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High Heels and Hauntings
[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow Terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina Mountains. Welcome to the What If They’re Wrong Podcast. The podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.
Hello, my fellow Earthlings. Welcome back. Thanks for tuning in. We are going to have a second episode this week, cuz we gotta keep the Halloween spirit flowing. So we’re gonna get to an interview here shortly with high heels and hauntings. It’s a group of, uh, mostly female paranormal investigators and they’re going to, uh, talk to us about what they do and what they’ve experienced.
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Hello and welcome to the What If the Wrong Podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. I’m joined today by high heels and hauntings. And they’re going to talk to us all about their ghost investigations. So I’ll introduce them now. Hello guys, Girls.
[00:01:42] Dawn: Hello. Hello.
[00:01:45] Jeremiah: Hello. Thanks for coming on and speaking with us and sharing your, uh, investigations and your experiences.
Yeah, thanks for having us. So, uh, how did this all come about? I have to ask, uh, did you guys, how did, did you guys meet doing investigations or did you already know each other? Or how did this whole high heels and Hauntings thing come about?
[00:02:07] Michelle: Well, um, I. We were all on, um, another paranormal team. Well, well, let me take, let me back up.
So, um, I was on another paranormal team and, uh, I was at a location, uh, doing, uh, ghost hunts. And I met Dawn and Don both at this location on separate nights, but I just knew as soon as I met them, it was like a, I clicked with them. I knew that there was something about them I really liked. So I, um, asked about getting them on the team that I was on.
And then sometime later down the road, um, I had thought about putting together my own paranormal team. And I really liked, you know, this name. I wanted something that, um, Kind of describes me. I’m a little bit, I’m very girly girl, but I’m also, you know, haunted. I’m really into haunted, scary, spooky stuff and paranormal and, um, it kind of described to me, So, um, I, we were on an investigation
[00:03:22] Dawn: and,
[00:03:24] Michelle: uh, I just brought the idea up to everyone and, you know, to Don and Don and they were on board with it.
They, they said, Yeah, let’s do it. And, um, so I, I created High heels in hauntings and, um, I’m here we are almost two years later.
[00:03:42] Don: Yeah. So j Jeremiah, let me jump in. She, Michelle, she, she’s giving you the, the generic version. . We were at Wildwood Cemetery in New York, or, uh, Sanatorium in New York, and we were all sitting around eating and.
She’s such a sweetheart. She says, I wanna make, uh, our own team and high heels and Hauntings was born at Wildwood Sanitarium in New York, and I’m the only male member of an all-female team .
[00:04:17] Jeremiah: So, uh, you get, you get some perks of that, I’m sure. .
[00:04:23] Don: I, I’m always surrounded by my, I call ’em my girls. They’re my beautiful angels.
[00:04:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. So, um, let’s go to your first investigation as your official team. Uh, where was it and what did you experience That
[00:04:39] Michelle: was at the USS Edson, um, in Saginaw, Michigan. That was probably our first investigation as a team officially as High Heel and Hons. And it was a really great investigation. Um, we had a lot of activity.
We realized that we, and we already all knew that we had kind of the same investigation. Styles, you know, because we worked together before, but when we were on our own together, we just, it just worked out really. Wow. We really investigate really well together. Um, Dawn and I, you know, we we’re like the wild children of the para aral group.
Um, you know, we’ll do pretty much anything. You put us anywhere. We’re, we’re, we’re good to go. We try to sleep in the scariest areas and so, yeah. But yeah, that was
[00:05:26] Dawn: our first ones that like to use the we g Board. And what was that? I said we’re the ones that like to use the we g boards and like the other team, they do other styles of investigating, but Michelle and I are the only one that do that.
But what she was saying is our first investigation, the USS Edson, it was a Navy battleship, so it was a really good first investigation as a team. .
[00:05:58] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’m sure there’s a lot of history there. Um, Oh yeah. Yeah. A lot of those, Yeah, a lot of the battlefields and stuff I used to live near Gettysburg and, um, Oh yeah.
There’s a lot of stuff about, about that too. Yeah. That’s
[00:06:14] Michelle: on our bucket list. We definitely wanna get out to Gettysburg.
[00:06:19] Jeremiah: Yeah, you can just feel it as soon as you step on the grounds there. Like you can just feel that there was like a lot of carnage and battle there. Oh my. Yeah. So do you guys have any like, um, abilities?
I know I’ve had like, mediums on and like clairvoyance and stuff like
[00:06:38] Don: that. Well, I will tell you, I’m a sensitive, uh, I feel things, um, and it, I I, I gotta back up the horse just a little bit. Uh, Michelle kind of glazed over it, but when I, and I, I always say this on any podcast we’re on, when Michelle and I met each.
I, we were at, and I’m gonna say it, we were at Eloise, uh, here in Michigan, and I was on a tour with my daughter and my son-in-law, and we went down in the basement and Michelle was, had her back, uh, back to me. I walked by and I just, I had this feeling when I walked by her while I went down the hallway and I turned back around and was getting ready to leave.
And Michelle turned around and looked at me and I looked at her and we never said a word to each other. And, I feel like we have known each other a thousand years. That’s no exaggeration. I feel like we’ve, we just clicked. And when I met Dawn and other members of our team was the same way. We just, uh, we have this, this, this uncanny ability to be together and be like a family, but, and we may not have seen each other for, you know, two or three weeks.
And it’s, boom, we’re right back into that. That family oriented thing.
[00:07:59] Michelle: Yeah. Yep.
[00:07:59] Jeremiah: Definitely. Yeah. I always say that there’s like something to that where you can like connect with someone instantly and then there’s other people where you like instantly are put off by them and there’s no reason for you to be, You’re just like, I don’t know.
Their auras doesn’t match yours.
[00:08:16] Michelle: Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Right. You read other people pretty well. I think that’s something too, when you’re a Parentable investigator, I think you have that ability. I think most of us do. We can kind of read off of people really well. Yes, I agree with that. I wanna tell you a, a real quick little story though.
