End Times Prophecy
[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow Terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the
Welcome to the What If They’re Wrong podcast, the podcast that
you to question everything. Your reality is about to be shattered.
Hello and welcome to the What If the Wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. I’m joined today by Wallace Wagner, and we’re gonna be talking about end times, prophecies, revelations, all kinds of good stuff. So hang around, pull up a chair, or if you’re driving in your car, just stay put and uh, we’ll get into talking about this stuff.
So I’ll introduce ’em now. Hello Wallace.
[00:01:00] Wallace: Jeremiah, top of the afternoon to you.
[00:01:03] Jeremiah: Yes. Thank you for coming on, spending time with us, uh, going over this. This is one of the topics that I really like, so it’s really my forte cuz it’s, I just find it so interesting and like we were talking about before we came on lot of interpretation and we’ll get into it a little bit.
So I’ll start off by saying there’s a lot of people throughout time who thought that this was the time, the end of days, and it seems like every generation thinks they’re the last generation. And what are, what do you think about that? And like Doomsday Colts and people who try to predict the actual
[00:01:45] Wallace: dates only God knows.
And, and, and, and I’m not even sure the angels know. Uh, only the father knows what’s going to happen. And we’ve had all these people. . I mean, this started with, with the disciples. They really thought the Christ re return was, was going to be imminent. But you had the shakers back in the late 17 hundreds that was declaring Christ was going to return.
Even John Wesley got in the game. He said 1794 and 1836 Christ was going to return. Then 1844 came and it was the greatest disappointment. William Miller had several dates set in, in, uh, March 21st, 43 and March 21st, 1844. Of course, nothing happens, so he pushed it to April 18th of 44. Nothing happened. He pushed October 22nd.
Well, we’re still here. Joseph Smith wi with, uh, the Mormon Church in 1891. Then many people with Haley’s Comet. When that appeared back in 1910, the world was coming to an end. then the Jehovah’s Witnesses had dates set of 19 15, 19 25, 19 75, and the p uh, psychic, Jeanie Dixon was sure that Christ was going to return sometime in the 1980s.
Even. Uh, pat Robinson said 1982. And here lately, well, the late, uh, Harold camping, uh, 3 21, 20 11, Christ was going to return. Well, all of those are false prophecies. We’re still here. Christ is not returned. Um, so what I have to say to that is don’t get into to date setting. You’re just going to, uh, put egg on your face, really, and only the father.
[00:03:48] Jeremiah: Yeah. And it even says that, um, only God will know the time of the end. Yep. So I find it funny that these people try to predict the dates, predict the dates, and, um, it seems kind of humorous to me, it.
[00:04:05] Wallace: Well, it, I mean, it is, uh, uh, you can’t predict the dates. You can maybe take a general great big view with a, with a wide brush and say, well, maybe we’re, you know, we’re starting to, to enter that time.
You know, the, the general teaching today, uh, at least what I have been taught is the Bible is written for a 7,000 year time span. Uh, 6,000 years ago was the creation, and then you had the flood, then you had the birth of Christ, and then you’re going to have a thousand year millennium. And that, that all equates to the seven days or 7,000 years.
and we’re roughly 2000 years beyond, uh, uh, you know, the death of Christ. So that’s an one, one way of people thinking that we’re getting ready to, uh, have what’s called the, the tribulation period. Why do you
[00:05:01] Jeremiah: think, like, it seems like now more than ever, there seems to be more people saying that it’s the end of days.
Do you think it’s cuz of like, technology and how we are, uh, like trending as far as society and everything like that?
[00:05:15] Wallace: Possibly, but I would probably lean a little more on the apostacy, the following, uh, falling away. Uh, here locally. I’m in, I’m in Virginia. You go to, you go to churches, uh, the mainstream churches anyway.
And the attendance is nothing like what it was when I grew up in the seventies. Uh, uh, uh, the only churches that are doing well around here now, the non-denominational churches that, that have bands up front with guitars and drums, and it’s really putting on a show. I’m not saying they’re right or wrong, uh, but mainstream churches are slowly dying, and you’ve already seen that in, in Europe, which, you know, seems to be the precursor to what happens here.
I mean, many churches have been turned into bars even, but, uh, we seem to have kind of a falling away. Um, maybe, maybe, maybe we are getting close. It, it, it’s really hard to tell. It’s really hard to tell. . Yeah, I just
[00:06:20] Jeremiah: think, me personally, I think it’s cuz of how we’ve come, uh, with technology and everything.
And I guess there’s a saying that it will be like the days of noaa. Um, I think that was in Revelations and a lot of people attribute that to now because we’re tampering with genetics and we’re doing microchipping stuff and neuro implants. Now we have Elon Musk trying to put like chips in people’s brains to like help them with whatever
[00:06:50] Wallace: ails them.
Well, you know, technology is increasing at a very, very fast rate and I, I’m not sure technology has anything to do with, with, with the timing as, as much as maybe our destruction of the earth in one way or the other. Um, that’s just, that’s a personal belief I have. Uh, you know, you’re, you’re taught that.
There’s the, the tribulation period is, is split up. You have perhaps what’s tribulation that is brought forth by man, and then you have God’s wrath perhaps towards, towards the second half. But my, my personal belief is, is that, uh, you know, we will have signs and on the earth and in the earth and in the sky pillars of smoke pillars and whatnot.
And we’re seeing signs. Uh, let me give you an example, uh, uh, crop circles. I mentioned this in in my first book, crossing the Crevice. We always want an answer. And you know, back in the late seventies, earlys eighties, everybody was talking about crop circles. Uh, it was nationwide news. And then two fellas come along.
