[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow, terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina mountains. Welcome to the what if they’re wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything, your reality is about to be shattered.

Welcome back my fellow terrestrials and thank you for tuning in today. We’re gonna have an awesome interview with Earl gray, Earl gray Anderson. He is the head of Southern California moan. And, uh, he’s gonna talk to us today about obviously UFOs, aliens, abductions. It was a very good conversation. So I think you’re really gonna enjoy it.

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Welcome to the what if the wrong podcast, I’m your host, Jeremiah. And I’m joined today by Earl gray Anderson and he is the head of the Southern California muan, which is a mutual UFO network. And we’re gonna be talking today about. UFOs aliens, abductions, the whole phenomenon figured there’s no better person to get on than one of the head of moan.

And I’m sure he has a lot of stuff to present to us. And his knowledge is pretty vast and definitely something we can gain knowledge from. So let me introduce him now. Hello, Earl

[00:02:30] Earl Grey: gray. Hi there, Jeremiah. How are you doing? I’m good. How. I’m doing great. It’s a little hot out here in Southern California today.

Oh, reached 104 yesterday. I not, I haven’t ventured outside yet. I’m a little scared. My, my cats and I are just hudling with the air conditioner.

[00:02:50] Jeremiah: yeah. It’s like someone turn on the oven out there. Oh,

[00:02:53] Earl Grey: I know. It’s crazy. You could probably, you know, bake a pizza or something. on the sidewalk. So, uh, so you guys, you, you wanna talk UFOs, huh?

oh yeah. Yeah. Because I like to do that. I, you know, it’s my obsession

[00:03:08] Jeremiah: yeah. My I’m starting to become obsessed with it myself. Uh, the whole alien abduction phenomena, especially. And I had said to you before that, you know, I just read Dr. Jacob’s book and I read Jim Mar’s alien agenda and I’ve read some LA Marzuk stuff and just the whole thing.

Really fascinates me. And it’s like, I’ve learned so much, but yet I know basically nothing and that seems to be the case is like, you kind of get pieces here and there and you kind of gotta piece ’em together and then come up with your own, uh, conclusion of what you think is going on. So I’ll ask you first, what do you think is going on with the whole like UFOs, alien abduction?

Like I know there’s different camps out there. Like some people say they’re interdimensional, some say they’re from outer space. Some say a combination of some and then a bunch of other theories out there. So what is your personal, uh, view on the whole phenomenon?

[00:04:19] Earl Grey: I, I think they’ve always been here. I’m, I’m one of those guys.

I, I think that we’re perhaps even their project, uh, that they’ve had their hand in, in, in human evolution. And that it goes back to time memorable, um, as far as where they come from. I, I think that, uh, it’s both dimensional and, uh, inter stellar. Uh, also, I, I, I think that, you know, we do live in a multiverse there and the other dimensions, uh, may mirror this one very closely.

So in other dimensions, uh, things are close to what they are here, but the further you go out, it, it gets a little stranger and more different, uh, you know, as, as you go out dimensionally. So, uh, they, they may be coming from, you know, alpha Tari, or even from a earth in another dimension. It would be as easy as walking through a door.

You know, I think that they’ve mastered portal technology, um, that they’re thousands of years ahead of us. Uh, there’s, there’s a, a scientist, uh, rich Hoffman that has, has a, uh, investigatory group. Uh, he’s not with Mohan anymore, but, uh, I, I was speaking with one of his scientists, very, very intelligent, uh, you know, guy with, with, you know, quite a few degrees on the wall and PhD and all that.

And he was saying that he believes that, uh, from what they have seen and, and, and how that, what they used for propulsion. I mean, they, they did a deep, deep study on the tic TAC, uh, case that happened out here, uh, near Catalina island with an USS Nimitz in the Princeton, uh, Kevin Day. Who was you? Part of all, that was the strike force commander on the Princeton.

Uh, he’s the guy that first saw thetic TAC type UFOs that was on the radar, you know, and they were seeing these things coming down from, uh, low earth orbit down to sea level and then shooting back up again. Ooh, we have a loud airplane out there. if it’s the men in black, maybe. Yeah. I’m saying too much.