You know, we talk about how we all get along so well and we’re like family, and it is, It is true. You know, we’ve. We, we all get along so well and I mean, we do things together even outside of paranormal investigating. We, we do Christmases together. You know, we all hang out and we were on one particular investigation, um, in Indiana and the, the location we were at is known for having a lot of dark activity there.
There seems to be something very dark and sinister there. Um, everyone seems to experience it when they go there. We were there and we were all in one room together and we were doing EVP sessions and uh, spirit box and things like that, and all of a sudden we all just started. arguing with each other, snapping at each other.
It was, I mean, I think one of our members even broke out almost into tears. It was, we had never done that before. And we left that room when we were done investigating in there, and we went into a separate part of the house and instantly our moods, everything just changed. This, this thing or this spirit was trying to tear us all apart.
It knew that we were really close and that we got along and it was trying to make us turn on each other. And it, it’s crazy how it actually worked.
[00:10:02] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve heard that, um, from people before and, um, it’s kind of like, I forget who I was interviewing. I think Jess King. And, uh, she’s like, as soon as I walked in, I felt like I got slapped in the face.
Mm-hmm. .
[00:10:17] Dawn: Oh yeah. That’s
[00:10:19] Jeremiah: the only time I, It’s like that residual energy. Yeah. Yeah.
So the, um, Halloween’s right around the corner, I’m assuming it’s your guys’ favorite time of year . So what, um, I have to ask you, cuz I asked on my round table for that episode, what is your favorite thing about Halloween? And then also what’s your favorite horror movie? Ooh.
[00:10:46] Don: Hmm. Well, uh, I guess I’ll start.
My favorite horror movie has got to be, and I know this is a cult, uh, cult movie, but it’s Rocky Horror Picture show that gets me into mood for Halloween . And then, uh, you know, I think my favorite part of Halloween is, is just the ability to see how other people celebrate Halloween. Um, I, I love the spookiness about it.
I love the, you know, the all Halloweens. I, I just, uh, Halloween’s Halloween and Christmas. Know that’s kind of a contrast, but those are my two favorite holidays. Um,
[00:11:26] Michelle: I’m gonna have to say probably my favorite. I’m torn because I really love the original, uh, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the win from the seventies.
I . Just absolutely love that one. It’s so cheesy now, but I, I love that. And, um, I, I love, um, and I can’t believe I’m drawing a blank on the name of it, but the one with Jack Skeleton. Oh, Nightmare Before Christmas. Nightmare Before Christmas. Yes. I, I absolutely love that one. Halloween to me, you know, Halloween for me has always been special to me with, with, I mean, this doesn’t have to do with paranormal, but with my kids.
Um, they’re grown now, my sons, but, um, My one son and I, we always have a tradition every year that we, um, sit outside and we, um, give out candy together. He even did it with me last year and he’s normally, you know, they’re too busy playing video games to hang out with mom, but he actually made time to do it last year with me.
Um, and I just love, you know, especially get with the paranormal, just, I love how everyone’s so excited, um, watching all the things pop up on Facebook by other paranormal teams and parties. I love getting dressed up in costumes and I love watching other people’s costumes and it’s just an exciting time of year.
Dawn, what’s yours?
[00:12:52] Dawn: Mine is Friday the 13th. I’m Al Yep. The first three of ’em. I like all of those. I could watch ’em over and over and then I’m, uh, I’m a real big on the, um, the saw. Theories. Oh, I like all of them. That’s
[00:13:12] Michelle: glory.
[00:13:13] Jeremiah: Yeah, I like those too.
[00:13:15] Dawn: Yeah. So I like the Mercury stabbing. That one’s definitely that kinda moving.
And my favorite thing about Halloween is, uh, the veil is thin. It’s more spookier like all the ghosts can really come out right now. And I guess that gets me excited. Yeah.
[00:13:37] Don: You, Yeah. Jeremiah, you know what’s really funny is neither one of my beautiful girls mentioned mentioned the Conjuring, and that is funny.
Our favorite movie, .
[00:13:51] Michelle: Yes. I didn’t like the last one though. Just, I couldn’t even finish watching it. Was like, No, I just, I didn’t like it.
[00:13:59] Jeremiah: Now see, I like slasher films, so like, um, Any of those ones where like stupid college kids get attacked by some
[00:14:08] Michelle: like Chainsaw Africa, like sleep away
[00:14:11] Dawn: camp 1980s .
[00:14:14] Jeremiah: Yeah.
Or like, um, the wrong turn.
[00:14:17] Michelle: Oh, I love those two. Has seen
[00:14:19] Jeremiah: the blob. Yeah. Anything like that. Hills have eyes descent.
[00:14:24] Dawn: That movie made me afraid to this day to close the bathroom door all the way . It’s something about them crazy hillbillies. They got me scared.
[00:14:37] Jeremiah: Yeah. I just love the slasher things. And then for Halloween, my favorite part is, uh, I like all the different costumes, like the originality that people have and like you’ll see costumes that are just like off the wall. Like people really put time and energy and effort into it. Yeah. We
[00:14:55] Dawn: did a trunker treat this year.
We did it last year too, and, Oh my gosh. The costumes that people come out with are just amazing.
[00:15:04] Jeremiah: Like I and I like even, I like even the funny ones, like I saw one who was like a guy in a sheet and he had like text bubbles and the text bubbles where it was like, uh, he was getting ghosted by someone through text.
[00:15:19] Dawn: I love that . We’ve seen a Jeffrey Dahmer this year. .
[00:15:24] Michelle: That was great.
[00:15:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. That seems to be a huge hit right now that Jeffrey Dahmer it the only
[00:15:31] Dawn: one I seen though. But we’ve seen, um, What’s the one on Stilt to Guys? Oh, that, I dunno. We had like,
[00:15:41] Michelle: that was Jack Skeleton.
[00:15:42] Dawn: Yeah. But yeah, they had two of ’em like that on Still, One was Door.
[00:15:49] Don: Wasn’t that Jack From Night? Uh, Nightmare. Yeah. Nightmare before
[00:15:54] Dawn: Christmas. Yeah. They had another, I posted it to our Instagram, but. I like the, um, oh wait, was it beetle juice?