Uh, Dan and Dave, and they admit to making a few, and that was our answer. Now, you don’t talk about it anymore, it’s become taboo. But those in the know, including many scientists, uh, professors at universities know that real crop circles are still an enigma. Um, they’re made in a matter of seconds, . And, and could you imagine people out there with their mining lights and, and, uh, uh, helmets and, and trying to step on, uh, uh, the crops with snowshoes or something equivalent Exactly.
To make things, and this is done at night, supposedly. I mean, come on. No way. No way. Some, some of those crop circles are 700 and some feet in diameter, and there’s been reports of pilots flying across a field, turning around and flying back home 40 minutes later, and there’s a crop circle and playing daylight.
Another thing is that if men make the crop circles, you destroy the crops. A valid crop circle, even, even in canola, which has very delicate heads, are not destroyed. I mean, if men went into a field of canola and tried to make a crop circle, it would be mush, literally, but a legitimate crop circle, it doesn’t not destroy the crop at all.
So that’s, that’s a sign to me, that is a sign on the earth. And, and you have all these UFO sightings now, uh, even the governments come out in 2017 with, with, you know, the white tic tac. The same variety of crafts that I saw in 2016 was a white tic tac right over my head. But, but you have people seeing these now, uh, seems to be more frequently ever since the Adam bomb.
Uh, uh, we, we seem to have had more crafts in the sky, let’s put it that way. So that may be another sign, and yet another sign mentioned in the Bible is that love or grow cold, you know? Uh, and I think, I think we see that happening. Children will disobey their parents and, and on and on. And I, I think that’s happening to an extent.
So maybe we are getting close to that time and I’ll, I’ll
[00:10:39] Jeremiah: leave it at that. Yeah. It’s like we said, uh, speculation, but people like to line up the passages with. You know, what’s going on at the time. So, like I said, every generation seems to pick at it and see what’s going on. But yeah, I mean, it does seem kind of like we’re at that pinnacle of, um, I guess human ingenuity.
And I know we’re getting like more advanced as far as computers and stuff, but like, how much further can we go ?
[00:11:10] Wallace: Well, we, we, we can expose the fact that we can, you know, master gravity. You know, there’s a part of me that says we’ve already done that, but that’s on another, another level of physics that maybe the secret government has, but US commoners aren’t made aware of.
Uh, we, we can learn about magnetism and electricity, uh, in ways that, uh, are not known right now. Uh, you know, Einstein ha had the, uh, relativity. Theory back in around 1905, a connection between magnetism, gravity, and electricity. And, and there’s a lot to that we still don’t understand, at least on our level, it is very possible to maybe even switch dimensions, uh, uh, definitely fly faster or go faster than the speed of light by going through a wormhole.
There’s, there’s many, many things still in our future, and, and I believe we are spiritual beings that, that our home is out in space somewhere. I, I, I just don’t think that we’re the only ones here on this planet. Uh, and, and, uh, our God is just for us. Uh, I I don’t believe that. I believe that God is universal across the entire universe now.
So, and there’s life out there, multitudes of life out there, and we’ve been visited time after time, after time. And guess what? , we’re still here. All these crafts that have come since in, uh, uh, day one. I mean, we start with Roswell, it seems like in today’s society, but the crafts have been with us at least since Christ time and probably before, uh, look at the petro graphs and, and, and the glyphs and everything that we have been visited.
Every culture, every country around the world has been visited, and these visitors were perceived as gods because they had powers that were deemed to be miracles. So they were treated and venerated as gods. And it’s that way around the world and has been, and, and, and, uh, I’m, I’m a firm believer of that
[00:13:28] Jeremiah: now.
Yeah, there’s definitely accounts of what would seem like U f o or alien type of encounters, um, even in the Bible and stuff as like, what is it? Ezekiel’s Wheel. Mm-hmm. seems like a UFO encounter. Um, there’s all these old paintings from like Renaissance Times and before that look like they have UFOs in
[00:13:51] Wallace: them.
Definitely. I have some in my first book.
[00:13:54] Jeremiah: It’s like, why would they even put that in there? I mean, there’s gotta be a reason.
[00:13:58] Wallace: Think about it. Back, back then, you were concerned with heat and food and clothing and to stay alive. Why would you take time to put something that crazy on a rock or on a picture?
It makes no sense. Unless it was a seminal event in your life and you wanted people to know what you saw.
[00:14:20] Jeremiah: Oh, yeah, definitely. The mainstream scholars or whatever make me laugh because they try to just attribute everything to like, uh, they’re just, it’s just a spiritual burial site or something, or it’s just a burial site or, and, um, they don’t give enough credit, I think, to the ancient people.
And how in tune they were with, you know, the celestial and with the spiritual, and they just kind of chalk it up as like, oh, they were just like nomads, hunter gatherers, and this was just a spirit or a burial site, or a place where they gathered a trade goods
[00:14:59] Wallace: or whatever. Well, ever since my sighting, you know, it, it caused me to go back and look completely through the Bible in a different lens.
And I’ve realized the crafts are in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. I mean, I know our topic is revelation, but in revelation for this, John sees this door open in heaven. What if that’s a literal door? And I believe it is now literal because he is called up into the spirit, not called up in spirit.
But in every translation I have, he is called up into the spirit. Come to find out that there were only about 7,500 he Hebrew words versus 170,000 English words. Many words had multiple meanings. And, and Spirit is one of those words that had multiple meanings. Zeph and I, uh, excuse me. Zacharia basically says that chariots are spirits and those chariots of fire are crafts.
So bingo, I believe John was called up into a craft or what you may term A a U f O and flown around the heavens. And, you know, we get a description of, of what he saw with the constellation and with, uh, you know, the birth pains and whatnot. And that’s, that’s what I honestly believe now.
