[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast. The podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Hello, my fellow terrestrials and welcome back. We’re gonna have a stimulating conversation with Dr. David Edward. Gonna be talking about a mystery that’s as old as time, and that is the law city of Atlantis. Be talking with Dave about his, uh, research. His evidence that he thinks he has found the law city of Atlantis.

So, we’ll get into a riveting conversation about what he has found. But first, if you could rate and review the show, I would highly appreciate it. And also if you want to contact me, you can go to on the contact page? You can shoot me an email if you want to be a guest on the show. Or, if you have a show topic idea. If you just wanna talk about anything, fringe hit me up on there.

I respond to all my messages in a timely manner. So, let’s travel back in time with Dave Edward. Talk about the law city of Atlantas and remember question everything. Hello, and welcome to the what if the wrong podcast? I’m your host. Jeremiah. I’m joined today by Dave, and we’re gonna be talking about Atlantis.

The topic that a lot of people like to dive into, or just have a curiosity about. David here wrote a book on Atlantis and what he thinks about Atlantis. Where he thinks Atlantis is located. So we’ll get into all that juicy stuff later. So right now I’ll introduce him. Hello, David. Hello, Jeremiah.

[00:02:09] David: How are you? Good. How are you? I am I’m super duper. It’s it’s eight. O’clock where I am. So, normally I’m pretty lit up by now. But, I held off on all of that so we could have a good coherent podcast.

[00:02:20] Jeremiah: Yep. It’s eight o’clock here too. And okay, beautiful. Uh, it’s five o’clock somewhere, I guess.

[00:02:25] David: yeah, it, it, those poor bastards.

[00:02:30] Jeremiah: yeah, we got, um, a very hot topic. A lot of people like to look into it and fantasize about it. Solans what, uh, What made you like set off on this journey? Like, did you hear about it? And you were like, yeah, I’m gonna write a book about this. Or, um, like, is it something you’ve always been interested

[00:02:56] David: in?

Yeah, look, I’m a nerd. Right. And it sounds like we’re both kind of like nerds. I, I think I’m a little older than you. So, you know. I came up in, in the seventies when I was a kid. You know, we didn’t have as much content as we do now. Um, but if there was a book written on Atlantis or, uh, spaceships. I mean, anything Erick Von Daniken wrote, you know.

I, I read it as a kid. It’s just what I read. I watched all the shows. Constantly, constantly, and I’ve been watching the shows for, for 30 years and stuff. So, so basically, I don’t know, it was. Maybe four months ago now. Um, I had, I had listened to all of the, what if the wrong podcasts that I, I possibly could.

I’m an old guy. I can’t sleep. So, I was up and I just, I, you know, I, I, I looped through your stuff over and over again. And then when I ran outta that content, I went over to YouTube. Uh, and I started in, in YouTube, fed me the, uh, bright insight channel with Jimmy Corcetti. Um, if you’re familiar with that and he, in 2018. He kind of, I guess, created his channel and he found this thing called the rich hat structure.

Although it goes a little bit before him. I know the whole history of it. Which we can get into, but he kind of, he’s the one who popularized it. Um, and he kind of broke the news. And then, so in 2018, 19,020, there was obviously a lot of gyration around this particular location. Called the rich hat structure, which is in, uh, the, uh, Western Sahara. Um, in a country called more.

And so I, I was watching this and I have a background. I’ve got, uh, a doctorate degree, I’ve got three graduate degrees. I’ve been president of university. Um, you know, I’ve taken Asian history courses, I’ve written 42 books. So I, I have that toolkit. And when I saw this and I listened to ’em, I was like, you know, I think there’s something there.

Uh, so I decided, and, and Jimmy does a really good job and I’ve talked to Jimmy. Um, in fact he and I, we have a couple projects we’re actually working on. Um, but he didn’t get everything right. I didn’t think. I kind of delved into it and I, you know, and he started exploring. He realized there are some criticisms.

So I, I wanted to see if he was right. So I started my own research kind of independently from, from ground zero. Um, using much more of a scientific methodology, very modern, uh, approach to this. And I said, let me see if I can verify, uh, how close this RHA structure, um, fits. Uh, to what, uh, we know about Atlantis and we can get into what we know.

We don’t know very much. But, we know something and I’ve had, there’s another guy, David STIG, Hanson. Who I always, um, mention, I don’t know if you know him. He has a channel, uh, on YouTube with, under his name. And, um, he’s actually been to the rich hat structure. He has millions of photos and he’s got lots of videos. I’ve talked to him, uh, at great length.

He’s a talker. I’ve got a, uh, a geochemist, I’ve worked with to look at some of the rocks that are out there. So, we’re trying to, to do this a little more scientifically and analytically. Um, which is kind of how I fell into this whole thing. And the book Atlanta’s solved the final definitive proof, which is of course, available on Amazon.

It came out in, uh, April of this year. So

[00:05:56] Jeremiah: for the people listening that might not know what is this Ette structure and where is it

[00:06:02] David: located? Sure. And let’s, and so let’s talk about two things. We’ve got the Ette structure and how it lines up to. Atlantis. And then, we’ve got what we know about Atlantis. What we think we know about Atlantis. Cuz, there’s a lot of, uh, nonsense to use a kid friendly word. About whatever this place is, but what the rich hat structure is.

It’s a, um, they call it a, uh, a volcanic dome. Um, so was just a way that’s explaining how it was formed. If you go look at it. If you just go to Google and you type in RHA, um, R I C H a T um. That’s why I gotta type in. You’ll start to see pictures of go over to the images and what it is. It’s um, about 345 miles inland, which we’ll talk about why that’s actually good versus bad.

And it is a geologic formation that has mountains to the north is open to the south it’s um, in the middle of the Western Sahara desert, it has, uh, a center structure and then it has two concentric circles of raised. And then between those lower areas, where if there was water, if it was raining, you know, it’d be a lake.

So you have, you have this classic kind of Atlantis sign of a center island and then two concentric, um, rings of water and land outside of it. Uh, so it looks really interesting and it doesn’t look like anything else on earth. Um, and it’s in, uh, more which just the name of that country. It’s kind of a cool name, right?

Mo no other country in Africa has, has a name like that. Um, but yeah, and, and this has been known, uh, in the book and available on the internet are a lot of, uh, uh, NASA images, a lot of satellite image of this thing. It was discovered like in the 1950s, when we started putting satellites up and it’s actually a landmark that, uh, uh, the space shuttle, the us space shuttle uses when we had one, we don’t have one now, but when they had one, they would use it to, um, uh, what they call coordinate, you know, on their approach.

When they, when they got over this part of the world, they could see it very visible from space and they would use that to kind of know about where they were. So it’s, it’s just a wildly interesting. Yeah.

[00:08:02] Jeremiah: So I guess the originating story about Atlantis and this loss civilization goes back to, um, Plato.

And, um, I forget the name of it. It’s like Craus and TAUs or something.

[00:08:17] David: Yeah. Courteous and Timus um, and you know, you can have, I, I, I, for a long time thought it was CR courteous. Um, and tinies, but I guess that’s not the right way to say it. So it’s courteous. It’s a hard eye as, as they say, but yeah, so he, he wrote, so, so let’s talk about, so Plato is, um, uh, an ancient Greek philosopher.

That’s how, that’s what we call him today. I don’t think he would’ve seen himself that way, but he wrote a bunch of things called dialogues and what these dialogues were, and this is in what they call the classical, uh, grease period. So we’re talking 400 BC plus and minus, um, and the dialogues were.

recording a lot of the conversations he had with his teacher, Socrates, um, Plato actually founded a school, uh, and famous people like Aristotle. If you’ve heard of Aristotle, you know, graduated from the school. In fact, there’s, there was some, there’s some controversy with Aristotle that we can get into.