[00:16:03] Jeremiah: Mm-hmm. beetle juice. Yeah. They’re coming out with a new one. Oh yeah.
[00:16:09] Dawn: A new what? New
[00:16:10] Don: Bele juice. Beatle juice. Oh my gosh. You gotta be kidding.
[00:16:16] Michelle: It’s going be a Johnny
[00:16:18] Don: D Oh my goodness. .
[00:16:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. I think it’s, um, I think Tim Burs doing it right. Oh, it’ll be great. It’s gonna be great. Yeah. It’s beetle juice too. I saw a flyer for it. I was like, Oh, this’ll be interest. Yeah, for sure. And then I saw Johnny Depp on there. I was like, Oh, it’s gonna be good.
It’s exactly million.
So we’ll go to your first, uh, or not your first, your favorite, uh, ghost investigation and what you experience there.
[00:16:53] Don: Ooh,
[00:16:55] Michelle: I’m curious to see what you guys say. Go
[00:16:58] Don: ahead, Don. My favorite. Michelle, you go ahead
[00:17:03] Jeremiah: and you can have different ones. Just whatever your favorite is. Oh
[00:17:06] Michelle: my goodness, there’s so many. Um, I wanna say probably my favorite now is probably Wildwood Sanitarium.
Um, not just because that’s where we did, you know, formed High Hills and Huntings, but we had experiences there. And one of the things that we had is we went to the cemetery there in, it’s in sa, Monica, New York. And I, um, everybody had gone out into the cemetery to investigate and I wanted to just take pictures of these beautiful doors that were on the mausoleums.
Cause I just, I love doors on mausoleums. I think they’re beautiful. So I was taking pictures of my tablet and I didn’t realize I had live. Photo on and I was taking pictures and then went back and was looking at the pictures. And in one of them there’s something gliding from one side to the other.
Inside of the Mali. On the right hand side you have the caskets that the wife and husband are buried in. And then you see something glide to the other side, which was an altar. Now it took us a year to get back there cuz we wanted to debunk it. You know, we, we assumed it probably was somebody walking behind, even though it was on a hill.
Um, it could have been a reflection, you know, there had to be a reason. Right? So we go back and because it sits on a hill, you can only see like, maybe the top of the head, but that doesn’t even come through in the reflection of the window. And there’s no refl. We tried everything to debunk this and couldn’t, and.
As I sit here, I, I’m stumped by it that we actually had something that moved from one side to the other inside of this, um, Mali and then just we, we always have really good activity, um, at that location as well. So that one’s my favorite right
[00:19:08] Jeremiah: now, I think. Yeah, the sanitariums are interesting. Um, and I was just talking with someone about that, like it’s a shame that uh, they shut all those down and there’s a lot of people in jails, cuz my wife works at jail’s not office.
There’s a lot of people in there that need to be in like a mental health facility, but there’s no mental health facilities.
[00:19:31] Michelle: Uh, I working on that one. Yes. And they, and they don’t get the proper treatment that they need because they just don’t do that for them. And you’re right that they need to be in a place that like they used to have where they could get that treatment.
but the old
[00:19:47] Dawn: sanitariums, I mean, we’ve done a lot of investigating at Sanitariums and the old ways that they did do things. I mean, woo, the pure torture of these places that we investigate. Yeah. Is the stories of what went on is actually more scarier than the ghosts there , I think. Yeah. There was
[00:20:12] Michelle: baths that they would do with people, the electric shock and Yeah.
[00:20:18] Dawn: So Dawn, what was your hydro? The
[00:20:21] Jeremiah: lobotomies and . Yeah. Shove a steak right through your eye to like cure your mental illness.
[00:20:29] Dawn: Yeah, it’s crazy. I mean, we’ve been to a few sanitariums and we’ve gotten a lot of activity out of those, but my favorite I think is the, The Navy battleship that was in the, the war.
I mean, that was such a great place to go to and just explore the ship. And we got great EVPs there. We used our SLS camera there and it was like somebody attacking me, on the boat. But, um, yeah, it was great. That was my, I think it
[00:21:10] Michelle: probably too was because you were, you know, we were women on a ship that mostly had men, and
[00:21:17] Dawn: again, no women were on a ship.
[00:21:19] Michelle: You probably were angry about it. But yeah, it definitely came through on the SLS camera.
[00:21:24] Don: I, I think my, my favorite investigation that we’ve done thus far would’ve been the last one that we did at Wildwood Sanitarium. Prior to that, it would’ve been the Monroe House, but this last investigation, Uh, you’ll, you’ll love this one.
Uh, I, I had brought, I had called my medium, uh, that I worked, I’ve worked with for probably 30 years, and I asked her to do a walk around with me on FaceTime, and we were walking around the house and we, I was giving her a tour and we got to the basement stairs and she told me to stop, Don’t go down there.
And I said, Why? What’s the matter? And she said, Uh, have you protected yourself during this investigation? I said, Uh, yeah, Becky, I protect myself before I come in and after I leave. And she says, Well, there’s something evil in that basement. Uh, be very careful down there. And so I said, Well, we’re going down there.
Anyways, I, I’m, I’m like, Michelle and Don. I’m not afraid of anything. I go towards it. I don’t run from it. Um, so we went downstairs and we, she kind of, we walked around and she’s telling me, you know, kind of what she’s getting, the feeling. Well, they have a, the one stair in the basement that goes back upstairs is, is rather large.
I mean, uh, width wise. And so I was like in the middle of the step and I’m walking upstairs and I said goodbye to Becky. And uh, I’m standing at the kitchen table getting ready to put our cameras cuz I’m the audio visual guy. Um, and I’m putting our cameras getting ready to put our cameras together. Our other teammate, Doris, she looked at my arm and she says, Oh my God, Don, what is wrong with your arm?
And I looked down and I said, Holy crap. Uh, I was bleeding. I, I mean, I was bleeding, bleeding. I’ve got a scar to this day still on my arm. This thing would not stop bleeding. I don’t take blood thinners. I’m not on aspirins, none of that. And Doris, it, it took Doris, she’s a, a nurse and it took her almost two hours, I would say, roughly, to get the blood to really stop from bleeding.
