Stephen trolling.

[00:39:29] April: Oh, so he’s trying to say, oh, gotcha. So he’s trying to say that maybe the alien stormed the building. Is that what he’s trying to say?

[00:39:37] Jeremiah: I have no idea what,

[00:39:38] Aaron: well, I mean, it, it, it was, I mean, it’s, it’s easy for it to say that there were a few individuals that were the impetus for that whole situation.

Humans are very easy to manipulate.

[00:39:50] April: Oh, yeah.

[00:39:53] Jeremiah: Now, now you have people who believe that all our elites of the world are really lizard people, um, of very prominent figure. David Ike buys into that, that our elites are lizard people. Um, so I mean, Maybe they are. We don’t know. So, I mean, I don’t personally believe it, but I can’t say people

[00:40:24] April: suck enough on their own.

We don’t need to add lizard people to suck.

[00:40:28] Aaron: We wouldn’t be

[00:40:28] April: surprised. Yeah. But also people sec, but Monique makes a very good point about the toilet paper. She said we saw what happened when people freaked out over just toilet paper. Imagine we had aliens to the Mexican. You’re right. Mooney, Che cliche. I agree, Monique.

[00:40:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. Now we’re having issues with it again, like we didn’t learn the first time and right

[00:40:55] April: now they’re stuck out on boats. Uh, Katie asks a good question. So based on what you’ve heard of all these alien abductions, and if you were abducted or you knew you were about to be abducted, how would you feel.

Based on everything you’ve heard, excited, scared, intrigued, like what would your feelings be?

[00:41:17] Jeremiah: So I would, it’d probably be scary as hell at first. Um, I mean, a lot of the abductions are done, like obviously against your will. A lot of them are done, um, while you’re sleeping or, um, A lot of people get abducted from their cars.

Uh, this is the speculation, but, um, so I’d probably be really scared at first. And then I’d probably be intrigued once the fear, like kind of dissipated because a lot of the times, a lot of people end up saying that their experience and it positively, even though it started off like, Really bad, like being abducted from their room or, um, having tests done to them.

But there are people who said like every time and it seems like a lot of people get abducted multiple times. It’s not just one time. So like this one, there’s a lot of people that are like, yeah, I’ve been getting abducted like four or five times already. So I don’t know if they have like, uh, I don’t know, for lack of better term doctor schedule or they’re like uptime to get your checkup or whatever.

Um, but it seems like there’s certain people that they select, which I have no idea how they go about selecting people, but it seems like once they abducted you they’ll continue abducting. You

[00:42:58] April: has there been any statistical analysis on that? If there’s any commonalities of the people that they tend to abduction.

[00:43:06] Jeremiah: Um, I’m sure there has been, there’s a group called . It’s like the UFO researchers group and I’m sure they have studies done for statistics. I’ve also heard a lot about families being abducted, so like grandma got abducted. Mom got ducted. I got abducted. Seems to be a common thing too, in the abduction world.

So I don’t know if there’s something to that, like family bloodlines or whatever, but it seems to be a common, well, maybe

[00:43:45] April: they are aliens and that’s who they’re studying bloodline passing on.

[00:43:50] Jeremiah: Uh, I can’t tell you that, but there definitely seems to be methods that they go about doing this. Um, a lot of the abductions seem very similar.

Um, there might be slight differences, but a lot of times seem to be quite similar as far as how they go about abducting, you, what they do once you’re aboard the ship, so to speak. And, um, a lot of people talk about getting impregnated or in pregnant. A alien type female and then being abducted again a few years later and being shown their alien hybrid baby and stuff like that.

There seems to be a lot of people that talk about that type of experience. So it’s just very interesting whether I buy into them or not. I, you know, I, I don’t like to close off anybody. Some of them sound really. Wacky far out there, some of them seem very believable. So it’s hard to tell who’s fabricating and who’s being legit legit.

[00:45:07] April: If this happened to you, it’s going to sound wacky, right? Like I would feel crazy. I don’t know if I would even, well, I would tell everyone let’s be real, but,

[00:45:17] Jeremiah: well, there’s a lot of people. There’s a lot of people that say they haven’t come out in years because they’re afraid of the perception of them. And they’re like, I got abducted 15 years ago, but this is the first time I’m talking about it because I was afraid I’d be called a wacko or whatever.

I look at

[00:45:37] April: movies like, uh, there’s movie, I’ve watched two Michele vision clearly, but there’s like movies of even people who have like, even psychic abilities. Right. Uh, they never told anyone because there’ll be perceived as crazy or like, uh, I don’t know, matrix type movies where they can feel something or see something, but you can’t tell.

Cause if it’s against human nature or human construct, then we think it’s insane. Right. And we, it doesn’t have, if it doesn’t have a place in our little box, it doesn’t belong.

[00:46:09] Jeremiah: Yep. Exactly. Like if I got abducted tonight and told people tomorrow, they’d be like, get the hell out of here. You’re right. You’re dumb.

[00:46:19] April: They think you’re dumb. Even if it

[00:46:20] Jeremiah: really did happen, they wouldn’t believe me. No one would believe me.

[00:46:25] April: So do you think, have you, oh, sorry. Okay. Has, do you think you live your actual life any differently based on what you know, and the theories that you have of.

[00:46:40] Jeremiah: Um, not for aliens and UFO’s now I don’t, a lot of people want to be abducted.

I do not. I hope that I never get abducted. Um, I just, I don’t know enough about what their agenda is to want to experience. Because if it’s for something nefarious, I don’t want to be a part of it. So without knowing what their agenda is, I, I hope they never have dunked me, but now watch me tonight. So.

[00:47:21] Aaron: I have to come back. You have to come back on next week. If that happens, we’re real rough. Um, and it’s funny that you said that cause uh, Jacob asked if you’ve ever tried being a duck abducted, isn’t there a highway. Uh, do you know, like in that community, if there’s like a regional bias to that, if people actually congregate in areas with an a, with an intent to be able to.

[00:47:45] Jeremiah: Um, I believe there’s like hot spots, but I don’t think you can actually like in, um, uh, an abduction. Um, I think they’re just kind of random, or maybe not so random, but it’s not something you can like will to happen.

[00:48:04] April: You said there’s families, right. Family lines that it tends to happen. And so that’s that kind of construct.

So location.

[00:48:14] Jeremiah: Yeah, there’s definitely like UFO hotspots. Like in North Carolina here, there’s a mountain Ridge not far away. And they always claim that there’s like UFO lights out there at certain times of the night and certain times of the year. So I haven’t had a chance to go out there to look yet, but it’s on my list of things to do.

See if I can see some lights.

[00:48:39] April: Okay. So I have a question. So when I asked that question, Does this change the way you live? Like you said, not to UFO’s. So were you thinking of something that does change the way you live your day-to-day life? Is it something supernatural?

[00:48:55] Jeremiah: Yeah, my near-death experience in 2009, I think it was

[00:49:01] April: that I was going to come back to that

[00:49:03] Jeremiah: has completely changed how I live my life now.

Uh, I’ve changed completely as a person. Um, I used to get severely depressed. I don’t get severely depressed anymore. I’ll still have my moments, but nothing like before. Um, just my outlook on life is different now after experiencing what I experienced,

[00:49:28] April: this is not a near death experience show. Although coming at you at a podcast soon, um, can you sum up, would you expect.

[00:49:39] Jeremiah: Um, it’s nothing like wild and crazy. It was just the typical dark tunnel with the light at the end of it. And I was floating towards it. And, um, as I was about halfway up, I just got this feeling of like love and warmth and like something I’ll never experienced on earth. Like I can’t even describe the feeling of love and warmth.

Just feeling at peace and not thinking about the world or nothing and, um, no ego and just love and warmth and bright white light that I could stare into. It didn’t hurt my eyes or anything. But, um, and as I got closer, I saw silhouettes of what I would say, a humans. Um, and they were saying like, come you’re okay, it’s fine.

Come to the light or whatever. And I’m just very rear reassuring, very loving. And I just remember yelling out, like, no, I can’t leave. I have stuff left to finish on earth. And I just kept yelling at the light. Like I’m not done yet. I have stuff to do. And after a couple of times a yelling at it at the top of my lungs, like, uh, like I got shot out of a cannon back into my body and.

I woke up gasping for air and it felt like someone was like crushing my heart. So I had my brother who was living with me at the time, rushed me to the hospital and they put me on all these machines, did all these tests ended up saying I was a hundred percent healthy, nothing’s wrong with me. And then for like three days afterwards, my heart just hurt.

Like someone was lightly squeezing it in their Palm. Um, and. But they said I was a hundred percent healthy, no heart attack, no nothing. And I’m no other way to describe like the feeling I felt in the halfway up the tunnel and then like waking up with the heart ache and all that stuff. It was just a crazy experience.

So, um, that was pretty much they experience. And I didn’t know the people at the light at the end of the tunnel, they were just. Very loving, very reassuring. Like it’s okay. You can come on. It’s fine. Like just normal people. So I don’t know. It was weird.

I think you froze.

[00:52:13] Aaron: Oh, there we go. She’s back.

[00:52:16] April: Oh, Lordy, Lordy. Every time we have an episode, I feel like this whole other episode inside of the episode, right? Like, remember when the stateness was Mormon or something. Or no, like somebody had a more, oh no. The, it was the biracial growing up by racial and then her family was Mormon.

That’s what it was. Wow. Yeah. This is crazy in Florida. I do feel like the in Florida part is

[00:52:43] Jeremiah: important. Now the crazy part and the sad part is like, I don’t know what I have left to finish down here. Like. I just got this feeling that I have something more to accomplish. Maybe it’s this podcast. I don’t know.

But, um, it was just the feeling of my mission is not done yet. And I don’t know, ever since I’ve just been different person. So the huddle now.

[00:53:13] Aaron: Well, we, yeah, I think she froze again. Well, I mean, that’s, that’s one of the reasons that we, we do this is to have. Um, and I mean, people we know and, and other people who don’t have experience and don’t have interactions with people like who have had those experiences to open up their mind and to think about things a little bit differently.

So it, I mean, it could be, yeah,

[00:53:40] Jeremiah: I missed, oh, sorry. No,

[00:53:42] April: go ahead. I thought I was still frozen. God,

[00:53:46] Jeremiah: no, I was just going to say. I don’t like the current state of our country and stuff in the fact that everything’s so black and white, there’s no gray area anymore. It’s just, you’re either this or you’re that.

And if you’re that, I don’t like you cause you’re this and vice versa. And I just wish more people would open up to other possibilities. And even if you don’t a hundred percent agree, at least you can have a mutual respect for. Standing up. That’s just me. You can

[00:54:20] April: disagree

[00:54:21] Aaron: with somebody and it doesn’t make either of you a bad person.

[00:54:24] April: And like we’ve established everything is human construct. Like we created these things and these beliefs and these things, there’s so much more out there that we don’t even know. How can you say you have to be this or that? How egotistical? Or like, what do you guys say human centric? Or like, you guys say science words, but anyway, it’s like, Then you have to fit into these things.

Like it doesn’t make any sense. Also I’m starting a go-fund me support April’s internet connection

[00:54:54] Aaron: and also her library. So she can learn science-y words.

[00:55:00] April: Yeah. That too. Oh my gosh. We’re at our end of her time and I feel like we always end on such a high note, like, oh, the guy I’m just like, that just hits everything. Katie said, this is awesome. Stephen totally thinks too, your mission on life is this podcast. So we’re apparently have to keep having you on because we don’t want your life to end

[00:55:20] Jeremiah: cause.

And, um, I am starting my own podcast to do conspiracy stuff. Um, I have a composer doing my intro music now, so I’m just waiting to get that back and, um, and I gotta get my artwork, but I plan to have it up within the next month. And the podcast will be called. What if they’re wrong with the question mark?

[00:55:44] April: Oh my God. I love that. And we will share it 100%. That will be shared. So just tell me and we’ll share it all over our podcasts stuff. Like,

[00:55:54] Aaron: yeah. We’ll make sure it ends up in the description of the, of the videos and stuff. So just the app, please let us know.

[00:56:00] Jeremiah: And I also have a Facebook group that I just started.

It’s called a what if they’re wrong? With the question, mark. And I just started that to posts like conspiracy stuff on there. So if you want to join my Facebook group, go for

[00:56:15] April: it. Yeah. I have to write that one down. What if they’re wrong? They

[00:56:20] Jeremiah: like, they are wrong. What if they’re wrong? There’s an

[00:56:23] Aaron: apostrophe in there.

Shut up.

[00:56:25] April: Shut up. I know, I knew you were going to say that.

[00:56:29] Jeremiah: Well, yeah, I do plan to start my podcast and speak on various. Conspiracy related stuff. That’s awesome. So, um, I’ve dived into a lot of conspiracies over these years, so I, I’m not an expert on any, but I know a lot about a lot.

[00:56:49] April: Yeah. And we’re going to have, uh, more supernatural peeps on, because the group that I met Jeremiah in, there were some other people that were interested in sharing about things like ghosts and stuff.

So stay tuned for that. Um, I’m hoping next week, but y’all know, my life is rough. I was just in Hawaii for 13 days. And so, yeah, I know. And, but I’m on it now, like I’m on it. So, so I’m hoping to

[00:57:15] Aaron: get the, for next week, new job, new life, right.

[00:57:18] April: Oh, yeah, I got a new job too. I think I told you guys that last week, so

[00:57:21] Aaron: there’s, there’s more time.

Um, so to find out what it is, uh, make sure to pay attention to her Facebook, like Sharon’s subscribe, do all the things below, um, get more people involved in the conversations, especially people who don’t have exposure to all these kinds of topics. Um, hopefully bring some enlightenment. Uh, so we’ll work on next week.

We’ll bring you something and, uh, we’ll let you know what it is until then having.

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello!, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the, what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials. And thank you for tuning in. We’re going to have a great interview ahead with Sue Walker and the Ponti extraterrestrials and her, um, dealings with the Ponti and what she’s learned from them and what they’ve taught her. So we’re going to get to that in a moment, but first, if you could go rate and review the show, I’d really appreciate.

Also, if you’d like to contact me, you can go to the website, on the contact page, you can send me a message. I will respond in a timely manner. If you’d like to just talk, send me a idea, or if you’d like to be a guest on the show, just reach out to me on there and I will get back to you as soon as I can.

And we’re going to talk with Sue here in a moment and her experience. Don’t forget to check the description where you can find all her work and links to where you can contact her and find out other stuff that might not have been covered during our interview here. So with that, remember question everything and we’ll take it away with Sue now.


Hello, and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast. Podcast that wants you to question everything I am joined today by none other than Su Walker, who is in contact with the P’nti extra terrestrial, I guess race,

[00:02:08] Su Walker: you could call it star nation

[00:02:10] Jeremiah: , her and her husband, Reverend Otter. And we’re going to talk today about her experiences dealing with the P’nti race, and what they’ve empowered her with and talk to her about and are trying to express to the masses.

I guess you could say through like social media and stuff like that. So we’re gonna talk with her now. Hello, Sue.

[00:02:36] Su Walker: Hello. Thank you for having me on, I w I hadn’t stumbled across your show, your podcast before, but was delighted to find it. And so what your interests are. We can share to dovetail quite nicely.

Hence, I’ve been looking forward to this again. Thank you so much.

[00:02:58] Jeremiah: Um, I guess we can start with, well, you have quite a background with other things besides this Ponti thing like that. So you’ve worked with three letter agencies to solve crimes and stuff like that. Um, can you just touch on that real quickly?

[00:03:15] Su Walker: Sure. I’ve been a detail clairvoyant and medical intuitive. Now for 31 years, I started working in this area because my friends kicked me in the seat of the pants and said, you’re better than the people we go pay to see why aren’t you doing this for a living? And so my career, this was my sole income is working with, uh, people and, uh, Doing readings for them about either everyday life things or medical details.

When I was in college, I studied to be at a physician and then decided that Western medicine and I, we’re not going to completely get along. And so I diverted from that, but still use the knowledge that I gained, um, to, uh, as a medical intuitive, to look at the human body. Um, I know how the systems work. I know what the cells look like.

I know, uh, how the hormones work within the body. And so all of these things work together with eyesight or sights so that I could picture things, describe them and, um, get detailed information. The three letter agency work that I did was murder and missing person case. Um, I used to, uh, share a ride time with police officers and, and troopers in the state of Iowa, where I lived at the time.

Uh, I would talk to these officers, male and female about trusting their instincts and developing that blue sense skillset as well as working with the FBI and the DCI and, and the CIA. Um, a couple of three letter agencies you probably have not heard about. Just never knew when somebody would call me up and say, we have a missing person.

Um, I remember the night I received a phone call about 20 minutes before sunset, a two year old. Cornfield and they couldn’t find him. So, they called me the deputy called and said, can you look right now? I did. They found him and right, right before dark. So, um, the detail that I’ve been able to get and the, my ability to drop down quickly and easily.

That, that first thing that comes back is what I had been doing when I met, uh, Reverend white odder. He and I started dating. The first time I came to visit him here in New Mexico, I’d been here about 10 days and something really strange happened. Um, and keeping in mind, I’d done ghostbusting and paranormal investigation and haunted houses and cemeteries and channeling work and all of that for decades.

And yet what happened to me when I got here was very different. We were sitting in the living room and it was real close to the fall Equinox. And we were on television and a male voice that I had never heard before clear, loud, and friendly sounding popped into my head and responded to a comment that I had made to Otter.

And clearly was indicating that he was observing what was going on in the room with us. But the strange thing was it, wasn’t your usual spirit because the voice came with a specific directional and distance sense, and it came from a spot across the. 10 miles away from beneath the Sandy a mountain and it made a comment and then it went quiet and I went, is that, and it didn’t say anything more until the next day.

Then I heard if he can, same voice, same intelligence, same calmness, same comment about something we were watching on the news and discuss it. It went silent again. Here I am visiting Otter for the first time ever. I was scared to ask him about it. I thought he think I was not, but the third time I heard it, I finally turned to him and said, Hey, Otter, I got a question for you.

You ever hear a voice coming from the mountain? I keep hearing this guy. And he said, oh God, They’ve been talking ever since I moved into this house in 2009, they talk so much after tune them out. Why? And that was the first time I understood that he could hear the voice of this fellow of the same as I could.

Well, this is New Mexico. It’s the land of Roswell. It’s the land of everything. That’s important. And secret happens underground here. And I thought, what are the odds of what this voice is other than being boast or an ancestor or spirit when it’s not that is this somebody who’s not from here, it wasn’t until November two months went by and we’ve been chatting with this fellow.

I nicknamed him San Diego, because that’s where the voice came from. The Sandia mountain and San DIA in Spanish means watermelon. So when the Spanish explored this area, first, they named the mountain San Diego. And I told Otter that I was going to give the voice from the mountain, a nickname. And then I was just going to call it San Diego.

Cause I didn’t want to keep calling it. The voice from the mountain, Sandia was listening and he piped up immediately and he went Sandia that’ll work. What, and I didn’t understand until when I finally got brave enough to ask him what his real name was and where home was, he said home is the further of the two stars of the binary system.

