ParaMike Ghost Investigations
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Hello and welcome to the What If the Wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. I’m joined today by para Mike, and we’re gonna be talking about ghosts, ghost investigations, some of his own ghost investigations, and any other paranormal stuff that he’s into, and getting into his own podcast and or YouTube channel.
And, um, we’ll talk to him. So what’s up, uh, Mike?
[00:00:59] Mike: Hey, nice to meet you. Um, as you said, with that brilliant intro, I’m Para Mike. Uh, it’s not my full name or my, not my real name obviously, but it is Mike, um, primarily a YouTube channel. Got interested in paranormal investigations or ghost hunting, I guess a couple of years ago, maybe a year and a half ago.
And it’s just been full throttle from there in terms of like me falling down the rabbit hole of everything ghost related and paranormal. So
[00:01:25] Jeremiah: what was that catalyst that made you start this like journey? Like was there a certain moment that you were like, oh, I gotta start looking into this
[00:01:34] Mike: e e Exactly that.
Um, so it was August, 2021 and like my history is, I’m, I’m big into horror movies and I’ve always quite liked the idea of horror ghosts and stuff like that, but not to the point that I believed it. It was like a Hollywood ENT or a Hollywood thing that’s just there to scare you essentially. Um, so anyway, back in August, 2021, my fiance booked us on a, a local ghost hunt.
And I was massively cynical beforehand. To the point that there’s a message to a friend group beforehand me saying we won’t find anything that can’t be explained by science and rational thinking. Um, and then we went along to this ghost hunt and there was things that I couldn’t explain with science or rational thinking,
And um, and it was, it, it was like that moment where I was just like, hang on, maybe there is something to this. And in my, I dunno, in my arrogance sort of thing of thinking it was all just people being crazy or whatever, or people believing things that weren’t real or being tricked by their own brain. I didn’t kind of, didn’t believe it until I had some of my own personal experiences.
And then, uh, from that point, I’ve got a very obsessive personality. So it was, as I say, it was like full throttle. The next thing I know, I’m reading countless books on Poltergeist and setting up my own YouTube channel to go out, uh, doing my own investigations and trying to learn as much about it as possible.
[00:03:05] Jeremiah: I don’t know, do you want to care or do you care to share some of those experiences that you had?
[00:03:10] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. So it may, it may seem really minor in the grand scheme of things, in terms of, um, what people have captured as evidence on investigations. But we basically had a, a K2 meter or an EMF meter.
K2 is sort of the, the name that they get given. And that’s named after one of the versions of the EMF meter called a k2, which is probably the most popular within Go something. Um, we had a K2 meter, which definitely felt like it was responding to our questions rather than just being set off by like environmental EMF or someone’s phone or something like that.
Because we’d ask a question and it would go all the way up to the red i e the highest reading it’s possible to get on a K2 in response as if we took it as yes. We asked a bunch of questions that were like, Well, we went through the alphabet with a bunch of letters and managed to get, uh, c a L for Cal as well as some other letters.
And I said, are you messing with us? When I said that it went all the way to red, but we’ve said Cal, and then went on to say, is your name Calum? And again, it shot up to red, stayed there for a bit, and then died off. We said, we asked, did you? It was a pub we were investigating. Did you invest, uh, did you live in this pub of your mum straight to red?
Did you live in this pub of your, any siblings straight to red? You live in this pub of your dad? And it didn’t move. And that was the more compelling thing, that it wasn’t like a time-based thing where every couple of seconds it would go up to red. When we were asking certain questions, it wasn’t responding.
And we managed to ascertain that it was allegedly a 13 year old boy called Callum who lived in the pub at some point. Um, but yeah, it was just very interesting that it was almost as if it was intelligent. And as I say, it wasn’t, it didn’t seem like a normal cycle of like an emf, uh, field or anything like a, a natural one.
Um, we also use dowsing rods. Now I’m anything sort of physical based in terms of investigations. I’m not a hundred percent sold on due to the idiomotor effect. I e tiny muscles in your body could be moving whatever it is, and you are unwittingly doing it. But we use some dowsing rods and got some interesting things with that.
Like for instance, there was someone I had prior knowledge of who’d passed away a couple of weeks before just outside of this pub, and he was actually brought inside while they waited for the ambulance to turn up. Unfortunately, he, I think he was dead on the scene, but we believed that we sort of contacted him and I had these dowsing rods and they were an, they were crossing to answer in the affirmative to a couple of questions that I kind of, again, it was me using them, so I kind of already knew the answers.
So that could have been me. Then at one point I sort of said, whereabouts are you in the pub? And they pointed to an empty seat. , which was interesting. Then the minute that happened, I said, can you put a K2 meter there? And the K2 meter started registering that something was there. So I say it wasn’t ground necessarily groundbreaking stuff, like things getting thrown across the room or doors slamming or anything.
But it was enough to make me go, maybe there is something in this. And ultimately as well, like it’s a nice way for me to, and my fiance to spend time together, basically go off and be weird for a night in Ghost Hunt .
[00:06:12] Jeremiah: So for anyone listening who’s not quite on to this type of stuff, what exactly is a K2 meter?
Like? What’s it like trying to do pick up or whatever?
[00:06:22] Mike: So they measure electromagnetic fields. Now there’s a lot of things that do generate electromagnetic fields. For instance, your laptop will, or your mobile phone will, or even the human body generates a small electromagnetic field. Light bulbs, for instance, do.
So. It is all around us, but. , the, the selling point of the K2 is that it’s an, it’s an EMF detector, so it’s sexy fields, but it’s actually quite a crap one, which means that it’s, it’s good for ghost hunting in the sense that it doesn’t pick up some of the more minor fluctuations, and it hasn’t got a meter on them as such.
It’s, it’s just a series of five LEDs. So it’s ideal for when you’re ghost hunting, because generally speaking, the lights are out. So you can see the LEDs lighting up, depending on how strong the EMF signal is. They go from green through to app, through amber, into red, and it’s very easy to read because it’s just a series of five LEDs.
So it’s either green standby, all red, big, big amount via EMF or something in between. Um, so I think that’s why they’re, they’re picked up so much by, uh, paranormal investigators, but basically detects EMF fields. There’s a lot of theory behind ghosts spirits, whether you wanna call them generating EMF fields or being able to manipulate EMF fields.
I’m not necessarily sure how much I believe in that because there’s no actual basis for that belief. But it is interesting when seemingly one is responding to your questions.
[00:07:49] Jeremiah: Yeah, that is pretty wild. . It would make me think, you know, something’s up too because Yeah. You know, what are the
[00:07:55] Mike: chances, , and this is kind of the thing, like much like you, we sort of touched on before the show, like in a sense I don’t, I don’t even feel like I’m doing ghost investigations or paranormal investigations sometimes I’m just trying to find weird, anomalous things and go, well, that’s really weird.