And this something scratched me. Well, the point of it is that something scratched me coming back up the stairs. I was in the middle of the stairs. It was nothing could scratch me. And this thing bled for almost a week and a half after I left there. And I, I got a scar on my arm from it. So I think that would’ve, that was our best, my best investigation.
Not because I got beat up , but because it was something tangible that was done to me. Uh, you know, like Dawn was stated about over at the Etson, uh, I just gotta elaborate on that. I was behind her with the, I was filming with my ir and she turned around and she said, What did you hit me for? Said, Dawn, I’m three feet from you.
I couldn’t hit you unless I have like Gumby arms. Yeah. So we lifted up her shirt and she had three scratches down her back or on her side of her back. And we took a picture of it. Something scratched her and she thought it was me. So yeah, we’ve had some pretty cool experiences.
[00:24:47] Jeremiah: Yeah, that sounds like it.
The, uh, the physical evidence is awesome and, uh, you know, just experiencing that. And that was at the sanitarium, so it was probably a lot of trauma still left in there, like the residual. Oh, for sure. Like the people that were experimented on basically. Yeah.
[00:25:08] Dawn: Right. Um, next weekend we’re gonna be heading to Indiana.
We’re gonna be going to Randolph County Asylum. It was an asylum slash. Help me out with the word guys.
[00:25:24] Michelle: Uh, what was kind of a jail, wasn’t it? Like February? Yeah, Yeah. Reformatory
[00:25:30] Dawn: Jail. Yeah. Yeah. And then we are going to the Stone Mansion also down there. So we got a full weekend. Oh yeah. Had to be.
[00:25:43] Jeremiah: Yeah.
That’s better deal. Yeah, that sounds raining, Exciting. And . Yeah. I’ll be looking at your Instagram for pictures and stuff. .
[00:25:51] Michelle: We’ll definitely be posting them .
[00:25:53] Dawn: So this time in between our investigations, I had found a historical society right in between the two. Cause they’re only five minutes apart from each other.
Michelle did great on booking these. Um, so we’re gonna go there and do, find out a little more history, like see the artifacts and stuff and see if we can get anything to touch on it with us and.
[00:26:22] Michelle: Yeah, see if we can get any names of people that
[00:26:24] Dawn: parents awake. We have some new equipment we’re gonna be bringing along.
We’re gonna have our cameras on us when we’re sleeping. I mean, yeah,
[00:26:38] Jeremiah: doing the whole thing, the whole investigation.
[00:26:40] Dawn: Yeah. We got some new experiments coming up and everything, so
[00:26:45] Michelle: yeah, we like doing the, um, letting people watch us. This is something new we’ve started doing, letting people watch us while we sleep.
Um, cuz there are some Niels out there who, um, will log in at two or three o’clock in the morning and watch and they can see if they catch anything on camera around us while we’re sleeping. Uh, and and one of the things that we’re excited to do, um, we’re gonna be putting new against old. Next weekend we have some new equipment that we have ordered, um, and then we have some old equipment.
I, um, ordered a, you know, those old cassette players, Uh, this one was sold in a JCPenney catalog in like 1979. So I have that and we just wanna compare the old style of recordings to the newer style and just see how it compares with picking up EVPs. The same thing with cameras and um, photos. Just, we’re just gonna start comparing new with old and see what we come up
[00:27:52] Jeremiah: with.
So you talked about the EVP thing, or that’s what it’s called, right? Yes. Evp. Um, have you guys picked up a lot of stuff on there and what kind of things, uh, are ghosts saying or what kind of messages are coming through?
[00:28:07] Michelle: I recall? Yeah, I would have to say that’s probably our. One of our favorite ways to investigate, um, is with electronic voice phenomena.
And we also love, you know, we love our we you board, but we also love to do that because I feel that that’s one way that you know for sure, you know, we’re all sitting in the same room together. We know what each other’s saying. So when you play it back in real time and you hear something else in the room on the recording, we all know it’s, it’s not something fake or it’s, it’s real.
And so that’s one of the things that we love about that,
[00:28:47] Don: you know, and our mission statement is, hauntings have a story to be told. Mm-hmm. , we look for those answers to the unknown and beyond. So, you know, when, when I’m investigating or when, when we’re investigating, we do, I, I, I like the EVPs myself cuz I’m the audio visual guy.
But I do like the EVPs cuz we’re able to. Ask the questions, and I, I just, my, my whole thing is I would love for one of the spirits to tell me what year it is where they’re at. You’ll hear it on any EVP that I do. I ask it about a bazillion times and I drive my team nuts with it . But I, I would like to get a, an answer of what year they think it really is.
I, I think that would be so cool if I could get an
[00:29:36] Michelle: answer. One of the things that we had happen, and I, we were on another podcast earlier today and I, I brought this up. Um, we were, this was on the USS Edson back to that location. We were in a room where a gentleman had passed away, and I believe his name was Paul.
And we have heard that other people have been able to make contact with him. So we decided to do an EVP session. And I believe he did answer one of our questions, but that one is not staying with me as much as the second question I asked. I did ask him, I said, Paul, are you here because you want to be here or are you here because you’re stuck?
And very clear, we get an EVP response back that says, stuck. Um, he, he didn’t answer anything else, but that was just kind of chilling, you know, that this, the spirit was just stuck
[00:30:32] Jeremiah: there. Yeah. What do you think, uh, that is like, I was gonna ask, what do you think ghosts are or whatever, Like, I hear that their, uh, spirits of people who get trapped that don’t make it to the light.
You know, that proverbial light at the end of the tunnel or whatever. And so what’s your take on, obviously that EVP said that we’re stuck, but, uh,
[00:30:55] Dawn: so we were kind of asked this earlier, and me and Michelle are on. Different ends, and I’d love to hear what Don has to say too. I think some spirits are here as residual where they’re doing the same loop over and over.
Because I had a haunting, that’s what got me into the paranormal when I was young, is we had a haunting every night at the same time, going up the stairs, going down the hallway and stopping at our door, and it was always at 1230. So I do believe spirits get stuck in that same loop, but I also do believe some spirits are just stuck here because they wanna be some, they don’t never just say, I need to go to the light, or I need a crossover.
