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Odd and Untold
[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow Terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina Mountains. Welcome to the What If They’re Wrong podcast. The podcast that wants you to question everything. Your reality is about to be shattered.
Hello and welcome to the What If the Wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. My name is Jeremiah, I’m your host and I’m joined today by Jason from Oden Untold Podcast. And we’re gonna be talking about all the weird oan untold fringe stuff. Which we cover on the show pretty regularly, so it will fit right in.
So I’ll introduce him now. Hello Jason.
[00:00:58] Jason: Hey Jeremiah, how you doing? Thanks for having me on, man.
[00:01:00] Jeremiah: I’m good. How are you? Pretty
[00:01:02] Jason: good hanging in there today, man. , that’s all we can do. ? Yes. Yes. .
[00:01:07] Jeremiah: So the basic here is the odd and untold, um, pretty self-explanatory. But what made you set out to make this podcast?
[00:01:17] Jason: Uh, so this is, uh, a long story.
I’ll try to keep it fairly short. I had, uh, a blog, a paranormal blog that I had started back in 2010 called The Occult Section. And we started off cuz I, I have a paranormal investigative group. So we were doing paranormal investigations and just wanted to sort of bring attention. Because at that time, uh, the ghost hunting thing had kind of blown up.
He had ghost hunters on tv, ghost adventures. Just that stuff was really coming out. And so a lot of our articles started off by a. Talking about these stories in the news and kind of debunking them and poking holes in them. Kind of pointing out some of the silliness. Um, cuz you’d get photos and it would be a photo of nothing. But you know, a red circle around it.
Or, um, stories about ghost hunters, you know, mainly kids and their trespassing at old sanitariums. Or hospitals or whatever. . So the blog sort of started out that way. Uh, then I branched out more into, uh, book reviews and movie reviews. And so it was really covering all things paranormal. It kind of had a tongue in cheek twist to it.
You know, we were kind of poking fun of it. But here we are as ghost hunters as well, making fun of the ghost hunting industry, if, if you will. So that was going for a while. It was very successful About two years ago, a few different things happened to, to kinda affect the blog. Google changed their algorithms, uh, and because I was basically taking news stories. And, kind of putting them into my blog post and, and kind of commenting around them. Google thought that was plagiarism.
They claim it was plagiarism, even though I gave credit to the authors and the source material and everything. So that kind of killed my rankings a little bit. I also had a plugin on my WordPress site that n no indexed all my content. So basically removed it all from Google without my knowing. So it was all gone.
and I had spent the better part of a year trying to, uh. Reformat my old article, a lot of work, you know. Trying to reform my, my old articles and resubmit things to the Google search engines. And I was getting frustrated and my wife said, you know, there’s a couple things wrong here. Um, one, the occult section is just not showing up at work for her, for me, for other people.
And she said, maybe the, maybe need like a name change. Because OC cult was being blocked by schools. She worked at a university, so schools and, and government agencies, they were just blocking the word OC cult. And I tested it. I had friends test it, and they’re like, yeah, we can’t. You know, we go to Google your site and it’s blocked.
So how many people are trying to click on one of my links and just not seeing it? And you know, you know how the internet is, if you can’t access it immediately, you move on. You’re not going to really try to find this content. And she also said, why don’t you move away from blogging? You know, cuz uh, the things these days are are Instagram and TikTok and reels and, and YouTube videos.
And she said, you know, you gotta kind of change with the times. I was reluctant , but, uh, said, yeah, you know, may maybe I do need just a change, change of pace. So, started working on a new name and. And I had had an idea for a book. Of, just cuz I know a lot of people who have stories. Uh, paranormal stories or just weird stories.
A lot of people won’t tell you their stories until they know that you kind of are accepting of this. You know, people tease you people, oh, you’re into ghosts and you’re into Bigfoot. And uh, but once they find out that you’re into that. You’ll get people kind of pulling you aside and saying. Hey, you know, can I tell you about this weird thing that happened to me?
So I started collecting these stories just by word of mouth. I wasn’t writing them down or anything. I initially over the pandemic was thinking about writing a book. Just talking to everybody I know and collecting their paranormal stories, whether it was UFOs or or ghosts or whatever. And that sort of is what morphed into the podcast and.
You know, I decided for the podcast. I, I wanted to tell untold stories. You know, there, there’s a million podcasts out there that cover the famous material far better than I ever could. You know, talking about Patterson Gimlin footage, or the Roswell. I know you got, you just did a, a, a, an episode on Roswell.
But, you know, I didn’t want to sort of tackle that. Cuz again, it was being done much better than I could ever do it. And I kind of leave that to , to those people. Uh, so for me, I really wanted to tell the untold stories. Just the, the, the average person next door. The person you work with, your, you know, your downstairs neighbor. Um, just people who come to you that you would never think have had a U F O sighting. Or a big bigfoot sighting or ghost encounter.
And they’re the ones whose stories are not told. So I wanted to sort of capture that. I didn’t wanna limit it just to paranormal. Cuz, paranormal kind of makes it sound like it’s gotta be a ghost or it’s gotta be aliens. And I just wanted, you know. I do have some people I still want to have on the show that I haven’t had on yet. Who have these odd experiences that aren’t. That don’t really fit into those boxes of Ghost or U F O or Bigfoot or Moth Man. Whatever you want to call it.
Um, they’re just weird experiences, so, uh, odd and untold and that, that’s where that came from and, um, been chugging along ever since.
[00:06:28] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s funny you say about coming up with the Times, cuz I was kind of the same way I was, I’m really into like video games and I’m a video game collector and on top of this podcast and all, and I started a like, news site blog for like, uh, new games coming out and stuff like that, and news about games coming out.
And I was like, this just isn’t like working, like it’s a lot of work and I’m not getting a lot of traffic and stuff like that. So I was like, I scrapped it. And then I switched over to doing the podcast. Obviously it’s not video games, but I was like, everyone now is just, you know, you gotta go to YouTube or Twitch or, you know, so I was like, I gotta shift and try to do something a little more, uh, wide open for the people nowadays.
in the lack
[00:07:18] Jason: of better term. Yeah, and it’s, it’s just, it, it’s, it’s much more accessible. People would rather just throw on YouTube or throw in a podcast in the background, uh, especially while working or doing other things. You know, if you’re a parent and you’re making dinner, like throwing a podcast, you know, you’re driving, throwing a podcast.
These, these are things that people can’t do with a blog. You can’t read a blog while you’re driving. You can’t read a blog while you’re making dinner. Uh, so people have really just gotten into the podcasting and the YouTube videos. Twitch or TikTok or, you know, all the, and there’s still a lot of stuff.
And I, I consider myself pretty technically advanced and I’m still, I still just don’t understand TikTok or, or Twitch. Um, and, you know, off air, you and I were kind of talking about these podcasting platforms and we’re still trying to figure those out. and, and again, I’m pretty technically savvy and I’m still just like, what the hell am I doing here?