[00:16:31] Jeremiah: Yeah, I think it’s also, um, has to do with like the book of Enoch and stuff is like he got taken up.
I think it says something about like, he never like died and he got taken up with God. And also the whole thing about him being taken to the heavens and shown by all these different angels, like different, uh, things that we do now, like arts, uh, masonry, all that, like science, stuff like that. I mean, that’s pretty much a, you know, alien account.
[00:17:06] Wallace: And he was told to write everything down and apparently he did. And it was accepted by the early church, including Iranians and Origin and Clement of Alexandria. And the, and the list went on. But cause the book of Enoch referred to the Messiah, it made the Jews unhappy and it got ax. And that’s sad because it’s still referenced in the book of Jude.
And Paul in Corinthians Corinthians says he knew someone who went to the third heaven and not someone could very well have been Paul, but that third heaven I have been taught as up above the stratosphere, up, up above where the birds fly. But a lot of preachers have not read Enoch. If you read Enoch, you know, that’s where we all go, is to the third level of heaven.
And that’s exactly what Paul has mentioned. So I believe the, all the apostles were certainly aware of the book of Enoch. And even today the Orthodox Church and Ethiopia still has the Boca Enoch, you know, in its Bible. So it’s out there, you just gotta study it, you know, on your own to to get a grasp. And it’s certainly helped supply a foundation for a lot of topics in the entire Bible without doubt.
[00:18:32] Jeremiah: it’s always crazy to me to think that there are multiple books that were like excluded from the Bible, and you gotta wonder why were they excluded? Are they trying to keep something from us, some knowledge from us? Are they, you know, it’s just, uh, strange, especially with the book of Enoch, because like you said, it’s mentioned in the regular Bible, but why was it
[00:18:54] Wallace: left out?
Well, there’s lot, there’s multiple books mentioned in the regular Bible that are left out. Uh, Joshua comes to mind. It’s, it’s mentioned twice, uh, uh, multiple other books. I mean, the assumption of Moses is referred to you. You have to understand, and, and I, I understand, and maybe our listeners can understand that the Bible we have today is not the Bible that Jerome, you know, initially, you know, constructed back around 400 ad.
The number of books have changed. They’re, they’re still changing. And what’s inside has changed and it’s still changing today. I mean, you’ve probably heard of replacement theology. If you live in Denmark, you won’t even really see the word Israel anymore in the Bible cause it’s been replaced by the church.
Cause Israel is no longer the Israel it used to be. So, so these things change. Uh, the APOC for used to be in the Bible. It’s not now. And if you know the APOC for you, you really get a better understanding that it’s okay to pray for the dead. And perhaps purgatory really exist. But you know that that’s, that’s not in there now.
So, uh, what we have is what we have. So
[00:20:15] Jeremiah: with talks about the Bible, What, for anyone who might not know what is going on with the Book of Revelations and why is it always tied into when people talk about end times’
[00:20:29] Wallace: prophecy? Well, you can’t, you can’t speak specifically on the Book of Revelation when it comes to end prophecy without understanding the Mount olive dis discourse, which is Matthew 24 as mentioned again in Luke and mentioned again in Mark and a couple chapters in Daniel, which really sets the stage for all this.
But Revelation is typically looked at because it’s the last book in the Bible, and it leaves us feeling really good with God, you know, wiping the tears from our face and, and the sense that we’re going to be living in eternity, uh, with him. You know, you have to, you, there’s so many things you have to decipher for yourself, uh, to know.
You know, is the book of Revelation all in the future? Has some of it already happened? Uh, do you believe in partial fulfillment? Do you believe in dispense dispensation? I have a hard time with that word. Uh, is everything still in the future? Or, you know, has a lot of it already happened? It was se was, uh, Nero, the 6 66.
I mean, there’s a lot of people out there that would say that. Uh, you know, he was, uh, uh, there’s, there’s so many questions you really gotta ask. First one. One is, is are you saved? Is it once saved? Always saved. , can you be erased? I mean, you know, if you’re Southern Baptist, you probably believe in once saved, always saved.
That’s that’s what you’re taught. And there’s biblical references for that. If you’re a Methodist, you may not believe that because there’s also biblical references that you’re not once saved, always saved. Um, do you believe you’re going through the tribulation? And if so, where do you cut it off? Uh, are you gonna bypass everything?
Are you gonna go through mid tribulation or are you going to go up to God’s wrath or, or are you going to make it to the end? Everybody who makes it to the end’s going to be saved anyway. Uh, another question you have to tackle, you know, is, is the church spiritual Israel? Uh, you’ve got to, you’ve got to decipher that for yourself.
And does the temple have to be built before Christ returns? I used to think that it did. Now. I don’t think it has to. And, and I’ll, I’ll go ahead and say that’s a new understanding for me from Ezekiel 48, uh, uh, 35, I think, uh, that it makes it sound like the temple’s already in place when Jesus comes back, or, or that, that’s kind of what I’m getting at.
You want, you might wanna also consider, so for
[00:23:24] Jeremiah: anyone who doesn’t know, there’s a, there’s something in there that, for the anti prophecy revelations and stuff, that the temple is supposed to be rebuilt in Jerusalem and then the anti-Christ figure is supposed to sit on a throne there. Is that how
[00:23:41] Wallace: it is?
Correct. Well, that, that’s what we’re taught. I mean, there’s a mainstream line of events and that that’s what we’re taught. But, uh, if you read Ezekiel 48, 35 and perhaps 47 1. Eight and nine, you may realize that that really the temple does not need to be, uh, built. I’m gonna leave that up to the, our, our, our watchers.