You call Zeta Reticuli. We reside on the fifth planet there and we call our planet Pantel we are the P’nti my name is TLKM and he spelled it for me T L K M. Our language seldom uses vouls unless they are borrowed. That was the beginning of our sharing of cultural information back and forth.

We purposefully never pressed telecom for technical information. Like how many shifts do you have? What kind of weapons do they have? What’s their power source. We waited for him to bring up those topics. And eventually he did, um, after we’d talked to TLKM for almost a year and now. He entrusted his introduced us to two other P’nti individuals underneath the mountain with him.

And he referred to the facility underneath the Sandia mountain as the Sandia mountain Information Station, he told us it was one of four land-based P’nti managed information stations here on earth. And that there were also four aquatic information stations. Whoa, why are you here? I mean, why are you on earth?

He said, we are cultural explorers. And, he used the phrase that they described themselves as gardeners of intellect. And so they find. sentient nations that have potential and have not quite gotten to the point where they’ve left their own solar system and try and assist those nations in achieving what they call advanced civilization level zero.

Now, Dr. Greer of C5 fame, um, calls it advanced civilization level one, same thing, advanced civilization level zero that by their definition was if a sentience nation provides 100% of its own population with food, clean water, shelter medicine. Thing if necessary education, then they have achieved advanced civilization level zero and are considered, ready to go beyond their own home world to meet their interstellar neighbors and explore if they haven’t gotten there yet, they’re not quite considered ready.

So we’re right on that edge. Um, we do not yet provide all those things for all of our people. And so the star nations that come to earth to assist us as earth, uh, the terrestrial population usually come to help with that process specifically now about 75% of the star nations that come visit earth.

Don’t come to see. They come because of our oceans, we’re a Waterworld and where there’s water there’s life. And we have this huge amount of water on our planet with the aquatic nations, come to explore and exchange information. And so the P’nti have described all manner of aquatic explorers that you and I never see, but they’re here.

There’s multiple alien races, not just the Ponti. According

to him, they’re an information station for interstellar visitors coming to earth to do their cultural work or their exploratory exploratory work. And so if a star nation say from the Orion area came here and needed to know the latest.

Information about earth humans. What’s their technology. Is there a danger? Are they going to shoot at us? Are they friendly? Then they stop at one of the information stations for the latest Intel before they go onto whatever they’re going to be doing or where, whatever facility they have underground. The Ponti tells us that average, you can find somewhere between 75 and 80 separate star nations visiting earth, but about 75% of those are in the oceans.

[00:15:36] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ve heard, I’ve heard a lot about coming out of the oceans and big lakes and stuff like that. So it definitely makes sense.

[00:15:46] Su Walker: Sure. So that’s kinda how it started. Um, we’d been talking to TLKM for a year and a half plus. And one of his staff members who is their cultural media collector, um, they observe our media to keep their finger on the pulse of what is the earth human opinion about aliens UFO’s visitations from someplace else because they recognized very early on that Hollywood shaped our opinions.

And so the, their cultural media person told TLKM that earth has something called social media. He came to us and said, we understand you have this thing called social media. Would it be permitted for us to have an account we wish to teach? And that shocked me, but. I said, I don’t see why not, as far as I know, it’s not illegal.

And so I agreed to translate and help them word from their language to ours, some of the more difficult concepts so that earth humans could understand it or so that they could understand earth human slang, the P’nti come having studied earth, but they’re up on our current verbal communication with each other because slang changes so quickly.

And so if I said to you, oh wow, that’s cool. That’s the bomb. You would know that I was impressed by something, but if I said that same thing to a P’nti who’s new to earth they would hear cool and bomb in the same, trying to describe the same thing and not be able to get it. What do you mean a cool bomb? What are we blowing up?

How, how, why is it cool? So we helped them understand the questions posed to them on Twitter, and they helped us understand new concepts that we didn’t have any knowledge of. And they began to share. And the last time I looked there, weren’t 90,000 tweets, but almost something like that. It was a huge number.

Anyway, um, we have about 17 and a half thousand followers on Twitter now. And part of that is because. After we’d been talking to the P’nti and they’d been on social media for a year. They came to us and began to dictate a manual about telepathy because that’s their primary means of communication. And they wanted earth humans to understand that.

What, what would it would feel like? And all of the things that you would experience if you had a telepathic download so that it wouldn’t frighten somebody. If they suddenly woke up with this whole encyclopedia of information in their head, and they had no idea where it came from. So they dictated a telepathy manual.

We published it for free in December of 2017. And within three months we were bummed bar. From all over the world, they translated the telepathy manual into 10 languages inside of 90 days, volunteers did for free. So it was in French and Spanish and Chinese and just all of these major languages. And so we began to get emails, calls, direct messages, and even people flying halfway around the world to knock on our front door and say, I have some questions.

Can I talk to you? And so a lot of these people had questions in common because not only was the telepathy manual about improving your own telepathy, but it also included protocol for contact with them. How do you ask them to come see you? What do you need to do to get a visit? And so all of these people were trying to get visits from the Ponti and some of them quite successfully, we ended up having questions that were not fully explained or answered in the telepathy.

One-on-one primmer. So Otter and I wrote an addendum that we called inviting ET and that book is out and available on Amazon. And it’s all about if you’re by yourself or with a friend at your house in your garage, or if you’re with a group of 150 people out in the national park, if you want to have a CE5 and invite somebody to come see you, what do you need to do?

That’s what the book covers, what started happening next. Became a phenomena that is unparalleled. And that is that these people began to invite the P’nti get visits and look for and save evidence of those visits. And so the evidence that came in started with videos and still photos of graft, and then started doing includes landing sites of swirled grass, or indentations in the soil where tripod landing gear had gone, or it included four fingered fingerprints on the window or the dresser in the dust, or it included soil samples from somebody’s bedsheets.

But the soil didn’t match where they lived on the planet came from somewhere else, usually here, and then. We at the smart idea of app Fante if we could record them on audio now, the Ponti, because they’re a telepathic nation, don’t normally talk, but they do have vocal chords. They just aren’t practiced.

And so they sound a little squeaky sometimes until they can develop their vocal chords. But what we asked them to do was whisper into a microphone. You can whisper without having vocal chords. Can make a lot of mouth sounds without vocal chords. Could blow a raspberry or, or whistle or whatever.

So any mouth sound that you can make that doesn’t involve the vocal chords they can do too. And so now on their website, which is called official first We have three pieces of audio that came from the P’nti. Some of the Twitter followers were asking, how are we going to know if it’s that same body type patient instead of one of the others?

Cause there’s about five of them that get confused with each other. The P’nti are the fellows that have those little button, cartilage noses, instead of just holes for, um, nasal or for nostrils, um, right. Flush with the skin. They actually have a small nose like we do. And so, um, they wanted that the people who were inviting the P’nti to come visit wanted to know how are we going to know for sure it’s them.

So I talked to him and I said, what do you guys want? How about if we come up with a catch phrase so that if you say this phrase they’ll know it’s you let’s keep it simple and radar who’s one of the P’nti and a cut-up said I know wassup, so what’s up became the catch phrase and 11 hours after we decided on that as the identifying phrase, we got our first audio capture of what’s up.

It came across as

on the audio, but you can go to the evidence page on official first contact and listen to it. So right now we’re putting out a request to the P’nti that we would like, um, a video. Camera still photo close up. That that’s our next request. And so that’s what we’re working on now, a number of the Twitter followers or, um, people who have invited the P’nti who have gotten one visit are setting up cameras

that they can do the video capture. And I’m assuming we’ll probably get that between now and I don’t know, probably the end of the year for sure, but I’m hoping sooner. So that’s kind of the gist of, of the P’nti we learned that there sense of humor is marvelous. Just great. And so we were blessed with being able to tease back and forth with them and learn what their sense of humor is like.

And as a very intelligent. Their sense of humor oftentimes will include what we call double and triple entendres say one phrase, and it has multiple meanings and you have to know which one to apply if not all of them. So, um, I feel like I’m babbling asked me more questions.

[00:27:02] Jeremiah: It’s okay. Yeah. It’s a lot of good information and stuff.

A lot of people don’t know about, so it’s good to enlighten. And then, so the P’nti are like a air traffic controller of the, or as you could

[00:27:21] Su Walker: say, kind of like I had an air traffic controller as much as it is tourists, visitor information. So, you know, how, if you go from one state to another, there is always a visitor center.

As you enter into the new state there, the visitor center, it’s more

[00:27:42] Jeremiah: so have they

[00:27:44] Su Walker: been to the world? No, there’s a lot more involved in that’s true, but there’s, there’s four stations on the planet and we asked some way or the other forward and they’ve readily identified the locations of the other three terrestrial locations and the four aquatic stations.

But believe it or not, that doesn’t mean that that’s all of the locations that you’ll find the P’nti here, because there are many underground stations that are interstellar information, internet tellers, uh, facilities, where you can find a half a dozen to a dozen different star nations. Interacting with each other at any one point in time, especially if they’re all doing the same thing.

So if you go to say Mount Shasta in California, it’s an under the mountain facility that is interstellar and you’ll find a number of different ships, star nations the bar in Star Wars, like the bar in Star Wars. Otter said, you remember the, the bar scene in star wars. It’s like, and it’s honestly, that’s not far wrong.


[00:29:05] Jeremiah: yeah. Cause you always hear about the different, they have like a typical gray alien and then the tall gray and then the Mantoid type. And so there’s different, uh, races, like for lack of a better term,

[00:29:23] Su Walker: There’re Feline . Um, amphibian Repterran and reptilian. The difference being that Repterran’s original home of origin was here.

So that, that classifies reptilian, original home of origin could be anywhere else. Um, we’ve met Nagas who are, uh, torso and head that look kind of human but the tail looks like a giant snake. Um, we’ve interacted with, I don’t, I can’t count how many Sasquatch that are also friends of the P’nti and sometimes we’ll go explore other worlds with them because the Sasquatch physique can withstand all kinds of environments.

They’re also members of the galactic Federation. That’s true. And believe it or not, the Sasquatch are considered to be at advanced civilization level zero to one, and we are not. And so they are considered to be a more advanced terrestrial nation than you and I are the P’nti by the way, considered themselves.

That was one of the first things that expressed to us was that we are human too. You are earth human. We are upon tell human. And the funny thing is just this past week, we heard of a leaked source of information and I don’t, when it came out, why we just heard about it, that the DNA testing of the deceased individuals, the Roswell crashes, cause there were two, um, Indicated that DNA indicated a good measure of sharing with us as humans.

So they were afraid of the reaction that the public would have in learning that the little gray guys just like also have human DNA, they thought the public would freak. So that was kept very quiet for a long time.

[00:31:55] Jeremiah: So the P’nti are, are, they the typical gray that everyone talks about, or,

[00:32:06] Su Walker: um, they’re very, very, um, average height is somewhere between four and four and a half feet, large dark eyes with black for very, very dark nictitating lenses that retract.

Just like R as our alligators. And so, oh, they have four fingers that are each section of the finger is about twice as long as ours. So if you measure from the top of your finger to the first joint is about that big it’s twice that big in them, same thing with the second joint, same thing with the third joint.

And so you can look at the length of your fingers and then look at theirs and you’re double yours and you get theirs. They do have fingernails, they do have four toes and toenails. Um, they have peach fuzz on their heads, in their faces. It’s not smooth like the dolphins skin smooth, but it’s close to that with fine, fine hair and their eyes and eyelash.

They also have tiny, tiny, little fine hairs around their eyes for eyelashes. But unless you look close, you miss them. Um, they don’t have quite as many teeth as we do, but they can handle digesting a lot of our food, just, um, they don’t like the super spicy stuff. They don’t do alcohol very well. Um, and they are pescatarian, meaning they will eat some fish, but no birds, uh, no four footed animals, no.

Um, octopus, because they’ve sent it. And so, and no w no citations, no whale, meat, dolphin, meat, nothing like that. So. We exchange with them information about cooking and food preparation techniques. Because again, as cultural explorers, they find our foods and our food preparation to be fascinating. So what else would you like to know?

[00:34:45] Jeremiah: Um, have that’s all very interesting and stuff that I didn’t know. So I love here and that kind of stuff. And cool. Getting a glimpse into other side, I guess you could say and communicated with you at all about. Um, but the whole alien abduction phenomenon is about like why it’s happening?,

[00:35:10] Su Walker: okay. Yes. It varies by star nation.

When the P’nti come to visit you. If they’ve been following your family or have taken an interest in you, would they, or could they portray themselves as something else that they think that you wouldn’t be afraid of? Like, could they have you, um, see them as a great big four foot tall bunny? Yes. We call that a screen memory when they, they do that because when they come to visit us, they have protocols that they have to follow.

Just like any mission team of any kind, whatever their protocols are caused off here, which is why the screen memories do no harm, leave no trace. All right. So when they, what you call an abduction. They might call a wellness check let’s, let’s bring you over here and make sure that you aren’t carrying anything bad and you’re doing okay.

And, and what’s your health wise? Like? And so would they, if you had asked for a visit to the station or on one of their ships, can they drive down and pick you up, pop you onto the ship and you wake up on board having not no memory of how you got there. Yeah. As long as they don’t think that it would freak you out and cause you to panic.

Sure. But again, cause no fear. Um, as a telepathic nation, it’s not difficult for them to take control of what you’re thinking and seeing and feeling. That’s one of the reasons. The a number of people that go out into the forest, where the Sasquatch are suddenly have this huge amount of anxiety and feel like they must get back to their car right now, all the Sasquatch is gone.

You, I don’t want you in my forest and giving you the message perfectly to head back home,

[00:37:43] Jeremiah: the, uh, P’nti are they in cahoots with the government and stuff like that? Cause I’m sure people want to know what are they like are they dealing with our government and stuff like that?

[00:37:58] Su Walker: Our government knows about them and knows that they’re there.

Um, our, our tape from the P’nti is they’re not huge fans. Of governments because they’ve been lied to so much and our military in its treatment of injured or deceased, or, uh, crew members that have crashed from any star nation. Our military is treatment of those individuals who’ve survived. The crash is terrible, just terrible.

We do not treat them like people. Do not treat them fairly. Not treat them ethically. And we abscond with deceased and the living. But do we return the bodies of the deceased to their people? No. So. The P’nti are not necessarily a fan of governmental bodies around the world. And are they working with yeah, they’re kind of doing their own thing.

So do, does the government know about them? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So they’re not helping them. Re-engineer craft

in New Mexico, if it’s important and secret it underground. So here before white men came to this continent, they’re already existed in this part of the world and extensive tunnel system leftover from the last age of man, when the local Pueblo people work here. Before white man came, they were very aware and knew of the extraterrestrials that came and went from the Sandia mountain as well as other places.

And so the Zuni still talk about the P’nti in another nation that always come together to Zuni. Webelos all of the levels talk about different alien nations that came to their right. Um, I was going to get there. Okay. So there are underground here, a lot of facilities and some of them are, uh, Zeta body type and others are definitely not.

And the Pueblo people would be instructed how to interact with them and when, and what to trade. And so. We had a very dear friend who passed away in January, a Zuni elder by the name of Clifford Mahooty , who has been on shows like ancient aliens. But what Clifford told us is that the star nation peoples would explain to them how to go to a certain location in the desert, Southwest, usually in a mountainous area, time’s up a canyon and what to say and what to bring as a gift.

And then they would exchange things with that star nation. Not always see them. Sometimes they would, sometimes they wouldn’t. But, um, I said, well, what, what would they trade? What would they give? What would they get back? He said, well, one of the biggest things they traded with seeds.

And as I thought about. That probably would include animals, seeds, sperm, and egg. If I’m at nation. And I’m trying to see what kind of things were grow here on this planet versus what can I take from this planet and help another planet with that’s what, the kinds of things that the Ponti do. And so I can certainly understand when they tell us that there are some plants and some animals on earth that did not originate here, or that you can find on many worlds.

I said, give me an example. And they said, bamboo, I said, bamboo. They said, you can. You can construct things with it, like housing, you can use it as a fuel source. You can strip it and weave it and create garments and other things. So it has all of the earmarks of a plant that grows easily in an aquatic environment, or most enough environment has multiple uses.

I said, give me another example. I said flax would be one. Soybeans would be one. Coconuts is one. Marijuana would be one. And again, they were looking for, can it be used as a fuel source of food, medical? Oh, something to use for weaving or environmental fabric or fibers. And so hemp meets all of those qualifications.

And can you find it on other worlds apparently. So, so that exchanging of seeds made sense. Yeah, it made sense.

[00:44:19] Jeremiah: Yeah. And, uh, we were at the zoo today, me and my fiance hands, our family and stuff. Were at the zoo and I was just thinking like how weird humans are compared to like all the other animals on the planet.

We have to wear clothes. Have to have houses like it. Like I was just thinking like, it’s so weird how with the natural world, and it makes you wonder if, kind of like planting.

[00:44:51] Su Walker: Well, the P’nti tells us that genetically, we have been majorly tweaked at least 13 times by separate foundations. It’s completely separate periods of time, but that most of the time in their genetic manipulation, if they’ve done a splicing somewhere to significantly alter a species, they’ll sign their work, just like an artist will sign painting.

Okay. And so you can go back to the original splicing and see who did it. You may not be able to tell exactly when, but you might be able to get close to, um, back more than 5,000 years ago, there was a race of elongated skull folks in the area of the middle east, um, Egypt sooner. Tigris Euphrates that area, that star nation, um, began doing genetic manipulation that they were not supposed to do.

And they got caught at it by another group from another area of the galaxy that also have the elongated skulls. Um, this one happened to be doing studies and work down in south America, not Egypt area when the south American elongated skull folks called the elongated skull folks in Egypt on you’re doing you’re, you’re not supposed to do that’s against the law.

That’s against the rules of the Federation. Um, the first group sent, where on earth, what are you going to do about it? And essentially the Federation. Got brought in and they were all kicked off planet for 5,000 years, which is why you don’t still see them, but they were here extensively helping in both of those areas until the fellows over in the Egypt, middle east area, got a little power hungry ingredient, the two groups of elongated skull folks, it ended up battling it out in our skies.

They aren’t the only ones to have battles above us. And you’ve seen paintings from, um, I don’t know, a thousand years ago. Middle-aged that? Yeah. Then the middle ages that indicate battles in the sky between flying shit. When they didn’t have flying ships then, so it clearly had to be somebody else. So when star nations, cause mayhem here, death and destruction, whoever initiated it usually gets kicked out.

We’re considered a protected planet until we get to the point of our own disclosure and deciding whether or not we want to remain protected by the Federation.

[00:48:21] Jeremiah: Yeah. We’re like children of the galaxy or the universe.

[00:48:25] Su Walker: We’re definitely kindergarteners. Yeah. And people with a nuclear button children. So yeah, exactly.

Well, we’ve got a little bit of time left before your hour. What else would you like?