So, um, it’s a brave new world. , you know, I’m, I’m trying to throw myself in the deep end here and, and get it going. So,
[00:08:19] Jeremiah: through your podcast, what has been your favorite or a couple of your favorite, like standout guests or, uh, episodes that you’ve done?
[00:08:28] Jason: Uh, I , it’s hard to pick cuz they, they’ve all been really cool and.
I, I guess the, the, the first standout one was my first episode. I interviewed Seth Breedlove from Small Town Monsters. And he was very gracious to come on. I know he wasn’t really doing podcasts anymore at the time for a variety of reasons. You know, he’s very busy. He and I had connected just through the blog.
I had done some reviews of his movies and, you know, he kind of contacted me offline, privately and just said he respected my reviews cuz I, I don’t really pull punches, you know, if I see something I want to criticize constructively I’ll do it. And he kind of appreciated that. It wasn’t just, uh, me buttering him up in every review and, oh, this is wonderful and it’s great and it’s perfect cause I didn’t do that, you know, I said, here’s what I liked.
Here’s a few things I wish were done differently. So we kind of had this mutual respect and, and followed each other. And so when I was doing the podcast, you know, I said, well, for my first episode I gotta try to go big or go home, you know, so reached out to him figuring, he’d say, yeah, you know, reach out to me again in six or eight months.
I’m really busy right now, but I’ll do, I’ll do the show at some point. And. I asked him if he’d come on the first show and he’s like, yeah, how’s next week? So he came on and we recorded for like two hours or a little over two hours. So I had to break it up into like two episodes. And he was just a phenomenal guest.
He just spoke so much about everything he was doing and all his experiences and just some really great stories. So that, that was just, um, an amazing experience for me. Nerve-wracking, cuz it was my first . It was my first time doing a podcast and I’m on video and talking to this guy who I, I really admire and, and and respect and here I am talking to him and, and putting it out there for everybody to see.
And as you know, as a blogger, it’s, it’s a little different when you’re writing, you know, you can kind of write a draft, you know, walk away, come back an hour later, reword things, look, you know, go to your thesaurus and you know, ma make your blog really stand out. And when, when, when you’re live and, and you’re just talking on video or audio, it’s, it’s much harder to be that eloquent and to, you know, you’re gonna stumble over your words and.
So I, I was nervous as hell, but he, he was such a gracious guest and, you know, so much fun. Uh, other, another show I did was, um, I did these three sisters, uh, for Halloween. They, they came on the show and, and shared, uh, some of their experiences growing up in a haunted house. And they’re just so much fun. Uh, Paula, Olivia and Rachel.
And, uh, I actually worked with, uh, Paula, so I knew her and then she brought her sisters on and, uh, just, just a, a fun episode cuz just their energy together, their sisters, you know, so they all kind of bounced off each other and teased each other. And, uh, j just such a, a really fun episode, one of our more popular episodes.
Uh, so that one was a lot of fun. You know, I, I’ve had some friends on the show, again, like going back to my book idea of just talking to people that I know and having them share their stories. it’s great for me to just connect with friends who I haven’t seen in a while or who live far away, where I only see them a couple times a year.
So, so yeah, tho those, those are really like my favorites than I, I just feel more comfortable talking to a friend, and just kind of, it’s more just like us talking when we just hang out and say, now remember that story I told you and we’re talking and then, but you know, now we’re just recording it for a podcast.
So it’s, it’s cool to just kind of document their experiences and, and just be able to reconnect and have that rapport with them. Yeah. I always
[00:11:53] Jeremiah: loved, I always liked talking to people that I know everyone that gets in, they like podcasting and whatever they want, like the big name guests and stuff like that.
But I really enjoy the smaller name people and the, cuz they have like the most wild stories and, uh, accounts and they just really divulge a lot of information and I find it to be a little bit more enjoyable if I can say that because you get more realness out of it. It’s not like some, sometimes you get the big name guess on, you can tell they’re just going through the motions, you know, so mm-hmm.
So I really like that. . And you said you did some ghost investigations yourself. Um, how did that all go about and what kind of places did you go? What kind of things did you get into?
[00:12:40] Jason: So I got into that, oh man, prior, around 2006, I, I had always been into the paranormal and I, I did have a blog even before the occult section.
It was called the unexplained.net I think, cause I couldn’t get the.com . So it was the unexplained.net. And it was very similar. It was a lot of book reviews and movie reviews and, and paranormal news that we would just kind of talk about. And I had a bunch of different writers, uh, Becca Shannon, if you guys are listening, thank you so much for contributing to that blog.
It was ages ago, but I’m still friends with them. It was funny, my mother was just trying to sell something on Craigslist one day and she came across this ad for a guy looking for, he wanted to start a ghost hunting group, . So I was like, Hey, let me, let me reach out to him. You know, shits and giggles. And, uh, I did.
And you know, we kind of became fast friends and. Started interviewing people. We grew the team. Uh, so ultimately became me and him, and then, uh, Jimmy, our friend Jimmy and Laura, who eventually became my wife. And so, yeah, we did a lot of investigations in the New York City area. We did, uh, a lot of residences, which mostly were kept private.
We didn’t post a lot of the residential stuff that we did, but we did, you know, local museums, local businesses, bars, um, historical places on Staten Island in, in New York City and Brooklyn. So, Uh, that was really great. We had a, you know, it was a small team, uh, mainly just the four of us. Later on, we brought on, uh, Stacy and Michelle and Collette is with us now.
Uh, so mainly, you know, go, you know, paranormal, ghost investigating. And, you know, we, we took a slightly different tact. You know, we, we were very, i I, I’d call it skeptical believers, you know, it’s, uh, skeptic sort of in indicates that you just don’t believe that this happens at all. And, you know, we, we kind of believe, but we, we kind of go in with a very skeptical eye.
We go in trying to debunk, and I would say 99% of the cases we went in, we found rational explanations for what was going on. You know, high EMF readings coming from a refrigerator or an alarm clock and or bad wiring. We’d say, Hey, you know, fix this issue, or move the alarm clock to the other side of the room.
And, you know, if you stop hearing ghosts, there’s your, there’s your answer. And sure enough, you know, a week later, yeah. it stopped, you know, . Um, but, you know, we did have a few experiences that we couldn’t really explain. And th tho those are the ones that, you know, keep us going. And, um, you know, we ended up on the local news and newspapers, and back then it was still kind of a booming thing.
There weren’t a lot of ghost hunting groups back then, you know, and then it, it did balloon out and, and explode, and then that sort of phase went out. So we stopped doing a lot of the, uh, the well-known places, businesses, and we, we really tried to focus on the residential stuff. And then that sort of faded out, you know, cause who’s busy?