But, uh, there’s other questions too. I mean, is America, is America even mentioned in prophecy? I, there again, I used to think that it’s not now. I’ve changed my opinion on that a, a large extent. I, I believe we are referenced and it, it’s not real pretty, you know, it was the dragon, the papacy, uh, uh, the Roman Jack Catholic Church.
You’ve got to decide that for yourself. A lot of the early church fathers thought, and this includes John Calvin and John Wesley, that it was and is, and then there’s the question, the John that received the revelation, there was one revelation and John received it. Is that the same John who wrote the book of John?
Is that the Apostle John? We’ve had debates over that. And for our listeners now that it’s pretty well decided, not totally, but pretty well decided that John one, John two, John three, are not written by the same John that wrote the book of John. And I went a long time thinking that John wrote five books.
Uh, John, John won, John two, John three in Revelation. That’s not necessarily the case either. So when you get to grips with all that, then you’re ready to dive in. And the book of Revelation starts with basically the seven churches. And here again, you’ve got a decision to make where these churches just picked out randomly.
They’re all in Asia Minor where they picked out because they’re on a, a trading routes, and they were well populated. Where they picked out to represent seven different types of churches that could still be, you know, applicable today? Or is there a timeline involved? Uh, uh, which I kind of fall in line with now, meaning that perhaps we’re in the last church age, the Church of Leo Desia.
I mean, you can draw a line with Philadelphia, then ending up with Leo Desia with uh, uh, these churches. And there’s, there’s a pretty good following, following of scholars that, that, you know, go in, go hand in hand with that. So, um, that’s where we’ll start. And then if you’re a pret Tribulational rapture fella, you’ll probably realize the churches aren’t mentioned again after those first several chapters, and that’s one of the points they make.
Uh, you, the churches are out of the way. Everything else is pertaining to. , uh, the people left on Earth from, you know, basically mid chapter four up to the end. That’s if you fall into the Pret Tribulation rapture
[00:26:58] Jeremiah: group. So for anyone listening that doesn’t know, what is the tribulation and the rapture and all that?
[00:27:06] Wallace: Well, generally the, in today’s mainstream teaching, the Tribulational period is generally considered to be seven years. And based upon Daniel, it’s split up to really be halves. Three and a half, and three and a half with the first half, just generally considered to be the tribulation period, the second half, the great tribulation period.
So it’s basically a period of seven years and, uh, things happen throughout this seven year time span. God’s wrath is part of the great tribulation and at the end of the great tribulation, , supposedly we have, uh, uh, the Battle of Armageddon, then we have the second coming, and then we, you know, have the re first resurrection.
Then we get into what’s called the millennium, which is the thousand years of peace reigning with Christ here on Earth. And, uh, that’s the general perception, uh, uh, that you have the, what I said initially, the 6,000 years of life, starting with Adam and Eve and the flood, and then 2000 years the birth of Christ.
And then you have this thousand year millennium. So this seven year tribulation period is right before the millennium. That that’s the, the mainstream take on that right now.
[00:28:29] Jeremiah: And then what’s the, uh, rapture
[00:28:31] Wallace: part of it? Well, that’s a loaded question. Many lines of thought.
[00:28:38] Jeremiah: I know there’s different thought processes on when it’s gonna happen.
Oh yeah, you can, but what’s. But what is the actual rapture in case anyone doesn’t
[00:28:45] Wallace: know? Well, first of all, rapture was only mentioned in the Latin vulgate. Rapture is like the word trinity. You don’t find it in today’s Bible, but generally the word in its purest form means to be snatched up or to be removed, or to be caught up.
And that’s mentioned, uh, uh, by Paul. Uh, in first, let’s, let’s talk about First Thessalonians real fast, cause that that’s really where this goes. Okay. I’m in First Thessalonians four 15 through 18. For this, we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not proceed.
Those who have fallen asleep for the Lord himself from heaven with a shout. We’ll descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the arch angel and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And we will always be with the Lord. So this caught up. I is generally what’s construed as the rapture. The question is when does it occur? A lot of people in mainstream religion today seem to think that they’re kept out of the hour of testing. Uh, and they’re viewing the tribulation as that hour of testing based upon some scripture.
So a lot of people, and this is kind of sort of what is a feel good philosophy, think that once you accept Christ, Once you’re born again, once you have that seal of redemption that’s mentioned in Ephesians that, that you’re going to be kept from that hour of testing because you belong to the church.
Hello Kitty. Yeah. Arched you belong to the Church of Philadelphia. ,
[00:30:50] Jeremiah: Archimedes wanted to stop
[00:30:52] Wallace: by. And, uh, the Church of Philadelphia is kept from that hour of testing. There’s others that believe that that man creates the, the first part of the tribulation, that God really has nothing to do with it. So there are mid Tribulational people, there are pre wrath people, there are post tribulational people.
And there, there’s, I’ve got papers here on the mall. There, there’s, you know, you can make a good point for every one of them. Um, me personally, I, I. Tend to fall in with a book written by Martin Rosenthal, which is this book right here called The Pre Wrath Rapture of the Church. Um, it makes a lot of sense to me.
It resonates with
[00:31:45] Jeremiah: me. So that would be towards the end of the tribulation?
[00:31:49] Wallace: It’s towards the end, yeah. Probably before the sixth Seal. Right before the sixth Seal. You have the trumpets and the seal and the bowls and all that in Revelation. And, and a lot of it, you know, it can really be construed as being man, and then a lot of it at the end is definitely God.
And, you know, does you wonder is, is God punishing us for destroying his creation? Uh, that certainly goes through my mind. But, um, in any, We all live spiritually. We all live eternally. To be outside the body is to be with God. This is all, you know, biblical. And, and I believe that what this is referring to is a time near the end that, uh, God will be close to us.