[00:48:44] Jeremiah: Um, what is, is there like a rankings of the P’nti or two who all is based here? Is it all like all of them or is it just a certain team or,

[00:48:56] Su Walker: oh, um, um, um, of the four information stations. Um, usually you’ll have, um, a manager of this information station and the second in command you’ll have, um, people who normally are at the information desk to take questions from interstellar visitors.

Okay. They come in, they ask their questions, they go on about their business. Um, you will have trainers of individuals, uh, who train other staff as to the protocols. And how do you go visit earth humans in their homes? And that’s different on every continent because culturally we’re a little different on every continent.

Um, they do, um, media expert who keeps track of not only our media, but also the slang, the common language, so that the star nations that come visit you in your home. If you respond to them with a slang phrase, they have a better idea of what it needs. Okay. Um, they have instructors for their staff as to, uh, they have an instructor to teach their staff how to download information into you while you sleep so that you wake up in the morning, feeling like somebody filled your head.

Full of an encyclopedia of knowledge and your brain is tired. Um, they have somebody who takes care of their whole fleet. All right. So instead of a mechanic, they call that person a fleet master because while the sh Ponti ships are not constructed piece by piece, they’re extruded through, there’s no space in one piece.

After that process, then UN a nation volunteers. There are several aquatic nations that volunteer to become essentially the consciousness of the ship. So the fleet. Is sentient and conscious. And the person who takes care of the fleet instead of being a mechanic is more like somebody who takes care of a herd of horses.

They all have personalities, they all have names. All have likes and dislikes. Have things that go wrong on a regular basis and things that don’t. And so they have a fleet master as well. Um, they have described to us how to identify their ships. And again, because their ships are extruded.

There are no scenes, no do dads on the outside of the ship, like in 10 iron or weaponry, um, seamless, completely smooth, shiny white or shiny. And so if you see a ship that has no, it was the chances that it’s being piloted by somebody not birth are much higher than if you see say a, a triangular ship that clearly is made with seams and rivets and has other things visible on the outside, which is likely something that we built.

So good question. What else? Yeah. That’s,

[00:53:01] Jeremiah: that’s really interesting. Uh, yeah. And then they have, I heard on the documentary from Dockside media that, um, helped you with like painting or artwork and you were able to draw them and stuff like that.

[00:53:19] Su Walker: Yes. Um, the first time I ever drew one of them, it was. Then basically Tillikum told us that in 1971, they signed a 50 year treaty the earth humans from the heads of various countries, all got together in a desert in the middle east and had what the Ponti referred to as the desert accord.

And in that accord, they agreed to give earth humans five decades to prepare their people for meeting their interests, to neighbors. And that desert treaty that they signed said that they could not provide video or photographs or technology to the everyday old lay-person telecom. They were still under the treaty when I met TLKM and he came to me and specifically said, You know that we can’t do photos or videos or things like that.

And I said, I know he said, but, and this is a big, but there is absolutely nothing in the treaty that prohibits an experience or a contactee from drawing what they experienced. And I said, tell him, I haven’t drawn anybody in 40 years. What are you talking about? He said, I would like you to draw me. And that’s how it started.

That was, it must have been 2016. And so, uh, I have spent the last six, seven years drawing, not only the P’nti but the Sasquatch to cause the two nations. And so we have a lot of squats culture along with P’nti culture, just because the population. An hour north of here, Sasquatch up in the old dormant supervolcano called the Valles caldera.

Um, that population is big and they’ve ventured down this way on occasion. So

did that answer your question?

[00:55:46] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. Um, and I do, I’ve looked at your artwork and stuff and it’s great. I like it. Um, I like all the, I like anything like alien and extra terrestrial or whatever. Like I have this, uh, I just bought it. I just bought it, uh, when I was in the mountains, but it sits on the shelf and it’s just a little,

[00:56:14] Su Walker: well, they had me try a lot of things and so.

I will, um, try a rough draft, um, like here’s back of a Sasquatch walking, and I wanted to understand what his musculature underneath the hair was light. When you draw a Sasquatch and I’ve drawn a number of I’m working on finishing up a Yaqui right now. Um, I want to grab that Yaqui that’s up there and bring over.

Yeah. Yeah. My prowl and super ne this guy.

Yep. And so this is my first attempt at a drawing a yellowy.

[00:57:04] Jeremiah: Oh, cool.

[00:57:07] Su Walker: Yeah. Some Sasquatch. I have hair all over their face and you cannot see any. Some have their forehead was sparse hair. And then the longer hair like you and I have longer hair on our heads starts up higher. We have seen Sasquatch with hair that’s so long that they braid or twist the sides of it into like a dreadlock.

Um, you will see them do the same thing with the mains of horses and ponies. They will either braid or twisted. Uh, the, the hair on the body typically, um, comes down and covers up to the, the first knuckle here. And then you might get some sparse hair and the fingers, but the bottoms of the palms, just like our palms are hairless.

And here on the underside of the arm is a little sparkle. Then here up top here. And the same thing goes for the front of the calves is full here, but behind the knee is not so much. So it really depends. Um, some have much longer arms than we do. Others are more comparable to our length. Uh, their strength is enormous.

Their speed at starting from a dead stop to a full tilt. Boogie run is astonishing. And so can you outrun the minute in your car? Yes. But can you out run them in the forest? No. No, not at all. We’re understanding more about Sasquatch art and what kind of art they construct and why they’re considered, uh, stewards of our forest.

And what they do with stone and rock and trees and soil is really astonishing. We are learning about their glyph language and we are learning more about their vocal capabilities because they can make sounds that are so old and powerful that you literally are stopped dead in your tracks, and you cannot move.

Elephants can do that. Tigers can do that. Sasquatch can do that. I didn’t know that until the punty told us and so a lot, and we’re loving the learning curve because it’s fascinating to talk directly to them. In fact, that’s what we honestly recommend. Download the telepathy. One-on-one from her. It’s free.

You got nothing to do. Study it for a hundred days, practice with feedback for a hundred days and then invite them and start learning what you want to learn from them. So if your interest area is music and you want to know about that, ask them about their music. If your interest area is consciousness, then you have a golden opportunity to have conversations about that.

So people all over the world now are inviting the P’nti and other star nations and having conversations that are very different from the ones that are, are, and I have with them and learning a completely different subject matter, which is perfect because we can’t do it all. We don’t want to do it all.

We want other people to have the quality of experience. With our interstellar neighbors that we’ve had, and we want to help them put down their fear of approaching that process and recognizing that these guys are just human too. They’re just shorter with bigger heads than darker eyes, but they’re funny and they’re fun and they’re polite and they’re respectful and they want to learn about us as much as we want to learn about them.

And that’s perfect to me.

[01:01:37] Jeremiah: And last question, um, and then we’ll wrap it up, but have they mentioned anything about, do they have a religion or do they believe in a higher power

[01:01:50] Su Walker: or they do? Um, we asked that early on also they pray, they believe in the all. And the all means everything. Every part of the multi-verse is the, all they refer to the collective consciousness in a kind of a tongue-in-cheek fashion.

They call it the soup. Meaning it’s full of all of these, of people’s consciousness. All stirring around and milling around and doing their thing. And they know that the collective consciousness, or the soup is this vast encyclopedia of amazing information over billions of years. And so, they honor the collective consciousness as very special. They do believe in unconditional love and they do have their own.

Ceremonies where they give thanks for all the things that they have. And so do they have a spirituality? Yes. I wouldn’t say they have a religion, but they are very deeply spiritual people.

[01:03:16] Jeremiah: Yeah. I was just curious about that and I’m sure other people are probably wondering

[01:03:21] Su Walker: about that too. So it’s a natural curiosity

[01:03:24] Jeremiah: because yeah, because I always hear like, well, if alien is created while I’m just saying, like, I’ve heard, like if aliens created us who created them.

So I was just wondering if they touch on that at all.

[01:03:39] Su Walker: They do. They recognize that there are many orders of advanced peoples. I mean, there are some people so advanced that they designed worlds and solar systems. Okay. Somebody’s got to. But who designs them. So I agree that the concept of the art in the huge multi-verse makes the most sense to me.

And it includes, it implies that huge collective consciousness through time and space that literally creates and shapes our reality.

[01:04:24] Jeremiah: Yeah. I believe in a creative force. I don’t know. You can call a God or whatever you want to call it, but there’s definitely something out there. Something beyond what we can


[01:04:38] Su Walker: Yup. Yup. Things are too perfect. Yeah, I agree.

[01:04:43] Jeremiah: So if anyone wants to get ahold of your work or reach out to you or anything.

[01:04:49] Su Walker: Well, okay. If you’d like to learn more about P’nti yep. Go to official first If you would like to understand more about our nonprofit and, and want to help spread the word about disclosure and the fact that our star nation friends are visiting even goes visit the infinite voice

That’s our nonprofit. If you would like to interact with them personally, and then ask them direct questions on Twitter, the Twitter handle is at Sandia wisdom. Or, you can look up Twitter sent eat tea. If you would like to see the artwork that I’ve done. Um, it’s you visit on Twitter, but it’s easier to go to my YouTube channel.

Uh, my YouTube channel is Su Walker. Just remember I don’t put an E on SU, so it’s just SU SU Walker. If you go to YouTube and look up Su Walker portraits. You’ll bring up Sasquatch and ET portraits and their playlists that tell you more about the P’nti. and, more or more about the Sasquatch. And then also some of the other art areas of things that the P’nti have taught us about.

And, uh, if you’d like to, uh, download the telepathy one-on-one primmer and whatever your choice of language are. It’s available in the documents section of official first If people want to talk to me and have me sketch. Experience, I can do that as a forensic sketch artist and would be happy to, sorry, I interrupted you.

Go ahead.

[01:06:54] Jeremiah: No, you’re fine. I was just going to say, I’ll make sure to link it all in the show notes. So, if you are listening at home or in your car or wherever. Uh, you can reach out and find all these things.

[01:07:08] Su Walker: Yeah. And there’s a lot there there’s a lot there. Yep. You can see what all the staff members of the Sandia mountain information station that we have met to date are, uh, because TLKM asked me to put out a current roster within the last several months.

And so you can see all kinds of things there. So thank you, my friend for having me on, I really appreciate it.

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Conscious Contact: Full Disclosure

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Conscious Contact: Full Disclosure

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello!, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the, what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shared.

Hello, and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast, before we get into this awesome interview with Dockside media, their new documentary coming out is conscious contact full disclosure, but before we get to that, Want to ask if you could kindly go and rate and review the show really helps me know that you’re liking the content and keeps me going to create more content.

Also, you can go to on there? You can reach out to me if you would like to be a guest on the show, or if you would just like to send me a message, maybe a show, topic idea. You can go to the contact page on there and shoot me a message. Make sure to head over to Dockside and support these guys as well.

They have a lot of great content coming out, bunch of different documentaries. We just love this kind of stuff. So if you could go help them out, that would be appreciated. Make sure you subscribe to the show so you can know when all the new episodes update. Also, what if they’re wrong is found on most social media platforms, Instagram, Tik, TOK, and I even have a Facebook group.

On there, you’ll stay up to date with all the latest and greatest stuff regarding the show and a tick talk. We’ll do once a week on Friday or Saturday Tik TOK, we’ll have about a minute clip of the upcoming Monday episode. So you get a little sneak peek into that show. So with that, we’ll get into this awesome interview.


My guys over here at Dockside media. Really holding it down, putting in work. And I think you’ll enjoy what they have to say. We’ll take it away now and remember question everything. Hello and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast I’m joined today by Chris and Tyler, they are documentary. Makers, I guess that’s how you label it.

And they are coming out with a documentary about, uh, aliens and alien contact and UFO’s and all that good stuff that we love in this sphere. So I’ll introduce them now. Hello, Chris and Tyler.

[00:02:54] Chris: Hello, Jeremiah.


you for having us on the podcast.

[00:02:57] Tyler: Yep. Thank you so much, man. So happy to be here, man.

This is great. I love what you’re doing.

[00:03:05] Jeremiah: Yeah, thanks for coming on. Um, I watched the documentary with my fiance the other night and we really enjoyed it. And we were sitting there and I said, Hey, this is something you would see on like the history channel or whatever, like this isn’t a scrub documentary or anything. Like you guys actually took time and effort to do this.

And the filming was great. And she even said like the alien parch hadn’t in there with your like, Alien costume or whatever. She’s like, I was expecting it to be like corny, but it actually wasn’t, it was really well done. And, um, so you guys did a great job. I have to applaud you.

[00:03:42] Chris: I feel like, um, that’s well, for one that’s all Adam Hartwick, uh, from shadow alley productions, who’s those, uh, local, Pennsylvania, but he is obsessed with the Silicon and latex masks.

Um, and so his house is actually filled with them and he’s designed some and stuff like that in the past. So we just, I just reached out to. And he’s like, yeah, I would love to do that. I think we kind of did him a little dirty with that one though. Cause we didn’t give him that much time and he just kind of used what he had with that alien.

The head was awesome, but that the hands and stuff were a little bit different. So when we did our next film, the secrets of the Sasquatch and he came out for that, we gave him a little bit more lead time and he like built this custom made Bigfoot costume, full body, everything incredible quality. Like it just looks crazy when you’re there in person with them.


[00:04:28] Jeremiah: so what, um, I have to ask, uh, it’s a standard question, but what made you guys set out to do this? You have multiple documentaries and they all have different themes, but it seems like you touch on all the kind of stuff that I cover on my show. And just wondering how you guys were like, let’s go do this.

Go ahead,

[00:04:49] Tyler: Tyler. Yeah. Yeah. Ma’am will I feel like.

Well, we’ll call it destiny, bro. Destiny brought all these documentaries into fruition, like for lack of a better word, because I mean, here we are April 3rd, 2022. Um, back in the beginning of August. Chris approached me. We’ve been friends, uh, for years and filmmakers, uh, and we just both independent filmmakers doing commercial work music videos, short films, narratives, filming productions for, uh, schools, colleges, different things like that.

Um, but whatever he had the idea, Hey man, what if, what if we start made into making documentaries? And we were going to do a local legend here, uh, near Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It’s actually over in Helen, Helen, Pennsylvania. And it was called the a seven gates of hell. If you’ve ever heard of that, Jeremiah, your listeners, and it’s this, uh, you know, idea on this property.

If you go through these seven gates at night after the seventh gate, you’re like instantly transported to hell. Um, so we were like, oh, we were going to do. And I happened to stumble upon Anjalee story on Reddit and noticed that, you know, she’s a former department of defense intelligence officer. Right.

And she’s, uh, she’s going, um, and giving she’s, like she said, she was going to give up. Uh, press conference in front of the Lincoln Memorial disclosing that she had made contact with extra terrestrials, you know, uh, in this mountain, in the Mojave desert. So I’m like, yo, Chris, bro, this, this lady’s going to do this.

It’s a two and a half hour drive. I’m an animal. I feel like we should pivot to this. We have to get this, the courage, the heart. Uh, to go share something like that in front of the public, in front of the Lincoln Memorial, I’m just like dog. We need to go. We need to go get that. And from that. You know, it just led to like Sue Walker and Sue Walker led to Clifford hoody.

Um, and so for the viewers out there, just to get an idea, man, we got like just this, this variety of cast, uh, like Sue Walker, she’s, uh, been in conscious contact, like via telepathy with the Ponti extra terrestrials and the Sandy and mountains. Clifford Mahoney who has actually passed away within the past, I think two or three months.

So I may you rest in peace, but dude, he’s a Zuni Pueblo, elder man, and had just history and, and, uh, stuff passed down to him, uh, regarding the star people. And he’s done a ton of research on his own, uh, uh, and noticed that other Aboriginal peoples and the. Just that a lot of different peoples and faiths have documented extra terrestrials throughout their history.

Um, so yeah, dude, this thing just conscious contact, full disclosure. It like it made itself. We just felt compelled to reach out to these people and let them share their stories genuinely with the world. Between the, the filming, all the interviews. And then Chris did the final edit and was able to interweave all these separate people and separate experiences into this really beautiful documentary that, that we feel hopefully fires people up to keep like investigating and questioning and, and, uh, looking into the mysteries of the universe.

I’ll shut up.

[00:08:49] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s definitely interesting. And I, um, like I said, watch the video and I liked the different angles you had, like the Pueblo elder was talking about spiritual teachings and stuff that he’s had passed down to him, not from written, but from oral traditions. And then the lady in front of the.

Memorial giving her disclosure of running into different species of aliens, I guess. Um, she named quite a few and, um, just her experience with that. And then I think it said that she was, uh, like in the government too. So she’s not just like some quack job out there, her or whatever. And, um, yeah,

[00:09:33] Tyler: she ran for public office in South Dakota.

I know.

[00:09:37] Jeremiah: Yeah. And yeah, Sue Walker is definitely someone I’d like to have on the show because she’s got some tails that just had me on the edge of my seat. So it’s cool that you were able to get different aspects instead of just one basic concept. Yeah,

[00:09:55] Chris: but what I think is, is also interesting about the whole thing as well.

Um, they’re all telling their own, you know, unique perspectives and stories. There’s a lot of things that come up that are similar about their stories. Um, namely like the download idea, um, the contact, the way that they are contacting, you know, extra terrestrials and stuff, they use different words, but it’s kind of like the same ideas they’re talking.

[00:10:21] Tyler: And bro, we can get Sue Walker up on this giant.

[00:10:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. The, I want to interview her because she has some amazing stories and I will put you in

[00:10:32] Tyler: contact with her. She’s did she’s like your, your grandma man? Well, I don’t know your grandma, but she’s like my grandma’s. I mean, she is a just great job. She’s a really very hospitable and welcoming, like human being.

I mean, she doesn’t know. You know, from Adam and, um, her and her husband, uh, Reverend Otter, we’re like just super yeah. Welcoming, uh, for my crazy buns to come flying in their home. It’d be rearranging furniture. And then for her to, um, Deliver her experience and story and all the things that she’s been through.

And, you know, we couldn’t even include all of it right in the documentary. I mean, she is just a fascinating, fascinating individual. And so dude, I will definitely put you in contact with her. I was just out the Sierra again. I interviewed her. Uh, secrets of the Sasquatch, which Chris is finishing editing right now.

Um, we have all the interviews, we’re just, you know, getting the, the feature length doc. You know, out into like the somewhere in the 60 to 70 minute range. Um, but we got that coming for you at dude. That was like, if this is what your, your, uh, your fans and audience are like into do, this is what we go get, bro.

Like we’re doing camp outs looking for Sasquatch. Like we like hairs on the back of my neck, standing up in the woods. Cause like I’m out filming shots by myself in the dark and like getting people with like Thermo I’ll do it. It’s just, it’s madness. And it’s so much fun and we hope that passion and energy, like while we’re not in the film, like we try and use our upbeat attitude and energy and optimism to get everybody else in a great frame of mind.

Because it doesn’t really matter, like how great your story is. If you can’t talk about it comfortably on camera, it’s really hard to make a documentary it’s really hard to, for those words to be internalized by listeners and viewers. So I think one of Dockside media strong points in what conscious contact full disclosure, uh, does a good job of, I think is, is that you guys get to see these people like really share.