Alrighty. I barely opened my mouth but um, he was telling me that, that what they’ve seen, uh, as far as propulsion and what they can do that they’re like 5,000 years ahead of us at least. Um, and, and that doesn’t surprise me. I mean, the tic TAC itself was traveling at mock 18, 18 times. The speed of sound.

Uh, it didn’t make a single Sonic boom. It should have made 18 of them. It should have sounded like a, the world’s biggest thunderstorm. Uh, it was making 190 degree turns and, uh, I’m guessing it wasn’t killing the, the pilots that were inside. Uh, as far as it being unmanned, I don’t know why you would make, uh, something that was 40 feet long, that, that didn’t have a pilot.

That was a drone. There would be easier ways to do that. I, I think that they were, that thetic TAC was piloted certainly under intelligent control. And, uh, that, you know, Rich’s guys, they, they, they, and, and Kevin Day as well, he had a team out at seal beach. They recently made that the movie, uh, tear in the sky, I think it’s called, uh, and they, they had all manner of monitors and scientific equipment, uh, at this beach house where he had gathered this group of scientists to study this phenomenon.

And whenever they would have a head UAP, they would come out of the ocean, you know, and it, they were actually getting Gama rays from the object. Uh, there’s only two things that can produce gamma rays, a black hole, or a neutron. and their belief is, is that for propulsion, our visitors are using a mini black hole.

They use a thing called quantum metrics. Uh, and, and what happens is they carry this black hole with them and it creates, uh, a gravity, well, a dip in, in gravity and, and the ship just kind of falls into that. Constantly, never falls in it’s a mini black hole, right. But just the attraction of the craft to the black hole is where they get that speed.

And apparently they carry their own physics with themselves because I mean, you can’t make 190 degree turn like that and survive, you know, you’re, you’re gonna be a little splash on the wall, uh, pardon in the gross, uh, imagery there, but that that’s, that’s, that’s what would happen, but, uh, that it was doing what, you know, what it was meant to do, what it was designed to do.

And, uh, there’s nothing that we have that could do that. Uh, MI Coco, the, the, the famous, popular science scientist recently came out and said that, you know, that don’t believe what they’re telling you. There’s nothing that Russia, China or America has that could possibly do this. It’s so advanced from anything we have, uh, it would be like showing an iPhone to a caveman, uh, the, you know, you, how do, how do you tame a black hole?

How, how do you carry a black hole with you? But that’s the only, I mean, it’s amazing. I mean, that’s what throws off gamma Ray. So apparently that’s what they’re using, uh, to, you know, propel these objects with .

[00:09:58] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely, definitely makes sense. Like the rate of speed that they can go and like do pinpoint turns that like none of our aircraft can do, like, there’s gotta be a way that they can.

Go around the physics of our planet and all, or as our reality as we know it. So yeah, there has to be a way they can, you know, like you said, carry a black hole around or bend space time or something, kind of like a Dr. Strange. And like ,

[00:10:32] Earl Grey: that’s, that’s a good, yeah. A good example. It is like a graphic novel.

It’s crazy. I. I think the biggest problem that, that, you know, your scientists in any field have have had with this phenomena is, is that it’s just so absurd. And it, it just like, you know, snubs its nose, you know, Isaac Newton and says, no, , uh, the, you know, we, we don’t follow those rules of physics. We have our own, I, I think that they, uh, it’s just the most interesting, amazing phenomena.

And, and, uh, you know, I, I, I began doing this. Uh, I, I became a Mo on field investigator about seven and a half years ago now. And it was one. It’s it’s the great adventure of my life, you know, I, I just, I love it. Uh, and it, but it’s so mysterious and, and, you know, you just have to have an open mind, but try not to let your brain fall out.

Right. You can’t, you know, but you gotta keep that open mind and, and still, you know, of course, I mean, in moan we use a scientific method. I mean, the moans creed is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity. And so we. Keep the sciences intact, but, uh, boy, boy, this is way beyond anything that we have.