Uh, Jesus will be close to us and we will intermingle, uh, uh, with him. And, uh, that time could very well be in years of my future. I don’t know whether it’s, you know, days, weeks, months, years. But, uh, if you, again, if you look at the big brush and the way things are shaping up, we, we could very well be getting close to that time.
[00:33:07] Jeremiah: So you mentioned the seals and the bowls. What’s that all about?
[00:33:10] Wallace: Well, if you go, if you go through the book of Revelation, uh, there’s, there’s. Seven trumpets there. There’s the bowls, the seals. Everyone is a, a pronouncement. Uh, we don’t have time to get into this specifically, but just a general, nothing good really comes out of it.
Uh, uh, is going to be sores on people’s bodies. The earth’s going to heat up. Men’s hearts are going to fail them. There’ll be signs in the sky. Um, um, Cher Noble or Wormwood, wormwood actually equates to Cher Noble will fall from the sky. It’ll be a terrible, it’ll have a tail. Uh, the oceans will turn into blood.
So, so many of the people will die. So many of the forest will burn. Many of the fish in the sea will die. All this is happening. The earth is going to wobble. The earth is going to reel to and fro. Things are going to happen. And, uh, it could very well be monetary, uh, as well. And that, that’s what I view it, uh, as, um, you know, we’re, we’re, you might hear that there’s going to be a one world currency and a one world government.
That’s, that seems to be, uh, one of the things that comes out of this. And, you know, you wonder, you wonder where China and Russia are going to, to, uh, play out in, in this scenario. They seem to be getting a little bit closer to one another now than, than they were in the past. And that’s really from our own doing here in this country.
I noticed today that, uh, Russia and China have just done a deal for, you know, Russian oil and, um, you can make a case that the Russian ruble is going to be worth nothing and they’re going to put pressure on another country to come up with. Some type of a worldwide currency. I can see that happening. And it could very well happen overnight.
Right now, we, we have been blessed by the American dollar. Everything’s traded in American dollars, uh, specifically oil. And, uh, we’re leveled to wake up one day and the American dollar not be the, uh, currency of choice anymore for this world. And that, that, that’s when it will really hit the fan here in this
[00:35:40] Jeremiah: country.
Oh yeah, for sure. Um, also, we’re pretty much in debt with China anyway, so , if they wanted to pull the plug, they probably could.
[00:35:50] Wallace: Everybody’s in debt. Yeah, everyone’s in debt. The whole world is, we’re in debt. China’s in debt, Russia’s and everybody, the whole world’s in debt and it could very well be a whole resetting with, with a cryptocurrency of some.
Yeah. I wonder
[00:36:03] Jeremiah: if like they’re going to do a global collapse type of deal and then like you said, come out with some type of, that would seem plausible to come out with the one world currency. If all the countries just are just done like economically and there’s just a global collapse, then they would have to rebuild and they could rebuild with a standard for everybody.
[00:36:31] Wallace: Well, that, that could very well happen. And, and you know, in the book of Revelation there’s talk of tidal waves and an earthquake like the Earth has never experienced before. Could you imagine with the countries in, in the financial distress they’re in now, if everything was, was partially destroyed or totally destroyed, what kind of financial mess?
I mean, there’s not enough money printed. , it would be everyone for him or herself to try to get things put back together, uh, uh, that, that could be the onset of some type of a worldwide currency or worldwide government. And then, then you also, uh, will learn of the beast in the book of Revelation. Uh, a couple lines of thought on that.
An angel in Daniel actually says The Beast is a nation. But if you read Revelation concerning the 6 66, you might get an inclination that the Beast or a Beast is actually a man. But I’m going to, I’m going to fall in line that when you read Beast in the Book of Revelation, it’s really referring to a nation there.
There again that plays in into America is America mentioned. And I believe now that that we are mentioned, um, . If you have a minute, I’ll, I’ll run down a little list here of things and, and see if any of it clicks. Yeah, go ahead and maybe connect a few dots that maybe this is pertaining to us. In Revelation 1311 at pinpoints Another beast that another beast is us, I believe.
And of course, in prophecy, Daniel, uh, 7 23. An angel specifically says that a beast represents a great nation. This beast comes out of the earth or a wilderness area where all the other beast come out of the sea. We were a wilderness area. We were not very heavily populated. Uh, when we were created it, it starts out young like a lamb.
That’s us. It is lamb like with Christian characteristics. It has horns, but no crowns. In other words, this, this beast or nation does not have a kingship, but it has horns, two horns, two horns as in the house of representative and perhaps as in the Senate. That’s our leadership. So there’s, it could also mean separation of church and state, which is, uh, you know, in our constitution, and that’s what we’re founded on.
So you have to make that decision on what the two horns are. Um, it achieves superstar, uh, superpower status near the end of time. We are basically the only superpower on the earth, but that is slowly changing. Uh, you can make the case now that, uh, China is right up there with us. Uh, it influences the world economy.
It eventually rejects its own fundamental pre principles. And it finally speaks like a dragon. And unfortunately, it enforces the mark of the beast. The first beast creates the mark, and this second beast enforces the mark. And this mark is a mark that you’ll receive either on your forehead or right hand.
And if you’ve seen some of the former movies out there that have been around, they get confused and say, it’s your left hand. It, it looks right on my screen, but, uh, let’s pretend that’s my right hand. It’s really on in your right hand, on your right hand, or on your forehead in order for anybody to buy or sell.
And that plays right into hand with some type of a one world currency. And if you don’t subscribe to that currency, then you may not be able to buy or sell. There’s also been talk out there that the Beast is really a super computer either in Belgium or Luxembourg. And that that’s nonsense. Cause that that doesn’t exist.