And one of the things that crops up again and again is when things are too coincidental to be coincidental. And I don’t necessarily have any great examples of that off the top of my head, but the more I’ve gone into this, the more I’ve started looking at things and going, the probability of that being a coincidence is probably so slim.
It might as well be something weird going on. Right.
[00:08:34] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. Now what are you, um, completely different, but what do you, uh, think about or what’s your thoughts on the whole Ouija board thing?
[00:08:44] Mike: Um, so again, pardon me, thinks Idiomotor effect, it’s the people touching it that are moving it without knowing that they’re moving it.
Um, and and to ex explain that for anyone who doesn’t know, the Idiomotor effect is basically micro spasms or movements in muscles that you can’t feel. So you are sort of subconsciously moving something. Spae thinks idiomotor effect in terms of the we board and in terms of anything physical that you use with your hands that isn’t necessarily electronic.
Um, but the other part of me is that me and my partner have kind of always had that we’re never going to touch one. Um, and to this day we still haven’t. And that’s not, and that’s primarily because like, I don’t necessarily believe that there’s anything evil that you can contact while. Doing paranormal investigations or certainly I haven’t experienced it yet, if there is, but if that not 0.1% chance that the weed ward is a gateway to something evil , I don’t really wanna be messing with it.
Right. Um, and I know people say they’re fine if you open ’em up and close ’em down properly and stuff, and that’s fine. But everything in terms of paranormal investigations is entirely theoretical. So I don’t know. So people can say, oh, it’s fine if you open it or close it properly, but how do you know for certain?
And also a weird sort of tangent, um, while myself and my partner were on holiday I up in the North England, we, we went to see a Tara Reader just as sort of, Hey, we’re on holiday, let’s go and do that sort of thing. We got talking and she basically turned to me and she was like, don’t touch we boards, they won’t do you any good.
And I was just, Bias confirmed, basically like that’ll do. .
[00:10:30] Jeremiah: I will take your, uh, advice on that one. Yeah.
[00:10:33] Mike: Again, I’ve seen some interesting things with we boards. I can never fully disprove or prove them because I’m never going to touch one. But I’ve also seen some, some really silly things with them where people were like, three people will sit there and it’ll spell out one of their brother’s names, and then they’ll go, oh, that’s your brother.
And it’s like, yeah, but one of the people whose brother is, is sat there touching the ette. So Chance, sorry. Could just be them moving it. Yeah. I always
[00:10:59] Jeremiah: wondered that too. And I think I played with one when I was like younger, like teen or preteen or whatever. And um, it always did seem like someone was moving it
Mm. . But I, you know, I don’t know for sure, but it’s one of those things, like you said, that it’s better off just, uh, leave it alone for me personally, cuz I don’t know if there’s that 1% chance that I can open a doorway to evil realm or something. I don’t, I don’t wanna be responsible for that .
[00:11:30] Mike: No, absolutely.
And like, and I mean that could be true for anything, any, any sort of paranormal investigation method, like in if it’s a, a spirit box or, or if you do a mirror scoring that could have the same things. But I don’t know. And it’s probably due to the movie The Exorcist, but the, uh, the we board just definitely has more of a bad rap for things going wrong.
Do you know what I mean? So, so that’s the one that I’m sort of overly cautious. . Yeah, it
[00:11:56] Jeremiah: definitely has a, uh, history to it, a dark past to it as far as like it’s always portrayed like on the evil thing, like horror movies or whatever. So yeah, I know. Yeah, there, I know people that are, you know, fine with it and use it and say that it’s fine and all that stuff.
But yeah, me personally, I, I don’t want anything to do with it. .
[00:12:18] Mike: Yeah, and I mean, I’ve got, I’ve got, I’ve got some ideas of how we can sort of test the we board to see the validity of it, which will be interesting when it comes up. We, um, we were on an investigation recently and we tried to actually, basically three people were on a weed board and I wrote a word on my phone that none of them were, none of them knew about, cuz I chose not to show them that the word was smelly, that I wrote at the time, just like, just an abstract word that they’re never gonna, not like anyone’s name or not like anything common, but just an abstract word that I was like, bow do.
And it never came up on the We Ward, even though we asked for a lot. And I was like, okay, that’s, that’s what you’d expect. Because the chances of them knowing that word is very slim. Um, and then afterwards we, we’ve got a device called the Alice Box. Now the Alice box is basically, you switch it on and it’s te I believe it’s text changes in electromagnetic frequencies and things like temperature and humidity and things like that.
And then it will spit out a random word from a dictionary of something like between 1600 and 2000 or something. I dunno the actual number, but, um, but we were doing an Alice box session all the, all of a sudden the word smell comes through and I was like, again, the probability of that actually, it’s, it’s probable, but the probability of it actually happening is very slim for me to write a word and then for that one word out.
16,000 to 2000 words to be picked to come through was like one of those moments where we were all like, uh, what just happened?
[00:13:50] Jeremiah: Yeah. So that pub that you were investigating or doing your experiment on, um, was it like a abandoned pub or was it one that’s still in use?
[00:14:01] Mike: No, it was still in use. So it was a, it was sort of a local, um, events company and it was their first sort of public event that they put on there.
So it was, it’s still in use, it’s still open to this day. And um, and they just essentially sort of rented out for the night to, to do a ghost hunt. Um, and I think some, it’s kind of got a reputation of being haunted around this, this area, but also I think some pubs are open to it in wintertime when it’s quieter and they’re sort of closing up earlier anyway.
Cuz if you can sell a ghost hunting event, again, it’s more money for them. But yeah, it was, it’s still fully operational. It’s still open seven days a week, however, whatever.
[00:14:38] Jeremiah: Have you been to any places that are like abandoned or run down or anything like that?
[00:14:44] Mike: I, I don’t know for certain because the majority of places I go are with events companies.
I’m actually kind of against, well not kind of against, but I don’t particularly wanna be crawling through like broken glass and thorn bushes and stuff to go investigating, especially nut of all my gear on my back, like cameras and all the investigation equipment. So when we started, me and my partner, when we started Parami, I kind of said, I don’t wanna be doing like the Urbex sort of.
where it leads more to, to that sort of crawling through broken glass and whatever, and essentially sneaking into places. Cuz I was just like, it’s just not something I wanna particularly do.
[00:15:19] Jeremiah: Yeah. Yeah. I definitely feel that. Um, I don’t know, I have a draw to like abandon places for some reason. I don’t know what it is, but like, I just love when I’m driving around, taking road trips or whatever and I see abandoned buildings or I always wanna like go inside and like snoop around and see what, what’s going on.
And uh, you always hear like they
[00:15:41] Mike: are, they are very weird. Right. They’re very weird. And it’s also, that’s that idea of like what effect nature has on something when it’s just left to rot essentially. Yeah, they are, they are interesting. But to say like in terms of filming it and stuff, I was just always like, it’s too much hassle.
[00:15:57] Jeremiah: So besides the Pavo, is there any other, um, places that you’ve went that you really enjoyed or really got something out of?