And you know, it’s, it’s like the population of an ant hill looking up at a skyscraper, an airplane and trying to understand it. yeah. I can understand why our physicists and scientists are, are, are offended by, by this phenomenon. It’s it’s got to, you know, it’s absurd by design in a way it’s, uh, it’s crazy.

And I think it goes way back. I think that if you read the Bible or read the Greek myths, you know, read the history of Samaria and Babylon, uh, that, that they, uh, that we’ve had contact, uh, worldwide, you know, and it’s, it’s nothing new. What’s new. Now finally government officials are, are saying, yes, this is, this is something it’s not crazy people.

Um, this is a real phenomenon now. They don’t understand it.

[00:12:51] Jeremiah: now what’s your take on them releasing all this information recently. Do you think it’s leading up to something or do you think they just can’t hide it anymore or what do you, why? I don’t think they can hide

[00:13:03] Earl Grey: it. They can’t hide it anymore. I don’t think that they wanted to disclose, I don’t think they wanted to disclose, but there were just too many people that knew about it and the videos got out.

What are they gonna say and do. . Everybody that saw that video, that was a, you know, a Navy pilot knew exactly what it was and where that came from. So they had to answer questions, but they’re acting like they’re dumb. Like it’s some new thing they’re suddenly interested in, but we know, you know, through, through FOYA requests that we put in the freedom of information act, uh, they have to release a lot of this stuff and, and their interest in UFOs goes way back to the 1940s.

You know, it’s not nothing new . Yeah. But, but it is new for them to admit that it’s a real thing and that it they’re stumped by it. They, they don’t understand it. Now,

[00:14:00] Jeremiah: do you think, um, the government is communicating with aliens or whatever these beings are

[00:14:08] Earl Grey: that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. would it, would it surprise you?

[00:14:12] Jeremiah: No, not at all. Not that they are

[00:14:15] Earl Grey: I think so. I, I, I, I think that, uh, you know, people wonder why disclosure proper hasn’t happened. Right. I really don’t think that humanity, a lot of us are, are really ready for it. Just any new idea or anything is, you know, people get angry, they, you know, , they March on the white house or whatever, you know?

It just, uh, and, and imagine if they came out and they said, yeah, we’re being visited. We can’t protect you from them. They’ve been here since forever. Um, we, uh, There you go, have a nice day. Well, yeah, like people would be, you know, building bomb shelters and, you know, there would be a rush for tin, foil hats.

People would probably rush the banks afraid of, yeah. I mean, it could cause all kinds of problems and I don’t think the government wants to see that. And I don’t think our visitors wanna see upheaval here. So I think that they do what they’ve been doing and, and people will see a UFO or they’ll have a face to face anomalous encounter with beans.

Uh, and, uh, and that’s how they work. Uh, it, it’s almost like, uh, animal sanctuary that we would have. And, and what do you do? You know, you go and you’ll tranquilize the lion first and you go and you do medical tests, get blood and do all that stuff. Uh, make sure everything’s okay. Then you go, and if the lion could speak, you would probably say I’ve been abducted by anomalous, uh, humans.

It’s the same thing for us, you know? I will say that the, you know, the experience surf phenomena, abductions visitations, it is very, very, very real. The people that report having had these anomalous encounters are not just a bunch of Hicks or idiots. They’re, they’re PhDs, doctors, lawyers, nurses, and, and garbage collectors and window washers and, and working class heroes.

You know, uh, I, I was a nurse just recently retired. I’m, I’m glad because I wouldn’t have time to work 12 hour shifts and, and do everything that I’m, you know, doing right now. You know, we’re hands on at Mo on people will see a UFO. And just for your listenership out there, if you see a U F O uh, just go to, it’s M U F O.

and on the front page, it will say report a UFO or, you know, report, uh, an entity encounter. I’ll take you like 15, 20 minutes to fill out that little form and write a little narrative about what happened. Your spelling doesn’t have to be great, or you can be Ernest Hemingway, but it doesn’t matter. Um, that will go to, uh, the one we work regionally.