Who’s this, who’s that? And you have the pandemic and . So it just, uh, we don’t do it too, too much anymore. We still get inquiries here and there and, and a lot of them we can deal with via email even. We can just sort of talk to the person and ask a few questions and, and say, Hey, you know, Again, move the alarm clock or, you know, turn the TV off at night.
Um, or if they send us photos, they’re easily debunked. It’s, this is just dust, or this is just water vapor EVPs, we can say, well, we’re not really hearing anything, so keep recording and if you find something else, let us know. You know, a, a lot of people, when they want us to investigate, they want us to kind of fix the problem, and we have to explain that, you know, an investigation is not, you know, we’re not Ghostbusters, we’re not gonna go into proton packs and, and capture whatever’s there and take it out and say, oh, your house is clean Now.
It’s really, we can go in and, and maybe validate their experiences or debunk them and sort of say, Hey, maybe this is what’s causing them. But other than that, it’s, it’s more just to validate what they’re experiencing.
[00:16:30] Jeremiah: So does your team have like any, I don’t know, mediums or people who like specialize in that type of thing?
Or are you guys just going for like research purposes?
[00:16:40] Jason: We mainly do the research purposes. Um, we have worked with a few self-described psychics or mediums in the past and have never really found any validating data for it. You know, it, it, it always comes down to something vague. Uh, you know, I sense the presence of a child.
I sense the presence of an old man. You know, somebody died here, but, all right. Tell us how they died. Well, how old is the child? You know, when did the child die? Um, so I, I’m, and I’m not trying to put psychics down. I know there, there are instances where they do seem to help.
They do seem to know things, uh, especially like in crime investigations. I mean, I’ve heard, you know, wild stories where they’ve been helpful. So I’m not putting down psychics. I just. In my experience with the ones that I’ve been in contact with, none of them have ever contributed anything, uh, statistically worthwhile to the investigation.
So it’s, it’s not something that we’re opposed to, but for me it’s, it’s, I, I need, you know, sort of tell me something about this that we can then later verify that you didn’t know prior to coming in here. And that’s a very hard sort of situation to control. Cuz if you’re bringing someone somewhere, they’re gonna know where they’re going.
They can research it ahead of time, they may just know things about it. It may just be a lucky guess, even if they do kind of hit on something. So those are things that are always interesting to me. But, uh, we don’t have someone in the group who’s like a dedicated psychic or medium at this point.
[00:18:09] Jeremiah: Okay. I was just curious because usually you have one or something in like a ghost hunting group that kind of like tries to communicate with them while the other one’s like, I don’t know, record data or whatever.
[00:18:21] Jason: Yeah, yeah. And you do see a lot of that. And again, I, you know, no judgments, I’m not opposed to it. It’s just, I, I, I think our mindset has always been more of the, the, the skeptical initial approach. Like, let’s just go in and try to explain this rationally before jumping to paranormal. I think a lot of psychics and, and I’ve seen this where, you know, we’ve taken psychics places and there’s nothing going on, and they come in and all of a sudden they’re feeling things and they’re sensing things and something doesn’t want us here.
And it’s always kind of like the same tropes. Again, that, that for me is what has turned me off. And, uh, you know, my team and I, we, we have been in places where we’ve felt things, you know, where. We’ll just look at each other and it’s like, man, I’m feeling like I’m being watched and they say the same thing.
And to me that’s a little bit more visceral and interesting ultimately because we, we are kind of skeptical. We, we do not, again, not that we don’t believe that there is something paranormal out there, but we, we, you know, it’s, it’s kinda like the innocent until proven guilty thing where we’re kind of going in saying it.
It’s, there’s nothing paranormal here until we’re convinced otherwise. So we go in looking for drafts, we go in looking for bad wiring or old appliances that might be messing with people’s minds or creaky floors or anything that we can sort of point to and say, well, maybe this is what’s causing it and not a ghost.
So yeah, that’s, that, that’s really the approach we take. And, and I, I think a, a psychic would, if we did bring one regularly, that would sort of, uh, muddy, muddy the waters a little bit. Cuz we like to just kind of go in fresh and, and. Start from that ground zero of saying there is nothing here, and let let our experiences convince us that there is something here or the evidence if we do collect any, which we have.
Very rarely done .
[00:20:10] Jeremiah: Yeah, I like that approach cuz a lot of these ghost busting teams, or ghost, ghost busting, , a lot of these ghosts like investigating teams, they do go into a situation like expecting activity and kind of, it’s almost like willing on the activity and stuff. So to come at it from your angle where you’re going in expecting nothing and then you want to be shown wrong.
right? Where instead of the other way
[00:20:36] Jason: around. . And, and that’s the way it should be. It’s, you know, the, the preponderance of evidence should be convincing you. And you know, I I say on my show a lot, you know, your, your focus determines your reality. So if you go into a house saying, oh my God, it’s haunted and we’re gonna hear so much stuff tonight, then yeah, every time the house settles, every time there’s a weird noise that you’re not familiar with, oh, that was a ghost.
Give us a sign of your presence. And you know, a pipe bangs, you’re gonna say, oh, that was a ghost giving us a sign of their presence. And it’s like, well, no, it’s just houses make noises. But if you’re going in with this mindset of this place is super haunted and we’re gonna get so much evidence tonight, then you’re going to get it.
And it’s not really evidence. You’re just, everything you’re hearing, you’re saying that’s evidence, that’s evidence, that’s evidence. And now you’ve convinced yourself that the place is haunted. Whereas we go in and again, if we know we’re the only two people in the building, you know, the rest of the team is out in the car.
We’re the only two people in the building. And we’re sitting there perfectly still, and we hear clear footsteps upstairs. Boom, boom, boom. That is interesting to us. Uh, we don’t call it paranormal. We just kind of make a note of it and say, okay, we kind of heard footsteps and what could that have been? And then we go upstairs and we try to replicate it and we say, okay, can someone go upstairs?
We’re gonna stay down here. You walk over here. Cause that’s what it sounded like. Does it sound the same? And you know, I tell people this all the time too. If you go to our website, which, uh, our team name is the New York Paranormal Society, but if you go there and you look for the section on the dropdown menu that says evidence, you’re not gonna find one.
We don’t say that this is evidence. You know, we may say, here’s an investigation. Here’s a noise we caught. We don’t know what it is. We never label anything as this is an EVP or this is evidence of a ghost. It’s just something that at that point we can’t explain. We were down there, we heard what sounded like footsteps.
Were they footsteps? We don’t know. All we know is that. . Nobody else was in the building, and yet we heard something from upstairs or downstairs. And is it paranormal? But we, we never label anything as, yes, this is paranormal. So that’s kind of our approach.
[00:22:45] Jeremiah: Yeah, just kind of saying, this is what happened without stamping it or putting a label on it.
I like that.