Um, like their experiences and their knowledge from like a, you know, just a place of like love and, and, uh, sincereness. Yeah,

[00:13:07] Jeremiah: definitely. So did you find it challenging at all to hunt these people down? Or, or how did you contact like all the different types of people? Yeah,

[00:13:17] Tyler: dude. So it was, um, we pivoted to the.

To Anjuli when I saw the story on Reddit, this was like a week before, August 17th, when she was giving the, the, the public press conference. Um, I’m heading down there, you know, I’m going to go down there on August 17th. So August 16th, I think if you check the history books, Dockside media was born.

Although at that time it was actually Dockside production. So baby, we’re new and we’re cranking out docs left and right. So I hope that people out there can understand, like, dude, you can do anything that you put your mind to. It just takes some effort and passion and heart and just really trying your best, but you can do it.

So do we kick started it, um, real quickly? I, uh, I happened to notice then on Twitter. Sue Walker. Uh, who’s under the account at Sandia wisdom. Um, and that’s where they’re, they’re broadcasting and putting out the telepathic messages that they’re receiving from the Ponti extra terrestrials. Um, but, uh, so, um, I noticed that she had conf, uh, made some sort of tweet confirming that there were extra terrestrial.

And a mountain base and the Mojave desert. So thus like confirming what Anjalee was saying. So I’m like call out, let me see. Dude reached out like DMD her or DMM. Boom, boom, boom. She, like I said is just as amazing. And just very generous. And I don’t know if it was like, she’s like, as I’m out there talking to her, she had mentioned about, oh, this guy clipped, moody.

He’s a great guy. And you know, very knowledgeable about the star people. And, um, I’d be like, oh, that would be insane. Yeah. If I could interview him, well, dog, like I think a week or two later, I’m at like a fantasy football draft and she’s calling me, Hey, cliff from the hood. He settled talk to you. You need to get ahold of him now, before he changes his.

And I’m like, why? So, boom dude lined him up. I’m out talking to Clifford, Reverend John Polk somehow came into the mix and it’s like, yo, I’m in the same state. I will zip my buns up there and get you to, uh, and dog. And then, uh, Atlantean 1947. Um, had come across them early on, like in this process and a one and two.

I just wanted to interview them and hear their thoughts on what they had found through, uh, you know, being active on UFO, Twitter, and writing like a, uh, alien novel, uh, there’s this fictional coming up. But, um, yeah, dude, we just like pulled this thread and so here’s, what’s up too. We’ve had this thing done since November.

Uh, we wish we could have gotten it out to the public sooner, but you’ll see old podcasts that we were on. Say, man, we need 10 91 pictures to pick this up for distribution. They’re the, they’re the company that has documentaries on Netflix and Hulu have the same, uh, material that we’re making. And, uh, I’ll be damned if we didn’t manifest that into existence.

And we eventually got them to pick that up and pick up the ghost of Gettysburg, which, which comes out, uh, April 26th, um, which is another fascinating tale, but either way, yeah. When to get distribution and get it onto the right platforms, it took a little bit of time. But now that we have that existing relationship, we are hopeful that we can get these things.

Just continue to find these, these. Interesting paranormal stories that we are curious about and want to help generate additional like dialogue and interest. Because like, I feel like one of the main things that we’re trying to do with conscious contact full disclosure is like, man, I just would like the public to start talking about UFO’s and aliens in like a, in a less, um, like, like a de-stigmatize way.

We can study it more. Let’s figure this out, dude. If stuff’s been messing with nukes of people, who’ve been abducted. If, if there’s cattle, mutilations of people, if we’re talking to extra terrestrials telepathic, whatever it is like, bro. I think the more people that are talking about it and studying it, it helps us get to the bottom of it.

Time travelers. I don’t know.

[00:17:59] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s what I tried to do with my podcast. I’m not trying to preach or like be like the Alex Jones, the next Alex Jones or whatever, like, like crazy, like all they’re all going to die and they’re going to, whatever. I just like to present questions and material that makes you think, and it’s up to you to decide what you want to believe and what you want to think.

And, but you should have an open mind enough to look at other views beyond. Just what you think.

[00:18:31] Chris: Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah, we don’t, we didn’t approach conscious contact or any of our things we made so far with a predetermined narrative. We had no idea where the stories were going to go. Um, cause they’re all just their personal experiences.

And so. It’s a little, like when you’re, when you’re getting these interviews and I’m not, I wasn’t there for any of them for conscious contact. So I would just, I got the five interviews and I plopped them into premiere and I didn’t know what was going to be said. Um, so. It kind of, you know, it found itself in the edit, but it was really easy to do because there’s stories, like I said, sort of interweave a lot of times as well, and not one of the people that we talked to isn’t sincere and does, you know, they all believe everything they’re saying.

And so I think that really, you know, helps you at least keep more of an open mind to their perspective because they seem, you know, legitimate and they see. Um, passionate about what they’re saying and they’re credible people, you know, we talked about Anjalee and her, you know, government background and Sue Walker, she’s worked with, you know, three letter agencies to help solve murder murders and missing persons cases and stuff like that.

Um, so these are experienced. And, uh, that’s the thing about like the end of the movie that I was so proud of with Tyler and I, what we were able to do, I thought was a really push a very optimistic message about this stuff and about keeping an open mind to these things. Um, cause a lot of times people come to a lot of situations with a predetermined, uh, ideas or thoughts about something.

And that’s a bad way to approach a lot of things. As I get older, I try and keep much more of an open mind about a lot of things.

[00:20:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause, uh, well it does seem like the fringe stuff is becoming more acceptable. Uh, there seems to be a lot more shows on TV and documentaries and podcasts and everything like that.

Cause I think, I think people crave more. Is presented or taught at your school level or wherever university. Um, and once you start looking into it, you realize there’s definitely something more than what you’re presented for sure. So it’s good to have people like you guys that are trying to shed light on the whole situation and like, From being too like tinfoil Hatesh or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean,

[00:21:08] Chris: um, the other thing we do, you know, I come from narrative filmmaking background and I love scifi movies and I love horror movies. I’m more way more of a skeptical person than Tyler’s. Um, I think that helps in so far as when we’re making these things. We’re also trying to make it interesting and compelling because like Tyler said, if you just get someone up there talking head who’s dull and boring, it doesn’t matter what they’re saying.

It’s going to be hard to. Take that in, if it’s, there’s not a level of entertainment value to it. And so I think, I think conscious contact and I think so far everything we’ve made is a good mix of that entertainment and interesting storytelling that is, um, you know, interesting, hopefully to people who have very little interest in alien stuff.

Maybe they don’t believe maybe this make them a little bit more open-minded, but also if you are already into this kind of stuff, Maybe there’s some sort of new nugget of information that you haven’t heard before.

[00:22:07] Jeremiah: I think Tyler wanted to say something.

[00:22:11] Tyler: Ah, man, I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t, um, I don’t know where my head was there for a second.

Uh can’t dude, we all like you, I just, yeah. I’m open-minded man to a lot of stuff and I think it’s. Like stuff, that stuff that the crazy people were talking about a hundred years ago, like a lot of that stuff is yup. Has come true today. So who knows, man, what is going to be going on a hundred years from now?

Cause like when we go from pond to PS five in our lifetimes, uh, and PlayStation, VR, and. Dude, it just it’s mind boggling. So man it, and another 30 years alone, like I won’t be surprised if somehow like actors, like people acting or done away with, can we just like an algorithm create like a deep fake or a person that they know is appealing?

To people and craft the person. Like, can you just do that and know, and be indistinguishable, you’re not paying them anything like, uh, and stuff with like nanotechnology and Neurolink and all these fascinating things that we are just starting to discover like, yeah, this is nuts. I got my son’s eight years old, bro.

I won’t be surprised. If my son never has to learn how to drive, right. Say eight years from now, everything is just yet, like, if everything is, is, uh, um, electric cars or whatever, with, with like autopilot and you’re using. GPS and the cameras and all that feedback, like in theory, bro. Yeah. A computer can run all of those things on a highway and get everybody from point a to point B way safer than any of us can.

So at some point I feel like we’ll relay. Yeah, we just won’t be able to drive ourselves. So that’ll be nuts. Maybe my son never has to take a driving test other than, Hey, can you hold your hands at this? Or they might not, they probably won’t even want you to put your hands on there. You’re like a liability, right?

There’ll be like, no, dude, you need to have your hands on a video game or be distracted because if you try and control this car, the only thing that could happen is something bad. We got this shit covered. Um, so with machine learning and everything like that. Yeah, dude, I think, and quantum entanglement and like spooky action at a distance.

And like, I can spin an electron here and, and there’s an electron spinning at the exact same time over in your, in your podcast room simultaneously. Like the other way, like something is connecting those two points in space, right? We can’t say. But I can’t see the wifi signals going through my body right now either, but it doesn’t mean they’re there.

They’re not there. So like, um, yeah. I just think you need enough knuckleheads like me and Chris looking into this stuff and trying to bring it to the masses in a way that’s like, yo, this looks up, I can feel comfortable talking about some different experiences, iPad, and as people start sharing that.

Maybe we start, like I said, getting more like scientific research and getting just more clear answers. Um, because dude, like, it still blows my mind that the government was spending millions of dollars for like 20 years or whatever, studying remote viewing. Like if there’s nothing to it, brown, what a waste of time and money.

Why do that? So. I don’t know how do we get public study and public funding of that stuff. And I think things like the James Webb telescope and, um, uh, what’s the, uh, man I’m drawing a blank on, on what the project is or a project. Yeah, the Galileo project, like dude, as we start getting. More scientifically or scientific minded people looking into this on a larger scale.

I think we get, we get some like cool answers and who knows, who knows what those answers are like? My man, John Ramirez for a retired CIA officer that I interviewed for our upcoming documentary in plain sight, the intelligence community in UFO. Bro. He speculates were hybrids, man, that at, at the bodies, at the, that the alien bodies found at the Roswell crash, uh, they found that like their DNA like shared human DNA.

It was in the human genome. And it’s like, yo, that makes you wonder. Yeah. Could it be hybrids?

[00:27:20] Chris: And then we talked to, um, Tom. Uh, who is an author who researched Roswell in depth and he, he pushed back on that notion, but then also brought up the possibility of them being temporal terrestrials I think was his wording

[00:27:38] Tyler: or they’re right.

[00:27:40] Chris: Extra temporal. Yeah. And so there could be a potential. Yes, I believe that was his wording. Um, and that was a new concept. I hadn’t, hadn’t heard before. That was really interesting. I mean, it’s essentially travel. Through time in some way, because of how you would have to traverse the long distances of space, full space in some ways, but in doing so you’re essentially time-traveling.

So there’s just so many interesting things brought up and that they all lead to something else. And, you know, spider web out, as we meet these people, cause we met Tom Kerry and he leads us to somebody else and somebody else and somebody else that just keeps

[00:28:19] Jeremiah: going. Yeah, it’s definitely a fun ride, especially doing this podcast because I’ll talk to you guys and you’ll hook me up with someone and then that pursued a paranormal podcast.

Hook me up with you guys. And it’s all like a big network. And I just love getting all the different minds and picking up people’s minds and seeing what what’s out there. Because if I just stay with what’s around me, I don’t get to experience those other things.

[00:28:51] Chris: Okay. That

[00:28:51] Jeremiah: Bumble, you got to get out of that bubble, right?

Yeah, exactly. And I feel like through doing my show, I’ve noticed that cause I got a lot of friends that watch it and, or listened to it and people at work and people that I thought would never be like into the stuff are like, dude, I love your show. Like, uh, I never knew about this. I’m learning about this and it’s an awesome feeling.

[00:29:19] Chris: Yeah, it’s the best one. When you’re a creative and you put out something and people respond to it, it feels so validating in a lot

[00:29:26] Jeremiah: of ways. Yeah. Cause we do it for our love and passion. It’s not, well, at least for me, I’m not like expecting to get famous or anything like that, but it would be cool, but like I’m doing it because I want to get the word out there.

I want to give people a platform to talk about things that aren’t normally talked about.

[00:29:45] Tyler: I feel you, but brow, I would encourage. Not to don’t limit yourself. If you like, as far as though, like, yo don’t want to be famous, I’d be loud, bro. I wouldn’t throw that out into the universe. It’s okay. To want to like, like have a high goal, right?

Like I’m kinda, that’s what Chris and I are trying to do with Dockside media. Like dude, if somebody wants to try and minimize me. Attempting to be the best filmmaker in the world. Like dogs. That’s good. It’s a good goal to have. That’s the only way I’m going to keep getting better. And people can say, bro, you’re silly.

It’ll never happen. But it’s like dog. The only way it, it definitely doesn’t happen is if I don’t try. And if this is what fires me up and this is what makes me happy. Then what the hell dude, why not keep going and having the mindset of like, bro, we can go big. We can reach a ton of people because I only think that type of positive thought process and spinning those electrons in my head and then spinning the other way elsewhere.

Helps it happen. I like very few people. Other than maybe me. We’re crazy enough to think we could get, make a documentary. That was good. Get it, get it picked up for distribution. Like, but bro, I, yeah, I just, I thought it was possible. Help build like, believe it into existence, but dude, it took a lot of emails and calling people and following up, like, it didn’t just happen on its own, but like, yeah, dude, I believed it was possible.

And so it’s sick man, that, that we are here and I hope we always remain like. Hungry and passionate and feel that bro, we can, we can accomplish anything. I know that person seems way above us and they would never agree to an interview. We’ll do it. The worst they can say is no, like literally my life still goes on.

Their life still goes on. It’s a no who cares. And sometimes if you ask enough people, somebody says, yes, Do you catch him at the right time on the right day? And the whole thing with like synchronicity is wild. How we got connected to be on this podcast and the, a series of events that transpired to get us here.

And then to find out that you grew up very close to where Chris and I grew up. I mean, it’s just, but being connected through a podcast in the UK, like dog, you can’t script it any better than that. Right. But somehow it’s just, yeah, it blows my mind. So I hope I always try and just stay. Like curious and, and, uh, passionate and hungry to like, and be thankful that bro, this is just like a blessing or this is dope that we can even do this stuff, man.

We taught ourselves how to be filmmakers. That’s nuts. Why stop? We can get whatever we want.

[00:33:14] Jeremiah: Yeah. I think it’s cool. Like my. On my bucket list and I always talk about it and it annoys my fiance, but my bucket list is to film a short movie B rate horror. So at some point I’ll look into doing that.

[00:33:35] Chris: You can definitely do it.

Yeah. Just start doing it. Um, yeah, I mean, I’ve made 14 short films. With no money, you know? So you could do it too. Like there’s nothing to stop you, especially, you got a phone, there’s your camera. You don’t even need to buy one right now. Like that’ll work. Uh, all you gotta do is just start

[00:33:53] Jeremiah: working on it and it’ll happen.

[00:33:56] Tyler: And dude, and the more you do it, the better you’ll get. I mean, that’s how Chris and I started. I was on a cell phone. Yeah. Saw a movie trailer come across the TV like five and a half years ago. I’m like, oh dude, that’s just a bunch of one second to second, three second clips. I bet I could do that. Took my son’s toy.

Dinosaur outside, made this fictitious, uh, trailer called the dyno Slayer. And bro, here we are today. Cranky. Documentaries that you’re like, dog, this is quality. I could see this on history channel. It’s like, dude, that’s it like, that’s it, it means a lot to Chris and I, but I hope it also inspires others to be like dog.

All we did was start doing something and then we just kept doing it. And in the process, in the journey, We got better at storytelling at framing shots at recording audio, right at, uh, thinking ahead of time of what B roll needs to be captured and just like, so dude, if that’s what your passion is, uh, and same here with us early on in our, especially for me, my first short film, I think it was called enough is enough.

And I happened to see a post on Facebook. Uh, this local group out of Harrisburg called and they were doing this 48 hour film competition where people could enter, they give you a theme and then everybody makes a like five to seven minute short film based on that, um, theme. And so it was, uh, yeah, we just try, I just tried it, put myself in the position where I had to.

And dude, here we are today. We kept going. So go do it, bro. Make that beat that Bihar.

[00:35:47] Jeremiah: Yeah, man. Yeah. Make your B-movie or do it. Yeah, but now you guys make me want to do a alien movie or something instead of definitely do it.

[00:35:57] Chris: You both, I mean, I made a movie with my daughter called very pig trouble about a killer Guinea pigs.


[00:36:04] Jeremiah: you can do it. So from doing the interviews and everything like that, what, um, what is your take on the whole alien UFO abduction phenomenon?

[00:36:18] Chris: Um, I can answer that from my perspective. I think me and Tyler have different, different perspectives on a lot of things. We’re very different people, as you can tell, he’s super upbeat and energetic and positive, and I’m a little bit the opposite of that.

I’m definitely more skeptical of a person, but. And I’ve told this before, but I started doing therapy like a year ago. And in therapy, one of the things my therapist said was, do you want to do hypnosis? And I was like, all right. I picked her in my mind would hit notices from movies, right? Like, somebody’s gonna wave something over me.

I’m going to fall asleep. They’re going to make me act like a chicken or something. Uh, that’s not what it is. Like, it’s not that at all. So when I went and did it, it was, uh, it changed my perspective on a lot of things, because. It was effective, but it wasn’t what I thought it was going to be. And so what I try and do now, like listening to these people, they tell their stories and they believe them.

And I think before the, I did that therapy and stuff, I probably would have written them off. I wouldn’t have been as open-minded about their perspectives. Um, but when you do things. And you have a predetermined notion of what it is, and then you do it. And it’s not what you were expecting. That changes you a bit.

If you keep doing stuff like that, you start to see like you have these rigid perspectives. That aren’t really what the world is like. And so listening to them, try and keep a more open mind. So I think they believe what they’re saying. And I can’t say that this stuff didn’t happen to them. Um, and I want to experience what they experienced.

So. I believe, I believe they believe what they’re saying. So, yeah.

[00:38:03] Tyler: And as far as abductions go, I would be like, yo. Are we not sending probes to the moon to Mars? Are we not tagging animals in the wild? Right. And studying them like, this is what we continue to do to learn about stuff and what we stumbled upon some tribe in the Amazon that has never been contacted by.

Dog. We don’t contact them. We study. So like, I don’t think it’s that crazy to think that we could be watched and studied that extra terrestrials could be interested in, right. That the science and the consciousness and all these different things that are unique to the human species. Yeah, because like, bro, we weather like just the, the, the scientific studies we do now, or whether it was like, like crazy far out, like stuff the Nazis were doing for experimentation right back in, in world war II.

Like either way like mankind throughout our history has been capable of some wild stuff, dude. So what, like, who knows. Else is out there because in a universe is big as it is. And as old as it is, it’s like dog. If intelligent life formed anywhere else and followed a similar evolutionary track as ours.

And they just happened to like spawn a hundred to a thousand years before us will dog get in a hundred or a thousand years, we’ll be doing shit. We can’t even think of right now. Right. It’s just not even on our radar. Um, because the collective mindset just is, it’s not there. We don’t even think of it. Um, but in hindsight, a thousand years from now, we’ll be like, bro, this was common sense.