So I get all the, all the sightings in Southern California. I think we had 80 of them last month. And, uh, I see every one of those reports and I’ve got a team of field investigators that I assign each one, two, and they’ll do a deep dive and figure out if it was, uh, if it was an identified flying object.

And we got plenty of drone reports, we. You know, people that will see a Mylar balloon that’s, you know, flashing the silver side and it looks like it’s sending them messages and stuff, or, you know, the drones are, you know, one of the, you know, IFOS that are real popular now, but we’re, you know, we can go and we can figure out what it was.

And if we can’t figure out what it was, then you’ve got an unknown, a UFO and. That’s maybe five to 10% of the accounts that come in, a lot of people will see the planet Venus, or, you know, they’ll see the, the ISS space station. It looks like a little cross that’s going across, you know, across the CTIC. And, and we’re, we’re, it’s gotten to the point now.

I mean, I’ve personally closed 808 UFO, uh, cases myself. And, but a lot of ’em I can read like the first two sentences, you know, as, and, and I’ll know what it is, you know, we, we had like, uh, in San Diego we had, uh, anomalous lights that, that, uh, in the sky about three nights ago, And, uh, it turned out that it was the coast guard doing a, usually the Navy will let people know beforehand now because they know they don’t wanna scare everybody.

The coast guard, not so much. So the whole city of San Diego, they thought that they were being invaded by et, but it was actually the coast guard doing, uh, night training and they’ll use a they’ll shoot flares up with little tiny parachutes. You can’t see the parachute, but you do see the flare and it’ll be there looking like it’s in formation.

These certainly did. But I took a look at the video and I knew exactly what it was, was like, yeah, this, the military is doing something out there tonight. Now wasn’t there. And that’s a lot of what we do, you know, wasn’t

[00:19:27] Jeremiah: there a video, I don’t know what year or anything, but where they had those multiple lights and the government tried to play it off as they were just like flares, but

[00:19:39] Earl Grey: like a lot that would be the Phoenix lights.

Is that what it was? Yeah. Uh, back in 1997, and that that’s a different story. Um, with that one, there were thousands of people that saw full on spacecraft. Uh, one was about a mile across triangular shaped. Um, they had various shapes, various craft that were seen, uh, they were seen from, uh, Arizona out to, uh, Utah.

And, uh, after the event, the military sent up flares and tried to blame the whole thing on that. This is their way of not disclosing , but no, that was, that was a real thing. That was an anomalous, uh, that, that was a fleet of, uh, UFOs. Yeah. And didn’t the, uh, my, my friend, uh, Dr. Lynn Katai she’s, uh, she has the film, the Phoenix lights, and she was sort of one of the first people that saw that and, uh, yeah.

Is a very, very real thing. Yeah.

[00:20:39] Jeremiah: Didn’t the mayor or governor, whoever come out in like an aliens face suit to like mock it and then later yes. Recounted that and said, yeah, something happened.

[00:20:49] Earl Grey: That was governor Simonson and, and, uh, yeah, he came out with a guy in an alien suit and made a big, made a joke about it and it didn’t go over very well.

No, he, he lost the election, I believe, probably because of that. Um, but yes, he did come, uh, he later on said that he went to the top of a Mount and he had been hearing about this and he saw the mile long craft kind of flew right over him. And he just watched this thing with his jaw drop down to the ground and, uh, yeah, he’s, he’s he’s uh, he knows that we’re not alone.

yeah. It’ll have a huge impact on you when you see a UFO. You’ll know what it is. There’s no question in your mind. Um, and, and it changes a person’s.

[00:21:38] Jeremiah: yeah, for sure. And, um, where I’m at in Carolina, there’s the brown mountain lights, which probably aren’t a UFO, but it’s some weird phenomenon where . Um, but also,

[00:21:51] Earl Grey: yeah, I mean, there are atmospheric phenomena that will look like a UFO and that’s one of our jobs is trying to figure out and pick apart what people saw and then some people, I mean, I’m, I’m their buzzkill.

You, you don’t want to tell somebody that they were looking at a Mylar balloon and I, you know, I, I I’ve learned to you. I mean, you just have to be sweet to people and, and, and be kind and informative and let them know, Hey, you know, I would, I, this is what I do. I, if I had seen that, I would’ve thought that it was something too.