[00:16:05] Mike: Oh, I’ve gotta think now. Um, There has been some really good places. I mean, we’ve done, despite the fact that I’ve only been doing this a year and a half, and the, the YouTube channel has only been going less than a year.
Um, there’s been some places that, or we’ve done a lot of places, there has been some places that have been really good. There was, uh, one, or there is one local. To me there used to be an old bathhouse, like, um, a Victorian bathhouse, and we were not really ex expecting much because it’s got a bit of a reputation in my town for being a bit crap in terms of when you go to investigate, not a lot of happens.
Um, and it was the place that probably provided us with almost interesting or compelling piece of evidence where, um, there was four of us that went into a room, closed the door as we went in. Two of us had headphones on and. Listening to white noise doing what’s called the S method, and I can explain that if need be in a second.
But myself and my friend Neil were both doing the S method. Uh, my partner Patsy and another girl were asking the questions and bearing around the door was closed beforehand. This door managed to swing open and then slam shut with such force that Neil whipped his headphones off through like blaring white noise and started going, what was that?
So, heard it through his headphones. It was that loud. There was no breeze in the room or out in the hall outside. And the only way we could get the door to replicate the same sound and sort of action of it slamming in the frame and staying there was to basically slam it quite hard from the inside and hold it shut cuz basically the door didn’t have a latch on it.
So anytime we just like tried to push it, it would hit the frame and bounce back and reverberate. So literally the only way we could get it to sort of repeat the sound in action. Was to slam it shut and hold it in the frame, which was, is bizarre. Right. And then like, the issue is the more I think about it, the more I’m like, I’m, I’m not a scientist though, so there must be a natural explanation for it.
But that could be, could be something that’s definitely paranormal.
[00:18:16] Jeremiah: Yeah. With these type of things, it’s kind of hard to tell like, um, I don’t know. I don’t wanna discredit anything, but it’s like hard to a hundred percent say you kind of have to have that slight, I don’t wanna say belief, but like you gotta have that slight like feeling that that’s what it was.
Cuz obviously there’s no like real way to, you know, measure it, capture it or whatever. So you have to go by the K2 meters and uh, you know, I think, what’s the other one? The e v p? The voice phenomenon. Yeah. Where they catch voices on there. Yeah.
[00:18:51] Mike: Yeah. And you’re right, the thing is like, The entirety of the ghost hunting, uh, I don’t wanna say industry, but the entirety of paranormal ghost hunting or paranormal investigations is entirely theory based.
So no one knows for sure if an EMF meter is able to capture paranormal activity because ghosts allegedly give of emf, or no one knows for sure if an EM E V P recorder is capturing like the voices of the deceased, because at the end of the day, it’s all theoretical. So none of these tools are legitimate ways to prove that there is some form of spirit ghost out there.
Um, and you’re right as well, the amount of stuff I, I watch or the amount of stories I’m told where I go, it’s a really good story, but I’m not there, so I can’t, I can’t say either way, right? Unless you have that personal experience. I kind of don’t necessarily believe anyone because essentially an anecdotal evidence isn’t evidence.
Because it’s just someone saying something and it’s like, okay. But on the flip side of that, I’m sure there’s things that I would say to people that I’ve experienced, they would go, that sounds like bullshit. You know what I mean?
[00:19:56] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. It’s kind of like the whole alien phenomenon and stuff. Like, we don’t have actual proof, we just have like bits and pieces of information and kind of have to form our own theory and our own belief in, in what it is.
Like I, I personally a hundred percent believe that there’s some type of alien activity going on, but you know, someone else might be like, nah, you’re completely full of crap. Or that’s bogus or whatever. So,
[00:20:25] Mike: yeah. And this is the thing, right, where it’s where like, uh, the alien, alien side of things and the paranormal side of things is entirely belief based because it’s theoretical.
No one at the moment could necessarily prove either way. if, if one side’s correct or anything. And I think that leads into some of the issues that, I mean, you, you guys on the alien side of things are well organized cuz you’ve actually got like task force and stuff in the paranormal. We ain’t got none of that.
It’s just a bunch of people with overpriced equipments shouting into thin air and hoping to potentially get something. But then you look at it and even the paranormal community, it’s like there’ll be a massive debate over whether, whether orbs are just dust or whether orbs are manifestations of a spirit or something.
And there’s so much inviting because where it’s so belief based, no one seems to be able to agree on what may or may not be paranormal. .
[00:21:19] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s so true. I actually saw, I wouldn’t say a fight, but an argument in a Facebook group once about, um, the orb debate. There was people saying like, oh no, it’s a hundred percent orb.
And then the other are like, no, it’s not. Then I was talking to someone else who runs a podcast and he said he just did an experiment and he took a picture of like this old creepy house or whatever, and he put like a red circle somewhere and there was nothing there, but he just circled it and was, and put, posted it without any context or anything.
And there was people commenting like, yeah, I see it. I see it. And then he had to come out later and be like, I just put a red circle wherever. It’s not really
[00:22:01] Mike: anything . Yeah. And this is the thing, I, I saw a thing, uh, I saw something on Facebook this morning, which is some guy’s paranormal page who he, do you know what a spirit box is?
[00:22:13] Jeremiah: Um, kind of, I don’t know if you want to explain it. Yeah, yeah. No,
[00:22:16] Mike: that’s cool. I’m not, I’m not trying to, Like patronize your anything, but No, no, you’re fine. Just, just for your audience as well. So Spirit Box is basically a, a broken radio that, you know when you’re trying to tune a, try and tune a radio in and it’ll sort of scan through static and then when it finds a radio station, it’ll stop and like store it in a memory bank.
Well, it’s basically like a broken radio in the sense that it never stops to stall stations in a memory bank. So it’ll constantly just keep looping through static white noise. And there’s a theory that you can either ghost spirits, whatever, can manipulate the white noise to bring words through, or you can hear them through the white noise.
Now there’s a guy, a guy that I saw on Facebook this morning who is basically using a spirit box to try, and I think people write into him and he’s like, oh yeah, I’ll try and connect to your loved one. And he’s using a spirit box. And then after he asks something, there’s an instantaneous reply that’s really clear, which for anyone who’s ever actually used the spirit box, it’s not like that whatsoever.
Instantaneous reply. That’s really clear. And, uh, yeah, and sounds, sounds relevant to what he’s asking as well. Cause a number of times with a spirit box, you’ll, you’ll get random words through or something, and it’s not always necessarily relevant to what you’re saying. And I took one look at him when this is absolute bullshit.
Like it’s blatantly this guy has recorded himself and put some reverb or whatever on it and just make it sound spooky and be like, Ooh, as replies to his own questions. And then just like, all he’s done is layered the audio, but the comments from people are like, oh, this was amazing. You are the best.
Thank you very much. And I’m like, how, how naive are you? Like, Avery, you want to believe that much, that this makes total sense to you? Or they’re just, they’re just naive and just think that that’s how things are. And it’s like, no, like the reality of it is, it’s, it’s not like that at all. And this is kind of where I wanna go with the well, where I am going with the YouTube channel, that I don’t want it to be made up.