How did, how did those barbarians never think of this? I feel like there’s some key to it all like that perhaps. So, yeah, dude, I think it’s possible. Absolutely.

[00:40:21] Jeremiah: Um, have you heard the theory that, uh, gray aliens or river, or actually us from the future

[00:40:28] Chris: that’s sorta goes along with the extra temporal thing that Tom Carey brought up when we interviewed him?

Yeah. It’s an interesting concept for

[00:40:37] Jeremiah: sure. Yeah. Cause I, I actually was listening to something today and they were, the lady was talking about how, um, if you advance our evolution with the way we live now, like will actually turn out looking like the grace.

[00:40:56] Chris: Go ahead, Tyler. I knew you were gonna say something about it.

[00:40:58] Tyler: I was just going to say no. I mean, yeah, it makes sense. And the, the fact that, you know, extra terrestrials are like typically reported with like, you know, arms and legs and fingers to manipulate the environment. Like, it wouldn’t surprise me that that, that human-like form just happens to be the form that like yeah.

Just happens to evolve intelligently, uh, to, you know, to be like the apex predator. Um, so yeah, go ahead. No.

[00:41:31] Chris: I mean, I agree. I mean, we can look back, like people look different just from where they are born and raised on this planet, depending on their climate and everything like that. And, you know, there’s you

[00:41:43] Jeremiah: look back

[00:41:45] Chris: since, you know, the human species first appeared on this planet and how we’ve changed and our look and stuff like that.

So it makes sense. Yeah. Especially considering where we don’t know where the future goes. I’m sure we will change in some ways to better suit the environment that we are creating.

[00:42:04] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cause she was saying how long. The way that we don’t really do a whole lot of physical stuff anymore, like back in the old times.

And so like our bodies would shrink and then our heads and brains would get bigger because we’re doing all this technology and stuff like that. And with the cell phone use and everything. Possibly your eyes could get larger and she’s like, and then if you just think about it that way, you know, it paints the picture of what, you know, as a gray alien, I just thought it was interesting.


[00:42:38] Chris: definitely. Yeah. This

[00:42:39] Jeremiah: cool. So for the, for the next film, the, uh, in plain sight, how has that, um, different than. One that’s coming out in April’s or you going a different angle with it? Or

[00:42:57] Tyler: go ahead, Tyler. Yeah, we just, within, in plain sight, um, you know, we we’ve, we’ve hooked in with like some more like the intelligence community with retired CIA officer, John Ramirez, who, uh, you know, through his career at the CIA and like analyzing, uh, I believe.

Ballistic missiles and stuff like that. Um, he just, whatever is just privy to a lot of, uh, interesting information. He’s been in a lot of interesting circumstances and he has a lot of interesting theories and speculation, uh, as to like, um, yeah, what. Extra terrestrials are and where, what humans are. He’s he’s very much so of, I believe the mindset that, you know, we could be fibroids of an extra terrestrial being our or raised.

And so, um, and then we coupled that with Tom Carey, who’s like, uh, the dude he’s putting out his 12th, 12th novel. Witness to Roswell 75th anniversary edition. Um, so he’s been, he’s interviewed over 600 witnesses, um, and has a lot of background on what the government did to help silence this story. Right.

And what these people saw. Um, so. Uh, that the implant site, the intelligence community, and UFO’s, it follows more of a, uh, like a government and hybrid angle to the UFO’s and extra terrestrials. And we got also move on fielding investigator, Jesse peak. Um, who’s had some, some unique experiences, uh, uh, Investigating write reports and sightings.

And he was in the army or national guard, I believe. Um, and then tomorrow we’re interviewing Eric mental of bucks, county paranormal investigations. Uh, and then we need like one or two more interviews to finish that up. Um, that, so that’s the next alien doc. We’ve also got the ghost of Gettysburg. That’s coming out April 26th on Amazon iTunes, Google play, and Microsoft movies.

Chris is just about finished with secrets in the Sasquatch, and that will hopefully be out at the beginning of the summer. And in plain sight, we’re thinking like beginning, middle of the.

[00:45:40] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s great that you guys have, uh, all this content coming out and it sounds like you have the drive to keep going, making more.

And, uh, I like how you are kind of, kind of like macho where you’re not focused on one specific thing. You want to kinda put it all out there for sure.

[00:46:04] Tyler: I mean, we just

[00:46:05] Chris: kind of find things we think are interesting. Yeah. And then we, we go for it. Um, so we’re always open to like new ideas. We have a couple of things, like we’re thinking about next, but like we B S as soon as something catches our attention, we know if it’s like, oh yeah, this is something we need to

[00:46:23] Jeremiah: do.

Um, but

[00:46:25] Chris: yeah. Yeah. We’re excited. We’re very.

[00:46:28] Tyler: Yeah, man. I feel like it’s very dead. Like our journey has just been very destiny driven because just for like, we’ve been doing this filmmaking thing here for like five and a half, six years independently, but to both link up and to both be making documentaries, bro, this wasn’t on our five-year ten-year 20 print.

Nobody ever thought this would happen. Um, I’ve always been curious about tons of different things, but Chris never super and reading into this type of material. Right? So like, it’s just this crazy, crazy journey of fate, man that like finds us going on these adventures and these journeys of a lifetime. I mean, bro, we filmed the ghost of Getty’s.

Like on hunting grounds, man, where like tens of thousands of soldiers bled, bro died, went missing. Like it’s insane. It’s just crazy that we are even in these scenarios, man. And it’s so, so fun. So we try and enjoy every moment. We’re probably going to do one, maybe like a ghost in the graveyard dude, and go ha like camp out at this haunted graveyard and go get an experience.

’cause it’s I don’t know. It’s it’s like we have fun investigating it and trying to share that with others. Right. We really sure.

[00:48:02] Jeremiah: Yeah. There was that place in Pennsylvania that I’ve been tying to go to. I just haven’t gotten a chance to it’s called a central Nalia or something, and it’s where they got the, they got the idea for silent hill video games from it.

Kyla, you went there.

[00:48:19] Tyler: Yeah, I was just up there a couple months back. I was gone to do a camp out with Randall, for secrets in the Sasquatch. And he had to like, uh, bail last minute we were scheduled for the following week, but I’m like, dude, I had plans to go like film something. So I’m like, you know what, I’m going up to Centralia.

And a dude went up there, Gosling ball and drone footage. It’s a, it’s a cool place. And then I went out to. I can’t remember the name. There’s a state forest, like maybe 15, 20 miles away. And, uh, I just went and spent the night by myself, bro, in this forest dude, I saw UFO as I’m setting the tent up. Right.

Like it was just, it was crazy at like one in the morning as I’m falling asleep. I hear somebody like yelling audibly like a hundred yards away. I like grabbed my bread, my knife unzip the sleeping bag, unzip the, uh, the, um, the tent and go flying out into the night, like, oh, nobody was there. But, um, but yeah, do so I’ve had some cool, like Centralia experiences and you should definitely go check it out, man.

It’s any place graffiti highway got all like covered. Right. But then. People find a way. So there’s like a new graffiti highway nearby, right? Oh, this road, that’s all a tattered. So yeah. Do go check it out. And then like the, the stacks where that are like releasing the heat from like the underground mines or seams that have been burning forever.

Like, it’s crazy. Like I went and put my hand, like up against it and it was like a late fall. It was like real cold or, uh, early winter. And I’m like, oh dude. Wow. That’s warranty. That’s.

[00:50:12] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s wild that it’s still burning to this day. Yeah.

So yeah, I’ll definitely have to get up there. Um, I’m actually headed to New Jersey and, uh, may they’re having the ancient alien live, uh, event in New Jersey. So I got my fiance and I tickets for her birthday and we’re going to go, uh, meet Georgia sucralose and all them. Yeah, that sounds great.

[00:50:45] Tyler: That’ll be sick.

[00:50:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. I got plans to take my business cards up there and put them on everyone’s windshield and everything like that. Yeah, for sure. Do it, do it. Yeah. Like you said, find a way. And do you got to put yourself out there? Right?

Is there anything else you want to tell my audience as far as. What you’re doing and where they can find your stuff and all that good stuff.

[00:51:13] Chris: Um, yeah. I mean, conscious contact full disclosure is out April 19th on all major platforms, Amazon, Google, uh, iTunes, Microsoft movies, uh, voodoo or something like that everywhere where you’re looking for a movie, you’ll be able to find it.

And it’s worldwide distribution, Vimeo, sorry, Vimeo. Um, so if you’re into aliens or, um, UFO’s anything like that. You’ll probably find that really interesting. And then on April 26, we have a ghost of Gettysburg if you’re into the supernatural stuff. Um, and that’ll be out everywhere as well. And then look for secrets of Sasquatch coming out fairly soon, ish.

And then after that in plain sight, another, uh, alien documentary. And then who knows what’s next after that? Right?

[00:52:01] Tyler: That’s right. And you’ll, we’re super active on Facebook. So it’s site media also on Twitter at dock side media, and our website is www dot Dockside, And, uh, one of the cool things that we did.

People get like behind is if they really enjoy the documentary. Uh, I encourage them to like link up with one of our social media sites and go back through, because I feel like it was a really unique experience of how we put this together and that we were super transparent, like as we’re booking interviews, as I’m flying to these different places and recording these interviews, like we’re documenting it and we’re putting it out there.

And so. Been able to just keep this kind of like hype train going and people can see like, oh dude, that’s how they did it. I can do that too. And I guarantee you, you

[00:52:59] Jeremiah: could. Yeah, that sounds great. Um, and I will look into a little bit more thoroughly creating my, a bucket list movie. Make sure I go for it.

Yeah, dude, do it.

[00:53:14] Chris: If you need any help, you need to go. Any questions. And hit us up

[00:53:18] Jeremiah: from shore. And, uh, yeah, if you can link me up with that Sue Walker, I definitely would, uh, would like to talk to her about her experiences.

[00:53:29] Tyler: Yeah, dude, I’ll send it to you after, uh, after we get off this podcast on absolutely.

[00:53:35] Jeremiah: All right. Well, thank you guys for coming on and speaking with us and, uh, I’m so glad that you were able to do it and I thoroughly enjoyed the documentary and I probably watch it again, to be honest with you. So when the next ones come out, I’ll definitely watch them too. And my fiance also really enjoyed it.

So thank you. That’s

[00:53:57] Chris: that’s awesome. Tell your fiance. Thank you so much for checking out as well and Jeremiah, and thanks for having us on the show. We really appreciate it.

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Alien Abduction: Adrianne’s Encounter

Alien Abduction: Adrianne's Encounter

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Alien Abduction: Adrianne’s Encounter

[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello!, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the, what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shared.

hello, my fellow earthlings. And welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We’re going to have an amazing interview here with Adrian and her alien abduction story. It’s definitely a tale that I won’t share. And she wants to share it with us. So listen to her incredible story. But first, before we get to the interview, if you could go and rate and review the show, I would appreciate it.

It lets me know you’re enjoying the content and that you’re getting something from the show makes me want to keep putting out good content for everyone. And I want us to be a community here. I care about what you guys are listening to and what you’re thinking. You can contact me through the website, go to the contact section?

Shoot me an email and I can, uh, respond to you in a timely manner. Also, I am on Instagram. What if they’re wrong? And tick-tock what if they’re wrong? So you can find stuff there. The tick-tock I’m going to be using to give short clips before an episode release. So you get a minute or a minute and a half sneak peek into a new episode.

That’s. So keep an eye out for that. Follow me on there. And now we’ll get to the interview with Adrian. It’s a story you don’t want to miss. And before we get into it, I just want to say we had some issues getting her audio. I think the aliens were trying to hack into her system. So there will be some spots that are a little glitchy.

The story is too good to not put out. So if you can just bear with some of the technical issues. Um, I think you’ll really enjoy this interview and hear her alien abduction story. So we’ll give it up to Adrian now.

Hello and welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast. I want you to question everything. I am here with special guests, Adrian and her. Alien abduction story. We’re going to talk to her, figure out, uh, well maybe figure out what’s going on or at least shed some light into the abduction phenomenon.

So I’ll introduce her now. Hello, Adrian. How are you doing?

[00:02:55] Adrianne: Thank you for having me.

[00:02:57] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah. You’re welcome. Thank you for coming on. I know these stories can be intimate and we’re not going to make light of them or anything. So, uh, just want you to be able to explain and just, uh, express your feelings and cause there are probably other people out there.

I have had an experience and just don’t know how to deal with it or cope with it, or don’t feel like there’s other people like them out there. So it’d be good to have a voice out there to let people know that they’re not alone. And, uh, there is definitely something going on with the abduction phenomenon.

So I’ll start with, uh, where were you at, in life at the time of your abduction? And if you can remember.

[00:03:47] Adrianne: Um, it was five, it was summer time and I was 19 years old and I was pregnant with my oldest daughter and I live in north Idaho. So I, I went to and had my pajamas missing and I woke up and I wasn’t in my bed anymore and I wasn’t clothed anymore.

So I immediately looked down at. Stomach and thought, and I pajamas get off of me. And then at that point I looked up and there was beings all around me. And one of them really stood out to me because she seemed charged, seemed, um, seamless. And that was in charge of all the other beings around her. And I say her, I don’t know why, because they all looked the same.

And, uh, I don’t know why, but, um, um, I guess it should tell you how they looked. Um, we’ll talk about the grades. This was that this was a very tall, very white, almost iridescent, um, pianist looking, being, so it made it very scary. I also, I fear of praying mantises and I didn’t know.

[00:05:10] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely not something you want to see hanging over your bed.

Uh, insect like being,

[00:05:18] Adrianne: I was, I’m not in my bed anymore. I was in a roundish room. Uh, it just seemed to have like a really glowing iridescent light. And, uh, I sat down and they are going in to next to my navel with some kind of instant. And I’m immediately thinking they’re going to find AB um, I, I was around seven months pregnant at this time and just petrified and, uh,

Okay. Just give me a minute.

[00:05:56] Jeremiah: It’s okay. I know it’s a traumatic experience. I don’t know if you can recall any like features on wherever you were. Could you tell you were on a spacecraft or was it kinda like, um an emergency room?,

[00:06:12] Adrianne: I definitely wasn’t in my house. I was sitting up around his glowing room. There was symbols on the walls.

Um, I actually. One of them, uh, uh, it’s like a triangle with the middle and the other one I too, I can remember. Uh,

[00:06:32] Jeremiah: so for the listeners, sorry, I don’t mean to cut you off for that up there for the listeners that can’t see it. Uh, it’s like. Basic like pyramid looking thing with a the middle, uh, with, you know, the inside’s white with a the middle.

And then the other symbol is, uh, like a straight horizontal line. And what looks kind of like an arrow pointing down, touching the horizontal line is how I can describe it. So two very distinct markings. I think I’ve seen the one with the pyramid and the dot before, but

[00:07:12] Adrianne: it reminds me of the all seeing eye that’s on the money or

the fact

could be too.

Yeah. So I’m at that point, I’m just petrified and I just keep looking into the eyes of the one, the one that I was communicating with, and she just keeps saying, we’re not hurting you. We’re not going to. We’re not hurting you. And I’m thinking this is hurting me. We’re communicating telepathically and they’re the big, large black eyes and how somehow she was able to pull every thought, every memory out of my head.


[00:07:52] Jeremiah: and I realized that that’s where the thoughts like a voice or was it like just, you automatically knew. What was being

[00:08:00] Adrianne: said. I know like when you’re going throughout your day and you have thoughts, she could read all of them. It, everything that it was happening from there, um, they just kept doing there’s other things I’ve never been under hypnosis yet, which I would like to, I don’t really want it, but I feel like there’s more in there that I remember.

[00:08:26] Jeremiah: It might also provide you some therapy and maybe some, maybe some clarity to the whole thing and maybe, uh, help you put it behind you. If you went through something like that. Not that you can ever forget it, but

[00:08:43] Adrianne: absolutely not. And I’m really thankful that people are coming forward now because I live in a really small town.

And for years I wanted to find someone like me. I couldn’t I, and I had to be very choosy on who I told this to. Like, I don’t even feel like my own mother believed me. And it was very hard for me to tell her, but, um, there was a few people that would listen and I felt comfortable with them. And, and then the, the show ancient aliens came out and looked at me one day, we were watching it.

And you said, this is exactly the things you described to me. I know there’s others out there and I’m really glad for technology and things like this right here. So I can meet people like me and not feel so alone,

[00:09:36] Jeremiah: but that we have social. Uh, media. I know a lot of negative stuff gets thrown on social media, but there’s a lot of positive to that.

You don’t really hear about too much, like having these Facebook group communities so people can share their experiences. And they encompass a lot of different things, not just like aliens and stuff, but just people with like-minds. So you can not feel like you’re isolated or alone.

[00:10:05] Adrianne: No.

From there when they were done doing all the features on me that they were doing, they went to drop me off back at home. And this sounds crazy, but I moved through solid matter. I didn’t know how, but the sensation was something that I can’t even describe. It felt like every moment. All of my body was pulled up there.

So through the roof of the house, through the second story, and then back into my bed and I looked over into the kitchen and she was standing there looking at me saying, you will not remember this. You will not. And I was thinking, how could I not remember this? This is like the most amazing experience I’ve ever had in my life.

And it petrified me because I, I didn’t think, I didn’t know if they were going to take my baby or what they were doing. And I think it’s a genetic experiment or they’re taking eggs or many things, you know, the same things as we do with animals in a cage, we pull them out. We do things to them. We put them back the next day when I woke up.

Yeah, it was a little fuzzy for a while, but I remember looking out the window and something I had built into the window. It was a dream catcher that was kind of framed into the window seal and it was knocked out onto the lawn. And then I started remembering what had happened and I still didn’t tell anyone for a while, but I started having problems with the pregnancy.

I had to be on bed rest for the next two months. And, uh, she ended up being okay, but I should get back to when, when I was looking at her, I, when we were technically speaking, I said, I’m done with this. I don’t want, because I realized they had been taking me my whole child. Sorry. If I jumped around so much, it’s okay at once.

But, um, I had a memory of my sister and I, we would wake up, up, out in the, in the woods sometimes, and it’s pretty cold up here in north Idaho. So I would be really cold and shivering and I opened my eyes and I think, why am I out in the woods? When I went to sleep in my. So she would just shake me and say, run, run, and we would run home, pull the covers over our head and we wouldn’t talk about it.

So when we were telepathically speaking, I said, I do not want this anymore. And it’s a trade-off because it’s a genetic thing where, um, I believe they take families and generations and then they said, she said, It will be your daughter’s turn next. And I didn’t know I was having a girl at that point.

Sorry, I’m getting so emotional.

[00:13:22] Jeremiah: It’s okay. Yeah, there always seems to be, um, with these abductions, it seems very common that they’ll abduct a certain family. So it’ll be like grandpa, dad, son. It seems like they’re tracking their genetic, uh, output from my perspective. I

[00:13:45] Adrianne: I, and that’s why it come forward to my mom.