[00:22:52] Jason: Yeah. And it’s funny, I did, I’ll tell you this. We did, we did a little thought experiment once, and uh, so we were doing these ghost tours at a place called Snug Harbor on Staten Island, and my wife was, she’s a photographer, and she was photographing just pictures for the website, you know, so she took this picture of a spooky old house on the grounds.
It was really cool. It was just like a, you know, it would’ve made like a nice DVD cover or something, , you know. So we posted it up on Facebook, but before I did, I said, you know what, I’m, I’m just gonna do this little experiment. And I picked, picked a random spot on the photo and just drew a red circle and posted it on Facebook with no context, no, no caption, just nothing.
Just a photo with a red circle. and the comments flooded in. I totally see it. I see a woman, I see, I see a man walking a dog. Oh my God, you caught a ghost. Oh, that’s such a great capture. And you know, I let it run for a few days and then I was like, no, everybody, this is just a random photo of the house , you know?
Um, I just drew a, a random red circle somewhere just to see what would happen. And people were like, no, you’re wrong. There’s a ghost there. I totally see it. And they were like sending me enhanced images of, of the picture, and they were trying to like outline. And I’m like, you’re just seeing what you wanna see, because the red circle made you think I was drawing your attention to something when there was nothing there.
So I, I, that was a really interesting sort of social experiment for me to do. And it just proved my point that you draw a red circle around something or a little arrow towards something and you know, , weird amalgamation of leaves in the background is now Bigfoot that, you know, streak in the sky is now a u f O cuz you’re drawing the red circle around it.
So, so that was really interesting for us to do too. .
[00:24:32] Jeremiah: Yeah, that’s cool. I like that. Um, it’s like when people look at clouds, like you can see something in clouds, but then another person might not see it or they might see something completely different. It’s the same Or that, um, what is that, that psychological test with the ink blots.
[00:24:50] Jason: Oh, the
[00:24:50] Jeremiah: Rorschach, yeah. Orach, um mm-hmm. . Yeah. You can see different things depending who you are, what you’re looking at.
[00:24:56] Jason: And yeah, it’s a psychological phenomenon called lia and or matrixing, people call it matrixing. And, and yeah, it’s essentially the brain tries to see patterns in randomness. So yeah, you’ll look at a cloud and oh, that looks like a, a rabbit, you know, cuz your brain is seeing something that looks familiar.
And of course the cloud is not a rabbit, it’s not trying to look like a rabbit. It’s a random. Cloud that’s just passing over by. Um, and there’s examples on the internet. You know, you look at an outlet, you know, and it’s got the two , you know, the two prongs, and then the, the bottom prong. And it almost looks like a face yelling like, Hmm.
And they didn’t make it like that. It’s just for the plug to go in, but you’re looking at it and it looks like a funny little face. So people will take pictures of the woods or take pictures of an attic and something can be in the wood grain or something could be on, you know, in the trees and it kind of, you know, has this shape.
And they’re like, oh my God, it’s Bigfoot. And it, you don’t know that. It’s just a random pattern of, of shadow and light that resembles a humanoid figure or resembles a face or whatever it is you’re looking for. And again, in most of those cases, it’s just matrixing. It’s just your, your, your mind trying to see makes sense out of random.
Yeah. You know what bugs
[00:26:09] Jeremiah: me is like, I’m in a lot of like UFO and alien abduction groups and stuff like that, and what bugs me is when people post like pictures of obviously like Photoshopped UFOs , and they’re like, oh look, this UFO was caught over Brazil or whatever. It’s like, you can’t be that dumb, like that looks like something out of like Independence Day or something.
Like there’s no way. And if that was real, it would’ve been like all over the freaking news and there would be millions of people uploading it online saying from their phones that were, that live there in like Brazil or whatever. I’m just like, you’re just muddying it for everybody else and everything else.
So you’re taking like the legitimate legitimacy of the real ones and like lowering it .
[00:26:56] Jason: Yeah. And, and that’s really the issue now is because with, you know, personal computers and software, you can, you can do amazing things with Photoshop and video editing tools and. kids can do them. You know, like my, my son can do some stuff in Photoshop.
That’s amazing. And you, you know, I’ll watch shows with him on tv and he’s a little older now. He’s 15 now. But I remember just even a couple of years ago, you know, we’d watch, you know, paranormal caught on camera or just any of these shows that show a alleged video evidence of, of a ghost or U f O and, and some of them just look unbelievably amazing.
And, you know, my son’s like, oh dad, what do you think of that? And I’m like, I don’t believe it. You know? And my whole thing is, I, I’m not saying these people are hoaxing it, I, you know, my, my opinion is un unless I’m capturing it myself, or it’s like my father or my mother or someone I trust, like with my life, the, the fact that it could so easily be hoaxed, just to me says I can’t legitimately believe it because I don’t know what the conditions were.
You know, I know if I’m doing an investigation, and there was four of us in the, you know, on the investigation, the owner says, here’s the keys, I’ll be back in the morning and leaves. And we know there’s no one in the house. You know, it’s a small house. All of us are accounted for in one room and I hear something in another room, I can say I’m fairly confident that that’s not someone hoaxing me, but if another investigative team is doing this, I, I’m not gonna call them out and say, you’re hoaxing it.
I’m just saying, You know, you can tell me. And I don’t expect anybody to believe my evidence either cuz they can turn that right around on me and say, well, we don’t know. There was no one else in that room. Maybe you’re hoaxing it because everybody wants to go viral. Everyone wants to go on TikTok and get the 10,000 views and or go on YouTube and get the million subscribers.
Uh, and you see this a lot on these TikTok videos. I watch these YouTube channels that are like, oh, the 10 most creepy things found on TikTok. And it’s somebody just, oh, I was just doing a Twitch stream and oh, something walks behind me and you know, now all of a sudden my channel has blown up. And I was like, well, yeah, of course.
You know. So w w was that legit? Maybe. But it’s very suspect because you had a channel. And it wasn’t doing so great. And then, you know, this weird demon figure kind of walks in the background and all of a sudden you have, you know, 10 million subscribers. Was that just your buddy in the background wearing a Halloween mask?
Or was that just somebody, you know, opening the door for you? It, it, it’s, I hate to sort of have to do that, but you have to do it, you know, because you just never know who’s hoaxing something. I mean, there’s apps for your phone that’ll put a ghost in any photo that you take, and it looks convincing. And I feel like if you put that into Photoshop and tweak it a little bit more, you would have a really convincing photo of a ghost.
Or like you said, UFOs and you know, we wanna believe. because we’re into the paranormal and we, we would like to believe there’s more out there than we understand, but I, I think it’s really important just to be cautious and take everything you see out there, including my own stuff. If I put something out there, question me, you know, and I’ve done it on my website.
I’ve said, I took this picture. If anybody knows what this might be, please let me know. If you’re a profo, you know, photographer, or if you know about camera mal functions, like, please let me know. I would rather know the boring truth than be convinced of a, an exciting lie. So I, I don’t trust anything that’s out there and nobody should trust my stuff.