Plato died in like, um, I 19 or, uh, 360 something or three 40 something, uh, BCE. It was like he died 12 years after Alexander. The great was born. Um, and Aristot. Mentored Alexander. The great, so we’ve kind of got lineage, you know, all the way from Socrates through Plato, through Aristotle, to Alexander the great of course, Alexander the great conquered, um, conquered the world in these dialogues.

We, all of us didn’t read the Republic. We carried it around when we were in high school, I think in 10th grade, um, we probably carried it around from month as we were supposed to be reading it, but no one read it. You know, none of us read it even, I didn’t read it and I’m super into this stuff, but you know, I’m not gonna do it.

They told me to read it. So there’s no way I was gonna read it. um, but that’s his most famous work, the Republic. Um, and in the Republic he tells us things like, um, uh, uh, what. If, if he were to try and put a government together, because one, he, one of the things he was trying to figure out is what does a good form of self-government government look like?

Right? Because the Athenians, they invented democracy. Um, the way they did it, it had, uh, a few more challenges than we have today. Some of the problems they had were the same, but so he did a lot of that. He, he wrote out, well, if, you know, maybe if we were to kind of do a thought experiment and, and put it all together, he wrote all that down.

And then he had this, an allegory called the cave, which is very famous. This is like the most famous, uh, platonic or Plato thing. And, um, what that, what he was trying to do there is explain, okay. You know, like what’s a chair, you know, what is justice? What’s the right thing to do? And his theory was, there is kind of the perfect version of it.

Like when we look at something and we know it’s the chair, how do we know it’s a chair? Well, cuz a chair has attributes and has kind of a perfect form. He would say, and then the real world is all copies of that form. And then so, you know, and so that’s his thing in courteous. Um, he records the story of Atlantis from Crius who’s the speaker of it and, and Crius his grand.

Great, great, great grandfather named Solon had gone to Egypt in 600 BCE, um, because Solon was a, uh, Athenian, um, Politician. And this is early. This is before the classical period. This, when they’re, they’re, they’re trying, they come outta their dark age. Uh, and he went there trying to figure out what to do.

Uh, one of the things that the Egyptians did was they talked to him about their ancient history. Um, and he wrote down what they said, and they spent a lot of time translating, um, a lot of the hieroglyphics and the scrolls and the histories they have into this ancient history story of Atlantis, which is what he wrote down.

And then one of the myths is that, uh, Plato heard it. It was kinda like this oral tradition. Um, it was passed down for hundreds of years. So it couldn’t be that accurate, but that’s not actually what he says, what he says is this guy courteous, um, had possession of the scroll that Solon wrote, he read it.

And then he was telling, um, Plato and other people, um, what is said. Uh, so that’s kind of how we know about Atlantas.

[00:11:58] Jeremiah: Okay. And then from that, um, I know he talked about like, you, you come at a different take than a lot of people where like a lot of people think that. Oh, Atlantas was super advanced, had like lasers and, you know, spaceships and stuff like that.

But you, from what I’ve heard, like think it was more of like more advanced for that time. Not like what we think of advanced.

[00:12:24] David: Yeah. I mean, look, one of the problems with Atlantas and it’s hard to talk about, and there’s a lot of setup to do, just to be able to talk about it. Um, but the Atlantas has been beaten to death, right?

And it, you can pretty much go find someone who is gonna tell you they’re an authority, uh, who will tell you anything about it. But look, it’s not nuclear submarines. It’s not UFOs, it’s not death race. Matter of fact, the RHA structure in the time period, which we can get to the time period doesn’t require, um, a single thing.

That we know, you know, typically people that, that like Atlantis or UFOs, they have this term called, you know, like the, the, the mainstream academics, right. Or academia or, or so, and they’ll say, well, they’re wrong. And then this is what it really is. But for the rich structure to be Atlantis, no one has to be wrong.

Um, here’s what, here’s what we know about it. Uh, the, the time period we’re talking about. So the story in play that says it happened 9,000 years before Solon went to Egypt. Well, he went to Egypt in 96 or in 600 BC. Um, he had 9,000 years, so he get 90. Uh, thousand BC, uh, that time period corresponds to two things that, that actually lend a lot of credibility to what Plato’s saying.

Uh, the first is we’re dealing with a time period at, at the end of, um, what they call the younger dries. And I can tell you what the, what a dries is basically it’s it was the last ice age. Um, and it’s when all of a sudden, exactly like to, almost to the, to the day, um, the earth temperature increased like 40 degrees, which is a hint that something.

Bad happened. And there would’ve been things like earthquakes and tsunamis and all that stuff. Now, also during the last ice age, this part of Africa, the entire Sahara desert from, um, from Egypt all the way over through Libya, um, through Morocco and then through more, all the way to the Atlantic ocean was what they called the green Sahara.

So, you know, we talked about it, what time it was I’m in Florida. I’m, I’m just a hair north, uh, you know, latitude longit longitude, um, of, you know, where this thing is on the planet. So the weather was about like what I’m seeing, which is it rains a lot. Um, it was very green. They, they, there were huge lakes in the middle of Africa lake.

Chad was the biggest lake on the planet for a long time during this period. Um, so that’s 9,600 BC. What history tells us is two things were going on in 9,600 BC, uh, first off and, and historians don’t dispute this younger driest thing. In fact, uh, there was the younger dries sea older dries, and the oldest dries, which go back in time and the dries is just a plant apparently.

And they can that preserves well, so they can. Measure the plant in the, in the soil and stuff. And they can fig kind of guess what was going on on the planet. Um, we also know about about 10,000 BC is when agriculture is when is when hunter gatherers and cavemen, whatever you wanna call ’em started to, to, um, form into camps and started to, um, have agriculture as part of what they do.

And so they started to build societies around it. So that that’s 10,000 BC, that that’s 400 years before this 9,600. Um, so no, one’s gonna dispute that. Um, and then we have the, uh, uh, what they call, they call it the pre pottery neolithic, which is, so you have the ice age, which ended about 9,600 BC. And, and then you have, uh, the pre pottery, neolithic and neolithic.

That just means the new stone age. So it’s a transition from the, the prior stone age, but all pre pottery neolithic means at this time is that, um, people use stones as tools and they hadn’t, they weren’t baking pots yet. which is consistent with what we find, um, at, at the structure. Uh, it’s also consistent with, um, people living in this area.

And if you look at the rich hat structure and you, you take into account that, um, we’re talking about the green Sahara, then we’re talking about a ton of rain. We’ve got lake Chad, biggest lake on the planet. It’s raining, raining, raining, and, and the geography around this thing fits perfectly to, if, if it’s raining a lot, the rivers drain into this large basin around where these, um, islands would’ve been, uh, they form a river that flows, you know, to the sea.

There there’s plenty of room for agriculture and all the things that Plato tells us, um, that they were doing. So it’s, it’s, it’s the only thing about, um, is the only answer for Atlantis. It doesn’t require you to conflict with any of the current view of history and it matches everything Plato’s set. So a lot of times, you know, I talked about these TV shows I watched in the, in the seventies, eighties, even, even still you watch ’em in, in the, format’s still the same, the first half hour.

It’s just amazing travel log with very smart sounding people who are telling you how they’ve got the whole thing figured out and you buy into it. Then the second half hour is them, uh, telling you how now they, they don’t really know, and they gotta change this and maybe Plato got this wrong. You know, maybe the time’s this or time’s that.