And it was very hard for me to tell her, but she just discounted it. But then when I told my dad, he says, oh, I know, I believe you. But I did end up working for this woman years ago, about 15 years ago. And she ended up being a UFO research, which I didn’t know that. And, uh, one day she just looked at. You tell me, and I didn’t even have to ask her what, tell you what she said you’ve been taken before, right?

And I said, yes. And she said, the minute she met me that she could tell, I had, like she said, I was a hybrid and she asked me a bunch of questions. She said, she’d interviewed many people and it matched up. She asked me my blood. I said it was, oh, negative. She said she just kept shaking her head. Yup. Yup.

That’s that’s the common blood type that tends to be taken. And I told her that my father claimed, had been taken and she said, no, it had to have been in your mind. Other, so I don’t know about all that, but they did say that they were going to take my daughter and it was her turn next. And I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.

And I try not to. Talk to it, to my daughter about it, because I just want to wait for her to come to me if she does have these experiences. But I know that people don’t remember when they do so when they do have these experiences. So, um, when I did get interviewed by the lady that I worked for, she said that I remembered more than anyone she’d ever talked to without hypnosis.

So I know there’s a lot in there that I need to remember. Like you said for therapeutical reasons. Cause um, every time I talk about this, I think, oh, it’s been I’m 45 now this happened when I was 19. Okay. It’s not going to be that hard, but every time I get emotional every time. So, um,

[00:16:04] Jeremiah: I haven’t. Yeah, traumatic experience.

So it’s okay to let the emotions go a little bit.

[00:16:12] Adrianne: Yeah. I can’t really help it at this point. It just happens. But, um, I don’t recall any experiences since that. It was almost like we made an agreement that I was done and then whatever happened from there was out of my hands.

[00:16:31] Jeremiah: So I’m interested to know. See, if you do do the hypnosis, if you can find out if something has happened since then, like if, if your agreement with her actually held true or if they just made sure you didn’t remember this time and cause I’ve heard of. A lot of stories where if a woman gets abducted and they’re messing with her pregnancy and all that, that usually they get abducted again and get shown.

They’re like hybrid child and, and get told that they need nurturing or something. Along those lines.

[00:17:13] Adrianne: There was one experience. I do remember. Um, I don’t know if it was before or after this. They kind of blur together in some way, but I remember one time and I convinced myself that this one was a dream way too hard to take, but they did show me one.

And I’m sorry.

[00:17:43] Jeremiah: That’s okay. Yeah, I’ve heard, I’ve heard about those experiences. Uh, babies dying or looking sickly baby

[00:17:55] Adrianne: baby looked at me and they said, hold it, hold it. And I didn’t want to, so that’s the only one I remember. I just couldn’t handle it the way the baby looked at me in the eye and I knew I couldn’t save it.

So. That’s the only time I remember, but I have heard other people on, um, shows that I want say that they have hundreds of hybrid children. And I believe it because, uh, they’re definitely taking eggs, sperm from, from people I’m convinced of that. And why? I don’t know. I was told to go to mankind. This is what I did this being.

Read all of my thoughts, but I wonder do they have a way of blocking what I get from them when we communicate? Do they have, am I being lied to, or was this being being truthful? Because it certainly didn’t feel like to me anyway, that they were doing me any favors, but that you didn’t do this for something, some reason either to better mankind to help us evolve, or I don’t really.

That’s something I would like to know of why I had to go through this.

[00:19:21] Jeremiah: Yeah. This a female mantis type being, is that the one who told you it was for the betterment of mankind?

[00:19:28] Adrianne: Yeah, that’s the only one I was communicating with. I felt like that is in charge and she would kind of turn and look to the others and they, it was just kinda like a commute, like, uh, I thought.

They just automatically fluidly moved and did, as she said, like, it’s kinda like a bug colony, how they do, they all have their little, they’re all little they’re little places that their little jobs that they each do. And it’s almost like the queen bee or the queen Anne or whatever. Um, you know, and the other one’s just followed her orders.

So, um, I was communicating with her and. I definitely do need to do the hypnotherapy because there’s a lot in there that I think would be useful. She did take me before she dropped me back off. She, uh, sorry. What’s my thoughts. Um, kind of showed me some really beautiful things about our planet. It would be really deceptive thing.

And how they didn’t understand why we do the things we do to the planet and to each other. And those are the things I want to remember. I don’t really want to remember what they looked like. Cause there was something about the hands and the arms that really scared me. The whole thing was scary, but there was something about that art pants that.

I blocked out because they were touching things and they just, the intrusive hands, that the way they looked

[00:21:18] Jeremiah: now, did they look, um, more biological or were they like Android-ish or like, did you, can you remember?

[00:21:28] Adrianne: I believe they were biological. Um, But I did block out how the hands look, but the arms were very long and skinny, no muscle tone, almost like a straw.

Like there was really no joints or, and the, the heads were very, the eyes were extremely large. No nose, no mouth. No, it was kind of along the jaw line of the, like on the chin here. But I felt like they didn’t have a reason to have muscle tone. Cause they do everything with their minds. Extremely intelligent.

So she’s I got, I got through that one. I’m a tears finally quit coming up.

[00:22:15] Jeremiah: That’s good.

[00:22:18] Adrianne: Helps me talk about it sometimes, but it’s hard to get it out. Okay. Very emotional for me.

[00:22:26] Jeremiah: Yeah, I can imagine. So it seems very common. This thing about the UFO’s and aliens, trying to tell mankind to not be destructive and don’t do wars and got a love and protect the planet.

And there is many stories that I’ve heard that talk about. This type of thing. So it’s interesting that you’ve had the same experience.

[00:23:00] Adrianne: They’re definitely concerned for us. Um, but then I watched videos of people that say, no, they’re lying to us. It’s for their own gain, but that’s not what I was told. I was, I was told it was to help us still intrusive what they’re doing to take us like that.

Eggs and sperm. And there was other things they did to me, but the one I’m focusing on my daughter inside me, I didn’t know if they were doing something with her or something with me at that point, because I was so far along in the pregnancy that I, I almost think maybe they were taking eggs from her because females are born with all the eggs they’re ever going to have.

Maybe they untainted one. While they were still pure. No, I was going to have a daughter and she told me that it was a female that I was going to have. So

[00:24:07] Jeremiah: yeah, that probably, uh, freaked you out a little bit.

[00:24:11] Adrianne: Um, yep. She was born and he’s 26 years old now. I haven’t even showed her the last podcast that I did, because I don’t really know if she believes it. So I’ve talked to her a little bit about it, but I feel like if I put things in her head and I just hope it’s not happening to her, but I don’t know if they lose track of people, but I don’t believe that.

[00:24:43] Jeremiah: Yeah, I have a feeling they don’t, they probably have a directory or something. Mental, mental codex. When you

[00:24:53] Adrianne: find me from the house that I lived in as a child to the next place that I lived. So I don’t know if I have a tracking device in me. It just, no,

[00:25:05] Jeremiah: yeah, it would be, I mean, It would be a pain to go through, but it’d be interesting if you tried to see if you had some type of implant or something like that, like through x-rays or whatever they do for technology wise.

[00:25:23] Adrianne: Yeah. I do have an MRI that I’m supposed to be doing here pretty soon and I’ve never been, but broken bones and x-rays so I haven’t been told that they found one, but.

[00:25:36] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve also heard, I’ve also heard stories of implants being like shifty or kinda like they can disappear and reappear or shift location.

So yeah, it’d probably be hard to find it. I don’t really hear too many implants actually being like extracted from people, but I think. So my theory is that aliens come from another dimension that they’re not really like from outer space or whatever, and a lot of stuff that kind of adds up to it in my mind.

But what is your thought process on, on where they come from or what they, what their purpose is here?

[00:26:25] Adrianne: I think it might be both. I, I do believe that they shift from another person, but also from space because. Spacecraft before there was one that used to go above my house. Um, I lived about halfway from my childhood home to where I do now, or from my last abduction.

I lived in this house. There was a big field and I’d let a friend of mine camp out in my yard and sit there watching you. And I thought talking about, and he, uh, Um, they go over your house. I will come inside and I’ll grab you and I’ll show you. And I have a bonfire barbecue at my house that night, there was about 15 people and he came inside and said, okay, there we were all inside.

And, um, he came out and got us all. We all stood outside, watched it go above the house. It was very rich black triangle in no sound. If it was because it made no sound, it each point on it had a light that’s. So I could tell it was a triangle and couldn’t tell how big it was either, because it might’ve been massive and way high up there and moving very slowly.

I really don’t know, but that was an interesting thing right there for him to come in and they’re watching you. So, yeah, and then I’ve seen ones from far away and they’re not helicopters or airplanes because of the way they move. They’ll have, then they’ll shoot up in the sky, hover up there and then like just move diagonally and all across the sky.

Um, spot to the other very quick. I’ve seen that probably three times.

[00:28:30] Jeremiah: Well, to my knowledge, have not seen a UFO. I kind of wish I have, but I haven’t been able to see one yet, but, or maybe I don’t want to see one. I don’t know. Cause I don’t really think I want to go through that abduction experience myself. Cause like you said, it’s intrusive.

[00:28:53] Adrianne: Oh yeah. I’ve heard people joke about.

I would love to go up there and no, I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. And I think about how we do that with animals and different, you know, how we take a fish out of the water, pull it out when that fish is looking at us going, what is that? You know, we’re looking at it. And I feel like it’s the same kind of good about it.

It’s not too hard to believe that this is happening. We do it to animals.

[00:29:27] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely makes sense. I mean, like you said, we put animals in zoos and what’s the say that we’re not the zoo for extra terrestrial beings and we’re kind of like their entertainment for lack of a better word.

[00:29:45] Adrianne: Oh, I feel like a hole or a purpose for, you know, how we, we make hybrid side of animals.

So. That’s what they’re doing here. And I don’t know why, that’s my big question of why.

[00:30:03] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then it creeps you out. Cause it’s like, well, if they’re doing these genetic experiments and making these hybrids and all that, uh, and saying like, oh, it’s for the betterment of mankind, what’s going to happen with the current mankind.

Are they planning to wipe us out and putting a new. Hybrid being in charge of the planet or, you know, it’s kinda one of those things where it’s like, what, what is their end goal? Well,

[00:30:32] Adrianne: it’s happened for thousands of years. You look at how we’ve evolved and evolved so quickly that they’re helping us do that.

Each, each one before us was wiped out in a new one, came in doing, but why is why they’re doing it? That’s my big question. But as far as the, if I think they’re interdicting from space, um, the way they move me through the wall or the ceiling, and you feel like it was like a dimension.

Yeah. They have the technology to do that and to move me. Oh, that there, that just reminded me, um, when they did take me once, when I was at. I remember being and saying, I’m scared now I want to go home. I want to go home. And the one looked at me and said, then go. And I said, there’s no door. And it sounds crazy, but she said, you don’t need a door.

And it moved through solid matter. I’m I’m not going to tell anyone that you can, but somehow, and then all of a sudden I was out with. Um, when I was younger, it was more of a fun and games thing and my sister things. And when you get older, it’s more of a reprieve about your, you know, your reproductive.

It’s almost like they were taking me to get my trust and to have me not be scared. And, um, and when you get. H it changes. That’s my theory on it.

[00:32:25] Jeremiah: I know it’s

[00:32:27] Adrianne: crazy, but I’m telling 100% honest truth here.

[00:32:31] Jeremiah: Oh no, I, I believe you. Uh, there’s definitely an abduction phenomenon going on. I’ve looked into it so much that there’s no doubt in my mind that there’s something. Something going on now, whether it’s for evil or for good, or that I’m still kind of torn on because you have two different camps that are like, oh, they’re evil.

They’re like demons or whatever. And then there’s other people that are like, no they’re for mankind to do better and be better. So I’m definitely torn on.

[00:33:06] Adrianne: I knew when I put myself out there that I was going to get comments like that, and I get a lot of that. There is such thing. There’s only demons, well,

um, live entities that were there, um, and demons and angels, that’s more of a spiritual thing. These were actual, and I’m also spiritual I in that way also, but it doesn’t mean that these beings don’t exist. I wouldn’t wish this upon anyone.

[00:33:45] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, for sure. And I, I don’t know. I don’t know, demon, the demon thing on one hand kind of makes sense, but then it’s like, to me, they almost seem like they’re.

I don’t know, lack of a better term scientists or something like that. It feels more and more in line with the Anna Knocky story. I don’t know if you’ve heard of that,

[00:34:11] Adrianne: but no, the, um, the lady that I worked for that actually I worked for her and she, the one day said, Hey, when are you going to tell me? She started telling me about an innocuous in that hole and she’s traveled the world.

I had never heard of that before, but it made sense to me. And then ever since then, and that show is now all tied together. So I had never heard of that until she had brought it up.

[00:34:40] Jeremiah: So since your experience, um, have you noticed any differences, like, do you, this is gonna sound weird, but do you notice you have any particular skills or.

For lack of better words, powers or anything like that, or do you notice if your daughter’s different and

[00:35:03] Adrianne: I’m glad you brought that up? Cause, um, um, my sister that I used to get adopted with, I’m going to cry again. He passed away in a car wreck, um, right in front of me. And, um, this, the lady that was the lady I worked for, she said, do you have.

Skills like that. She said, it’s a trade-off. They usually don’t take you without giving some. And the day they’re passed away, I, I was having visions of this car wreck that was going to happen. And I was, we were leaving a concert and it was about a five-hour drive. And I was awake during this and I kept saying, I’m getting.

That’s going to happen. And I was thinking to myself, this sounds crazy, but I felt like I had to tell them it was so overwhelming. I, I, it was like, I was seeing it through my own eyes, what was going to happen. And so I have two witnesses that, that heard me explain this. And I said, I think I might be going to die soon.

Um, there’s this car wreck and this is how my body’s going to be on the side of the road. This is how is how it’s going to go down. And then we got back, uh, I was supposed to go meet my sister. We were going to go have a barbecue up by the lake and coroner. And I told my friend that I told earlier, I said up there is what I described.

And you said, no. I said, no, it is it’s it’s like watching a rerun on TV.

I realized at that point, that’s my sister up there because we looked a lot alike. So when I was seeing the body on the side of the road and all that in my vision, because I seen it through my own eyes and, and that prevented me from getting the car because they both got out and walked up and.

Everything I described actually how it was.

[00:37:13] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s uh, definitely

[00:37:18] Adrianne: ESP and they give you, uh, the abilities and I wished I would, I wish that I would, sorry,

I didn’t want that gift anymore. After that experience.

[00:37:38] Jeremiah: And did you notice anything different with your daughter? Like, or is she just quote unquote normal person?

[00:37:47] Adrianne: She seems, she’s very smart though. Like she, uh, she walked and crawled and started most of milestones. The doctor will ask, like she started walking at nine months.

She started crawling, like seeing her ABC’s that I don’t know. A year in something, I don’t know. She was very smart. The miles earlier with her.

[00:38:16] Jeremiah: Yeah. I was just wondering if maybe they did some kind of genetic manipulation since you were pregnant at the time.

[00:38:26] Adrianne: I think a lot of that, they take you and do these mental exercises with you when you’re younger. So that. Your skills on quicker. I’ve heard that the deductions have infancy, but I only one probably around five or six years old.

And I think that, cause I didn’t know how old I was. I didn’t know how to really count. You know, I, it wasn’t until school age that I realized, okay, I’m six years old. This is happening. I’m seven year old, seven years old. This is happening. I don’t know I’m getting off subject here, but I do love the things you’re asking me, but yeah, uh, the car wreck with my sister was very traumatic, but yet before it happened, so it’s almost like it prepared me for what I was going to see.

I mean, from getting out of the car and walking up there and seeing something I wouldn’t want to see. And I’ve, uh, I’ve asked the two people that were with. Since then, do you remember me saying that? And then it happening? They were like, yeah, I still see it and I can’t believe it. It’s so, uh,

[00:39:44] Jeremiah: yeah. So, um, I think you had mentioned it, but I was, I gotta ask again anyway, was, so now that you kind of remember everything and you’re now it’s becoming.

Um, no more accepted in society, whereas before it was kind of like, no one really wanted to talk about it or people would call you crazy. If you talked about it is, do you find yourself like really researching a lot more now to try to get to the bottom of it?

[00:40:18] Adrianne: There’s just more information out there before the internet, um, to seek out shows.

Uh, it would be rare on TV that they would have something. I only got three channels growing up. So I remember one time there was going to be a, I think it was national geographic about it and just, I could not miss it. I was just stuck to the TV. I was, um, I thought, wow, there’s at the time, I didn’t even this happening to me, but I was always drawn to that.

And, uh, Now it’s just more open. People are coming forward. And so I figure why not? I want people, if, if everyone comes forward, people think they have something to lose and they don’t want to sound crazy. But if everyone that this is happening in the store, then it will be a little more, and it would have saved me from a lot of years of turmoil of, I knew I wasn’t going.

The percent positive the back then I couldn’t just go around and say this to just anyone.

[00:41:35] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. And uh, maybe one day you can go to like a alien convention or something where there’s other abductor teas and be able to talk with them and share your experiences would be pretty cool. In my opinion.

[00:41:53] Adrianne: I agree. I have nothing to gain from this other, I just want to meet people like me.

[00:42:03] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s how I am with my a near-death experience. Like, I didn’t want to tell anyone for a long time, but now through podcasting and stuff, I’m able to talk about it and talk with other people that have had them and kinda get some answers and just get it all

[00:42:21] Adrianne: just near death experience.

Yeah. Um, I had one of those also, really.

[00:42:30] Jeremiah: And do you remember that?

[00:42:33] Adrianne: Oh yeah, it changed my life. I might have

[00:42:36] Jeremiah: to have ya. My, it wasn’t like a long one or a con mine was a short, like, I didn’t experience a lot, but.

[00:42:45] Adrianne: I don’t know how long I was gone because by the time my friend found me on the floor, I didn’t know how much time had gone by, but I don’t have time to leave my body.

Shoot. Yeah, we should get into that later because that’s another one I get very, very emotional with that’s.

[00:43:05] Jeremiah: Yeah. Might have to do another episode about that one.

[00:43:10] Adrianne: I’m more free to talk about that one, because I feel like, yeah, that, that changed my, it healed me from what I was going through.

[00:43:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. And that kind of thing is a little more accepted, I think, than saying you’re a viewer abducted even still, which is, which is a shame, in my opinion, like I think people should be able to.

Come forth and share their experience. And you know, it’s not, I don’t know how to say. I like, I believe you. I believe you had that experience. Some people might not, but you know, you at least should be able to talk about it until tell it without people ridiculing you or telling you you’re crazy or anything like that.

[00:44:05] Adrianne: Yeah. I, I, it just point, I don’t even care though, like I’m telling the truth. So if I hadn’t been through it, I don’t know if I would believe it.