Bullshit. The people fall through in seeing my praises. Because I wanna see, I wanna show people what the reality of ghost hunting is. That isn’t like the, the cable TV show where there’s activity every five minutes and it’s all drama, drama, drama. Cause it’s not like actual ghost hunting is boring as hell sometimes, cuz you sat there with nothing happening and you’re waiting for that like, Microsecond of something happening genuinely or that you think is genuinely happening and you are like, whoa, that was, that was actually quite crazy.
[00:24:42] Jeremiah: do you think, um, what do you think is behind, like, seems like certain places are like more haunted than others. Like do you think it’s cuz um, like something like say for instance, like a sane asylum are always said to be more haunted or like abandoned hospitals or churches or whatever. Do you think there’s some type of connection with like actual place and then like the haunting or the spirits hanging
[00:25:09] Mike: around?
Um, quite possibly. There’s a big theory that places were high amounts of trauma happen tend to be haunted. I e things like murders and I just say insane asylums and stuff. And that that kind of is I guess in air quotes proven by when people go and investigate and they do actually get activity. Um, but then I think.
Part me kind of thinks that like, in a sense, everywhere’s haunted, and it’s just because you’re, you, you are not going to look for it in places that aren’t reputably haunted, that you don’t necessarily find anything. Now there’s a, there’s an entire psychological debate about that as well, which I won’t go into.
Um, but for instance, like your own house could be haunted, but because you never investigate it, you’re never gonna find anything. Whereas, because Waverly Hills, for instance, in the US has got a reputation for being haunted, lots of people go there and there’s something to be said about the energy of footfall and stuff.
One of the bigger things that’s very bizarre is whenever we go to a haunted or an allegedly haunted location, the number of parallels they seem to have, and one of the big ones seems to be some form of like underground water source or running water. So the amount of them that have like a R nearby or.
they’re said to have had a well on the premises or some form of underground tunnel, um, is staggering because it’s, I would say probably about 80% of the places we’ve been to, which are allegedly haunted have that or, um, old stone brick or sorry, old, old stone buildings is something that comes up again like the stones or sort of conductor for paranormal energy or something.
And it’s one of those weird things where the more places we go to, the more parallels with other allegedly haunted places there are. And as say, like running water or some form of underground water source is a big one that keeps coming up. Well, I hear
[00:27:03] Jeremiah: a lot about like. We are like beings of energy inside, like a meat sack, basically.
Mm-hmm. . And, um, obviously the theory is like you can’t destroy energy. It just, uh, transfers or whatever. So, uh, who knows? Maybe when you die, your energy disperses. And if these places do have like running water, you know, water and electricity and , things like that. Maybe even, maybe it’s, even if it’s keeping it, holding
[00:27:32] Mike: it, even if it’s not that human being and there is a weird debate about you’re right.
Energy, or to put it into a, maybe a more digestible sense, the soul, because we’re all familiar with Christianity in that concept. Um, but also the human body’s like 70% water, right? So maybe that’s why there’s a weird connection between like flowing water and, and water keeping, uh, spirits around. Um, I agree.
I agree with you. When you say about, when you say it’s a lot about energy, my theory is that. , the Christianity, the Christian way of explaining is a soul. Um, and a soul is actually consciousness. Um, and I think it’s like the sort, sort of the consciousness that stays around because, uh, for whatever reason, it doesn’t wanna move on or it can’t move on.
And that’s actually what stays around. Um, rather than, or soul energy consciousness, whichever, whichever words you wanna use for it. Yeah.
[00:28:26] Jeremiah: I heard a theory, I forget where, but it was like the ghosts are just the souls that didn’t go towards the light. They kind of like got lost . Yeah. In that like proverbial tunnel or whatever.
Um, I mean, it’s good a theory as any, I guess.
[00:28:42] Mike: Yeah. It’s like, do you believe in God? Do you believe in ghosts? There’s like about as much, uh, proof for both of them as each other. So, but yeah, like I’ve, I’ve also heard that there’s, there’s a load of theory, so there’s some that, like ghosts are slips from parallel universes.
Where maybe there’s certain areas of the world where the veil between us and a paranal universe is thinner and you get like a weird, a weird crossover point sort of section. But again, it’s as good as any theory, right? Because it’s all theory.
[00:29:15] Jeremiah: Yeah. And it’s kind of , if you really think about it. It’s kind of creepy if, um, well at least to me it’s creepy.
If you can imagine like there’s souls like everywhere. You just, we can’t sense ’em or see ’em , but like maybe the soul of Ted is standing right next to me. I have no idea. . Yeah. It’s kind of creepy.
[00:29:37] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, like it is match. One of the, one of the other things that sort of happened to me on this journey was, um, in the early days of going on investigations, there seemed to be, um, seemed to be more activity around the groups that I was in, to the point that the investigation, uh, the events company that we went with started sort of taking.
Making fun of me and calling me Mike the Ghost Whisperer. And I was like, all right, whatever. Um, but then it got me questioning that maybe there is something in that. So I started looking into ways to basically try and enhance if I had some sort of ability. Um, and it transpired that after digging into it, it turned out that like I actually have some sort of like mediumship ability or I dunno, I kind of struggle with it because for 30, 34 years of my life I didn’t believe in any of this, especially mediums.
I thought mediums were like all con artists and then all of a sudden I go on a ghost hunt and it’s like a wave of stuff hits me and all of a sudden it’s like, Hey, actually you are a medium and you can connect with people’s deceased loved ones. However, you know, I don’t know if it’s that it could be me reading people’s minds, but the ability to do it and the ability to walk into rooms and pick up on things and then have other people who are allegedly mediums corroborate that as well is.
Freaky as hell and it’s really changed my stance or my outlook on, um, on what consciousness is and that maybe, maybe Christianity in the Bible gets some things right, and it’s just the way that they name things is a way to explain consciousness and God is a collective consciousness rather than, and that’s what is like the, the all powerful being essentially rather than a, A God or it.
It’s a God, but not a God in the sense the Christian says there’s one dude, right?
[00:31:21] Jeremiah: Yeah. Yeah. It’s like. Like you said, a collective, uh, universal force or whatever. Hmm. But, um, yeah, I always thought mediums were like a joke or like fake and all that and stuff, but there was one, when I first started my podcast, I was trying to be guests on other shows to kind of boost my, you know, presence and all, and these two women, and I haven’t heard from ’em since.
So I don’t know if they never got their show off the road or what, but. They invited me on and I told them about my near death experience and everything, and she’s like, well, do you want my friend to do a quick like, uh, medium reading or whatever? Mm-hmm. I was like, yeah, fine, that’s fine. With me. I was like, honestly, I don’t really buy it, but um, I’m open to it or whatever.