So the beast is really referring to a nation and you’ll have to connect the dots. Whether that nation is, is, you know, really us.
[00:40:59] Jeremiah: Yeah, I know about the market beast, um, that’s talked about a lot for the end times, prophecies and stuff is that mark that you’ll have to get and you can’t buy or sell or trade or anything with it.
And it could tie in, like you said, to that global currency, which could be a type of like crypto. Mm-hmm. and it could be like a microchip. And a lot of people are saying that, um, they feel like we’re in that time because the fact that we have these microchip microchips and we can. Easily implant someone on their forehead or hand if, if need be.
[00:41:39] Wallace: That’s happening to an extent. Now, the, I mean, we’re able to put those little chips under, under your skin or in your wrist, uh, now, and there’s card readers now that you just pass your card in front of, and the money’s taken right out of your account. I mean, we’re, we’re basically a cashless society now, which I’m not sure That’s good.
Uh, a lot of the younger generation, you know, that I’m not sure they value the dollar. Uh uh, it’s a cashless society now. They just see numbers in an account. Yeah.
[00:42:12] Jeremiah: And my wife and I always talk about that as like, um, and we talk about other things too, as far as AI is concerned and everything going digital.
It’s like how easy it would be for them to just. Take all your money or to stop your account or just change the numbers in there or whatever, and like you don’t really have control anymore. Whereas before when you had cash, you had the cash on you and or like, obviously there were still banks, but you have a lot less control now cuz if they want to freeze your accounts, they can easily do so if they want to or garnish your wages or whatever.
[00:42:52] Wallace: No, it, it’s a racket. If, let, let, let’s say you, you have a credit card and, and you get zero balance transfer checks. So you, you write the checks and, and pay off a bunch of people or even write one to yourself to buy a tv. Then all of a sudden, next month your credit score goes from seven 50 down to 6 47.
I mean, because you’ve used too much of your available credit, so you’ve stabbed yourself in the foot. I mean, it makes no sense. But, uh, yeah, things were a lot more simpler Back before Visa was created by Bank of America, so things, you, you even had the money, you paid for it and, and you know that, that, that was it.
But it’s not that way anymore. You, you see things you want to buy and if you have that credit card in your pocket, you find a reason you need that item. .
[00:43:48] Jeremiah: Yeah. And it’s also an easier way to track people, is track your spending, make sure you’re not purchasing the wrong things. Like if we’re talking about this global government and this end time stuff, it’s like at a point they can be like, oh, Joe’s buying a bunch of, uh, food to stock up.
We gotta go take care of that. . Um, it’s just an easy way to track. Whereas cash, they can’t, they can’t find it. Guns,
[00:44:15] Wallace: ammo, gold, silver. Yep, yep, yep. I mean, they can, they can track you. It’s all on paper. Everything you buy on Amazon’s always, always in archives. You can’t get rid of it. It cannot be deleted. You can get a new account, but it’s still going to be on somebody’s computer somewhere.
Yeah. So then
[00:44:35] Jeremiah: once all the tribulation that all the bad stuff happens, I know there’s like gonna be all the stuff you talked about and like disease, I’m sure, and, um, then you have the battle of Armageddon. What’s that going to entail?
[00:44:48] Wallace: Well, there’s this line of thought that, uh, everyone’s going to come against Jerusalem and there again, you’ve got to decide for yourself, our listeners, is, is all this really pertaining to Jerusalem and the Middle East area, or is it worldwide?
So there’s, there’s segments in my philosophy that says it’s both there. There’s phrases that say it’s worldwide, and a lot of this just pertains to Israel, but supposedly at the end time, nations will be coming to fight against Israel in the fields of mego. I’ve been there, by the way. Uh, uh, it’s very rich volcanic dirt.
Uh, but God’s going to come and help Israel and all these armies will be destroyed. So that, that’s the general gist of, of the battle of Armageddon. And it does happen right at, right at the very end
[00:45:44] Jeremiah: time. And that’s, um, you always hear about the rider on the white horse that’s supposed to be like Jesus coming back to fight, or,
[00:45:53] Wallace: well, you have, you, you do have the four horses.
Uh, uh, I question whether they’re really horses. Um, that’s open for interpretation. But that, that’s really kind of, sort of the start. Of, of, of, of the bad things that are happening, uh, death and famine and disease and that type thing. Uh, yeah, it’s, it’s not good. But, but the strange thing is that there’s this phrase that goes like this, those who make it to the end are the same, shall be saved.
So you make it all the way to the end, you’re going to be saved anyway. And there’s something else I want to throw out. Jeremiah, I’ve, I’ve been to many, many prophecies studies by a plethora of different preachers from all walks of life. And I’ve heard it mentioned that Christ comes back multiple times.
He comes back in the clouds, he comes back literally on, on, uh, on foot and steps on the Mount of Olives, and it cracks open. But I want our listeners and watchers to know that it’s mentioned 17 times in the New Testament. that Christ will come back and it’s always a singular event. And when does he come back?
It’s at the end, not at the beginning, not at the middle, but at the end he comes back one time. It’s a singular event. He’ll have thousands of, upon thousands of his angels, uh, with him, and he’ll be seen up in the clouds, in the sky from the east to the west. And that’s the day that we know our, our redemption, uh, is near.
If you make it to that point, you’re going to be saved. And, and my ancient aliens belief structure now, we will all be picked up, who’s left and we, we will be, uh, transported to another planet. A planet, and this is mentioned in the Bible where God will be the light and there’s no oceans, uh uh. So, and you’ll have a whole new expansive heaven above you.