I think that’s more of. A person wanting to do that. Yeah.
[00:31:54] Michelle: Cause we’ve never on any of our investigations, had anything even because our Wei g board, we always seem to make communication with our Wei board and I’ve never had anything else cuz things like that, you know, for help or anything. Um, they just want to let you know that they seem to just want you to know that they’re there.
Uh, why they’re there is very controversial. I’m sure everyone has. Um, but like Dawn said, yeah, a lot of them probably are just stuck in this residual moment and don’t know how to remove themselves from it. I, and I, I, I think, you know, I was talking about this earlier, I think a lot of things that we’ve encountered with people who do communicate with us, they have passed away.
Tragically, or they passed away before, you know, it was an instant thing. It wasn’t like somebody was sick and dying, knew they were dying. The most of the people that we have made contact with were people that died quickly, you know, a heart attack, suicides, um, things like that. And it just makes, Yeah, I, I mean, it makes you wonder, are they just, Yeah.
Literally just stuck here because of that. But yeah. Don, I wanna know what your thoughts are on that.
[00:33:08] Don: Well, I, the reason that I got into this is I, without getting into a whole podcast about religion or anything like that, , um, , um, we all are a ball of energy. And this is how I feel. Uh, I think our spirit is, And that energy lives on.
Uh, and I believe when that energy, when we pass away from this body, uh, and the body no longer works, that energy is still there. And that energy, whether it go, whether you believe it goes to heaven, it goes to hell or wherever, purgatory or whatever you believe in. I think that ball of energy is still roaming this earth.
There’s a lot of people, as Michelle said to a sponge on, on what, uh, Michelle said, there’s a lot of people that die tragically. And those that died tragically, I don’t believe that they believe that they’re dead. Um, I think that they, they died tragically and they’re like, I’m still alive. I don’t believe that I’m dead.
And their energy is still traveling, and they’re still trying to figure out, Hey, why can’t anybody hear me? Why can’t my family, they’re in the, the, uh, living room with their family. Hey, I’m talking to you. I’m talking to you, and nobody can hear ’em. So, to, to make a long story short, I feel that our spirit is a ball of energy.
And once you are physical body passes away, that energy’s still on the earth. Uh, you know, and if you believe in God, you believe that energy goes to, to heaven, But what’s to say that you can’t come back to earth because you loved it being down here? That energy can’t be back down here. Um, you know that.
So that’s my take on why I do what I do. I, I would love to talk to somebody. Uh, and we have, we’ve got a lot of EVPs. Um, so, you know, if I could answer one person’s story or somebody come to me with, with a message that I could pass on to a family member, I, I’ve been elated.
[00:35:02] Michelle: Yeah. And, and that brings me back to the USS Edson again.
Um, there was, during the war time, you and I, correct me if I’m wrong, Dawn, because I’m not big on dates during war time, but I think it was in the 1940s. Um, am I correct on ? Was was that in the 1940s that the us Yeah. Okay. So there was a sailor, I believe he was really young, maybe 18 or 19 years old, and he received a dear John letter.
Uh, his girlfriend was breaking up with him. He was so distraught that he went down in an area of the ship, which Don and I did try to get down into, but we can’t. But it’s a really tight spot down there. And he went down there knowing that he could suffocate himself down there. Um, and so he, he took his life because of this dear John letter.
And so we kind of stuck. Our EVP recorder down there as much as we could. And we asked him some questions and I know he answered some things, but we just couldn’t really catch what he was saying. But I, I, one of the questions I also asked was, um, Do you miss your girlfriend? Very clear evp. It was a long one and it said yes.
And you know, that was in the 1940s and here we are, you know, I think this was in 2021. So even over all these years he’s still thinking, you know, of his girlfriend. And it just, it’s very interesting.
[00:36:38] Dawn: Yeah. I think you’re stuck in whatever year Yeah. That you’re in,
[00:36:44] Don: you know, And the, and the other thing is, is we have to, as paranormal investigators, we have to remember that we may be dealing with.
And, and this is my opinion, uh, and this is how I investigate. I’m not saying this is right or wrong or indifferent, but we as para uh, me as a paranormal investigator, I have to remember that I may be dealing with somebody from, you know, 1797 or 1843 or even 1912, and they don’t understand all of the gadgets, uh, of the electronics that we have today.
And so we, and, and our team, we explain to ’em what we’re doing and how to use our equipment. And I think that, uh, you know, we need to do that cuz a lot of these people, they don’t know what all this electronic equipment is at all. You know, cuz they didn’t even have lights probably when some of these people were alive or cards or anything along those lines.
So it’s important for me anyways. To tell the spirit that hey, this is what this device does. It’s not gonna hurt you, it’s just gonna help me talk to you. Yeah, that’s
a
[00:37:58] Michelle: very good point.
[00:38:00] Jeremiah: Yeah. I was joking with people at work and I was like, What if when you die you just continue on life and you have to wake up tomorrow as it goes to go to work, be a work ghost
I was like, how much would that,
[00:38:15] Michelle: I
[00:38:15] Dawn: think, I think, see my little theory is some do, I think some people get stuck in that kind of Groundhog day loop and keep doing it. But that’s what I love about paranormal research is you can figure out all the, all the different things and that is like my biggest study on that because I had that happen to me.
So, But I do I everybody, most probably. Do whatever, but I think some just might live a traumatic day or just a day.
[00:38:58] Don: You know, Jeremiah, I, let me, let me give a big shout out cuz we haven’t told you about everybody. We have Doris on our group. Have Danielle on our group. Jennifer on our group, and we have Savannah on our group.
Uh, so that’s, that’s our group. And when we all get together the energy in the room, I, I think we could get probably a hundred thousand spirits with all of the energy that we put together when we’re together. . Yes.
[00:39:30] Jeremiah: Yeah. I feel like they can pick up on that too.
[00:39:32] Michelle: And I think there’s different spirits that relate to different individuals on our team too.
Um, they feel comfortable with one person or the other to talk to. Dawn and I just recently, just in the past couple of days, discovered something. She was going over some videos, um, from her SLS camera, and over the last couple of years we’ve come to realize that on, I would say at least three or four investigations at different location.