And um, this lady really creeped me out cuz she somehow knew, I never met her, never saw her or nothing. She somehow knew that, um, I was being troubled over a ring that my grandma had left me when she passed. There’s no way she would’ve known that. I’m like, I started like, Freaking out cuz I’m like, how’s this possible?
And it kind of shook my thoughts because I’m like, I never believed any of this stuff and, and now this is shaking my core belief cuz I was like, how would she know at this exact moment that I’m freaking stressing over a ring that my grandma left me. And uh, cuz I was actually selling it to get my wife, my now wife, a different engagement ring cuz she didn’t really like the style of the one my grandma left me.
So I was like, how the heck does she know that? And yeah. Then from then on I was like, I gotta interview more mediums and stuff and find out
[00:33:09] Mike: hon. Honestly, I was exactly the same prior, prior to going on that event and prior to falling down this rabbit hole I was. All mediums are charlatans, they’re all con artists.
It’s all cold reading. Then just basically saying generic things that apply to 99.9% of pop uh, humanity. And I was like, it’s all fake. Then, and then I started looking into it and started guessing things. Again, it comes back to two coincidental to be coincidental or things that I would have absolutely no way of knowing that were correct.
And this wasn’t, I like, I know what cold reading is, and this wasn’t cold reading because this was like, um, an example was I was, I was at work one day and a friend’s wife had contacted me because I sort of confided in him and I was like, I think there’s something going on in terms of my head, mediumship.
And then the next thing though, his wife messaged me going, he says, you’re a medium. Can you gimme a reading? And I was like, uh, I’m probably not , but, but sure. Like I’ve got nothing to lose and I’m at work and then all of a sudden I get, I start to get like the middle name of their newborn child, a picture of like a small dog, like a Jack Russell or something.
And then start to feel an immense wave of sadness. Like I’m about to cry. Like literally I’m, I’m at work, make myself a cup of coffee and I’m like, feel like I’m about to start crying because all this stuff’s hit me. I mess quickly messaged her and said about it and she said, or I said, I know one of your daughter’s middle names is a stone.
And she goes, it’s not, but the name you’ve given me is of one of my grandmas, which fine could be quite a common name. And then when I told her about the dog, she went interesting and didn’t say anything more. So I messaged my friend, her husband to tell him as well, and he , he basically goes, oh yeah. Um, her mum had a Jack Russell that died about a month ago.
And I’m like, well, that’s where that wave of sadness is coming from then because it’s. It’s mourning for this Jack Russell that’s not already there. And then from that point actually did readings and was able to like, describe a very vivid memory she had with her grandma and was essentially able to, um, describe my friend’s grandmother’s living room when he was like eight years old, living in London with her to like, down to like the furniture and the color of the, uh, color of some of the panels, wood paneling and stuff.
And it’s, it’s just one of those things where it’s like, again, if I saw someone else doing it, I’d go, this is bullshit. Like, it’s all done for TV or fake whoever. But when you’re both sat there going, how the hell do we, how the hell do you know that ? And I’m like, there’s no, there’s honestly for no amount of guesswork, there is no way I’d know any of it.
And it’s just, it’s crazy. Absolutely crazy. And I’m just like, things that I, things that I thought were fake for quite a long time and all of a sudden it’s like actually. Here you go. Yeah,
[00:36:02] Jeremiah: it’s uh, it’s definitely wild and, um, you know, I, I’m starting to think that there are people, and maybe everyone has an ability or some type of ability, but it’s just.
are you able to tap into it or, um, are you able to open up enough to accept it or, I don’t know, accept it, but um, like maybe once you started like trying to accept it for lack of better terms, maybe you open up more to it and are more able to use that ability. And then other people that are more rooted in this reality.
And, you know, I think of like business people that are really like, focused on like here and now and you know, money and all that stuff. They seem to not have that spiritual side. Yeah. Um, usually whereas like, I don’t know, um, but it’s like maybe we do have powers that we just don’t like tap into or don’t like try to pull out of ourselves or something.
Who knows? No,
[00:37:07] Mike: I, I agree with you. Like the thing, the analogies I’ve heard for it are, it’s, it’s like playing piano, right? , every human being has the ability to play piano. Some people are a bit more naturally gifted than others, but if you put the time in you, you’ll be able to play the piano or if you try and hone it.
The other really interesting thing about what you’ve said about everyone having some form of ability. So the CIA back in some time period, we’re doing 10 tests. Uh, I believe it was around, I’m sorry, this is going a bit, um, conspiracy theory, but the CIA were doing tests around MK ultra mind control and stuff, and they had various control groups.
And one of the things that they kept finding was that like every human being they tested had some form of base level or latent psychic ability. So I think you’re right. The it’s, it’s in everyone. It’s just whether. , you want to pursue it and whether you can pursue it. And you’re right, some people it scares the crap out of cuz they’re like, cuz they don’t wanna know, they don’t wanna, don’t wanna be involved in it cause it’s too, it’s too weird and it’s too out there for, for them to wanna be bothered with.
And I was a bit like that initially as well, the way I was like, how the hell am I able to do this? But at the moment I’m just like, I’m just gonna go with it and see what happens.
[00:38:21] Jeremiah: Yeah, for sure. And um, I know I’ve talked to mediums before that like they didn’t really want to, you know, live that life, but it just kind of came to them and they finally just accepted it cuz it was like , they kept getting bombarded with like feelings or images or whatever it is and they’re like, man, I didn’t really want to deal with this, but I guess that’s what I
[00:38:45] Mike: am.
And uh, , yeah, there, there’s definitely like a pull and I, I’ll admit that apparently no medium, no two mediums are the same. And I know some from stories from some of them. You’re right there. , it’s not something they can necessarily switched off and they are constantly getting bombarded, bombarded. So it’s like you have no choice in that situation.
You kind of have to go over it. I’m quite lucky in the sense that, uh, most of the time I can tune it out and sort of work a nine to five and not have to worry too much about it. Yeah.
[00:39:15] Jeremiah: and, um, yeah, I think, yeah, I think there’s something to it. Um, like I said before, I did not believe it at all. I thought it was, you know, a bunch of hooey.
I thought it was like, you know, the lady on the TV trying to get money off of pretending to know people and all I think of, uh, Sylvia Brown from the show or whatever, she was a big
[00:39:36] Mike: one. Yeah. And, uh, and like this isn’t get to get confused with the fact that much like the paranormal, well I suppose mediumship is paranormal much like the paranormal community.
Where it’s belief based and where it’s unprovable. There are still a lot of charlatans and a lot of fakes out there. So you’re a hundred percent right. They’re like, you look at people like Sylvia Brown, um, and I’m not super familiar with her, but there definitely are people out there who are fakes and will just cold reed and just take the money.
But then apparently there’s genuine ones out there as well.
[00:40:09] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s the downside is it’s hard to tell, you know who’s being real and who’s not. And I guess if you hang out with someone long enough, you’ll know if they’re real or not. But you know, on the surface it’s hard to tell. And, and then you have, um, , you know, these ghost shows and everything.