Next, they never answer the question. Right. But for this, we can answer the question without having to conflict with anything Plato said, without having to have current historians changed anything they believe or know about our history, which I think is, uh, amazing.

[00:17:19] Jeremiah: So if it’s in this part of Northern Africa and you said it was inland, um, how does that.

go with the tail of like it being in the sea and then sinking.

[00:17:34] David: Yeah. Well it says, it says it sink into the sea and, you know, remember we’re dealing with a translated document and we’re dealing with language that has, you know, not none, no one speaks ancient Greek anymore. Um, so if you were trying to describe, you know, we all lived, we had that tsunami in, um, in Japan.

I don’t, I forget how long ago it was 10 years ago, whatever it was. But if you were trying to explain what happened to the nuclear power plan, um, and you’re gonna go through a couple translations. One of the things you could have said is that the sea swallowed it, which is a hundred percent accurate, but, and it did, but it didn’t mean it doesn’t mean it was on an island in the middle of the ocean has sunk into the.

So that language we, you know, historically, and I say, Atlantis has been beaten to death, that there is this odd historical narrative, um, that, that people will gravitate to, if they don’t like what you’re saying, and they’ll try and use it to, to, to, you know, kind of poo poo your view, um, or they will gravitate to, um, if they think it supports their view.

Uh, but if we just look at what the words mean, you know, to Playto this, this thing sits, it sits, uh, the rich hat stressor today is somewhere between three and 4,000 feet above sea level. So about half a mile, little more than half a mile. Um, it’s, it’s, uh, Playto tells us was on a, a gently sloping plane to the sea with mountains to the north of 300 stadia.

Okay. So a stadia is 607 feet, and that’s the Alexandrian measure, which is the measure that, that, um, uh, that Plato would’ve used, you know, to talk about. So. When you multiply 607 feet times 3000, you get 345 miles up three and 45 miles. Plato tells us it was on a gently sloping plane, 3000 stadia. The, the eye of this aha is on a gently sloping plane with mountains to the north, um, up 345 miles.

So that fits and the biggest tsunami that has been observed was like 1700 feet tall. Okay. Um, right now I, I mentioned if, if the, if the sea level would arise like 400 feet, then this thing would be at the sea level. It’s not gonna do that, but so a S a big tsunami coming up that gently sloping plane at 345 miles, there’s nothing to stop it.

Um, and we know tsunamis form that could very easily reach this area and much farther inland. Um, if, if the, uh, if the plates shifted and the plate, and there is a plate there, there’s a Ridge that could actually send this to the west coast of Africa. So it just makes it, it makes sense further it’s on the cover of the book.

Um, it’s in Jimmy’s videos and it’s just a, a picture that’s out there. One of the NASA pictures, you can clearly see it’s it’s, it is an image from the west looking east, and you can see, uh, the, the remnants of the water flowing away, flowing out. So the hu economy coming in, and then you can see it pulling down and all the drainage.

And it’s still visible today. It’s, it’s, it’s infinitely clear what it is when you look at the satellite view from that side. Yeah.

[00:20:23] Jeremiah: And he also said in his video about like their salt deposits

[00:20:28] David: yeah. Around that all salt is sodium sodium chloride, and all salt comes from the sea. Um, and there is, I mean, how does Morita make its money, uh, mining and play hotels?

This place was rich in mining and, and salt mining that that’s like their primary, uh, source of income. It, it it’s, I mean, it’s, cuz it’s mostly desert, you know, it’s a very difficult country. Um, but yeah, they make the money today, still salt mining and the only way. Uh, to have salt, there is if the ocean was over it and then a lot of water evaporated.

Right. Um, which is doesn’t mean it had to be, uh, it having to do with Atlantas, but it supports the, you know, we’re dealing with circumstances, it supports the circumstance that this thing was covered in water and, and the salt is proof of that. And there’s salt everywhere out there. Yeah,

[00:21:14] Jeremiah: definitely. And I saw, um, that there’s evidence of like water erosion around the area, even though it’s like a desert.

[00:21:22] David: Oh yeah. We found, in fact, I told you I’ve got a geologist that no one knows that. So this is the first time I’m mentioning this. And I don’t, I don’t want to like to come forward with stuff and tell us completely thought out, but we’ve found, um, what, and, and so, you know, we, David Hanson went there about a year ago.

He’s going back in October to verify this. We have pictures of this. We, we found what we, what looks like a, a stone platform kind of on the Northern and Eastern side of this thing. Very, very big, huge, uh, which we’re gonna examine. We found. Hundreds of canals, uh, and, and agricultural work. Um, the type of things you see in, uh, what they call it, step agriculture, uh, what you would see, you know, if, if you had a big agrarian, um, society, we, uh, we see that.

And then we see, uh, structures that look exactly like the BI road, um, about 10 miles to the north of this rich hat structure. People like the BIM road, you know, the, the, the people that don’t like the rich hat structure tend to like the Azos is the answer for this, which, which we can talk about. But you know, we, we’re dealing with this city of Atlantas the continent of Atlantas and then this, this kingdom of Atlantas and I, and I think it’s pretty obvious that this was a seafaring culture.

When you look at how they, um, grew their food, and then you look at things like the BIM road and you see that same sign, even though that’s underwater. You know, you maybe use dealing with people that had the same, you know, we we’re gonna use this term technology in advanced and all that. Let’s talk about what that, that means they weren’t advanced from our standpoint.

Um, but they certainly were advanced from Platos. Uh, now they weren’t, they weren’t advanced when it came to the ability to kill each other, cuz we’re talking about a stone age culture. Right. So, so they, um, in fact, and we know they weren’t very good at war because while they did invade Libya in Egypt, in parts of Europe, uh, whatever was going on in Greece at 9,600 BC, which would be, uh, proto Greeks, you know, we can’t even call in Greeks.

Uh, uh, but they, they fought a war and, and Thelan lost the Greeks beat ’em back. So it, I think from advanced, what Plato says is they were really good at agriculture. And matter of fact, like you wouldn’t believe how good they were, which I think we found evidence to support on ground. Um, and then he really liked some of the ways they organized themselves.

Um, they had a pack each, each of the, um, The princes of, of the provinces, there were 10 provinces. They had a pack not to, not to fight with each other. Um, not to go to war with each other. If, if someone attacked one of ’em, they had a pack that said they would all, you know, come to their age. Just, just basic stuff.

That for us kind of, we, we feel like it’s common sense. But at this point in our history, it was, it was revolutionary in its concept. Oh

[00:24:04] Jeremiah: yeah, definitely. Cuz you have to look at it from Plato’s perspective, not our perspective cuz it’s a completely different

[00:24:12] David: time. no, that that’s exactly right. One of the things I lay out rules and the rules is we can’t assume, you know, that Plato was an idiot.

We can’t assume the Atlan were idiots. Um, and uh, we need to know what Plato thought he was writing, not 2000 years of people speculating on what they wanted him to have written. Uh, and when you do that and you strip all that away, cuz Plato’s our only source for this thing. He’s our only primary source.

Although I, I found two. Um, supporting sources for him, but, but he, but he’s our only real source. And then to get back to Aristotle real quick, some people, some people ask me, well, how come, you know, why didn’t Aristotle pick up on this? Or why did anybody, you know, kind of pick up on this or, or run with it after Playdoh and Aristotle didn’t buy it.

Aristotle did not think the story of Atlantis was true. Um, but, and, and Aristotle is famous for a lot of things, but he was a contemporary of this guy named Cranor, um, and both Aristotle and Cranor and other people were students of Playto. And when Playto died, uh, the person who was gonna take over the academy that the school that he created, he created the first university.