So, uh, keep looking up next time at, you know, maybe a Starship

[00:22:33] Jeremiah: yeah. There’s also, um, and it. Hugely talked about, but I’ve heard about UFOs coming out of like lakes and stuff like that. Um, yes.

[00:22:45] Earl Grey: I don’t know. There’s a connection with water. Yeah. So most of the impressive cases that I’ve been getting off the coast of California, um, I had, I have a case I, I closed, uh, about a year ago, uh, is a commercial pilot, his wife and brother-in-law, they were camping on east Catalina island.

And this guy is he, he flies across California along the coastline. That was his usual flight path. And so he’s very good at dead reckoning. And knowing how far away something is by the naked eye. Plus, he had binoculars with him, which was helpful. Cell phone was in the tent, unfortunately, but he watched this.

Huge sphere. I guess you could call it an orb, but I mean, it, it was, it was like the sphere that was maybe 200, 300 feet across come out of the water and he called his wife and his brother-in-law out. So there were three sets of eyes on this thing. He said it was about 10 miles off of the coast of Catalina island, uh, equidistant from the mainland.

So it was 10 miles away from the mainland. A golden sphere comes outta the water and it starts doing this pattern of like a crosswise pattern up and down, back and forth. He watched this for a while and then it shot back down into the water. Had binoculars on it. Said it was just bright, like plasma, like this little miniature sun, not quite that bright, but.

You know, it was just perfectly spherical. Uh, a couple seconds went by and the thing comes out of the water. Again, this time, it just HAES there hovering maybe 200 feet in the air, and then they watched this thing shoot out of the atmosphere. So that was off of Catalina island. And that was something’s underwater there.

I think so many reports are going out. Um, I really want to get a dive team together and take them out to the coordinates. This guy, thankfully, he actually had the coordinates. Uh, when I heard about it, I called up Kevin Day, who is the Strikeforce commander that, that reported thetic TAC at first. And Kevin knew the exact coordinates of where they saw thetic TAC.

And he said, oh my God. He said the pilot, what, what he saw, those are the exact same coordinates of thetic TAC. So that’s where we sent the jet. So I think there’s something underwater there off of east Catalina island.

[00:25:26] Jeremiah: Yeah. I wonder if they have like bases underneath these bodies of water, because I hear about them coming outta different lakes and, uh, stories of that kind of stuff and kind of makes you think that they might have something down there.

And they probably also know that we don’t search down there. mm-hmm so, yeah, it’s definitely a way to hide themselves.

[00:25:53] Earl Grey: well, the military, they get the, you know, in the boomers, uh, submarines, uh, I know a few people that, uh, they, they get anomalous hits. They call them fast walkers and, uh, it happens all the time and it’s something that’s moving faster than anything that we’ve created.

It’s like UFOs moving through the air. It’s almost like some kind of spacial Telon they use. For their craft, but they, they move and they move fast, you know, mock 18 under water for God’s sakes. And, uh, so that, I, I think that that’s a really good supposition that they probably do have a base that they use.

It’s a good place to hide something. That’s for sure. I mean, it can be underwater and underground, you know that, I mean, I know the military even looked into doing that. There there’s, you know, blueprints hypothetical blueprints, they came up with way back in the 1950s to show how you could do, uh, underground base under the ocean.

So I would guess that they probably have something like a facility down there, our visitors do. So

[00:27:02] Jeremiah: now for the UFOs themselves, I know you have different like shapes and sizes and stuff like that. Do you think, um, , they are different species of aliens. I don’t know what term to use, but like, cause you know, you hear about the Nordic and the, uh, draconian ones or uh, whatever.


[00:27:26] Earl Grey: there’s all manner of beings. I mean, we, we see a lot of the little gray guys, of course, you know, you’re kind of four foot tall with the big black eyes and uh, you see tall gray aliens that kind of look similar, but, uh, are, are more, you know, comparable to our height, like five and a half feet tall as usual.