All, they’re, they’ve kind of made it a kind of mainstream now. They have like a channel that basically that’s all they show is like ghost shows and hauntings and stuff like that. It’s like a lot of it’s dramatized. And I’ve even talked with ghost investigators that were offered to go on a show and refused because the show wanted them to like dramatize their like investigation or whatever and like make up stuff.
And they were like, no, we don’t go for that. We’re in it for the real deal. So it does like kind of taint the whole scene.
[00:41:00] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Like the, that’s the issue. And a lot of YouTube is like it as well now, to be honest with you, because unfortunately being scary and being creepy is what gets views.
And that’s, that’s true fully for TV or YouTube. But like, but that’s very quickly where it leads to faking things or just misleading people because as I say, generally speaking, Pal investigations can be very boring and you can sit there all night and absolutely nothing can happen. So in terms of from a content creator’s point of view, they’re going, well, we need to make it entertaining.
So why would you risk having a, having a quiet night when you could just go, we’ll just, we’ll just pretend that door open by itself and someone can stand off camera. Or we’ll cut it in such a way that it looks like the door opens by its itself. You know what I mean? And it’s just like, cool , it’s, it’s probably not real.
And I’d say that’s true for probably 80, 90% of the stuff on YouTube. There’s some element of like fakery or, or uh, or human intervention in the activity that they, they get.
[00:42:02] Jeremiah: Yeah. And I, and it bugs me cuz on the alien side of things too, you get a ton of like fig U F O videos or pictures and you get a lot of the recording of like a dark room and you see like an alien peeking out from the side of the door or something and it’s like, I don’t know how people believe that, but um, , you know, it’s out there and like I know a lot of ’em I can just look in and be like, no, that’s not real.
There’s no way. And um, so it’s just, I don’t know. It bo bothers me cuz it, it takes away from the legitimate people and the legitimate sources out there that are really trying to get to the bottom of it. And, um, yeah, it’s definitely something that bugs me.
[00:42:45] Mike: No, no, I’m, I’m the same as say unfortunately, generally speaking, the illiterate uh, illiterate, the legitimate stuff isn’t, um, or not often super entertaining because it’s legitimate.
But, but as I say, that’s why things start to get faked cuz they go, well it’s more entertaining if we just show, show this and put a massive red circle around something. You know what I mean? And it’s like, and again,
[00:43:09] Jeremiah: it’s, yeah, it’s like, oh, we’ll get more views and .
[00:43:12] Mike: Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s a casual, naive audience that just wanna be scared and it, it facilitates that purpose, which to an extent is fine.
But you’re right for the people who, who for them, people get that misconception in their head. And then the amount of people we’ve met on investigations who are like, oh, it’s gonna be so scary. And it’s like, it’s not, it’s not scary at all. Nine times outta 10, it’s more interesting than scary because anomalous weird things happen and you go, what the hell is that?
Rather than having things chucked at you.
[00:43:41] Jeremiah: Yeah. And like years ago there was that whole thing with like the Slender Man or whatever and he was like getting kids to do stuff and stuff like that. But it wasn’t even a real thing as far as I know, . And it was like, man, yeah, there’s some, some gullible people out there.
[00:43:57] Mike: Yeah, it’s, it is a real shame, but it, I don’t, I don’t think there’s much you can do about it. You can attempt, attempt to educate people, but yeah, a lot, to be honest. A lot of people or a lot of, yeah, I think a lot of people probably need a personal experience to say for certain, if something’s paranormal.
[00:44:14] Jeremiah: Yes, for sure. Like, um, With near death experiences, cuz I’ve covered that before and I’ve had my own and stuff. Like, I don’t expect people to believe me, but like I know from my personal experience that it happened. Yeah. And I don’t need validation from anyone else. Um, so I do, I do talk about it. Um, I know my audience probably sick of me.
[00:44:36] Mike: I was gonna, I was gonna say, I’d love to hear it. . .
[00:44:40] Jeremiah: Yeah, it was, it wasn’t much. But um, yeah, basically I was just floating towards this light and there was like three silhouette of like beings or people I couldn’t see their face or nothing. And um, I was floating towards it and they were calling to me, telling me,
It’s okay. Come to the light. Um, it’s fine. You’re okay. And all that stuff. And um, right when I was getting close to the light, I, I don’t know, something clicked in my consciousness and I was like, no, I’m not ready to go yet. I have a mission on earth. I have things that I have left to do. And, and then I got shot back, down into reality.
And, um, I thought I had a heart attack. So I had my brother take me to the hospital and um, they hooked me up to all these machines, did blood work, all this stuff, said I was completely healthy, fine, discharged me. And, um, my heart hurt for like three or four days afterwards and then finally like faded away.
And I don’t know, it was a weird instance, .
[00:45:44] Mike: So what was the, what was, this is me interviewing you now. Um, so what was the catalyst for that near death experience? Was it, did you feel like you were having a heart attack? And then you passed out or something or,
[00:45:57] Jeremiah: oh, no, I was just, uh, it was in the dead of night.
Um, I was, had already been sleeping and um, like, it’s hard to describe, but it was like complete blackness, like I was sleeping and without dreams or anything. And then all of a sudden it was my consciousness, um, was like awake and I just saw the bright white light with the tunnel and all. And um, my consciousness just started like, Levitating towards it.
Like I couldn’t see my body, I couldn’t see like my astral body or anything like that. Uh, it was just kind of like my consciousness. And yeah, I just got kind of gravitated towards it. Kind of like you would think if you were getting abducted or something, you just get beamed up or whatever. and, um, Yeah.
And then like I said, and then when I got shot back down after I yelled at the, whatever beings they were, , that’s when I felt like I was having a heart attack because I woke up like gasping for air, like I couldn’t breathe or I was being held under water for a long time and, and my chest was hurting. It felt like someone was like squeezing my heart and that’s why I thought I was having a heart attack.
So I, my brother was living with me. I told him, Hey, you gotta take me to the hospital. And he begrudgingly did. And then all that, all that went through, because this was like 3:00 AM in the morning
[00:47:18] Mike: classic. And classic brothers were, they’re like, oh, do I have to, you’ll be fine. .
[00:47:23] Jeremiah: Yeah. Sleep it off. You’re good.
So, yeah, I’ve, I, like I said, I had an experience and I totally. Know it because I went through it. Mm-hmm. , but like I said, I don’t expect other people to believe me. But, um, from talking to other experiencers and stuff, it definitely, you know, adds to my feeling.
[00:47:46] Mike: And the compelling part about that is, I don’t know, it’s probably maybe a little bit cliche about this point, but how many other people do you hear about that have NDEs that also say it’s a ver it’s a bright light or it’s a white room and someone’s saying to you, come towards the light.
And this is also very, very prevalent with not even, not even necessarily people who have like NDEs, uh, NDEs necessarily like self, where you are, you’ve had one, but you’ve continued to lift the people towards the end of their life, um, who have those experiences as well. To the point that there’s numerous stories of nurses in hospitals, seeing, seeing patients like.