Not that I’m a hoaxer, but I think we all have to be a little bit more, uh, critical in our thinking to say, you know, is this a U F O or is this a hoax? And, you know, chances are it’s probably a hoax or a misidentification or just a glitch in the camera. Again, a lot of hoaxes aren’t malicious. It could be someone just saying, Hey, I saw this in the woods and I clicked the picture of it, and it looks like Bigfoot, and I really think it’s Bigfoot.
And maybe they’re not trying to hoax you. But you do have to take it with a grain of salt because what were they really photographing? Yeah.
[00:30:41] Jeremiah: It’s um, it’s definitely one thing that bugs me, like I said, and there are people taking legitimate pictures like you just said, that, um, you know, they just, they don’t know, they’re not sure.
So they snapped a photo and then, um, you know, those things should be like, studied, I guess . Mm-hmm. and kind of like dissected to see, you know, if it’s really something or if they just caught, you know, a fly flying across the screen or something. . Yeah. It’s definitely a thing. But you know what blows my mind is like the fact that our government actually uses remote viewers.
Because when I first heard about remote viewing, I was like, that can’t be real. Like, what? And, but nope, our government actually has like a team of remote viewers and I’m just like, well, maybe there’s something to it.
[00:31:31] Jason: Yeah. And th those are always fascinating stories to me. Um, The remote viewing.
And, and again, you can try to throw some of it out as, uh, it was just a coincidence. But then you hear these stories where some of them were just so spot on. And the fact that the government, I, I understand the government trying anything, you know, just throwing stuff at the wall to see what’ll stick and yeah, sure, let’s try remote viewers.
Let’s try e s p people, let’s try, you know, whatever. But the fact that they keep using them and are still using them tells me that there’s some level of success that they feel is statistically significant enough to keep paying these people and keep using these people for foreign intelligence to, to find out information about our enemies.
And again, you know, you hear these little things trickle out from the government and now like there’s the u f O disclosure of, yeah, these videos are real. These were taken by real navy pilots and we don’t know what it was. Don’t think about it too much. And yeah, we’ll come up with a commission and we’ll investigate it and, um, and just kind of very matter of fact of like, yeah, here’s this tic-tac u f o and you know, it was taken by pilots from the Nimitz and Ladi da, you know, the elections are next week.
And , I was like, holy crap. Like you guys just admitted that you video, you know, you filmed this craft from a fighter jet that you guys couldn’t catch up to, you couldn’t get a radar lock on, you couldn’t identify, but we should all just sleep well tonight and not worry about it. Yeah. So it’s kind of fascinating to me.
But yeah, the remote viewing, I’m glad you brought that up cause that’s, that’s one of those things that I, I really, it really fascinates me and, and it’s really interesting cuz it, it’s, you know, is is it psychic ability? Is it something else? Is it, um, cuz I think, I think we’ve all probably had, I know I have, but I, and I know a lot of people have had this where you kind of, you visit a place you’ve never been to before and you, you like, you just feel so familiar there.
Like, I’ve been here before and you just know like, oh, the bathroom is down this way and this is over here. and it’s like, did I dream about this place or did I, but it, it feels like that, it just kind of feels like you’ve been there before. And again, I dunno if it’s just some weird psychological phenomenon, like deja vu or if there’s something to it, but for the government to keep using remote viewers tells me that they’re getting some level of success with it.
Enough to keep doing it.
[00:33:46] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s like the whole past life thing and, uh, past life regression and stuff like that, and deja vu, which some people chalk up to past life and mm-hmm. , um, that’s why you feel like you’ve been somewhere before, because you actually have been, but in the past, , like before you were born, it’s, it’s wild to think about.
Like, I like all those theories and especially like simulation theory, that we’re all just living in a computer simulation. .
[00:34:12] Jason: Yeah. It’s, it’s wild. I, I had a teacher back in junior high school who one of his theories was that the, the Big Bang is, is more of a, a repeating pulse. So the universe kind of explodes and the Big Bang planets are created, lives are lived, and then the universe collapses back in and itself again, and then it explodes again and back and forth and back and forth.
And that’s what deja vu is. It’s just, we’ve done this before, you know, the big, and, and again, that, that’s taking a l you know, a lot of assumptions there that, you know, that life repeats itself in, in, in a sense. Uh, but I, I always thought it was an interesting theory. It’s not, not something I agree with, but I, I just thought that was an interesting theory that life, the universe just happens and then collapses on itself and happens again and collapses on itself.
And, and maybe things happen slightly differently each time, but that the deja vu is, yeah, I’ve lived this exact moment before and I’m remembering that I just thought it was an interesting theory. Again, not one I agree with. I thought it was really interesting.
[00:35:14] Jeremiah: Yeah, I like diving into theories even if I don’t believe ’em.
I think it’s important to keep an open mind, cuz you never know. I mean, none of us know what happens, like after we died. No one really knows any of that stuff. Like what really happened in the ancient past or what happened before that. So I always try to keep an open mind and, um, so yeah, it’s definitely, um, important.
So what other, uh, topics are you into? Like, maybe not so much on your show, but like something you like to look into or
[00:35:48] Jason: research? I’m, I, I haven’t really brought this up on the show yet, but I, I’m a huge, like, true crime buff, um, mainly serial killers. Uh, I don’t even know how I got into it. I, I, probably went to the Strand in, in Manhattan when I was in high school or whatever, and picked up like a time life book on serial killers or something.
Ah, that’d be cool. You know, it’s like two bucks. Um, and it had, uh, like four entries. I think it was like Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and I, I think it was like the Yorkshire Ripper. And,But they had like a little middle section that they did like serial killers throughout history, and they had a little section on Jack the Ripper.
And of course I had heard about Jack the Ripper before, but for whatever reason I latched onto that and I just, I, I went out and I bought a ton of Jack the Ripper books and so I’m kind of like an armchair ologist now. And I love the Jack the Ripper legend and the story and, and just have read so many books on it and so many theories and, um, Spurring from that.
I started reading, uh, books by John Douglas and, um, Robert Wrestler, who, who they were, I dunno if you watched the show, mine Hunter on, on Netflix, but they were like the original FBI criminal profilers who interviewed all of these serial killers and kind of learned how to profile what to look for in a serial killer.
And so I read all of John Douglass’s books and just fascinating stuff and because I, I, you know, I have my degree in psychology, so psychologist on the side, I guess you could say. Um, but just the psychology of, of serial killers and murders. And so just anything unsolved like that, it, it just plays into the mystery for me.
Uh, so yeah, I, I do want to start exploring more true crime on the podcast. Cause I do think it’s odd. I do think there’s a lot of untold stories out there. Um, like I said, I don’t want to just, just co cover a paranormal stuff, but yeah, true crime is, is a huge, huge, uh, little side interest of mine that I haven’t touched on yet.