It’ll be a whole new heaven. So I see us being moved when this earth is no longer livable, that it’s been completely ruined. Now, whether that means there’s atomic warfare, I don’t know, I’m gonna leave that up to, you know, everybody out there. But, uh, it’s going to get, it’s going to get bad. You don’t want to be here.
But, uh, there again, there are phrases that, that say that, that we are to be here, that we’re in a terrible testing place, and we’ll be, you know, tested by fire and refined by fire. So we’ll just have to see. And then
[00:48:47] Jeremiah: there’s actually something after Armageddon, right? The like final judgment. .
[00:48:53] Wallace: Well, there’s, there’s the great white throne judgment, uh, uh, where, uh, supposedly it’s not supposedly, let’s, let’s be frank.
It’s is Jesus puts the lambs and the goats on one side. Uh, the lamb. I believe it’s the goats on the left side and the lambs on the right. I’m going by memory and that I’ve gotten to the point now where I’ve forgotten more than I can remember. I’m not sure where that line was, but it’s a few years back.
But, uh, you know that, that’s, that’s where, what will be seg segregated out lambs and goats, one on one side and one on the other. And then there’s this new, new heaven and new earth and, and where we will be walking on the streets of gold. Now, whether or not that’s literal or allegory, allegorical, I’ll have to let you know.
Everybody decide for themselves and that that’s where we’re taught. We’ll be living with God. He’ll supply our light. We won’t need any, any sun, uh, he’ll wipe the tears from our eyes. And we found that comforting, uh, a lot of times for people that are grieving cause that is in our future. One other thing I want to throw out is that we are assured, uh, you know, of a true word of prophecy from second Peter.
The prophecy is true. It’s trying to figure it out. , uh, before it happens is, is the challenge. It’s the light easier after it’s happened, you know, the, uh, the dream that Daniel had, uh, uh, you know, with, with, uh, ended up being Persia and, and b Bologna and Greece and Rome and whatnot. We can figure that out now because that’s happened already.
But stuff that has yet to happen is a challenge and, and, and men of Great resolve and, and. and you know, a lot smarter than I am. There’ve been all the divinity schools. They still have mega differences of opinion on how the all this is going to play out. So I, I told you prior to our podcast, anybody who tells you they have the answer, and this is the way it’s going to happen, run away.
Don’t walk because, cause nobody knows except the father, how all this is going to play out. Uh, we just know it’s going to happen. I, I’m convinced of that. And, and, and we, we’ve got a few little inklings that there’ll be signs in the heaven and the earth and whatnot that, uh, that, that as a precursor and that love will go cold or waxing, I believe is used in some of the Bibles and, uh, you know, times will get challenging and you can make a case now that, that.
as I said, depending with a big brush, that it could very well be that we’re heading in that direction.
[00:51:52] Jeremiah: Yeah, no one really knows. And it does say something about, um, like false profits and stuff. So just, uh, be wary of anyone who’s trying to like, select dates or times or trying to preach to you about they know everything, uh, like Wallace said, is you might want to run from that person.
[00:52:20] Wallace: Very well said.
[00:52:23] Jeremiah: So how do you think, um, uh, how do you think the aliens whole alien phenomena, ties phenomenon, ties into biblical stuff? Because I feel like it’s all related somehow. Um, like are they the watcher angels? Some people say they’re the demons. Um, I, I don’t know for sure.
[00:52:43] Wallace: I, boy, you’re talking about Genesis six.
That, that, that’s, that’s, that’s challenging. That’s one of the most challenging verses in the entire Bible. Different translations go different ways in, in who the watchers, who the fallen sons of God are. Here’s another little nitpick I want to throw in before I finish on that topic. Notice I said, sons, plural of God.
Were all sons and children, daughters of God, and yet I, I went to a church the other day where the Apostles Creed was read where I said, Jesus Christ, the only son of God. Well, that’s crazy. That’s not even biblical. I mean, Galatians, Hebrews, Roman, we’re all sons and children of God. The question really is who is God?
Is God the God of the Old Testament? , Yahweh, Jehovah, or is God something different? Well, for me, I used to believe everything. I was taught everything in the Bible. The Bible, God’s inspired word, every word of it. You know, if you don’t believe it, you need to question your salvation. You’re going to hell. The Earth is exactly 6,000 years old, on and on and on.
I’ve come to realize now that, that this God in the Bible really needs to be looked at the different lens because in, in the beginning of Genesis, the word us is used and the word our our o u r is used and you realize that the word elo himm has been taken out. ELO Himm was in the Hebrew text over 2,500 times.
Elo Himm is plural, meaning God’s male and female, and there were female gods back then as. The queen of heaven. She was venerated, uh, even in the temple. We know this for a fact now, but it was a one man, one male, one God scenario that the church in originally wanted to put together with its male canonist.
If you were a female back then, you were a second citizen, second class citizen. I mean, females weren’t even granted the, the, uh, chance to vote until the 1920s here in this country. I mean, things have changed and, and this is the way it is with, with virtually all truth and all religion. It morphs over time.
Ashra was taken out of the Bible because she a female God. But now in the NIV V, which many consider to be the most exact translation, she’s mentioned 40 times now, not mentioned at all in King James Jehovah’s mentioned seven times in the King James. . But in all these later translations, now Jehovah is not mentioned at all.
So we go back to who is God Is, is God the omni? Everything you would like to think you’ve been taught? Well, this omni everything God in the Old Testament walks, he murders, he kills, he changes his mind. He flies around in He craft and oos and awes the people to gain respect and to, you know, to garner their attention and, and, and tries to force, uh, uh, the beliefs on them by shock and awe.