Sat on, sat on the end of their bed or whatever, talking to thin air. And whenever they’ve said, who are you talking to? It’s always like, oh, I’m talking to my mum. Or talking to someone who’s been passed away for years. And again, it’s like, how many? Two coincidental to be coincidental. Cause it’s what? It’s something that comes up again and again and again as opposed to just, they’re being two instances of it in the entire human history sort of thing.
You know what I mean? So I think that’s what adds weight to, to there being something in it, you know?
[00:48:54] Jeremiah: Yeah. Or the, um, people that had near death experiences in the hospital and um, were pronounced dead or whatever, and they came back and said exactly like what was being talked about in the room while they were, you know, supposed to be dead.
And it’s like, how would they have known that? You know?
[00:49:11] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Or like when you hear about people who have out body experiences and they claim that they’re in the corner of the room looking down on themselves and that’s like, What, how there’s, there’s no possible way. No, yeah, there’s no scientific way that it could happen at the moment.
[00:49:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. I think there’s a lot of things that are going to be discovered, especially now that we have all this high tech stuff, and, um, once I think once the older generation like fades off dies off or whatever, I hate to say it that way, but like, we’re at that point where like these older, the boomers and all are gonna start dying off and stuff like that.
And it’s, you’re gonna have a whole new generation of people who are more open-minded, more willing to look into things that previously weren’t looked into. And um, you know, now we’re dealing with, you know, Neurolink and all that stuff with a brain implants and all that stuff. So, yeah, I think we’re, we’re in the wild time.
[00:50:14] Mike: Neurolink is so scary. Like where, where’s the boundary? because if all of a sudden they’re putting, what is it? Like electrodes, maybe all of a sudden if they’re putting electrical cables into your brain so you can interface with the internet without needing a computer or wherever it is, like to share information quicker between brain to brain or wherever Neurolink are trying to achieve, what’s, what’s then stopping it from getting very minority report that thought police, and this is just me conspiracy theorying thought police going, you thought about this, therefore you’re a risk.
Or alternatively, what about security? Like what if someone hacks your Nora link and Yeah, and it’s a kill switch, right? Because it’s injected into your fucking brain, like sort swearing. Um, it’s injected into your brain. Or if they,
[00:51:00] Jeremiah: uh, or if they tap into your nolin and they can control you and make you do crimes or something.
you never know. Unless,
[00:51:08] Mike: and let’s take this one step further. If there’s some sort of insidious government agency. It would be very convenient for them to turn people off essentially if they’ve got the neural link. So I’m like brilliant idea in some ways in terms of being able to like download, potentially download things into your brain, share information, but also like, I don’t particularly want someone being able to hack my brain.
[00:51:31] Jeremiah: Yeah. Like where’s that line?
[00:51:33] Mike: Yeah. And even the thing is, even if there is a well-defined line, it’s always gonna get crossed, right? Yeah. Cuz
[00:51:39] Jeremiah: we’re human and that’s what happens. , absolutely. But I think it would be cool to use that type of technology for like, like my wife’s daughter is legally blind. It would be cool for her to be able to get an implant that would make her be able to see, or like deaf people be able to hear stuff like that would be cool.
But yeah, it’s like, where’s that line where it gets abused and
[00:52:04] Mike: Well, I think some of that stuff, some of that stuff already exists. It’s just really expensive. Because obviously it’s still quite, uh, new technology, but I’m sure there’s, there was something that came out where there was, there was like a camera that they could map into your brain.
So it would, it would act as, act as an eye essentially, and it would send signals to your brain as to what images in front of you. Um, but again, it’s, it’s early days in the technology and still super expensive. Yeah. You have
[00:52:28] Jeremiah: to be super rich to afford that
[00:52:31] Mike: Yeah. And stuff like that. But yeah, it’s stuff like, that’s probably not what you want, like a, a cheap copy from somewhere of really, if it’s like,
[00:52:38] Jeremiah: oh yeah, no, no, no.
Bootleg copy, . Um, so yeah. And then you have like, um, I’ve heard, you know, shows like Stranger Things where it’s kind of based on reality and that whole thing with like 11 and all was, is kind of based off the whole MK Ultra and all that stuff. Showing about the, you know, she had the mind powers and whatnot.
And, um, it’s just interesting to me like the link between like, some of those shows that we watch and like the reality of it.
[00:53:15] Mike: Yeah, I mean it could even be one of those things where it’s like a Hollywood movie will mention something 20 years prior to it becoming reality as like a primer to get people used to it.
Um, in terms of like, I guess telekinesis, um, much, I’ve not really seen Stranger things, but much like 11 dozen Stranger Things, telekinesis, there’s a lot of theory that back in the, and I can see you’ve got a poster it behind you back in the ancient alien sort of days in terms of, uh, symmetra or ancient, ancient smarter or whatever it’s called, and ancient Egyptian times that we did have stronger psychic abilities in some way, shape or form.
And that’s how. The pyramids were able to be built or something like that, you know what I mean? Because people still can’t work it out nowadays. And they’re like, maybe it is a case that our psychic abilities could go so much further in terms of levitating things and doing things with our minds. But as time’s gone on and we are more reliant on technology, it’s, it’s an ability we’ve lost because we’ve not nurtured it.
[00:54:18] Jeremiah: Yeah, it’s definitely possible. And I’ve heard theories of that too, and I’ve heard theories of that. Um, you know, we had more connection to like the universe or the other realms or whatever you want to call it. And that’s why you hear about all that crazy stuff in the Bible and old scriptures of dealing with weird entities and gods and all that stuff.
And maybe it was cause the, the veil was thinner and people were more in tune and they were able to like tap into other dimensions or whatever. Yeah, it’s definitely something I’ve looked into myself.
[00:54:55] Mike: Yeah, it’s it’s interesting for sure because it kind of, as much as anything makes sense, it kind of makes sense because as I say, like there’s this constant sort of divide between technology and spirituality, and as technology advances, there’s less need for spirituality as people would see it.
But does that get us further away from, from our sort of natural human abilities and being, being humanity? Right? I mean, essentially going back to Neurolink, you are talking about people then become cyborgs and then there’s an entire debate about cyborg rights and all that sort of things. In fact, there is a dude, I can’t remember his name, but he, he is legally a cyborg because he has an antenna implanted in him, and it’s like, I think he’s an advocate for like cyborg rights and stuff like that.
And it’s like, again, just this minefield that technology opens up right.
[00:55:47] Jeremiah: Yeah. Then also you have, um, all these AI robots and stuff they’re making now that can do flips and climb things, and it’s kind of like Terminator looking and it’s like, how far is the AI gonna go? And now they have like, really life-like looking AI and it’s kind of creepy
[00:56:07] Mike: And even like, I dunno if you’ve used that and I, I spoke about it on, uh, on another podcast like chat G P T. I’ve
[00:56:14] Jeremiah: heard of it. I’ve not used it.