It is
[00:37:47] Jeremiah: interesting the amount of like evil and sadistic nature that some people have , so like, oh yeah. To hear some of the stories. And I, I’m in a true crime too. I listen to some people on YouTube that cover it extensively and some of this cases are just like, my jaw’s literally like hanging open cuz I’m like, how’s that even possible?
Like, who would do something like that?
[00:38:13] Jason: And . Yeah. It’s, it’s fascinating to just hear like some of the, the stories of how these serial killers grew up and just, it makes you wonder because the, there’s common threads and there’s common threads with people who never turn out to be serial killers. So it makes you wonder like, what was the little trigger that took this person who also didn’t have a father in their life or also had a domineering mother and also grew up poor.
Why did this one turn out perfectly fine and successful and raise a family and this other one has 30 bodies in their, in their attic. You know, like, it, it just, human nature is just so fascinating and human psychology and just, we don’t, we still don’t know. We don’t know what it is that triggers some people to just become these monsters that kill murder, eat other people.
And, and they’re not even psychopaths. You know, it’s not like they’re just raving lunatics who are running out in the street, murdering people. I mean, these are, these are people who know that it’s wrong. They have jobs sometimes they have families, sometimes they even have children. Like, and how do you do that and go out and murder someone and decapitate them and, and do har horrific things to them.
And then just go home to your wife and kids and be like, Hey honey, I’m home. What’s for dinner? It, it’s just so fascinating to me what certain human beings are capable of. And scary .
[00:39:31] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, definitely. It’s, it’s wild. Cuz I think, was it Casey? Gacy like was in politics and stuff while he was still doing all
[00:39:42] Jason: that.
Yeah, he was like a town councilman or something. Um, he wasn’t big into politics, but you know, he lived, he was like in the small town, but he was like on, oh God, I forget what it was. But yeah, he, he was like, um,
[00:39:54] Jeremiah: he was hovering around the politician sphere and he
[00:39:57] Jason: was, he was, he was like in that like the low level political, um, sphere like, like you said.
And yeah, he had a wife, he had kids, he had nice house. He was a contractor. He used to, you know, put on the clown makeup and play with kids at parties and stuff. And just by all accounts, normal, regular, you know, socially involved guy. He wasn’t some, you know, some hermit, some, you know, withdrawn weirdo, some guy huffing blue on the street.
Exactly, exactly. He was just a normal guy living his life and involved in the community. Same thing with B T K, you know, this is a guy who was successful, had a business, had a family, had kids, And was an absolute psychopath, you know, of just murder, murdering women. And nobody knew. And I, I think in that case, I think it was his daughter who ultimately found like a little thumb drive or something that had incriminating evidence on it, and she turned it over to the police and that’s how they found him.
But otherwise, like you look at the guy and you look at his, his background and his home life, and you’d be like, how did he even get away with that? Like, how did nobody know? But they do it. It’s, it’s creepy and, and scary .
[00:41:04] Jeremiah: Yeah, it is. It is wild. So I’ll have to ask you, um, since it’s a big topic on my show.
Okay. What is your view or theory about aliens and the abduction phenomenon and all that UFO stuff? Like what is, what is your take on it since you come at it more skeptical? Uh, .
[00:41:27] Jason: And it’s funny cause I, I talk to my son about this a lot and I see, you know, in, in my mind, aliens 100% exist out there somewhere.
You know, the universe is just too big and too wondrous and, and, you know, we know next to nothing. I mean, we don’t know about our own oceans, you know, whether they’re visiting us or not. That’s a very different topic. And I, I’m open to the fact that they could, you know, cause scientists say, well, the distances they would have to cover, it’s impossible.
And it’s, you know, in my mind it’s like, well, you know, at one point breaking the sound barrier was impossible. At one point, flight was impossible. So it’s impossible for us. Yes, like with our current comprehension, but you know, you have a species that’s a thousand years ahead of us, or a million years ahead of us, or 500 million years ahead of us, and maybe they know a way to travel these distances that would not take hundreds of thousands of years.
That being said, it makes me wonder why they would come all the way here. To, you know, cut up a cow or just hover in the sky and you know, they’re already here. Like, you know, you’re getting , you’re 99% of the way there. Like, say hi. Say do something. Why do they need to mutilate cows? Why would they need to abduct humans?
You would think that a species that had mastered interstellar travel would be able to hide their ships, would be able to abduct people without being seen, without leaving memories behind. And again, I, I don’t wanna discount people’s. Experiences. I’ve never been abducted by aliens. I, I’ve had sleep paralysis, which feels very much like being abducted by aliens.
So I think a lot of abduction stories can probably be attributed to things like sleep paralysis or waking dreams. The mind can do really insane things. Uh, you know, that being said, I’ve seen some weird stuff in the sky. I have people I love and trust who have seen weird things in the sky. And, uh, does it mean that they’re aliens from another planet?
It could be military craft, it could be foreign aircraft, it could be natural phenomenon that we don’t understand you’re seeing lights in the sky. You don’t know if there’s a craft behind that you don’t know. You know, is it from another planet? I, I’ve heard theories that maybe it’s an underwater civilization.
You know, like I mentioned, we don’t really understand our oceans. We can’t even go that deep. Our robotic submarines can’t even go that deep. I mean, they can go down 15, 20,000 feet maybe, but the oceans go much deeper. So, , what if these are underwater submarines that are, you know, it’s an underwater civilization that’s popping outta the ocean and kind of looking at us and being like, oh, wow, that, that’s weird.
Hmm. Um, but you know, you have stories like the Roswell incident that really intrigue me because you have someone like Jesse Marcel, who seems like a legit guy who seems like he knows what he’s doing. I mean, he was a high ranking guy and he’s got some wild stories about this material that they found.
And it, it, it’s either alien and by alien I just mean it’s not human. I, you know, I don’t know if it’s underwater, people from Earth. I don’t know if it’s people from Mars or from another solar system, but what he described was insane. Um, and this is a guy, when he finally did his interview, you know, he, he’s close to death.
He’s in his seventies talking to Stanton Friedman or whatever. , what is, you know, what does this guy got to gain? What is, you know, he’s telling these stories and of course there’s a lot of fantastical stories surrounding Roswell. His wasn’t, you know, his was very, just, we found this material and I don’t know what it was, and we couldn’t burn it.
We couldn’t damage it, you know, and then when we posed for the, the newspaper photograph, it wasn’t the same material. It was a weather balloon and, nah, it’s okay folks. Just don’t worry about it. . Um, so again, I, I believe aliens exist to answer your question, sorry, I got off on a real big tangent there, but I, I do believe aliens exist.
I, I can’t imagine a universe where we’re the only intelligent lifeforms, but are they visiting us? I don’t know. But I’ve seen stuff in the sky. I know people who’ve seen stuff in the sky that we can’t explain. Uh, so it makes me wonder, my
[00:45:35] Jeremiah: biggest question is kind of what you said, like if they’re traveling from so far away from another planet, , why haven’t they like made contact?