Um, it was either gonna be Aristotle. It was gonna be Cranor and Cranor. Beat him out. Sorano continued play those leg legacy Aristotle kind of pouted off, went off, had, you know, had, has his own ideas, which are brilliant. And he’s a brilliant man. He did brilliant things, but he stepped away from what they called the platonic school and he created his own.

Um, I’m not gonna be able to say it Aris to Italian, you know, way of, of, of looking at things now Cranor is interesting because he, he believed what Plato had wrote and there was controversy even then. Uh, so what he says he did, and I, this is what he says he did. I haven’t, I don’t have any proof of this, but I proof is what he said he did is he went to Egypt and he verified the story is what he says.

Um, so we do have immediately after Plato people looking at this, trying to sew it up, and then the person who took over the academy kind of vouchers for this particular dialogue, which is wildly, um, interesting. I think, I don’t remember what your question was, but I told you I was just

[00:26:10] Jeremiah: rambling. So it’s is okay.

Uh, so for like, we’re talking about Egypt or you just talked about Egypt, um, Did Atlantis have any contact with them or were they before that time or?

[00:26:24] David: Well, so it’s a good question. So what we do know is that Atlantis militarily conquered Egypt. That’s what, that’s what, that’s what the Egyptians told Plato.

They conquered Libya, Egypt and parts of Europe, which also gives us geographic clues as to where it has to be. It has to be somewhere geographically located to Libya, Egypt, and parts of Europe. Um, we also know that the Egyptians recorded the history of it. So there is, um, whatever you wanna call it.

There’s an association there that they were somehow involved. Um, and in Egypt has always been, you know, a very, um, prominent empire, whatever you wanna call it, country in the Mediterranean, which apparently went back. Tens of thousands of years, you know, we’ve just learned from this. Uh, so yes they have, they have the history recorder, although we can’t find any of it today.

So many people say, you go, here you go. There, you look at this, you look at that there’s proof of Atlanta there isn’t, it doesn’t exist. There’s only two things I’ve been able to find that verify or that corroborate Plato’s account. Um, the first is a historian that actually came before Plato named OUS.

And, uh, uh, Jimmy went over this on one of his videos. He got, he didn’t really get this one. Right. Um, but he, at least he at least made that connection. And OUS wrote this book called the histories and it was the first real attempt to write down. Um, what the Greeks knew about the world, everyone in the world, and then what the Greeks were doing.

And he kind of, you know, takes us up through, uh, the Persian invasions of four 90 and 4, 4 81, that kind of stuff. Um, and the first half of that, book’s more like a travel log. So he’s just saying, you know, you go, you walk 10 miles this way, and then you see this and you walk in, or 10 stadia or 10 days is what he usually says 10 days.

You see this and da, da, da, and, and he gives you, he says, you, you know, like you go to Egypt and then you head west through Libya and you go 10 days. Then he says, what you find are these people called Atlantians and they’re, they, they say that they’re, um, you know, the remnants of a, of a old society.

They’re really weird. Um, and they’re, they go all the way to the base of the Atlas mountains, um, and the Atlantis that they live on top of salt piles. Uh, they, um, don’t dream. Um, they have names, but they refuse to write them down. Uh, they refuse to Chronicle their history, uh, which is weird. Um, especially for this time, uh, they’re vegetarians.

So, and this is in the desert, but they’re vegetarians, so they won’t eat meat. Uh, and they don’t dream. So, so they’re really goofy people, but he actually uses that word Atlantians and he tells us, and if you look at the Western Sahara and then you look to the north, the Atlas mountains, and by the way, the king of Atlantis was named Atlas.

So, so right in that area, we’ve got these Atlas mountains and then we have a different person, a different historian telling us that the people that called themselves Atlantians remnants of them was still around, you know, in 500 BC, uh, right. Where we would expect them to be, if, if, uh, you know, uh, this, this was the city, it got wiped out and now it’s many, many years later.

Um, so that’s hugely interesting. And then the other thing that corroborates, this is this thing called the peer re map, which, uh, you, you know, I know you’re into this, so you probably have you read Graham Hancock. oh yeah, definitely.

[00:29:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. And I’ve listened to, ’em a bunch. And, uh, I know about the map and there’s some other maps too.

I think Charles Hapgood had

[00:29:45] David: a map too. Yeah. Well, Hapgood started with this map. Um, and, and yeah, so in 1995 and Graham Hancock’s book fingerprints of the gods, uh, he kind of opens the book with this map. It’s a very famous map. It’s, it’s a real map. We know it’s, you know, historically, uh, real, it was created by, in the 15 hundreds, early 15 hundreds by, uh, an Ottoman navigator named Perry.

and what he does. He commissioned, he wanted, um, the cartographer or the map maker to go find all of the ancient maps they had and put ’em all together into one map, reconcile the whole thing, cuz you know, and this is we’re talking, this is like 1530 ish. Uh, so this map is produced and, and theoretically right, Columbus sealed the ocean blue in 1492.

Right? So we’re only, we’re only two generations away from the founding of the, uh, the discovery of the new world. On this Pree map, it shows and the interest has always been on the left hand side, which shows the new world, uh, north America and south America in, in seemingly more detail than, than could have been possible even within a hundred years of when the map was made.

Then on the bottom, it seems to show Antarctica without ice. It seems to show the continental Ridge. Um, the shelf, the continental shelf below Antarctica, if, if the oceans were lower and they would’ve been lower in an ice age. And, and we know even today, sometimes there’s more ice on the north pole.

Sometimes there’s more ice on, on the south pole and, and it’s fairly accurate. It’s disputed people. Don’t like, that’s what it says, but it, you can, you can not like it and have that be your argument, but it, it sure does look like that’s what it it’s showing. Um, no one’s ever bothered to look on the right hand side or when they look, they, they dismiss it.

It’s it’s cuz the right right hand side has Africa and it’s, it’s the damnedest thing. We’ve all been staring at this for 500 years. You go look at it when, when we’re done there. If, when you look at, uh, Africa on the right hand side of this map, there’s a elephant big elephant. And then inland there’s this kooky little city surrounded by a ring of water.

And it’s exactly where the R hat structure is on a modern map today. Yeah. What kind of coincidence is that? Well, kind of, it’s not, it’s IM it’s, it’s impossible. It’s impossible. You, you can’t, you can’t line up all the measurements that Plato gave us that fit this place. Uh, the 345 miles inland. No, no, no one ever brings that up because it’s inconvenient.

It can’t be the Bimini islands or it can’t be, um, uh, whatever Santorini. It can’t be any of those places because they’re not, there’s not enough land. Um, but there is enough in west Africa. And, and then on top of that, all these other things, you know, start to line up and, and on top of that, we have a, a city surrounded by a ring of water on a map that, that also shows the water level below, uh, the continental shelves and Antarctica.

I’m not making it up. And there it is, you know, again, and I tell you, you cannot like it. And you can, you can argue a different position, but that doesn’t make this invalid. It, you know, it it’s real. And on top of that, and then when you, then you add it all up and we mentioned, I mean, some of the things that, that Jimmy’s gone over, but just to, to, to rattle ’em off, you know, all the dimensions are supposed to be a 50 stadia long, uh, canal that was dug from the outer ring to the, to an inner Harbor in this thing.

Well, that’s 5.8 miles. Guess how far it is from the outer ring to the, the, you know, the inside 5.8 miles. So, so we have the radius of this thing. It said that there were mountains to the north and it opened to the south. Well, this thing has mountains to the north and it opens to the south, um, you know, and just, it just goes on and on and on and on like that.