I have a problem with that. Uh, my God is much bigger than that. My God lives spiritually, uh, is genderless like each of us are. That’s why there’s no marriage in heaven when we’re in our spiritual bodies. There is no male and no female. and, and, and he’s, he’s perpetuates the love out everywhere and, and I really believe that’s our purpose for existence is to learn how to love on this planet.
Another thing is these gods came down. They always come down. I think that’s mentioned some 19 times. If a God is omni, everything, how do you go down? They’re supposed to already be there. How do you go down and why do they have to go down? They come down for Sodom and Gamar. Come down for the Tower of Babbel.
They come down, God, my God doesn’t have to come down. He’s already here. Already knows what’s going on. He thinks it, and it happens. So you have, I I, I’ll have a different opinion now in these sons of God, in Genesis six who came down, uh, I believe we’re all brothers and sisters. , but they, they left their spiritual realm.
They came here, they were still part spirit. They intermingled with our females and we got giants as a result. These fallen angels, if you want to call them that, most people think that as, as being nephem are actually depicted in the book of Enoch. Well, everybody goes to the third heaven like we talked about previously.
Guess who’s on the second level of heaven? The gregori and the gregori are those fallen angels. The angels who left their abode mentioned in Jude, and the same angels who left their abode, I believe that’s referring to in Genesis six. So, We have all these giants. Now. Giants did exist. They’ve been found around the world actually.
And you have giants that have existed in a lot, lot of cultures in in Levon area, especially Greece. So they existed and many of them are venerated like Zeus or Apollo. And, and you wonder what happened to them all. Uh, all we have are are, you know, the artifacts that have been found, but, uh, I believe they’ve all been killed or weeded out.
It took a lot to feed one . A lot of them were, were, you know, quite, quite tall. And, uh, you wonder what happened. And we still get a myth, uh, dimension of the word watchers in, in Corinthians based upon that Genesis chapter six. Uh, you know, a female is not supposed to pray unless they have a veil over their head.
And that veil is to keep the watchers from seeing how pretty they are. . So we’re always being watched. I mean, there’s watchers in the sky. Now, I, I make mention of this, of course, in my book, we just see a very small percentage of the light spectrum. These crafts have always been up there, and they’re always up there.
Now, the craft I saw, I only got to see for about three seconds, and then I believe that it cloaked, uh, that’s, that’s personal belief after a lot of thought. If it was still there, I just couldn’t see it. And again, that’s biblical based on Elijah, not Elijah, but Elijah, uh, in Second Kings, there were mentioned of cloaked crafts that his servant could not see until he had him open his eyes through the help of God.
And when he opened his eyes, the, the mountains and hills were full of chariots of fire. The chariots of fire mentioned in the Old Testament are nothing but crafts. I better stop before I get on a rampage. .
[01:00:22] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’ll have to have you back on so we can talk about more of the ancient alien stuff and , uh, the, the biblical tie-ins and all that stuff, because I like that stuff too.
[01:00:33] Wallace: Uh, that, um, I’m, I can, I can talk for hours on that. Let, let me tell you, um, uh, there’s been several good books and there’s, there’s even a really good book in process, um, being written right now. I’m aware of. It’s not ready to be published yet, but, uh, there’s some good books out there and there’s some more good books come coming forth on that UFOs in the Bible.
[01:00:58] Jeremiah: So if anyone wants to get ahold of your book or get ahold of you, how can they go about doing?
[01:01:03] Wallace: So? Both my books are available on Amazon. Uh, you can, uh, type in my name, w Wallace Wagner Jr. And they’ll come up. But the best way is to go to my website, which is within grasp. G R a s p within grasp one word.net and you’ll see a link to take you to Amazon there.
And you’ll also get a description of, uh, both of my books. Uh, the first one, crossing the Crevice has a lot of the pictures in it. It was originally done in full color, eight and a half by 11. Uh, uh, I also made a grade scale available. Uh, it’s an eight by 10, excuse me. And it’s a lot, you know, less expensive than the color I learned real fast.
Once you put one color picture in a book, the whole book automatically becomes color. Whether you only have one picture or a hundred pictures. Um, the second book within Grasp just came out about six weeks ago. It’s a lot more spiritual, basically both books until my epiphany of, uh, the change and my belief structure and how that’s happened since my U f O sighting in September of 2016.
I’m a lot more spiritual now and a lot less, uh, religious. And I’ll just let that percolate , uh, uh, with our
[01:02:23] Jeremiah: watchers. Yeah, I’m, I’m the same exact way. I’m more spiritual than actual religious, but I do like to talk about, you know, biblical texts because I think it’s important. I think, um,
[01:02:38] Wallace: there is, well, the Bible is the foundation for many, many people.
Uh, uh, it’s a good foundation. It’s probably the best book ever written, but I don’t hold it now quite as in high esteem as I used to because I have done a lot of early church study in early bible study and, uh, followed the Bible from its inception all the way through to today. And so you probably don’t want me to.
You know, all my beliefs on that right now, . But, uh, let, let’s just say that, that, uh, it’s probably the best book ever written and it has been a common thread to hold society together for. So from that standpoint, it, you know, it is quite valuable. Oh
[01:03:23] Jeremiah: yeah, definitely. There is definitely stuff to take from it and um, like you said, it has kept us kind of in line, so to speak, instead of just, you know, running around doing whatever we want to do, killing everybody, killing each other, doing whatever.
So, um, yeah. Thank you for coming on and speaking with us and You’re very welcome. Hopefully we’ll have you back on so we can talk, talk more about aliens and, uh, the biblical tie-ins and all that stuff.
[01:03:54] Wallace: Would love it. You have my email?
[01:03:57] Jeremiah: Yes, I do. And uh, yeah. Thank you for coming on. It was great.
[01:04:02] Wallace: Enjoyed it, Jeremiah.
Thank you very much.