[00:44:18] Jeremiah: Well, I thank you again for coming on and talking about it and sharing the experience. I definitely got some information and knowledge out of it to add to my, uh, research bank. And also I hope that you can. Find a way to get your hypnotherapy and hopefully get some healing because I can tell there’s a lot of pain still inside that that needs to be taken care of.

And hopefully you can get some answers by doing that as well.

[00:44:54] Adrianne: I agree. Maybe this is pushing me towards act, so I, I appreciate you getting a hold of.

[00:45:04] Jeremiah: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you for coming on. And, uh, I’ll probably have to hit you back up for the, uh, find out about your near-death experience too.

[00:45:15] Adrianne: I’d like to hear yours also.

[00:45:18] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. Well, thank you for coming on. Uh, we had a good discussion and hopefully, like I said, You could get some resolve.

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[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello!, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered. Alien Abductions.

We’re going to have a great conversation today with Richard Wright. He has a long history with military service, as well as some high level clearance during his tenure with the United States military. And we’re going to talk today about UFO’s alien abductions and what he thinks about them. And some experiences that he’s had, we’re going to get to it in a moment.

Just want to say that if you can give this podcast a review and rating, it would be highly appreciated. Also the website is up now. It’s. And that is what if and remember all the links and everything are in the description of the podcast episode. So we’ll get to the interview now and hopefully you’ll enjoy the conversation as much as I did.

Hello and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast I’m Jeremiah and I’m joined today by Richard Wright, the host of the. The paranormal factor podcast. So I will introduce him to you now, today, we’re going to talk about UFO’s abductions, paranormal stuff, just anything kind of strange, cause you know, that’s what we love to do here.


So I’ll introduce him now. Hello, Richard.

[00:02:01] Richard: Hey, how are you doing Jeremiah? Yeah, I love it too. Uh, it definitely. And that’s the, uh, the paranormal factor podcast is all about. Just what it says, the paranormal. So we get into a lot of different things. Uh cryptids and, um, different folklore legends, as well as, uh, course, uh, UFO’s aliens, uh, just a whole lot of stuff.

[00:02:27] Jeremiah: Yes, I love covering a wide range of topics. Uh, that’s my show I’ll cover everything today. I did a simulation theory, uh, interview with someone and that was quite interesting.

[00:02:41] Richard: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, we’ve done. We’ve done episodes on astral projection and I had a right at the end of the first season at the end of December.

Great interview with a local medium. And he went into all stuff, medium, you know, what, what he does and how he interacts with spirits and stuff. So, yeah, I liked that too. I like a lot of coverage.

[00:03:06] Jeremiah: Yeah. Can you, um, explain that like a little bit, cause that’s interesting to me on like what you learned from the medium

[00:03:14] Richard: yeah. So one of the, one of the first things I learned is that there’s different types of mediums. He is a Clare audio. Claire sentience, meaning that, uh, as a clairaudient, he can actually hear, uh, spirits. What he talked about was how it’s often like a light whispering in his ear and he may not get everything, but he’ll get parts.

Then it’s up to him to kind of figure that out. As a Claire sentience, he can actually feel things. So. He, he can feel, uh, touching, um, pushing where somebody else may not have that same sensitivity. And, uh, so it was very interesting. And he talked about some of the other ones that he, he is not.

Um, and he gave a couple of cases where he’s gone into, uh, into homes. Uh, he does remote view. Where pictures will be, or photographs will be sent to him and he will concentrate on those and try to pick up any vibrations in that manner. Um, he talked about a case, uh, one of the things we got into Jeremiah was.

The difference between kind of the real world and what you see on television with like ghost hunters and things of that nature. Um, and by the way, kind of interestingly, he hates the term ghost hunters. He says, you know, he says, go, sir. It’s like somebody going out to, you know, to hunt a deer or something.

He goes to these, these are people, these were people, you know, that were alive. And when they pass over, they still have those feelings. They still have, um, emotions and you need to treat them with respect. So that was a, that was kind of interesting. Um, the, the case though, that, that he talked about took four months.

So you see on television, they go in and they find ghosts, you know, in a matter of, uh, 48 minutes right on television. But it was, it was a four month situation and it took almost a full month to understand what was going on and. Ended up being a man who, who had, um, an attachment and he explained the difference between attachment and possession.

Uh, and he was very clear if you’re talking about possession, uh, he was saying, I, I’m not the guy you want to call it. You want to call it a priest. Right. But he goes, attachments I can handle. And what it was was a spirit that had attached to this guy and was. Sucking the energy from him, uh, feeding on the energy.

And so, um, it took him four months, uh, and he said, it just wore him out to be able to finally get this spirit to leave, um, and, and leave this guy alone. So pretty interesting stuff. Really?

[00:05:58] Jeremiah: Yeah. I interviewed, uh, a lady Ghostbusters. She runs the lady Ghostbusters in New Jersey and Ellen talks about. Yeah, Eleanor.

Yeah. And she, she talks about that same thing, how they overdramatic ties the TV shows and it’s really not like that and how they are people that are just left in the spirit world.

[00:06:22] Richard: Right. And, you know, kind of expanding on that a little bit. When I do the podcast, I try to always leverage some. Skepticism.

Um, it’s not always my skepticism by any means, but I try to give that viewpoint. So if, if I’m talking about, um, any, any given situation or circumstance or case, um, I, I cover it. Um, and I, I give in most cases, for example, if we’re dealing with a cryptid or something, I give real actual. You know, witness type testimonies, um, real from their standpoint, at least.

Um, but then I also like to go back and say, well, okay, but this is what the skeptics say. So I try to give the audience a little bit of both sides. Um, and in the end, in most cases they need to make up their own mind as to whether it’s something that they believe they believe is true, or it’s something that is believable for them.

[00:07:24] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah, for sure. That’s what I try to say is I just want you to question everything and that’s my like tag line. So I don’t want to preach to anybody or like push my beliefs on anyone. It’s up to you ultimately to decide, uh, how you feel about whatever topic I’m covering. So that’s a good perspective to have.

So what got you into. All this paranormal stuff. And I saw you had an encounter at Holloman air base.

UFO Encounters

[00:07:56] Richard: Yeah. Air force base. Um, you know, this goes back for me all the way back to when I was a kid. Right. And I was growing up as, as a, as a young kid in the sixties. And this was like the height of UFO. Uh, there were books out there.

They were exciting. Uh, there were all these cases that would constantly pop up photographs were floating around. So it was very exciting and, and it just really got my interest. And then that sort of expanded more into the paranormal and supernatural as I, as I sort of grew up. And, um, and I’ve had chances over the years to go on.

Ghost tours or ghost explorations. Um, there’s a situation in Holoman that, that I’ll go into here in just a second, but, um, you know, different things like that. Being able to cross paths with people, um, and just get new, new ideas about this kind of stuff. So I know you want to hear about the Holloman story.

Yeah, I

[00:08:56] Jeremiah: definitely do because it’s your encounter. So

that’s definitely interesting.

[00:09:01] Richard: Yeah. So when I say my encounter, it’s not like I was standing out in the desert looking at a flying saucer, but I was part of an event that was a very really event at the time. We’re talking about a 19 78, 78, 79.

Holloman air force base, uh, is a really expansive area in, uh, south New Mexico. A lot of desert. It actually sits in kind of in the desert and, uh, you get a lot of weird stuff out there. And at the time I was, I was, uh, a policeman, uh, security policemen. So. You know, we’re out on patrol and we’re doing different things and all that kind of stuff.

And there was always, it seemed like whenever you looked up into sky, you were seeing something weird. Um, you have white sands missile range, so you’d maybe see a rocket flaring around, you know, up, up there and you’d be, you know, kind of shaken a little bit when you first saw it. So on this particular night I was working, I was, I was working patrol and I had come into the desk and the desk Sergeant was there and he’s on the.

And he’s obviously talking to somebody and he’s saying, uh, no, ma’am no. Um, I don’t know what to tell you. Ma’am I have nothing that we’re doing out here that I know of. And I don’t know what would account for those lights and thank you. Ma’am and he hangs up and he says, My Lord, what is going on? I’ve been getting call after call from people down in Alamogordo, which is the town just to the east of the base, literally right outside the, uh, the, the east perimeter fences of the base.

And they’re saying that over by. The east gate, there’s some kind of, um, of flashing lights in the sky that they’re seeing, like literally just, just a few hundred feet off of the, the gate area. And nobody knows what it is. And as he’s telling us, this call comes in and it’s the New Mexico highway patrol, and they want to know what’s going on and.

Basically tries to give them some information at this point, the flight chief, um, who, who was in charge of the group, you know, that, that, that was out, uh, or assigned at that particular time, uh, the, whatever it was seven or eight of us came in and asked what was going on. And he told him, and so they contacted the base commander that contacted military intelligence and, um, a couple of other groups.

And basically what happened was the base commander. Uh, military Intel person, uh, some, some guards, um, and, and a few other people, I guess, get into a helicopter and they lift off from the flight line and they head out toward the gate to see what’s going on and, and kind of make some kind of, uh, contact and what was reported, uh, just a few days later, was that when the, the aircraft approach.

This object, which was visible on the radar screen from the Alamogordo airport, as soon as it got fairly close to it, this object shot off to the east, literally shooting over a mountain range to the other side of those mountains, uh, in the blink of an eye. So very strange, um, fast forward, about two months after.

I’m parked out daytime parked out on the flight line and I’m next to a building. I don’t know what is in the building. And a first Lieutenant comes out and he said, uh, is everything okay? And I said, yeah, I’m just, I’m just keeping an eye on the flight line. Everything’s fine. He goes, oh, uh, Well, do you want to come in and check things out?

And I said, sir, I don’t even know what this is. He goes, it’s air, traffic control. I said, oh yeah, that’d be great. So he takes me in, it gives me a tour and I’m seeing all the, what we call scope dopes, you know, looking at the, at the radar screens and everything. And, uh, He’s very jovial. He’s very easy going.

And so we kind of wrap up and he says, you have any questions? I don’t know why it popped into my head, but it did. And I said, you know, yeah, I do. You know, the incident, we had a few months back where we had the, um, reported UFO out of the gate. And, um, you know, they, they put a helicopter in the air and his face got serious and he looked at me and he said, I can’t discuss that.

It’s classified.

[00:13:28] Jeremiah: Oh, wow.

[00:13:29] Richard: And that was it.

[00:13:32] Jeremiah: Oh, so there was definitely something


[00:13:34] Richard: on, definitely something that was not, uh, for consumption. Right.

[00:13:39] Jeremiah: So for the UFO thing, from your, you looking into it and your research into it, do you, like, I know there’s theories that the. Actually just government crafts, that technology that we don’t know about, the like the layman person doesn’t know about, but then there’s also, you know, they’re from outer space or interdimensional.

What’s your take on the whole alien thing and the abduction phenomenon.

[00:14:07] Richard: Yeah. It’s a really good question, right. And I can tell you in from being in the air force for 20 years, and some of that time was as a missile launch officer with a very high top secret clearance. I can tell you that there definitely are things in the military.

You know, sometimes we think, well, the government can’t keep a secret. And if they, if we really had, uh, you know, technology of that kind, somebody would leak it to get out. I can tell you for a fact that no. Um, I can tell you, uh, there are things today that I cannot still talk about when it comes to ICBM’s and strategic defense and things of that nature.

So there are definitely areas within the military and government that are compartmentalized, that if that information is close hold, you’re not, you’ll never hear about it. I won’t either. Um, there were. Uh, a few people I ran across, um, in the last 10 years, uh, that I was in as an officer that talked about, uh, just making some really kind of cryptic comments about, uh, being at the Pentagon and saying you would not believe the, the stuff that’s out there.

You have no idea. Some of the things that, that we’re involved in and what we’re working on, uh, from a technology standpoint. Is it possible? Uh, yes, it’s possible. However, um, it’s some of the characteristics of flight of these objects is, is leaps and, you know, just leaps beyond what I could possibly imagine any, uh, human based government would be able to produce.

So I have a hard time with that theory. Um, Let’s let’s hold the, you know, the big, the big, a alien in until the end. Is it, uh, interdimensional maybe? Um, that. That’s an interesting concept though. The concept that really shook me up when I heard it the first time, which was, you know, years ago. And, and I think I was at a TGI F having drinks, um, and this guy just threw it out there and it kind of blew my mind.

I had never thought about it was the possibility of it being time travelers and, um, that they’re actually human beings that are traveling back. Trying to figure out what’s going on. I think you probably have a lot less concerned with, uh, interdimensional beings, not screwing up our timelines. Then you do humans traveling back in time.

Right? Um, I don’t know. I, you know, I interdimensional maybe, uh, it would answer, it would sort of answer the, um, the conundrum about the crafts themselves.

[00:17:11] Jeremiah: Right.

Or if like the, if they are, if UFOs and aliens are from outer space, there’s probably a good chance that our government has either gained knowledge and technology from them, or has taken crashes like the Roswell crash and kind of reverse engineer. Um, to their benefit it,

[00:17:40] Richard: yes. I mean, there’s a lot of that kind of thing.

Oh, there’s a lot of conspiracy things that are out there. A lot of speculation. Right. Um, I did a show on. Uh, it’s it’s it was on Jackie Gleason and, and president Richard Nixon, where the rumor was that, uh, they were in the Miami area and president Nixon, knowing that Jackie Gleason was a huge, um, UFO, um, the fan.

And actually had a huge extensive library library that is now at the university of Miami of paranormal, but especially UFO’s and, um, and aliens, uh, that Richard Nixon took him out to homestead air force base, and actually showed him the dead bodies of aliens. Now that. That’s really kind of compelling.

And that rumored, uh, event has been out there for quite some time. But in the episode, one of the things that, that I used it as an opportunity for was to go through some of the, uh, rumors out there with other presidents and their, uh, experiences. And the big one is, uh, Dwight D Eisenhower. And I mean, this goes, you’ve, you’re probably aware of this year.

But, you know, the stories of him leaving his, uh, Palm Springs, um, resort and disappearing, basically for a 24 hour period now. Uh, his aide said that it was simply that he had chipped a tooth and he had gone to the dentist, but the dentist that he was known to go to, never had any records of him being there.

So, you know, that’s a little strange. And apparently he, the rumor was that he met with actual aliens and he talked about some kind of deal to give them sort of access. And part of that access was the ability to go ahead and, uh, duct people. Uh, requirements that they had, as long as they didn’t kill anybody.

And in turn, they would give us technology. Now we know for a fact that, uh, you know, re-engineering or reverse engineering, it is, is actual and we’ve done it, right. I mean, we’ve done it. This, the, the former Soviet union did it, you know, China’s done it in. Anybody can take something and reverse engineer it.

If you want to make that leap and say alien technology was either, uh, provided or captured or, um, you know, discovered the possibility to re-engineer or reverse engineer off of that is certainly there. Absolutely.

[00:20:33] Jeremiah: Yeah. So the, uh, Whole phenomenon is, is strange. And I totally believe that there is something going on because there’s so many people that have abduction stories or have witnessed UFO’s or things that are not of this world. It’s kind of hard to just negate that and just say, oh, there were. Crazy. Just me personal.

[00:21:00] Richard: Yeah. There are, there are a lot of cases and, and look in some of those, um, it’s been pretty well-documented right. Some of those, um, you know, can be attributed to hallucinations or, um, um, you know, mental health. Issues that were going on at the time. I don’t, I don’t mean that, you know, they were mentally ill.

I’m just saying that, you know, issues might be going on. Um, you know, um, lucid dreaming, a lot of those kinds of things. You know, those, those are valid, uh, explanations. Do they fit every circumstance? Probably not. Uh, What’s compelling to me are, are some of the really specific cases. And those are pretty easy to find, right?

Because they got a lot of coverage in the media, et cetera. Um, two of the ones that I recently covered on, on my pod, Um, I’ll start with the earlier one was Betty and Barney hill in 1961. Now that is a landmark case you cannot find, and I’m not kidding you on this, Jeremiah, you cannot find a book probably on UFO’s and or UFO alien abductions that doesn’t mention Betty and Barney hill.

It is. Uh, really a serious of a case. And there are a lot of compelling things that are kind of packed into that story. Um, the, uh, the descriptions were, were very, um, specific.

[00:22:40] Jeremiah: Yeah. Their story is definitely well-known in anyone who looks into UFO’s.

[00:22:46] Richard: Yes, yes, absolutely. And, uh, you know, all this stuff under hypnosis and, and I’ll tell you.

And it’s out there on the internet. You can find it. If you listen to some of Barney Hills actual hypnosis sessions, they are terrifying. The guy was genuinely terrified. And I mean, it almost gives you goosebumps when you, when you listen to those. But, you know, the biggest thing about that case was this was really.

The first case we got with, um, aliens, probing people and, and doing medical things to them. And so really, really important. Um, your listeners, if not, if they don’t know about that case should really, uh, Get it, you know, get a chance to look into it. Cause it really is good. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. And it’s just, uh, when you listen to the recordings of the hypnosis sessions, it’s very terrifying to hear him.

Um, but I think your listeners really, if they, if they don’t know that case, they should, they should really go out and look it up because it’s really good. The other one that I recently covered is the 1973 Pascagoula Mississippi case, um, with the two guys that were out fishing. That also is really compelling.

I’ll tell you what, Jeremiah, the thing that really strikes me in these kinds of cases. It’s the thing to me, that’s really hard to deny. You can bring up, you know, different explanations of what happened and this and that, but you can’t get away from the actual terror. These people felt. And when they report to officials, whether that’s the local police or whatever, those folks are pretty good at judging people’s.

You know, current demeanor, right? Whether they’re agitated or angry or, or whatever. And when those folks are saying these people were absolutely terrified, that to me really gives some credibility. You

[00:24:46] Jeremiah: know, a lot of these people that get abducted, they don’t even want to tell their story until like way later on or they, you know, get forced to tell it or something like that.

They’re from the lot of the ones I’ve heard, they don’t. Like to really bring it up or talk about it. Cause they don’t want to feel, you know, ostracized,

[00:25:08] Richard: right? Yeah. They, they, they don’t want to be ridiculed, um, or made fun of, or things of that nature. Um, and you know, the, the fact that. They’re not going out and publicizing stuff.

They’re not going out. And, um, a good example of that is Lonnie Samora. He’s the, uh, New Mexico, uh, police officer in the saguaro incident. Uh, this is probably people talk about Roswell, but this is probably the most single, uh, Compelling case in, in UFO annual. So this is the case that actually started to turn Dr.

J Allen Hynek from a skeptic to a believer. There was physical evidence. There was an outstanding eye witness in an officer’s, a Maura. When we talk about people, not wanting to talk about things, this is a guy who did not want to talk about it. And actually in later years of his life refused to do interviews about it.

He didn’t go out on the UFO circuit. He didn’t write a book, he didn’t try to make money, but he definitely experienced something that was extraordinary.

[00:26:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. I don’t really know that, um, case too well. So I’m going to have to research into that of myself. But, yeah, it’s definitely one of those things. Like I said, that people just assume that as soon as people get abducted, they just run to the tabloids or whatever, but a lot of them, uh, really are secretive about it.