You’ve got the more, uh, reptilian type, uh, ETS that are out there. Hear bad stories about them, but I hear good stories about, uh, about certain reptilians. So, they, you know, it’s just like humanity. I mean, we might look the same, but talking to people that are gonna have different beliefs and philosophies, and, and I think it’s the same thing with our visitors.

Um, and you know, you’ve got the tall whites, the Nordics, and there are other beans that look more like us, perhaps that’s intentional. I mean, if, if you want to go and study a planet, how better to do it than to look just like the inhabitants of that world. So I, I think that, that they’re here among us, you know, they’re, they’re, uh, certainly involved with, uh, I think they always have been, we’re interesting to them.

  1. So the big human soap opera , you know, yeah. Forget life gets boring, go to earth, you know, you’ll see revolutions and wars and crazy ni you know, rock concerts, and it runs the gamut. , you know, we may just be a great vacation site. I don’t know. Um, but there you

[00:29:04] Jeremiah: go. Yeah. So for the whole abduction side of it, like, what, what’s your take on the abduction side?

Like what do you think the purposes of it and why are most accounts pretty much the same as far as like, they’re really interested in our reproductive system and, um, about our human makeup and stuff like that. So what’s your take on it from what you’ve researched.

[00:29:36] Earl Grey: well, there was, uh, a period of time where people were having their DNA taken pretty regularly.

And that seemed to be the, the main motive of abductions and visitations. You you’d hear the same story over and over and over again. Um, that seems to have calmed down over and in, in recent years, the last five years, six years or so. Um, you don’t hear as much about DNA collection. Uh, there’s more like teachable moments and people get downloads of information that is supposed to be activated when needed.

Uh, if there’s some future, I guess, disaster or something, they wanna make sure that humanity is, is not destroyed by it. And, and that, you know, that there’s knowledge that’s here. That’s not just in a library or on, on your computer. I mean, if, if God forbid society were to collapse, uh, most of the information that we have now is digitally, you know, collected and, and that’s, you know, even the books I read anymore is I just read ’em on my Kindle, you know?

So I think that there’s some of that going on with abductions, a lot of teachable stuff. I have a cop here who, uh, Was abducted from his squad car. He was out doing his rounds. There was a bridge where, um, they would have a lot of, you know, homeless, people would drink and stuff and he would go, that was on his beat.

So he would go and check this area out. He parked his squad car there. And, uh, he was just, you know, he had his little computer system that they used to to write, you know, their reports. So he is doing that and suddenly there’s this bright light. He thought somebody had a flashlight shining at him. Uh, so he is looking, you know, you, you, you know, he had every reason to think, well, maybe I’m at risk.

So he’s looking out the window and, uh, the light kept getting closer and closer. And the, the man was, um, he said that the, and I’ve heard this before, you know, it’s like the dash board of his car. It was like Tesla, like a Tesla coil. This energy was, you know, spinning around on, on his dashboard. Uh, and the next thing he knows, he said that he had two hours of missing time.

Uh, and when he was cogent again, when he, he was back in his car, he said that he felt like a fish outta water at first. Like he hadn’t taken a breath in a while. Uh, but the man had a download of, of, uh, mathematics and it kept going on for a month. He would go to sleep at night. And he would see, this is just absurd, but I mean, the phenomenon crazy, you know, it just nuts.

He would see this little thin gray hand with four fingers, holding a little pointer with a Blackboard and was teaching him. He, he said that they were teaching him about zero point energy. Uh, he had a month of this and he thought it was so ironic because he was a D student in math. That was like the one thing he couldn’t get his head around after a month, it suddenly stopped.

Now, this guy, you have to realize he was honest. When they were looking for him, they, they were trying to contact him the other, the, the, the police station. And he wasn’t answering his, his phone for like two hours. Wasn’t answering the calls. He told them what happened to him. So he was like, leave it to you to get abducted.

You know, all of his, uh, friends, you know, that, that he worked with and colleagues, but he came to move on, hoping to get, uh, hypnotically regressed by somebody so that, because all that information had left him, he was told with his last meeting, with this gray thin, you know, de hand with the, the, the pointer, he said that, that this will come back to you when it is needed.