It was
[00:40:05] Dawn: four or five we count.
[00:40:06] Michelle: Yeah. Um, I have a small child spirit that seems to, We didn’t put it together, you know, I just assumed, well, these locations each had a child. I didn’t really think about it. But now we’re starting to think that I, this child is possibly attached to me. And because at one location it sat on the bed next to me, another location, it stood next to me, I think at the Hinsdale house.
It was on the chair by me or something. And then, Just recently we were at a location where it sat on my lap and it just, it’s, it’s really interesting.
[00:40:46] Jeremiah: Yeah, I heard about, uh, attachment and some of the other investigators I’ve spoken to say like they have to tell the spirit to stay where they’re at. or else to follow ’em home or wherever they go.
They do. Yeah,
[00:41:00] Dawn: they actually do. My house is on it and I think some are from, uh, some were already here, but some has followed me home and one was from an asylum up the road. But I mean, as long as they’re good ghost and that causing trouble, I’m good with it.
[00:41:23] Michelle: Yeah. I was gonna say, I don’t think any of us have brought home anything bad or evil.
No.
[00:41:30] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve heard that most of the ghosts are not like bad or evil or demons or whatever. Uh, most of ’em seem to just be normal people or if there is a bad spirit, it’s just probably cuz they were a asshole of their
[00:41:44] Dawn: life. And that’s what it is. If you are an asshole in real life, that’s how you’re gonna be in the afterlight.
Just because you died doesn’t make you a good person. More
[00:41:54] Michelle: angry. .
[00:41:55] Dawn: Yeah. So, and a lot of ’em, they’re, they’ll don’t have a problem pulling your hair or, you know, getting the energy from the room to do something crazy, like knock over a cup and I mean, that takes a lot of energy for them to be able to manifest and do something like that.
So that’s like a, a gem if you get it on video. Mm-hmm. too. Mm-hmm. .
[00:42:25] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’ve heard of like ghosts or spirits making like signs, like, uh, I don’t know how to describe it. Like, they’ll do stuff that will like, make a person realize who they are. Like maybe if it’s a grandma that passed away, they’ll like, move something in house or do something to make the person living there know that it’s grandma.
[00:42:50] Dawn: Oh yeah. I mean, I believe that people give you little signs when they pass. Personally don’t try to communicate with anybody that I’ve lost, but that’s just me. Just never did it. And
[00:43:07] Don: just have, I’ll tell you a story. Uh, back when, oh, 1988, um, my father was dying of cancer and I, I had been at the hospital for probably about 28 hours.
and I, I had just, I’d had enough and he looked up at me and he, he told me, he said, Go, you need to get home. Go take a rest. You’ve been here just like you, anything. And I said, No, I’m not gonna leave. You know, I, I walked out into the hallway and I put my head down. Uh, I had sat down and I put my head down on a radiator at this, at the hospital.
And, um, you know, just, I, I don’t know how long I had dozed off, but my dad come to me and he, he told me, put his hand on my shoulder. He says, and I, uh, it wasn’t a dream. And, he says, You know what, go home, son. Go home. You need to rest. And about 15 or 20 minutes later, the nurse come out, uh, and he, she said, You, your dad passed away.
So I, I am a firm believer. and that that energy and those that, that are like, grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, I think they’re still here and I think they’re right beside of you. They watch over you and they guide you. And I’m like, Dawn, I don’t try to talk to, to family members. I would love one to come through and tell me I’m doing good job in life,
But I don’t talk to, I don’t look for my family members. I, I want to answer other people’s questions, you know, or other give that story that, that, uh, entity wants me to tell. That’s what I want to do, you know?
[00:44:52] Jeremiah: Yeah. And I actually have a ghost story now that I think about it. Well, it’s not me personally, but my mom, her and my dad were caring for my grandpa.
He was dying. And, um, he stayed in one room and they stayed in another room in this big condo. And, uh, he ended up passing away. Well, she went to clean out the room. and she was like, It’s getting stuffy in here. I’m gonna open the window. And she said as soon as she opened the window, she swears, and my mom’s not the type of person to make anything up.
Uh, and she’s like, I saw a puff of smoke just fly from the room out the window. And she’s convinced that it was his spirit going.
[00:45:33] Don: Oh, 100%. I, yeah. I have to tell you this story, Jeremiah, because Michelle touched on it earlier. Um, we were at the, we were at the crypt where she saw the entity walk across.
Well, we were at the, the investigation before Wildwood Sanitarium, and it was kind of all of us together. And uh, Michelle was in another room sleeping. We’d all spent the night there. Well, she couldn’t sleep because there were flies in the room. So she got up and come out. She’d come out where I was. Um, and slept on the couch across from me.
I kind of woke up, I heard her get on the couch and I fell back asleep. Well, when I had fallen back asleep, I went into like a deep sleep and I had a dream of Michelle and I, uh, walking down this asphalt path. And there was a little girl in between Michelle and I, and we were holding her hands. And the little girl we were walking and the little girl looked up at me and she said, Watch her.
Watch her. And then she ran off. She was gone. And I, you know, I woke up next morning and so fast forwarding, we went over to the Wildwood Sanitarium. Cemetery where she caught the entity and her and I were walking on the asphalt road in the back of the cemetery and Michelle looked at me and she was as white as a ghost, no pun intended.
And she fell out, um, and fell into my arms and I caught her. If I wouldn’t have been there, she’d have fallen on the ground and maybe hurt herself. So, it was like that was a sign for me to make sure she was okay. So I believe there as angels and spirits that are there to, to watch
[00:47:27] Michelle: over us. Yeah, that was pretty wild cuz um, I had went out looking for them cause I was done taking my pictures and I went out looking for them and I, I found Don walking and I went up to walk next to him in the cemetery and I just, um, I, I dunno if it was my sugar or, or something.
I don’t know. I got, I tend to get, sometimes I get, um, A little lightly. Yeah. And, um, I, I was just blacking out and thank goodness he, you know, like, like, like his, his room. Yeah. And then he helped me back to my, my truck so I could sit in my truck for a while. But it’s just crazy how he had that dream and then the next day it actually
[00:48:10] Jeremiah: happened.