I mean, it’s been how many years now? And also like everyone knows about aliens and, you know, has a concept of aliens. So I don’t know what the big secrecy
[00:45:56] Jason: is. Yeah. And I, I could see if they, you know, if they were visiting us in print of times and they said, Hey, like, look, this is a primitive civilization.
If we go down and, and try to talk to them, they, they’re gonna freak, freak out. We can’t, you know, cause they’re, they’re cavemen at this point, or Neanderthals or they’re in the, the mid, you know, the middle Ages and very religious. But yeah, at this point people are, are pretty open to it. And, and everyone, uh, even if you don’t believe in, I, I don’t know too many people who don’t believe in aliens.
I think even the hardest pressed skeptics are gonna say, yeah, there’s probably intelligent life out there. They’re just not here. They just can’t get here. So I don’t think there’s very many people left on earth who would say that aliens don’t exist. I think it’s just a matter of are they coming here or not.
So if they are here, , why come all the way here to just hover in the sky for 30 seconds and then zoom off? It just, it’s, it’s a weird thing for me to, to wrap my head around or yeah, to come and like, cut up a cow and take out its tongue and an eyeball and, and then zip off. Like, what are you doing, ?
[00:46:58] Jeremiah: Yeah.
It’s, it’s very strange. Now I have looked into the whole like cattle noodle leash and stuff, and some of that stuff is like, yeah, I don’t see a human doing that. Like they do precision cuts with no blood. No. Like, I don’t know how it’s done, but, uh, yeah. It doesn’t seem like some farmers out there playing pranks on
[00:47:20] Jason: people.
Yeah. And that, that’s, that’s another weird one, because then, cause then you have other people who say, well, it’s not aliens, it’s the government. You know, the government’s doing these clandestine experiments on livestock and, and again, why not just buy a cow and put it in a government facility and do your, your testing on it?
Why are you going out to some ranch with unmarked helicopters? and you, you know, I I I, I would think there would be a better way to conduct these tests, even if you wanted to say, well, we have a laser mounted on a helicopter and we wanna see if we can cut a cow up while it’s running through a field. Go to area 51, just buy a cow, let it run out on area 51, and no one would ever see it or notice it.
Yeah. But you do have these weird mutilations, and, and again, I believe a fair amount of them could be attributed to predation and natural decomposition. But there are instances again where you see these photos and you like, that doesn’t look like an animal, did it. It’s a clean, precise cut and there’s no blood and there’s no tracks.
So one of those mysteries, and, and I don’t know exactly why it got thrown. Well, it had to be UFOs and alien. . I don’t know. I, I guess it’s just, you know, that that’s kind of the catchall for anything that’s beyond our technology has to be aliens. So .
[00:48:32] Jeremiah: Yeah. Cuz you always see the pictures of like a U F O beaming up a cow.
Yeah. . . It’s kind of like a stigma where they’re like connected .
[00:48:43] Jason: Oh, definitely, definitely. It’s the anal probes, it’s the, you know, people you think aliens, you think certain things and Yeah. It’s, it’s cattle mutilations. Yeah. You just, the U f O beaming up the cow. And
[00:48:56] Jeremiah: then also like, uh, crop circles and stuff.
And I know, uh, there’s a good bit of them that can be like explained away, but there’s other ones that are a little more intricate, a little. I don’t know how to say it. Like, doesn’t look like humans did it. . And then there’s other theories with that too. Like some of ’em get attributed to UFOs and then other ones are saying like, well, the earth is actually alive, the Gaia theory, and it’s kind of like sending messages and stuff like that.
So I don’t know, but the whole crop circle thing is, is
[00:49:27] Jason: wild too. Yeah. And that, that, that’s another one. Like why, why would aliens come all this way to, to make symbols in the crops that we can’t understand? You know, if, if they’re coming here, if they’ve been coming here for years, they probably know our language.
They probably know better ways to communicate with us than making these weird geometric symbols in fields of crops. Um, and yeah, there, there have been guys who’ve shown how they do it and they can do it in a night and they can do these really intricate crop circles. So yeah, a lot of them are probably hoaxed, but then there’s other ones where, yeah, they’re finding like weird radiation.
or the crops have been bent without breaking, which would be much harder for a human to do. Uh, the earth theory is interesting. I I’ve heard that one too and I Sure, why not? You know, , I, I’ll entertain it. Uh, cuz for me, that actually makes more sense than aliens because, uh, again, why would aliens come and all this way just to do that and then zip off and be like, all right, good luck guys trying to decipher this when we can just come and say, Hey, you know, we come in peace and, you know, take us to your.
[00:50:30] Jeremiah: Yeah, I don’t know if they came out yet, but I read an article that they’re coming out with earbuds that can actually change the language. So like, someone can talk to you and you have the earbuds in and they can speak French, and if you speak English, it’ll transfer it and re and like read it back to you in their language.
Oh,
[00:50:50] Jason: wow. That’s a, that’s like a universal translator from Star Trek or whatever, where they all speak different languages, but they all understand each other. That’And yeah, you think if, if, if we can do that, why can’t this species that has mastered interstellar travel, they don’t have something like that.
They gotta come and, you know, cut up a cow or, or put weird symbols in the crops to, to communicate with us. It just, it doesn’t make sense to me.
[00:51:11] Jeremiah: Yeah. Especially after. Well, it’s been going on before 1947, but like even from 9 15 47 to now, that’s like a long time to like stay hidden or, you know, not like announce your presence or, I don’t know.
The whole thing is just weird to me and it’s fascinating. I like looking into it. I like theorizing .
[00:51:34] Jason: Oh, me too. And, and you know, I, I do think there’s something to it, you know, again, I don’t know if they’re a, I don’t know that they’re not aliens, you know, I mean, they very well may could be. And maybe they ha you know, cuz some people say, oh, they have a, an agreement with our government and that’s why they’re not revealing themselves.
Sure. You know, that, that’s a possibility. So I, I entertain all possibilities. I find it fascinating whether I believe or I don’t believe, or I question my belief. Find it all fascinating. I think there’s stuff going on, whether it’s Bigfoot, whether it’s UFOs, whether it’s ghosts. I think there’s enough people out there.
There are enough witnesses who are believable, who are legit, who have nothing to gain. have everything to lose by telling their stories. And again, the vast majority of them may be mis identifications or hoaxes or misunderstandings or whatever, but you drill it down and there’s still just enough there to say these things are worth looking into.
They’re worth further study. .
[00:52:32] Jeremiah: Oh yeah. A hundred percent agree. And I love that podcast like mine and yours and all the other podcasts covering this fringe stuff. I’m glad that they’re out there and that way we can shed more light on these subjects and hopefully get more people interested and involved to try to like uncover this stuff and not keep it such a mystery anymore.