Uh, and I, when I did in the book, I, I, I very meticulously go through all this. It matches what Plato said, 99.3, 2%. Dang. Yeah. 99.3, 2%. It doesn’t conflict with anything we know about history. We don’t have to push agriculture back. Matter of fact, agriculture around was around for 400 years before this place.

We had go Bagley Tepe, which everyone knows about, which is the exact same time period. And it shows advanced, you know, advanced hunting, hunter gathering civilization. So we know people could, could, could take this leap. Um, a, another Greek historian heist, independently mentions Atlantians in the exact same place.

We have maps built, uh, off of ancient maps that show this place with a city on it, surrounded by water in the middle of the desert. We know this AARA was green, you know, and it just goes on and it’s just, it just all fits. It’s just, it just fits. So, yeah, I mean, so I wrote a book

[00:34:19] Jeremiah: yeah. I think a lot of people have this misconception because of today, like, um, the Sahara’s like desert and.

Egypt is the old desert, but like they say, there’s researchers that say that, you know, back when they were like relevant, like in the beginning of time they, um, had, you know, lush greenery, there was a lot more water there. And especially around the pyramids, there’s even theories where water went all the way up to the pyramids and they were kind of like hydro-electric dams or some, something like that.

So mm-hmm, , it’s just, you gotta like, kind of. Take out what you’ve been taught and look at it for what it

[00:35:03] David: is . Yeah. And I’m familiar with that. I try and stay away from that kind of stuff. I try and because not, not that I don’t believe or, or, or, or not believe, but you know, like, um, the guy who’s got the competing theorist named Randall Carlson, he’s good guy.

Everyone likes him. I’ve listen, I’ve watched this stuff and listened to it. He’s done a lot of terrific, terrific research. Um, matter of fact, I think he’s built a good case that more was going on in this time period than we thought. He, he, he thinks it’s the Azo islands and he’s got a very complicated geological explanation for that, that I won’t, um, uh, go into.

Um, but I forgot my point was gonna be shoot. Uh, it escaped

[00:35:38] Jeremiah: me about the, uh, lost, it was more greenery and

[00:35:41] David: water and all that. It was. But, but, but yeah, but to have the greenery in this area for this time, period is not a leap. You can go to any historian or open any book anywhere, and it’s, it’s accepted fact.

So I think, and see, this is what I think, I think if we, oh, oh, my point was gonna be Randall will also say some goofy things. Like he believes in crystal energy and this and that. And I don’t know whether he’s right or wrong, but I try and stay away from that speculation. Cause I don’t wanna have to defend that.

It’s just like, well, the people ask me, well, what do you think caused the tsunami that, that would’ve destroyed the city. And I’m like, I, I don’t know. We can see it happen. Have the climate evidence. This younger dries thing. The visual evidence. Some people think it might be a common impact.

Um, it could be if, if the ice was really melting, the plate shift, you know, one shifts up and it creates, it creates the tsunami and all that. But, but I don’t know because no one knows and it’s probably not knowable. So I don’t want to have to Def I don’t wanna get into arguments when people say, well, it’s baloney because we know a comment didn’t impact Greenland at 9,600 BC.

Therefore this can’t Belan. So I’m like, well, whoa, I’m, you know, I don’t wanna associate, I don’t wanna mix associate, you know, these, these different things, not that. And I have my own beliefs on like where the pyramid power pyramids power plants. I actually don’t think so. I have a different theory on that.

I’m gonna put in, uh, my next book, but it’s just a theory, this stuff on Atlanta, isn’t a theory. It’s, it’s just data. Just lining up all the data w and not speculating or taking in nonsense that, that, that is built upon the source material, just going to the source material and then looking and using the tools we have, cuz we live in a very modern world and we can, all of us can, you know, with Google earth, we can all look at the whole planet.

Incredible what we have at our fingertips today.

[00:37:24] Jeremiah: Yeah. And there’s a lot of, um, quacks, I guess I’ll call. ’em like a lot of, a lot of people like I’ve read, I forget where I read it, but it was in some book or something where they were looking for Atlantis and like the Indian ocean or uh, somewhere like far off from.

You know, was written with by Pluto. And it seems like people are just on a witch hunt to like, look wherever .

[00:37:53] David: Well, I have a theory about that. They, they have what they have something I don’t have, they have something called funding so someone is paying them for a month to go on a boat and, and float around the Indian ocean and scuba dive and go to beaches.

And you know, all these places, they look the Azo island, the, the Bimini islands, um, Santa Reini, you know, Greece, these are beautiful places. And so, yeah, if I, if I could get a TV, you know, TV channel or whatever, to, to, to spend a million bucks to send me around, put scuba gear on to, to point at rocks, into water and have stories, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

It’s got nothing to do with proven whether this is Atlantis or not, but, but it makes a TV show. .

[00:38:31] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. So I’m assuming you’re not in the camp of thinking that Atlantas was actually a mothership and it blasted off .

[00:38:40] David: I am not, I’m not. Look, I look, I, I watch, I’ve seen every episodes of ancient aliens twice, at least twice.

So I am in this camp. But I’m being, I’m trying to be very disciplined and rigid, um, when it comes to Atlantas, uh, because I think it is real and I don’t think we need that other layers of speculation on top of it. Cause I think it just, it, it confuses things now people like to dream and all that. But what I think what I, I mean, if you think about it, you ING thing I’ve said, and we know there are people in the area, we found the stone tools and stuff.

Um, if, if I were a caveman or, you know, whatever was going on in at 9,600 BC, and when I got tired of dragging my wife around by her hair and eating pork chops or whatever they did, and if I stumbled upon this giant lake with this beautiful island in the middle, in this wonderful climate where I could grow stuff and I didn’t have to kill animals, I, I could eat, you know, rice and bananas or, or whatever.

And it was easily defendable and stuff. Didn’t come up and eat me in the middle of the night. I think you have to explain why wouldn’t people have lived on this thing. Right? Why, why wouldn’t they? I mean, they they’re walking by it. Why wouldn’t they. Get in a boat and grow out to it. Um, and it’s a, it’s a beautiful place to live in, in some ways it, it enjoys some of the same benefits we have here in America, especially early on, right.

Cuz our, our two biggest, one of the reasons why we can defend ourselves is because we have the two biggest defensive buffers in, in the universe, the Atlantic ocean and the Pacific ocean. Right. Because it’s hard to get to us and this would’ve been the same thing. It’s, it’s, it’s many miles inland. It’s hard to get to.

Um, the other side of it is, uh, I think a thousand or 2000 miles, and then you hit the Chad and you hit the, this mountain range and then you’re over in Libya and Egypt. But you know, no, it’s tough to walk to it. It’s up a, a defensible river, you know? I mean, it’s just, it’s a great place. So it just makes complete sense that, that this and, oh, we also know the Dean, all the, we all know we’re all taught.

And again, this, this conforms, the current historical thinking that, that we all emerged. We all came out Africa, right? That that’s, that’s the, the theory. So if we came out of Africa and we know we have this beautiful. Gardeny place. Why wouldn’t we expect to find early civilizations that are good at agriculture in it?

It doesn’t make any sense to me. Why what’s, I don’t even understand how can you argue against it? You know? Um, the only thing I will say is it’s like, I, I always describe it, say Christmas, right? So, you know, when you were a kid and you had that big pile of Christmas presents and you stared at ’em for two weeks wanting to open them.

Right. That was the greatest time. Cuz you dreamed it could have been anything in there. Right. Then when you open ’em what is it? It socks. Right. And it’s, it’s, it’s a bag to wrap your school book in, you know, and whatever else. And it’s like, great, you’re happy. You know how to, you know, you know how to, to not show it, but it’s like, okay, now that I know what it is, it’s nowhere near as fun as dreaming about what it could have been.