[00:56:16] Mike: Like the stuff that that can do is, is crazy and how quick it can do it. Um, and it’s pretty scary. But also the version that you’re allowed to access now is sort of a, um, sort of a refined version.
Because apparently when it first came out, people were asking it for, uh, a recipe to make a bomb, for instance. And it would just go, yeah, sure, here you go. Here’s, here’s how to make a bomb. Or someone, I think I heard about someone asking it to. , give them a list of all the banking websites or banking servers with known vulnerabilities.
And it just went, yeah, here you go. Here’s the one’s with known vulnerabilities. It’s like, wow. If someone’s a hacker, you’ve just put it on a plate in front of them. They’re like, cool, that bank’s got a vulnerability. I’m straight in. Do you know what I mean? So there was a lot of dodgy stuff that people were using it for initially.
Whether they went through with it, I don’t know, but it’s been stripped down. But even in it stripped down, say it’s still insanely powerful. Yeah. There
[00:57:13] Jeremiah: was a guy at my work that was using it and uh, it wrote him like a, uh, letter of intent for a job. It did, uh, did computer code for him. It did like, it was crazy.
What the, what it could do . It is. He’s like, make it write, write me a sci-fi story. And it wrote ’em out like a whole, like outline of a sci-fi story. It’s crazy. . Yeah.
[00:57:38] Mike: There’s, there’s stories of people using it to write their, like law dissertations and then passing. The, the exams become a lawyer with it and it’s just like, what the hell?
[00:57:49] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s freaking wild. And for me, and you’re around my age, so like I come from like, you know, before the internet was even around and, and then dial up and stuff and the old 56
[00:58:02] Mike: modem fast. Yeah.
[00:58:04] Jeremiah: And fast forward to now, it’s like, whoa, what a leap in, you know, I, I went from playing Atari to now there’s the new Xbox in PlayStation five, and it’s like, if you would’ve brought that back to my young self, I’d have been like, whoa, what the hell?
[00:58:18] Mike: it’s crazy. We had this conversation at work recently because I, I basically work for a, um, like a network, uh, networking company, switches and routers, internet access essentially. And one of my colleagues made a very good point. The, the divide between people who are in their twenties and people who are in their thirties is massive because people generally speaking, who are in their twenties have no concept of.
Wired internet. Right. Or internet before it was wireless or wifi. And it’s like, yeah, that’s mad to think that like when you had to have an ethernet connection to get on the internet rather than it is just everywhere now and it’s, so, it’s those little things that you’re like, you never really consider, but, but yeah.
[00:58:58] Jeremiah: Mad and not having a like smartphone to look things up or .
[00:59:02] Mike: Yeah. Like, yeah, you’re right. I remember the days before the internet or where you’d have a 56 K modem, which was external and like, it would make all those horrible noises. And then, and then you’d go on the internet to do whatever , like really basic stuff
[00:59:18] Jeremiah: and like to download video or picture.
It took like all night or like half a day .
[00:59:23] Mike: Mm-hmm. I remember downloading like demos of video games, which would take something like 42 hours and it’s just like lapel .
[00:59:31] Jeremiah: Yeah. Now you can download a whole game in like minutes . It’s insane,
[00:59:35] Mike: honestly.
[00:59:36] Jeremiah: But yeah. Um, in wrapping up here, uh, If money was not an issue and you had access to any equipment, what would be your like top place to go investigate that is, and it could be anywhere
[00:59:52] Mike: in the world.
Yeah, that is an annoyingly good question. Um, , I know there’s a lot of choices. There is. Yeah. The thing is like, I think. , it’s a, there’s this weird dynamic with paranormal investigators cause the ones from the UK always seem to wanna go to America to do like the really big American ones. And the ones from America are always like, oh, we wanna come to the UK and do all that sort of stuff.
So I’m, I am a bit like, I’d kind of wanna do like, I guess an American sort of paranormal road trip and do like Waverly Hills, the Sally House, the ska Acts house, um, what’s the other one? What was she called? The Lizzy Borden house. And just do like a paranormal road Trip America and do various different places.
Now I don’t necessarily know a great deal about them, but that’ll be cool. Cause that’ll be like a once in a lifetime thing, right? Um, yeah, that would be fun. Keeping it a bit more realistic in the uk, um, I would probably rent a place called the Ancient Ram privately, which is allegedly, uh, England’s most haunted building.
Um, because I’ve been there before and I feel like there is stuff there, but. to be able to rent it privately and be able to investigate it the way I want to investigate it, rather than, uh, on an event where they sort of get you to do the things they want you to do. I think that’ll be really cool.
[01:01:10] Jeremiah: Yeah. Or like not have all the other people there to
[01:01:14] Mike: Yeah.
To, to be honest, I’m happy to investigate anywhere. Like is is there’s this weird thing where you can be really hyped about somewhere and go and it’ll be really crap. Or you can think that somewhere else is gonna be a dud and it turns out to be an amazing night and you get loads of activity so you can never predict it.
[01:01:31] Jeremiah: Yeah. You guys got all those like cool castles and stuff over there too. Like I would love to go through those and I’m sure they’ve got like dungeons and stuff there too, .
[01:01:41] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I don’t think we’ve actually done a castle yet, but yeah, we, we are a bit spoiled for, for stuff like that.
You guys are spoiled for asylums though. Cause the issue is in this country, once they’re not asylums anymore, they knock ’em down and build houses. Yeah. Um,
[01:01:55] Jeremiah: a lot of our asylums are just like abandoned and like, you’re not really supposed to go there or go in there or whatever, but, you know, people break in and stuff like that.
[01:02:05] Mike: But as I say, I know for a fact the Waverly Hills, you can rent it, which is a, a massive one over in the States, whereas in this country, because land’s a lot more scarce, they’ll just knock it down and build houses over most abandoned things.
[01:02:18] Jeremiah: Yeah. But there is a lot, you know, just here in North Carolina, there’s a lot of like abandoned places, a lot of abandoned houses.
Um, where my wife used to live, it’s like an hour north of here. Um, there’s a ton of buildings that are just forgotten to time and you just see the like vegetation overgrowth on it and um, it’s like no one bothers to fix it up or knock it down or it’s just left to time. And it is weird
[01:02:47] Mike: for sure. Um, yeah, I kind of hope that nature’s just gonna retake it and.
Destroy it, I
[01:02:52] Jeremiah: think eventually. Yeah, eventually it’ll, it’ll go back to the earth. So . Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, thank you for coming on, speaking with us, giving us a glimpse into, uh, ghost investigating. And like I said, I’m not that fluent in it or that, um, expertise in it. So to get someone who actually does the stuff is definitely, uh, appreciated.
[01:03:15] Mike: No, it’s, it’s been a pleasure. Thank you for having me. It’s, uh, it’s been really cool. It’s been really cool speaking to you.