And there are some good researchers out there and good investigators that are going at it the right way and not trying to glamorize it or sell off, uh, their soul for it, so to speak. And so, yeah,
[00:53:08] Jason: it’s good. Yeah, and, and I, and I love that and that’s kind of why I wanted to do my podcast. And I love that there are so many other podcasts out there and, and that, you know, so many of us are cooperating and going on each other’s shows and, and supporting each other and just sharing stuff on Instagram because.
You have so many people out there, and for, for every story you hear, whether it’s a U f O sighting or a Bigfoot encounter or a ghost story, how many more stories are out there that have never been told? Because they don’t wanna run to Mo Fon and say, I saw a U F O. Or they don’t wanna run to the B F R O and say, I saw a Bigfoot.
You know, or they just don’t know that they can. Um, people are afraid. People are, you know, and a lot of these stories become very personal and they say, all right, I saw what I saw, or I experienced what I experienced, and I just don’t ever wanna talk about it again. And I, I think a lot of those people are just afraid because they’re afraid of ridicule, they’re afraid of not being believed.
Uh, and it’s kind of like what I said earlier on in the show. You have these people who will kind of, you know, ah, UFOs and blah, blah, blah, but then once they find out that you believe and that you investigate this stuff, or you have a podcast, then they’ll kind of pull you aside and say, Hey, you know, can I, can I talk to you about this weird thing I saw?
Once they know that there’s this acceptance, they’re, they’re much more willing to, to share. And I, I think that’s what the podcast’s greatest strength is, is just being able to bring this stuff out into the light and show that it’s, it’s people aren’t crazy, you know, and skeptics and the media want to paint everybody who sees these things as, you know, rednecks or drunks or teenagers or there’s just this, you know, sort of really nasty connotation to anybody who’s seen something, whatever it is.
Uh, cuz it’s easier just to laugh and say, no, you know, you were drunk, you were high, you’re just an undereducated redneck. Or, you know, these terrible stereotypes when that’s very rarely the case. It’s, it’s usually just really sincere. who have had an experience that they can’t explain, they can’t understand, and yet they really don’t have anywhere to turn.
So I, I do think these podcasts and, and, and bloggers and just, you know, all of us who are out there trying to do this and just get people to tell their stories, to know that they’re accepted. There’s no judgment. You know, that we believe your experience. We believe you experienced what you experienced.
And maybe it was a misidentification, but I believe that you saw what you say you saw, or you think you saw what you say you saw. Yeah,
[00:55:31] Jeremiah: I a hundred percent agree with that. So what is next for your show? Um, do you have any special plans or just kind of unfolding more stories?
[00:55:43] Jason: It, it’s, yeah, it’s, it’s more un unfolding, more stories.
Um, I’m constantly on the lookout for new guests, new. new directions to go in. Like I said, I I, I do have a few people. I’m gonna speak to you about some true crime stuff. Uh, I have a Christmas episode coming up where we’re gonna talk about Christmas horror movies, which I, I think will be cool. Just, you know, you don’t really talk about that.
Everybody talks about Halloween horror movies, so we wanted to do like a Christmas episode. Um, I do want to feature more podcasters on, I mean, when, when I first started the channel, like in the description on my Instagram, I think it still says, you know, people with interesting stories and, uh, interesting people in the field.
And again, not that I’m opposed to the big names. I would love to speak to some of the big names. I’ve spoken to Seth Breedlove. Um, but I, I guess for me it’s, what can I ask them that they haven’t already been asked a hundred times? What can I contribute to the, the field from my interview? They haven’t already said.
So it’s not that I don’t wanna speak to them, it’s just I leave that to better interviewers than myself, and, and more experienced interviewers than myself. Um, of course, if they ever wanted to come on the show, I’m happy to have them. Um, but yeah, my, my, my deal was really more to showcase the, the laypeople who’ve had experiences and just people who are trying to get the word out there.
So fellow podcasters, fellow bloggers, fellow authors, uh, people who are, are just kind of entering the field and need a voice, you know? Um, there, there are a lot of the big names out there who don’t need a voice cuz they’re on every single show. They’re on every single documentary and that’s awesome. And it’s not that I don’t wanna speak to them, it’s just let others deal with that.
Better qualified people than, than, than I. So I, I want to just really showcase. guys like you and me and and other people. I know we have that sort of chat on Instagram that we’re, we’re dealing with, where we’re all sort of connecting and it’s awesome, just like I said, to see each other, you know, all of us supporting each other and trying to help each other out and recommend guests.
And I, I think that’s super important. You know, cuz you do see a lot of territoriality in, in most fields, but especially in the paranormal field where it’s, you know, oh this is my big foot hunt hunting ground. I don’t want anybody to know. And that’s, that’s, you know, this place is haunted but I don’t wanna tell anybody else about it cuz we wanna be the only ones investigating so we can get territorial, you know, territorial.
And I love that. I, I dunno how many of us are in that group now, but there’s a bunch of podcasters and, and, uh, content creators in that group. And we’re all collaborating and it’s awesome. And I don’t Did you, did you start that group or were you part of starting that group or? I, I, I kind of lost track
Yeah.
[00:58:18] Jeremiah: I started it. I started it and I just Oh, that’s awesome. Just went through like my list of other shows that I was following and just, I started adding people. I was like, the
[00:58:29] Jason: more the merrier. . Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was a great idea and it’s just, it’s taken off and more people keep jumping in and it’s amazing.
Dude, that, that was great that you did that and I really appreciate the chance to come on your show and talk to you cuz I, I’ve been listening and, and following you for a while and it, it’s, you know, we all kind of get set on our own shows and our own, you know, gotta find a guest, gotta do editing, gotta, you know, then live your life otherwise, and it, it’s hard sometimes to connect with other content creators.
So, th this was awesome. This is, this is awesome. Yeah, thanks
[00:58:57] Jeremiah: for coming on. Um, where can people find you?
[00:59:00] Jason: Uh, so we’re on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, just look under odd and Untold. You’ll find us. We we’re usually the one, the first one to pop up. It’s, it’s, it’s a good name cuz it’s, it’s not too common. You know, there’s not a lot of other things out there called Odd and Untold.
Uh, but yeah, we’re on Instagram, we’re on Twitter, we’re on YouTube, we’re on all the podcast platforms, so Spotify, apple, Google, um, so yeah, very easy to find. Just odd and untold and, uh, we’re out there so give us a listen and, uh, likes and subscribes, , if you will. It helps the channel staying for Jeremiah.
Give him likes and subscribes cuz he’s got an awesome show. Yes,
[00:59:38] Jeremiah: yes. Make sure to like, and, uh, leave a rating and a review. Um, only if it’s good though. Don’t gimme a bad review. . No, I’m just kidding. An honest review. Um, but yeah, it does help out. And thank you again for coming on and speaking with us.
[00:59:53] Jason: Yeah.
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it, man.