And I think that’s part of why people don’t have a hard time seeing this for what it is. Oh yeah.

[00:41:34] Jeremiah: And this, this tails as old as time too, like you have. All these TV shows and movies like the cartoon movie Atlantis, I think it was actually, yeah. And then Stargate, Atlantis and all these things that like, you know, fantasize it and put images in people’s head of like, you know, this fantasized version of what it really

[00:41:59] David: was.

Yeah. And you go on the internet now and you search where is Atlantis and it says a Bahamas and it shows you a picture. you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, no, it’s like, it’s been, it’s been beaten to death. That’s just the only term I know how to use. Um, and people are skeptical now when they hear anything about it, because almost everyone that has said anything about it has either been an at an ad, uh, denier, an avid denier or, uh, an avid avid maker, upper of fantasy stuff.

Right. So, yeah. So

[00:42:25] Jeremiah: here we. . Yeah. And I’m not gonna lie. I do like to delve into the fantasy stuff too, but sure. I try to stay grounded, but it would be cool if there was like an ancient, advanced civilization with like lasers and UFOs type craft and we’re able to do whatever

[00:42:45] David: well at, at, at the, uh, at the danger of exposing my ness, I, I think Tia WinCo and some of the places you went in Peru bear the marks of a much more advanced and older civilization in their foundations, um, than, uh, than what we found in, in the Western Western Africa, Western Sahara.

Uh, but you know, they, you know, they’re all related. I, I, you know, we, we have the story of Atlantis. I’m not sure that Atlantis was the center of the world. I, I, I truly do think, you know, when you look at what was going on more in the Pacific and what was going on around Peru, especially, I think there’s, there’s a lot of interesting stuff that was going on there too.

If that makes sense. .

[00:43:25] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah, definitely. And, um, I don’t know if you’ve heard of a guy named Michael challenger. No, no. So I’ve followed him for a long time and I actually reached out to him to be on the podcast and he said, contact him back in October, cuz he’s opening some small town and south, South Africa.

And um, so he’s from South Africa and he did a lot of research in his area where he was and he found Adam’s calendar. And like it’s these stone circles in South Africa where, um, nothing was supposed to be like that back in the time that these were created, like people weren’t supposed to be sophisticated enough to create these structures or whatever they are.

Um, he has theories obviously, but um, yeah, it’s called Adam’s calendar and. Maybe that was like a precursor to the whole Atlanta’s thing. If that out Africa theory is correct, as far as

[00:44:28] David: the mainstream. Well, yeah, Southern Africa has, I mean, Southern Africa has many, many, many, many GE I don’t wanna say geological, what things made outta rock, you know, uh, that look really, really, really old, uh, and seemed to be suggesting, you know, uh, I I’m trying to not use the word advanced, but seemed to be, uh, suggesting something substantial was going on, you know, around the same time period or maybe even before, uh, yeah.

In South Africa, especially the, um, the east coast, uh, around the tip and then up by, uh, Madagascar, all of that. I know. And I’ve seen some of it, um, very interesting. Yeah. Rock formations and, and things that really tie into arche, astrology and, and all of that stuff. . Yeah. And I wonder

[00:45:15] Jeremiah: if at some point, um, maybe before our recorded history, if there wasn’t some type of global civilization where they were kind of all working together and had like all these trade routes and cuz it’s just seems weird to you get like Mack heads in south America that don’t look like they’re from there and all these other stories of like people that don’t look like the people of that area, but yet they are in contact with that.

And I don’t know something to me just doesn’t add up it’s like there’s more to the history

[00:45:54] David: than we know. I, I think so. I, I, I think, and, and one reason why I think if, if, if this place being Atlan. Mainstream, whatever that means. If we acknowledged, you know, what it seems like there’s overwhelming circumstantial evidence.

Now that that stuff was gone. The, the big thing, and I’ve been to, um, Peru, I even went, I went to the, the Dian gap and there’s, uh, pet Lipson there, way in there. I mean, it’s a brutal place, but I’ve seen those. I’ve seen the, the, I’ve been to a lot of the ruins in, um, uh, in Mexico. Uh, and I’ve, I’ve looked obviously millions of pictures and videos of other places in the world.

And I agree with you and I don’t know what it was, but they were doing something. I, I don’t know what, but they were, they were doing something. And there’s a lot of commonality, especially when you start to look at the arche astrology component of this, where a, a lot of the. You know, rules or, or I don’t know how to describe it, but, you know, they, they, they would align things to stars.

It seemed like what was going on in the sky was important to civilizations all around the world that have been lost to us. Um, now I have a theory on it, but again, I, I try not to say it in my theory, cause I don’t want people to criticize or attack a theory and then, and then, and then bring that over to Atlanta.

So I’m, I’m gonna put a lot of my theories in, in a second book. Um, but I think with Atlantas, I think we don’t find some things that we wanted. So here, here, I’ll speculate on one thing. Um, and I think Egypt supports this, I think, uh, Tua NACO, um, supports this, I think, uh, uh, what we found in Western Africa supports this, I think whatever was going on at this, this end of the last ice age, I think it was in, um, a civilization that knew they were on the, this planet and could get around it.

I’m I’m trying not to say the word advanced. Um, but I don’t think writing was that important to ’em. I, cause we don’t find a lot of writing until after this cataclysm, when you go to Egypt, then you look, you find all these, these huge megalithic base stones that a lot of their temples and structures are built on.

And, and the bigger this stone, the less chance there’s gonna be hieroglyphics or Petri glyphic are anything on it. It’s it’s the later stuff. Um, that, that seems to have all the writing. Now, my theory, so I’m gonna specul I’m get myself in trouble. My, my theory is that Atlantis was real. It got wiped out and there a lot of people survived and they were like, uhoh.

Um, you know, and maybe somehow they knew this is, was gonna happen again. So they’re like, you know what, we’re gonna have to start writing stuff down. and, and I think after Atlan is when a lot of the megalithic buildings started. Cause I think they said stuff like, you know, if, if the earth, if we’re have these kind of earthquakes, we need to build something that is so big, uh, that it survives these transitional periods that this planet goes through.

And I think that’s why you get things like the pyramids, which are ridiculously big. They’re too big. They, they only make sense if there’s something we don’t understand about ’em um, I don’t think I personally, yeah, they’re not tombs. No, they’re not tombs. They’re absolutely not tombs. I, I, I also, I personally don’t think they were power plants or water processing plants.

Um, and one of the questions I I’ve run to people that ask and I say, oh, You know, have we found pipes? I mean, are there billions of pipes coming outta these things? You know, so I don’t, I don’t what I think they were just to go and get myself in trouble. I think the idea was whatever happens on this planet is so frigging awful that almost everything gets destroyed.

So the thinking was build something that a later people will find and be interested in. And B all those chambers that look like sarcophagus chambers, but we’ve never found bodies in. I think that’s where they tried to put their records because, you know, if, if it’s, cuz if it’s heat or if it’s water or if it’s whatever, you know, you wanna try and preserve that knowledge through the transition and just, and cuz when you look at those tombs, the, uh, the stone, it’s like a foot thick and some of ’em are like three or four feet thick.

Why would you do that? Well, because that stands a good chance of surviving and, and they’re airtight. So if it went under water for a while and I, I think with the pyramids, when you look at that system, I think it’s a drainage system for when the water came up. And then the water went down cuz that’s really what it’s doing is getting the water out of the thing so that, you know, it would, it would, um, be something that people they didn’t get to.