Yeah. It’s like premonition. Yeah. Yeah. That’s,
[00:48:15] Don: that’s what makes me as sensitive and, and what, and I, I re, I elute back to this, and I’m not gonna keep going back to it, but I, Michelle and I have known each other for a bazillion . I feel like her and I have been together for, for a thousand. And I, I’m not exaggerating that for thousands of years.
And I feel in, in, in other lives. Her and I have connected, and I, I think. It. It’s funny because she’ll say something and I know she’s gonna say that before she says it. It’s really weird. .
[00:48:50] Jeremiah: Yeah, the um, I know reincarnation is like a theory or whatever, uh, religious belief in some places, but like I think there might be something to it.
Like maybe you get to pick, to come back to earth if you’re like passed on or whatever. I do,
[00:49:11] Dawn: but my husband always says, How can you believe in God and believe in aliens? I’m like, Why can’t I believe in everything? So ? Yeah.
[00:49:23] Jeremiah: Well, I believe in God and I believe in that. So, Cause I’m, because God could have created aliens.
[00:49:32] Dawn: I think God is alien. Who’s to say he is not? I’m,
[00:49:39] Jeremiah: Yeah, I’m, I’m, Maybe technically he is. He’s not walking earth or, or
[00:49:43] Don: anything. He’s omnipresent. Yeah. So do you not go, that’s another podcast ,
[00:49:48] Michelle: right? Yeah. Do you not go, you said you don’t go on any paranormal investigations. Have you not been on any at all, Jeremiah?
[00:49:57] Jeremiah: Uh, no. It’s not really my wheelhouse to be honest. Uh, but I like interviewing people who do it. I’m more on like the alien ab alien abductions, stuff like that. I love that. Like ancient, ancient past forgotten civilizations. Like I was just backpacking through Peru. Oh, wow. Looking at all the old ancient ruins.
Jeremiah,
[00:50:18] Don: you’re a man after my own heart . I, I am so into the ancient cities, the Maya, the Inca. I am so into all of that. And you know, I think that our culture. And I’m not just talking about America, but I’m talking about the world. Our culture was built on those ancient cities, those ancient, our ancient forefathers and mothers.
Our culture was built on that. And I think that back in the day, um, a back thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, their beliefs were so strong in astrology. They used astrology as, you know, in a lot of their beliefs. And I believe that that energy from the, the, the sun, the stars, that energy is what is left on the earth.
And oh my gosh, don’t get me started. I, I just, I love ancient cities. , Donna,
[00:51:21] Dawn: I’m opposite of you on that. I, I think some ancient angle.
[00:51:25] Michelle: I love that show
[00:51:27] Dawn: here on the earth and they helped our people along with technology. And when the aliens left, they took their technology. We had to start from the Stone
[00:51:41] Jeremiah: Age.
Yeah. I had the chance to interview three different people from that show. Oh, don’t tell me.
[00:51:50] Michelle: I was scary to say that. .
[00:51:53] Jeremiah: No, I did not get te uh, to go interview him yet, but I’m trying. And, uh, Well, here’s a little side story real quick. I went to Ancient Aliens live in New Jersey. Oh no. And, um, they were, we, we paid for like the picture, photo shoot with them afterwards.
Oh. And um, the day before Georgio came down with Covid and couldn’t come. So we didn’t get a picture with him. So we’re going to New York next month so we can finally get a picture with him. That’s
[00:52:26] Michelle: awesome. What it
[00:52:27] Jeremiah: is. But I, uh, I interviewed Jason Martel off the show. Uh, Scott Allen Roberts. Yeah. And La Marli.
So yeah, it was great. I love all that stuff. All that old forgotten or forgotten for most people stuff and there was definitely something going on back then. And I think they had a lot of connection with the afterlife too. But they did.
[00:52:51] Dawn: They did. They celebrated their dead and I mean, there’s still cultures now that dig up their dead once a year re bathe them, redress their skeletons and new clothing, dance with ’em, and then re put ’em back in for another year.
[00:53:12] Jeremiah: Yeah. There was a lot more connection with the spirit and with nature and stuff back then. We’ve kind of drifted from that.
[00:53:18] Dawn: Yeah. I think we all should become witches, ,
[00:53:24] Don: and more locks.
[00:53:29] Jeremiah: So I’ll ask, uh, since we’re running up on the hour here, Okay. Your, if you could, money was not an issue, what would be your favorite place to go to a Goen investigation? Oh,
[00:53:44] Dawn: I know mine, it would be the Ram in, and that’s in England. It’s called the Ancient Ram Inn. It’s like they found bones inside of the walls.
There’s like every kind of spirit you can think of. There’s an Incubus, there’s a Succubus, there’s Poultrygeist guys, there’s shadow figures. There’re witches did their thing. I mean, Devil worshipers did their thing. This Ancient Inn is just so haunted, but it’s a place I would love to go. And there’s this other castle in Ireland, but I can’t remember.
[00:54:29] Michelle: I’m gonna have to say mine is probably, I mean, I’m, I’m sure there’s places I would like to go overseas, but I, I’m gonna be closer to home. I mean, I have already been there. Went to New Orleans and I, I wasn’t there very long. Was only there briefly, but I felt in love with New Orleans and I actually have footage of something too that I caught in one of the cemeteries there.
But there’s so much to investigate in New Orleans and I just, I just would like to go back and stay for like a month in New Orleans and just investigate. And these cemeteries are magical. Road trip. Yes. Road trip. .
[00:55:14] Don: I, I think, well, I have, I have a bucket list. It would take us three podcasts for me to tell you where I wanna go.
not an issue. Yeah, money’s not an issue. I, I have two or three in the states that I really like to go to. The Idaho State Penitentiary being one, New Orleans being another. Um, Gettysburg being a third. Um, but overseas, the one place that I would really give anything if I could go, would be the tunnels in, in Germany and the concentration camps.
I would love to go over there and investigate, um, and, and talk to, you know, 2.5 million Jews that got slaughtered, cuz I know their energy is still over there. That would be my ideal place of money was no.