Cause they don’t want to seem different in or feel like people will think they’re crazy. It’s just, um, that’s what makes it more realistic to me than just now? Of course, there’s some that are fabricated. You know, I’ve heard some wild abduction stories. That just seem a little far-fetched for me.

[00:27:13] Richard: Yeah. I know what you mean.

And when, when you get into some of these where, uh, they’re ducted and, and, you know, they’re, uh, zoomed off to, you know, to Venus or Jupiter, right. For a little sightseeing tour, and then they come back and, you know, those are the ones that. Are really hard for me to, to sort of latch onto, or the aliens gave them some deep, deep meaning for all of mankind.

Um, really because these aliens over here are just probing people and like taking skin samples and then kicking them off their ship, you know? So which one

[00:27:52] Jeremiah: is it? Yeah. And a lot of the, like what I consider the real UFO abduction. Abduction stories are like, the people don’t even really remember it. They have to go to like, um, hypno hypnosis or regression or some type of therapy to get that experience out.


[00:28:15] Richard: the ones that have, or, or it comes back gradually to them right there, it’s very fuzzy and yeah, but I know what you mean, your.

[00:28:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. So the ones where they talk, like you said about traveling to Venus on a sightseeing tour, her, like, I don’t know, I’m not discounting them completely, but it just seems a little little out there for me.

[00:28:36] Richard: Yeah. Yeah. It’s uh, and the whole. You know, space brotherhood, uh, you know, joined the interplanetary circle, you know, kind of stuff that comes out. And the next thing you know, that person is writing a book, right. I’m putting a book out. So, um, for me it it’s a little dubious.

[00:28:56] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s like the Benny and Barney hill case that you spoke of.

That is a huge one. And I believe from what I’ve heard of it, that they as well weren’t really. About coming out about it.

[00:29:11] Richard: They were, um, it took them quite a while and you know, they tried to do the right thing to they, they went to the air force and reported it to the air force. Um, what they couldn’t get away from was, uh, Barney.

Had a lot of anxiety. He ended up going to, um, a psychiatrist. Betty was having nightmares and they were very, very, um, detailed lucid nightmares. And that’s really how she was remembering what happened to her because when she went through the hypnotic hypnosis sessions, Um, basically she was recounting pretty much the same thing as the nightmare.

She was having, um, a little bit different in some, uh, details, but basically the same, the same thing, but they did not want to talk about it. And they finally went to, um, a session, uh, or a, um, program that their church was having. They were members of a Unitarian church and there was a. Uh, speaker on, on UFO’s and, uh, abduction cases and stuff.

And so they approached him after his presentation and they described what was going on. He put them in touch with, um, a couple of people that then were able to start to help them, uh, kind of bring, bring back these repressed memories and, and the details then started coming out. But you’re right.

Initially they did not want to talk to people about it.

[00:30:51] Jeremiah: Yeah. So with the abduction, uh, phenomenon, it seems a lot of it is focused around, uh, reproduction. So, uh, I say sexual, but I don’t mean it in like having sex. I’m more like in the reproduction aspect of it. What is your insight on the abduction phenomenon?

From what you’ve. Research like, is, is there something to that or,

[00:31:21] Richard: yeah, there’s sort of a, uh, you’re you are correct. There’s sort of this pseudo sexual kind of thing, even the, um, and I’m not being funny here, but even the anal probes, you know, are sort of in that, that area. Right. Um, I, I don’t. I, you know, it appears if you’re, if you’re talking to me about implants and tracking and, uh, alien human hybrid, you know, babies, I, I have a little bit of problem with that.

I, I don’t see that. Um, but if you’re talking about basically, um, taking samples, skin samples, Um, hair samples, um, you know, checking things like with, um, with both Barney and, and Betty, the aliens ran their, their hands down, their spinal cord. And both of them thought at the time that they were actually counting the vertebras as they were doing it.

So, you know, this whole thing about trying to figure out what humans are, how they work, um, and who knows what for what purpose? Right? I mean, honestly, I mean, is it. Find our vulnerabilities, you know, for, for an alien attack or, um, I don’t know. I couldn’t even guess at what their, their reasonings, you know, their reason for doing that is, but I think those sorts of medical ish, um, circumstances tend to be pretty.

And they tend to be, um, they, they, they tend to be very, uh, very much alike when you listen to the details of them.

[00:33:06] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. And it definitely almost all of the abductions that I’ve heard about include some type of like examination. I think you might be right. That they’re just trying to figure out what exactly we are, how we tick, so to speak.

And for what purpose we’ll probably never know, but

[00:33:28] Richard: let’s hope we don’t. Yeah.

[00:33:30] Jeremiah: Or let’s hope. Hope not, unless it’s a good, good reason, but

[00:33:33] Richard: a good thing. Right. Unless it’s a good thing.

[00:33:36] Jeremiah: So you had spoken about. The black eye children. Is this part of the whole alien thing or is this black-eyed children thing?


[00:33:45] Richard: completely different? Yeah. No, that’s a really good question, Jeremiah. So it’s black eye kids, uh, and you’ll see the you’ll actually see it as B E Ks black-eyed kids. And, um, what are they? That’s the million dollar question. Uh, the guesses range from. Flat-out aliens to alien human hybrids to, uh, demonic entities, demons, um, um, interdimensional beings, uh, you know what they are.

It’s really difficult to say. And, and the thing is when you talk to people who have encountered them, or you go through those cases, it’s almost the terror is almost to the point where. It’s like, I don’t even care what they are. I just know that whatever they are, they’re evil because it radiated. Could feel it.

Feel the terror. Knew that if they, if I let them into my house, if I let them into my car, something really, really bad was going to happen. And so that’s the overall feeling, but there, you know, the theories of what they are, it really runs through.

[00:35:05] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve definitely heard about them, but I haven’t really researched into him into them.

To be honest. I was just curious if they had any connection with the aliens or UFO’s or anything like

[00:35:16] Richard: that. Yeah, there’s no, there’s no sightings. Uh, at least I’ve never run across any there’s no sightings of UFO’s in the area. For example, if you look at. You know, some big foot sightings. Uh, there are situations where UFO’s were, were seen in the area prior to Bigfoot showing up.

Right. So maybe there’s a connection we don’t know, but I’ve never run across that with the black eyed kids, but I have read and come across, um, the possibility that they could be alien or alien hybrids. It’s one of the possibilities.

[00:35:50] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s definitely, I’ve seen like pictures of them. So. Definitely creepy.

[00:35:55] Richard: I don’t know. It really is

[00:35:57] Jeremiah: another thing that has kind of like made me think over the past few years or whatever is like, whenever I look at a picture of your classical, like gray alien, I don’t know why, but I feel uneasy. Like, it’s almost like my subconscious knows something that I don’t really know. So I wonder if there’s anything to that.

That’s just a random thought that I, that I had.

[00:36:24] Richard: Yeah. They’re not, uh, I, you know, I’m the, the pictures that you see. Uh, they’re definitely creepy to me. And if I, if I saw something like that, standing in my bedroom, you know, in the middle of the night, I mean, you know, I would, that’s probably why they, they have to induce people into like, almost like a coma state, because people are, would be so completely freaked out.

You know, you’d have people having heart attacks and things.

[00:36:56] Jeremiah: Yeah. It does seem like a common occurrence where they’ll. Like put you under paralysis or, you know, you’ll remember any of it.

[00:37:07] Richard: Right, right.

[00:37:08] Jeremiah: And it seems like they can manipulate like, uh, physics and stuff like that. Cause I’ve heard stories of them taking people through dug the windows of, or the walls of their house without actually like opening anything.

And it’s this very interesting.

[00:37:26] Richard: Yeah. I’ve, I’ve read those cases too, where, um, people just watch them phase right through the wall, into their room. And that, you know, I mean, you talk about something that’s terrifying. It’s like, you can’t even count on the walls, you know, to keep somebody out and it Truder out.


[00:37:45] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s definitely a scary thing also. I don’t know if you have heard this, but I have, because I’ve looked into, um, What are they like hallucinogenic type substances, like mushrooms. There’s a Iowasca is one where people have taken these substances and they claim that they have actually had alien encounters.

So I don’t know if you’ve looked into that at all, but it might be something that you might want to look into because I just find it really strange that there’s people. I don’t really have anything to do with aliens or UFO’s or anything, but they say that they encounter what we would consider

[00:38:29] Richard: classic gray.

I mean, the thing that, that kinda struck me as you, as you were talking about it is, um, of all the things you could do, if you were, you know, taking a psychedelic. W w why would it be aliens? Right. I think, I think that’s a good point. You’re raising. Why would it be aliens? Why wouldn’t it be, you know, something really groovy, you know, something really fun.

[00:38:56] Jeremiah: Yeah. Or if you’re in a bad trip, like demons or something, but aliens. So I wonder, I mean, I’m not, it’s just speculation, but I wonder if those people who witnessed. Actually I’ve had an accounter just don’t remember, and the drugs are like bringing that to the surface or something.

[00:39:19] Richard: I certainly think that’s plausible.

[00:39:22] Jeremiah: Yeah. Yeah. Cause I think there might be more people than we know that have had an experience, but they just don’t remember it.

[00:39:33] Richard: Yeah. Um, you know, there are, there are those, there are those hallmark. Um, and they tend to be the biggest one is a lost time. So, um, uh, now that’s not going to really matter to you if you’re sleeping in your bed at night and, uh, somehow you were spirited away, but in these other cases where somebody is driving, uh, as in the case of Betty and Barney hill, and you see, um, a UFO and, and then you have this encounter, And you don’t remember it all, you know, is all of a sudden, you’re kind of aware again and you look and you notice you’ve lost two, three hours.

Right? Um, that’s, that’s really a key sign that something definitely has happened.

[00:40:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. And it bugs me because I hear a lot of the. Abduction deniers. They say like, oh, it’s just sleep paralysis. That’s all it is. And, but how do you explain ones? Like any Barney hill where they were in their car or people who were out in the woods or fishing or whatever, like how has that sleep paralysis?

So like, yeah.

[00:40:52] Richard: And of course the answer is it’s not right. So, you know, when I look at these things, Almost every single episode in the topics that I cover. It, it really boils down to this situation and it’s kind of, um, you know, a conundrum or a catch 22, if you will. But, but it is what it is. It comes down to this.

You can’t absolutely prove. That they were abducted or they ran into Bigfoot or, uh, or any number of things you can’t, you know, they can’t prove that that really happened. Okay. However, you can’t prove it. So you’re kind of stuck in this place and over and over again, it really comes back to, there are some cases where you do have some physical evidence that would suggest maybe something happened, or there was something there, but even that could be explained to different ways.

So it really comes down to, and it comes down to this for my, my listeners. Do you believe the account because. You know, you can say all the skeptical things you want, but you can’t prove it didn’t happen to that person any more than they can prove that it did. And so you really, in the, in the end, in the final analysis, you have to make up your own mind as to whether you believe it or.

[00:42:23] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. Definitely. And even the ones, like we talked about where they fly to Venus and all they could be telling the a hundred percent truth. I just, I just choose not to believe it, but I mean, like you said, there’s no way I can prove that they didn’t experience that.

[00:42:40] Richard: Right. Right. Exactly. And, um, you know, uh, you have, uh, Linda Goodman of course was.

Reporter for a small newspaper in Wisconsin and wrote the book on the beast of Bray road and has done all the, that investigation. And now she’s kind of expanded out into other investigations of different creatures that people are seeing out there. And when she took that, that on. As a reporter for the local paper, she thought it was a farce and she thought, yeah, okay.

I’ll, I’ll go out and do this story. She really didn’t want to. And, and she thought, uh, this, this is just ridiculous, but okay. You know, it’s my assignment. I’ll go out and do it. It was after talking to the witnesses and there was no proof. There was no physical proof. But after talking to these witnesses who had seen this car, You know, multiple people, that’s when she started to get this gut feeling that something there’s something more here and these people are genuine and they have encountered something.

[00:43:48] Jeremiah: Yeah. There’s been times where I’m like, that doesn’t sound right. And then I hear other accounts or witnesses or. Uh, other people who experienced the same thing, and then it changes my mind, like, okay, maybe this did happen.

[00:44:06] Richard: Yeah. And I think it’s healthy to be skeptical, you know, it it’s, um, look, when you go into, um, and you look at project blue book, project blue book had, uh, Something like over well, over 12,000 cases that they investigated only 700, a little over 700 of those were unexplainable.

And when they talk about, um, those that were explained, the vast majority of those, you can absolutely believe, uh, from the standpoint of people, misidentifying, Venus, I’ve seen. Okay. Up in the sky where it, it, I know exactly what it is. I’ve also seen Venus at dusk at the horizon when it, it was huge and it looked like the lights of a plane.

So, you know, people are going to misidentify that they see a cloud. They miss a misidentify that they see a commercial aircraft and maybe they can’t hear an engine and they misidentified. So those things happen right. We’re still left with over 700 that were the air force. Couldn’t couldn’t make a determination on what those are.

What I tell people. Um, Jeremiah, when it comes to UFO’s is this, you know, people will ask me, do you believe in UFO’s there’s nothing to believe in UFO’s are a fact unidentified flying objects. They are they exist? There is no question that there are things that are in the sky that are unidentifiable. Now, does that mean they’re alien craft?

No. You know, interdimensional beings or anything else, um, that, that you want to put forward? No, it doesn’t. There’s no hard proof of that, but you can’t say that UFO’s don’t exist because they do.

[00:45:59] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, for sure. Numerous accounts throughout history of this phenomenon happening for it. Not to be a fact

now, whether it’s, you know, alien or whatever, that’s up to you to decide, but it’s definitely happening. Right. And I thought it was kind of weird. And me and my friends joked about it was. During this pandemic and COVID and all that stuff, kinda like right in the middle of it, the government decided, Hey, we’re just going to drop all these UFO files.

And we’re going to say that UFO’s are real. And that we’ve looked into that. But no one really batted an eye because it was kinda covered with the whole

[00:46:48] Richard: uh Pantex. Yeah. And we’re still investigating. Yeah, that was to me, the shocker it’s like, yeah, we did away with project blue book back in 69. Oh, well we’re still investigating them.

We didn’t tell you that, but yeah, we’re still doing it, so, yeah, really interesting. I’ll tell you something really quick, Jeremy, uh, Jeremiah to, to give you another personal story. And it’s my son, one of my sons. Oh, I have a couple of sons in the. He, uh, one of them is coming back. He’s on base. He’s coming back from the gym and it’s at night and he’s just kind of, you know, bopping along and he’s looking up in the sky and he sees this light and it’s a, it’s a bright light.

So, he’s stops and he’s looking at it. The first thing he thinks is it’s, you know, it’s an airplane, but it’s drifting kind of slow. Then it, it absolutely stopped. As he’s watching it, it shoots off horizontally at, at tremendous speed and it’s gone. Right. And he’s freaking out. So he calls me up and he says, dad, dad, he goes, uh, I, I’m not joking.

I think I saw a UFO. I said, okay. You know, tell me, tell me about it. And so he kind of describes, and he goes, I, you know, the question I have is I thought it might be a meteor, but can do meteors, like stop. I was like, no, no, they don’t stop. No, if it was a meter, you, you would’ve known it. Uh, think shooting star, you know, you would, you would definitely know that.

Um, and you know, the one feeling I got out of that whole thing, man, was IGL. I want to see a UFO and adhere. He was just walking along and, you know, but I think, uh, for your listeners and for mine to keep your eyes to the skies because, um, people are seeing stuff all the time, man, all the time. Yeah.

[00:48:46] Jeremiah: It’s funny you say that.

Cause I was literally just thinking. In this modern age with all this technology and smartphones and all that stuff, people don’t really take the time to look up. They don’t look at the sky, they don’t really pay attention to it. And if they’re in the city, they have, you know, all the, uh, what do they call that like light pollution and all that stuff.

Yeah, I try to take more time to look up words and check out the SGAs like, even if it’s just taken out the trash or something, I can look up and just look around.

[00:49:23] Richard: Yeah. I D I do it all the time and I, and I want people to be, to, you know, to, to. To use their, you know, use their, their brains a little bit.

Right. If they see a light don’t jump and say, oh, you know, it’s a UFO. Um, think about it, you know, listen, you know, can you hear, can you hear engines? Um, you know, is it at a height where it could be a drunk. Uh, or any number of things. Right. But, but kind of use your common sense first. Don’t just, don’t just go there and make that leap without really kind of considering what you’re seeing.

Oh yeah, for

[00:50:00] Jeremiah: sure. And my favorite UFO case, I guess, um, was the Phoenix lights and.

[00:50:09] Richard: Yes. Yes. I did an episode on that. It really

[00:50:13] Jeremiah: is compelling. How can you deny something happened? Because you have so many people from so many different areas you had the, uh, I think it was the governor was making fun of it, but then came back out later saying, look, yeah, there was something going on.


[00:50:31] Richard: Yeah, he saw it. Right. And, and the most to me, the most ludicrous thing, which, which is what they really tried to paint this as was the, um, flares, you know, aircraft dropping flares. And it’s like flares do not, first of all, they don’t hover at exactly the same distance and move concertedly as one story.

You know, one group consistently moving that whole time. Uh, and for the amount of distance that this thing was seeing, you know, flares don’t last, that, that kind of length of time? No,

[00:51:06] Jeremiah: not at all. That’s a sad excuse that they

[00:51:10] Richard: put out. Yeah, it really was.

[00:51:13] Jeremiah: But, yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for coming on the show and sharing your experiences.

And, uh, is there a website that people can go to to find your stuff? I know you have your podcast.

[00:51:28] Richard: Yeah, I, um, I would point them to, you can go out on Facebook and S and just do a search for. The paranormal factor podcast, make sure you put in the word podcast as well, and you’ll pull it up. And we do a lot of really good content.

I put something out every single day, Monday through Friday. So Mondays we call it monster Monday. I highlight a monster. Uh, give you some info Tuesdays. Um, we have a quiz, but you’re not going to get the answer to the quiz unless you listened to that week’s episode. Wednesday, I cover a paranormal book or film.

And in Thursday I try to give you some, some current news, uh, on paranormal stuff from out there in the world. And then Friday is when we dropped the episode every Friday at 5:00 AM central time. So I really appreciate the opportunity. Um, Jeremiah really fun talking to you, man. Really, really good discussion.

I enjoyed it. Very.

[00:52:23] Jeremiah: Oh, yes, I appreciate you coming on. And I love speaking to like-minded people. And even if we have different views on different things, at least we can, uh, come to terms with, you know, there’s something and just discuss it without it becoming like a heated thing or anything. So, so yeah, definitely had a good time and I will definitely link your stuff in the show notes and.

That way people can find you easy and yeah. Thank you for coming on.

[00:52:57] Richard: Yeah. Appreciate it, man. Take care of yourself and, uh, have a great night. You too.

[00:53:03] Jeremiah: And there you have it. Richard Wright giving us great insight into the abduction phenomenon. We had a good conversation. Just remember, go support him, Sean.

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