They, they could Rege the records cuz now we have writing and then they could try and keep that, you know, keep the, the, the knowledge between getting wiped out. But I have no proof for any of that. That’s just what I think from all the reading and stuff I’ve done and it’s got nothing to do with Atlantis.

So if you don’t like that theory, it’s got nothing to do with my theory on Atlantis. My theory on Atlanta. No, no we’re going, yeah.

[00:50:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. This is just, we’re going down some rabbit holes, but it’s all good. It’s all good. Yeah. Um, yeah, I like talking about that stuff and they do say that there, they think there’s a hall of records under the Spinks or something.

So it’s definitely possible that they tried to put all the knowledge that they had and then they had the. Library of Alexandria that burnt

[00:50:44] David: down, or I was just gonna say destroyed here. Here’s what happened. It’s it’s the most tragic frigging thing. So the records did survive and Egypt is clearly a really old civilization.

And I think Graham Hancock and those guys got a lot of this. Right. Which is for some reason, the older, the, the construction, the more advanced it seems, um, I think the records survived to a degree and then they decided to put ’em all in the library of Alexandria and then they got, then they burned down so it was awful.

Yeah. Right. Um, and when you, when you study ancient Greek and I’ve taken, I I’ve taken the academic courses on it and I’ve, I’ve done a lot of readings. This idea of cataclysms was, was no Plato even mentions it. He mentions it in the laws, which was his last big work. And he says, look, everybody, you know, we know that periodically, this whole thing gets wiped out.

Anyone disagree with that and was like, nah, we know, you know, so it was part of the cultural knowledge that has been lost to us. Oh, just over the past couple thousand years.

[00:51:39] Jeremiah: Yeah. That’s one thing that I noticed, uh, right away when I was in Peru, looking at the ancient structures and all is like, people definitely had a super fixation on the stars and the planets and the heavens, and they knew something was going on.

It’s almost like they knew that they could figure out what was going on on earth based on what was going on in the sky. And you see it in the, hear it in the Bible too. They talk about signs in the sky and all that stuff.

[00:52:11] David: So here is if you were trying so like, and this is the experiment that I do with people.

So let’s say that you and I, we know tomorrow it’s over. Right. And, and some people will survive, but you know, no computers is all wiped out. We, we wanna try and tell ’em so they can be ready the next time. How do we tell ’em we can’t, we can’t use writing cuz they won’t be able to read it. Um, so what do we do?

And, and the one thing we would have would be the. it’s, it’s the one thing we have. Um, and if you look there, there’s, when you go back and I found, I found this map, someone did, I I’ve gotta re-verify it. Cause I haven’t verified it, but you line up all of these, um, ancient disasters and they start to line up to the transitions between the Zodiacs.

So there, there is, there is a rhythm to, ’em also this thing called astrology, which, which is now kind of, kind of viewed as nonsense, right? It used to be astrology and astronomy with the same thing. The, the only astronomy, the, there is only one sentence that started the whole thing. And it’s what you just said.

It, it is so close to what you just said is that the stars impact the fate of man, meaning mankind. Right? So if we, if we, if we could get that message across and have a bunch of stuff in the ground, that’s trying to tell you when it was made, so you could try and you know, a clock, right. You know, how, what else would you use?

It there’s nothing else. That’s the only thing you could do. Um, and they’ve done it. Y yeah. Yeah. Cuz then you

[00:53:42] Jeremiah: have go Beckley Tek, like you talked about. Um, and everyone that I’ve heard says that it was intentionally buried. It, someone intentionally buried it. So it’s like they knew something.

[00:53:55] David: Yeah. I think that’s been disputed a little bit.

That was the initial thought, um, that it was intentionally buried. The truth is they don’t know, they’ve only excavated like 8% of it or something or, I mean, I mean around 10%, um, plus, or minus a couple percent, uh, so it could have been buried. It also could, you know, one of the things we see, you see this in, um, Tico, you see it in, um, the, the rich hat structure, you see it all over is when these delusions happen, whatever they are, they tend to mix water and land tends to mix, which makes mud.

So everything tends to get covered in mud and gets buried a little bit. Um, so that could have happened there. I, I know that they intentionally buried at theory. I, I, I don’t, I’ve, I’ve heard the argument and I’ve seen the evidence for me. It doesn’t, I don’t have anything to dispute it, but it also doesn’t make, doesn’t make sense.

One, one of my theories is, you know, we can’t subscribe idiocy to ancient people just because they’re ancient people, so they can’t be stupid. So how would people who kind of have some agriculture, but it’s still a dangerous world. Why would they spend six years toting dirt up a hill to bury this amazing place?

Maybe they did. I, but I mean, you know, I just don’t know.

[00:55:07] Jeremiah: Yeah. I don’t know either, but there’s also another thing I’ve been hearing about recently and I don’t know a lot about it, but I just wanted to bring it up is the whole thing of like mud floods and this, I forget the name of it starts with a T like tar tartar or something.

Um, I dunno, but supposedly it’s a. Whole lost civilization of time that happened between like, I don’t know, ancient Egypt, Greece, and, and like, you know, current time, like the dark ages or whatever. I, I don’t know that much about it, but I just heard, I just didn’t know if you heard about it or not. No.

[00:55:51] David: Although I’ve just recently started watching the Y files. I do watch the Y files on YouTube. Have you ever heard of that? W H Y I don’t know who this guy is. He’s, he’s doing very well. It’s very, very popular. He’s been doing it for years. Um, he had a video out that said, uh, the dark ages were faked. Like really it’s only the 17th century cuz they, when they fiddle with the calendar, um, I mean I’ve heard, you know, I’ve heard everything, uh, and some of it kind of makes sense.

Um, but you know, we talked earlier, Brian Forster or Forster, I, he spells his name a little funny. Um, but you know, he, he has said a lot, but what I like about him is he just walks around with his video camera. Yeah. And he just records everything, um, in Peru, in Mexico and all that. And it’s just like, when you just watch and I watch at least a half an hour, his stuff every day, just to, not even with the sound up, just to see everything.

Cause I can’t get all over the world and see everything. I don’t have the money. Um, and it’s just, it’s just amazing. It’s just amazing. What’s out there. Yeah. But I, but I don’t know. The only thing I do know is the rich a structure is Atlanta’s , that’s all I know.

[00:56:53] Jeremiah: the rest of it. I don’t know. So if, uh, people want to get ahold of you and your book or whatever, how can they go

[00:57:01] David: about doing that?

Yeah. Go to the publisher website. The publisher is frequency 99. So it’s frequency nine, And they’ve got, uh, I, I have a, a producer I guess. And I, I have, I have people and, and they, they, you know, and there’s emails up there and stuff and, uh, you can get links to the book links to me, uh, and, uh, that, yeah.

Frequency 90

[00:57:24] Jeremiah: And I’ll put it all in the, uh, show description as well, so they can get there fast and appreciate that. So, in closing, uh, any last things you wanted to say about Atlantis and your book?

[00:57:36] David: Um, you know, the only thing I would say is, uh, go into it with an open mind. Um, I, I do think the book is pretty good.

Um, it’s gotten decent reviews. Matter of fact, it was ahead of one of Graham Hancock’s new books for like a month when it first came out. So I did nothing but drink champagne and, and throw myself parties. It no longer is he has what they call staying power where I don’t. But, um, it’s, it’s a very approachable book and it just simply all the book does, it says, here’s what Plato said.

Let’s pull it apart. Apply. Come up with some rules. Like we, we gotta believe what he said, and we gotta put this in historical context. We gotta find corroborating sources and then we gotta be able to verify everything. Um, and it just makes it creates requirements. It just goes through and walks through each one.