[00:56:04] Dawn: Yeah. But then would we speak, would we speak their language? When they’re coming through on an EVP or do they come through as English?
[00:56:14] Michelle: Yeah, like in your, in your classroom.
[00:56:16] Dawn: Guys ever wonder that if you’re in Japan, are they gonna speak Japanese? Yeah. Are they gonna speak English cuz they’re talking
[00:56:22] Michelle: to you? Yeah, that’s a good point.
[00:56:25] Don: Well, that’s a good question. You know what? I don’t, I, I don’t know, but I would like to go find out . Yeah, me too.
[00:56:33] Jeremiah: Let’s go. I would assume that they speak in their own language and you’d have to just
[00:56:39] Michelle: like, Cause I know I’ve seen on some of the shows, that they go to places like that and they have things speaking back to them in English. I’m like, no, I don’t think so.
[00:56:50] Dawn: That just, you have a hard time with that. Yeah.
[00:56:55] Jeremiah: Yeah. I find that hard to, to believe. So for me, I think I want to go to each, Oh yes. I’ve never been, but I would love to just go inate pyramids and. . I heard there’s like healing energies inside the pyramids too. Like you feel
[00:57:13] Michelle: something A little side note about me, I don’t even think my team knows this, but, um, I always, when I was growing up, wanted to be an Egyptologist, so that, Oh, I don’t think I ever told you guys that.
So I absolutely love Egyptian history and Yeah.
[00:57:31] Don: Jeremiah. Yeah. The, the pyramids were made by the aliens and designed, so I am absolutely positive there is power in those pyramids
[00:57:43] Dawn: in the wrong part too.
[00:57:45] Michelle: We can go on And that’s .
[00:57:50] Jeremiah: Yeah. I want to go there. And then, um, I’ve always wanted to go to Japan. Yeah. I know you had mentioned Japan.
Mm-hmm. . But, uh, I want to, not only just the city, but like, I don’t wanna go out to the, like dojo’s and stuff out and like, uh, I. I forget the name of the place, but out in the countryside. Yeah. Oh, okay. And just see the ancient samura, like where they lived and stuff like that. I get that. But yeah, we’re uh, wrapping it up here, so thank you guys for coming on.
Well, thank you for and speaking with us. Thank you. Almost definitely. I know we could have probably talked about a lot more, but we’ll save it for another
[00:58:28] Don: time. , Jeremiah, we could have three or four podcasts. I, I love to talk about this and I love to talk about other, other things, but I will tell you now, um, and, and I’ve gotta give a plug to, to my group.
We, we have the most loving group and I’m not knocking anybody else’s group. I love all paranormal investigators, but our group is family. Yes. And that’s exactly what I love about this group is we are outside of paranormal investigating. We are family and. You know, family isn’t by blood. It’s association and all of our teammates that are on this group, we love each other and we respect each other and we respect each other’s feelings.
And if you can ever, I, I would tell anybody, find a group if you’re into this that is like that. Because if you don’t, you’re missing out.
[00:59:26] Michelle: Okay, son. I
[00:59:27] Dawn: love that. Don .
[00:59:31] Jeremiah: Yeah. I, I watch you guys or not watch, I look at your guys Instagram posts and stuff, and I can tell you guys are like really close knit. Yeah.
And like do stuff together and it is pretty cool.
[00:59:45] Don: And the other thing is, is our spouses, all of us that have spouses, they are all involved in this too, as far as they support. Although Don’s, Don’s husband’s a little squeamish, He doesn’t like going out, but I mean, we get together for, like Michelle said, Christmas parties and, and we do a lot of stuff outside of the paranormal investigating, and our spouses do get together with us and it, it’s just like a big family reunion when we all get together.
[01:00:14] Jeremiah: Right. ? Yeah. My wife is, uh, into some of the stuff too, and sometimes I have her on as a co-host. Uh, she’s more into like the ancient alien stuff and, um, she’s a lot more into conspiracy stuff than I am. So
[01:00:31] Dawn: yeah, me and my husband both and, and my daughter, we all love the conspiracies.
[01:00:40] Jeremiah: Yeah. And then her working at the jail, she witnesses and deals with a lot, and then she has ghost stories from that too, like hearing things there.
And yeah, it’s just a. . It’s nice to have people that share the same interests and that’s why I love doing this show so I can meet other people, right, that are similar interests and bounce ideas off of people and hear their experiences and give ’em a chance to tell their, uh, journey. Well,
[01:01:09] Don: Jeremiah, I have to tell you, when we do, when we do jails and anything to do with, uh, anything to do with like the jail system, I’m a, uh, Wayne County Sheriff police officer.
So they use me as a trigger, trigger object. I’m just saying .
[01:01:26] Dawn: And we have one nurse. Well, now we can use as a trigger object.
[01:01:36] Jeremiah: Yeah, just draw out the, uh, so what we can
[01:01:38] Dawn: tell em, Hey, bring your stuff to this location . So,
[01:01:43] Jeremiah: but yeah, thank you guys for coming on. It was great.
[01:01:48] Don: Yeah, definitely. Jeremiah, thank you for having us and anytime we would love, you know, we love talking about it. I, I could talk all night long, as you can tell. Um, I’m not shy. And, uh, please put the word out there. Follow our Instagram, our, our, our Facebook. You do. Uh, my personal Facebook, we do a lot of, uh, lives as we’re driving down or driving back.
Uh, Savannah, who is Dawn’s daughter, and I started that on our last investigation, and, and Dawn kind of stole it from us, but that’s okay. I’ll let her have some, some of it. But, uh, yeah, we would love to have followers. Check, check us out on Facebook and, and thank you Jeremiah for having us. This has been awesome.
Yep. Thank you Jeremiah.
[01:02:33] Jeremiah: Yeah, no problem. And if you guys are ever in North Carolina, hit me up. Cause that’s where I
[01:02:38] Don: that. Jeremiah, that’s where one of our, uh, teammates are right now is in North Carolina. I forget where she’s at. Um, but uh, Jennifer is in North Carolina right now. .