By the end of the book, you’re like, Yeah. The reviews I get on the book, um, they’re not all good. I’ve got, I’ve got two. The worst reviews I got are three star reviews, which are still really good reviews. And the both of them are just the, they’ve almost say the same thing, which is the guy who wrote, this is a pompous ass who probably can’t sign a check much less finished or sentence, but by God, by the time I got done with the book, I think, I believe he found it and he makes a good case.

So I mean, that, that’s like the best compliment I could have, which is I don’t like, I don’t like the guy. I don’t like what he wrote, but, but it’s compelling, you know, by the time I get to the end of it, uh, you know, when they say I was a skeptic when I started, but I’m done like, yeah. I mean, there it is.

And the other thing I do do in the book is I lay it all out. So you don’t have to listen to. To come to reach the same conclusion. Everything I say is, is, is either provide you in the book or you can go find it as an historical source or, or you can look at the pictures and the maps and Google earth, and you can do the measurements yourself and you can reach your own conclusion.

Um, and, uh, I I’ve, I have people that don’t agree, but they it’s not because they disagree with what I did in the book. They, they don’t read the book, they don’t like this answer. So they, they skip the proof and just don’t like it, you know? Um, and, uh, which is fine, that, that that’s that’s, I mean, this is a goofy topic, right?

So everyone, everyone has, they, they believe what they believe. Yeah, I know like

[00:59:41] Jeremiah: Randall Carlson, like you said, he thinks it’s, uh, somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. Yeah. Or like right off the coast of Africa. I forget

[00:59:50] David: exactly where, but he thinks it’s the a was I actually, I added after the book came out, I added an appendix.

Um, because I didn’t quite realize I, I, I was step with this book. I was stepping into a conversation that had been going on for quite some time. And there’s basically five criticisms that he lays out, which, and I put ’em all in the book and then I, I, I tackle each one. So by the end, I actually think his criticisms are actually strengths that, that support this place.

Number one. And then number two, I, I tell everyone. It, it doesn’t mean the, a wars weren’t part of the kingdom and that everything he said and found could still be true, but there’s no round city there with concentric islands of 345 miles inland. And that are it’s bigger than Libya and Africa. You know, it doesn’t mean all the requirements, um, of being the, the capital, but it, but he’s made a good case that some was going on there, this, that it supports this.

So they, they don’t really conflict, even though he, for some reason, decided to take an adversarial approach to this particular answer. Dunno why, whatever, just, you know, come see himself. Yeah. And there’s also

[01:00:50] Jeremiah: a lot of like sunken cities all around the world too. Cuz when the ice age was in full force, obviously the sea levels were lower and you find cities off of like India and Japan and probably south America and even America.

Yeah. Um, We haven’t taken the time or the resources to explore at all. Um, or they purposely hide it from

[01:01:16] David: us. Yeah. I, I, I think that, I think some of it is purposeful, although some of it is just arrogance on the part of, you know, I got into a big argument just, just recently with, um, a couple academic historians, nice people.

Um, and I basically said, look, you know, the professionalization of, of, of being a, um, uh, you know, someone who studies history as a profession, uh, is great in all, but, but what happens is over time, people vest in their views and then they fight change because the change might undo the thing that made them.

Right. Uh, so, you know, so, so we have these people that consider themselves the stewards of history, historians. Who are vested in it being the history they learned and have been talking about versus processing new things. That’s why I go vaguely Tepe. It’s it’s like the Rosetta stone for all of this. No one can deny it exists.

Everyone says it’s there. And then you ask ’em well, how, how does that fit? And they go, we don’t know, it’s, it’s anomaly. It’s like, well, it’s not an anomaly. You know, a thousand acre, massive prehistoric neolithic site. Not anomaly, you know, we gotta have, we need to have an answer for it. And they’ve actually found lots of other tepees apparently, um, that are out there, some dating, even older.

So, you know, I think, and you and I were talking just to wrap it up with, with total CISM, uh, you know, from, from my standpoint, I mean, personally, what I think is that this cycle has been going on way longer than we, we would be horrified, be like we were in a horror movie. If we understood every, you know, three to.

Uh, to 12,000 years, this planet something terrible happens. And then it takes thousands of years for people to come back. Um, but I think that’s been going on for, for very, very, very long time. Um, oh, the other thing just to close everyone says, well that, and it can’t be because we know we find that people we’re living in caves, it’s like, yeah.

After one of these big thing after daily, if it happens to us and we survive, we’re gonna head for a cave too. That’s just where you start back. Right. It’s just, it’s, it’s it’s base. Um, but yeah, so, so yeah, I think, I think it’s going on for a very long time. Uh, and I think this planet is probably a nightmare in the long run, but I think it’s okay for us now.

I think, I think, you know, or, I mean, you look at all these cycles, there’s nothing coming up. I think in our lifetime, some people argue 2050 and stuff, but I mean, I, I don’t see it necessarily. Um, but who knows, you know, you can’t predict the future.

[01:03:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. There’s definitely something there. I totally believe that there’s been law civilizations.

I mean, you can have. Works from like Graham Hancock and, um, trying to think of some other ones, uh, Michael challenger and, uh, Michael Kreo, who does forbidden archeology and all that. There’s definitely something Robert, Robert

[01:04:03] David: Bal, um, whoever the guy, I forget the guy’s name. Who found, who, who said the Springs was probably water.

He’s very famous. I can’t I’m I’m I’m bad. Oh yeah. Robert Shaw, Robert Robert Shaw, the whole list. Pretty much. They all wind up on ancient aliens. They, they cycle through ancient aliens at some point. So just look at that roster, but yeah, no it’s and ancient aliens is just fun, but no, there’s lots of people who’ve done really good work here.

Um, and I think the evidence is overwhelming at this point that, that, that our history is much older than we. oh, yeah, for

[01:04:34] Jeremiah: sure. Yeah. Well, thank you for coming on and speaking with us about Atlantas and your book. And even when we got a little off track, it’s still a lot of valuable information.

[01:04:45] David: look, it’s fun.

I tell it’s people are as passionate about stuff like this as they are about politics, but we used to be able to argue politics and have fun. Now you can’t, you can’t even talk about it, but we can argue this stuff all day and it’s still fun and it’s passionate, it’s interest. It’s intellectually interesting.

Um, and just like your Christmas president, there’s a chance when you unwrap it, it’s gonna blow your mind and just, and just change, you know, your entire worldview. Um, which I think, uh, I think would be good. Yeah. And I

[01:05:10] Jeremiah: feel like it would be a disservice to mankind to not look into these things and not, uh, question things.

I think if you just stick to one viewpoint, one philosophy, then you’re just, uh, preventing. Possibilities cause if something happened in the past and we need to know about it, uh, if we just shut it off, then we’re gonna be screwed.

[01:05:38] David: yeah. Look, there’s been 23 species of humans that they know about there, there was 22 up until may of this year.

They just found the 23rd, the idea that we’re the first ones, 2000, 3000 years ago to figure out, you know, the, the, what a wheel is and, uh, and that kind of stuff. Just doesn’t, it doesn’t make sense. How, I mean, you’re talking hundreds of thousands or millions of years of people just doing what, sitting on a tree stump and what were they doing?

You know, I mean, it seems built into us to, to organize in advance. That just seems to be part of who we are and, and to suggest that all the others that came before weren’t that, and suddenly we are, it just make, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Um, and there’s so much evidence that, uh, is out there that it just, I think it’s overwhelming.

I think, I think is obvious. Oh, yeah, for sure.

[01:06:27] Jeremiah: All right. Well thank you for coming on. I enjoyed

[01:06:30] David: it. All right. Jamara yeah, no, look, pleasure talking to you. We’ll have to do it again.