And. That was it. You know, he didn’t have any more abductions, no more alien contact. It’s like they wanted to give him this thing that would be activated some days, as far as I know, he was not able to get to the information even through hypnosis, uh, is deep there in his mind. And I’m, I’m guessing that, you know, if it’s needed in our future, that you’ll have the, you know, what that, which will solve every energy problem on earth.

They think that zero point energy is the way to go. It’s sheep clean and, uh, and very powerful, but we don’t know how to do it. Apparently our visitors do. And apparently there’s this police officer out there that has that locked in his brain. So that’s one of the reasons why, you know, things like that. We see a lot of stuff like that with abductions and visitations.

Um, you still have some people that, that have their DNA taken. Oftentimes it’ll just be by taking blood. Uh, your DNA is in your blood, uh, or, you know, the other ways that you’ve probably read about, you know, national Inquirer just loves alien probes and stuff like that, but people don’t usually get probed, but sometimes they would have semen or ova, uh, taken from no, that happened a lot, you know, from like the 1970s up until maybe six, seven years ago.

Uh, now you hear about that, but it’s, it’s much more rare. And my guess is perhaps we were stockpiling our DNA in case we destroyed ourselves. They could start us up again, uh, or maybe. You know, I, I sometimes wonder about the aliens that look like us. Um, maybe they, you know, maybe they’re gene tailored and, and, and purposefully by them.

Uh, I don’t know that they naturally, I mean, why would nature favor two arms, two legs and ahead, you know, I mean, the way an octopus’s body works is, is great, you know, , you have eight arms to, to, you know, do whatever you’re doing. Uh, so I, I sometimes wonder if, if it’s for our benefits, that we’re not afraid of them, that makes it easier for them to get around or certainly to blend in.

You know, if, if you see, you know, you saw an octopus, you know, walking down the street, you know, you, you’re not gonna be so apt to talk with them, but if it’s just some pretty girl behind the counter and, and your, your drug store or wherever, um, that’s a good way to find out about humans is to live among.

So that’s my guess with a DNA gathering. Yeah. It’s um, for whatever reason, it’s not real popular anymore, they don’t seem to be doing it so much. Yeah.

[00:36:27] Jeremiah: The whole thing just fascinates me, like in the, um, hybridization program where you hear a lot of, and I’ve actually interviewed two ladies who claim to have been abducted and, uh, been shown children or babies and, uh, had their stomachs tampered with, or, you know, examinations of their unborn child.

And it’s just all fascinating and kind of makes you wonder, like, what’s the end game here? Is it like, are, are we Destin for failure? Cause I think this is just my opinion. My take from my research is I feel like time is kind of cycl cyclical and that there’s been. Civilizations before are known time. And I think the great pyramid is from a previous civilization.

That’s just kind of been taken over by, you know, our recorded history. But, um, I, I don’t know. I think it kind of makes you like, on one hand kind of scared on the other hand, it’s kind of like, well, maybe they’re helping us out, but on the other hand it might be like, maybe they know we’re gonna wipe each other out or wipe ourselves out and they need to use these hybrids to like replace us when we’re gone.

I don’t know. It’s just something I

[00:37:49] Earl Grey: think about perhaps. I mean, that’s certainly a theory. You know, I, I wish I could give you a positive answer about that, but I do know that our visitors are concerned about the way that we treat each other, the way that we treat the planet. I must have talked with at least 200 experiencers at this point, just because that’s what I do at MoveOn.

You know, I’m a executive committee member of the, uh, experience or re resource team at, uh, was started by Kathleen Martin, who was the niece of Betty and Barney hill. If you’re familiar with that, uh, it was the earliest, uh, oh yeah. Abduction case that we know about. But, um, we, we are more of a support for these people because it’s confusing.

Uh, it pulls your baseline reality out from under your feet, you know, people are afraid. Um, and, uh, and it’s more common than you would think. I mean, I’m constantly talking with these people that have, you know, that are having, uh, that have had an abduction or a visitation or that where they continually have them.

And it’s generational. . I mean, I have one gentleman who, uh, I, I took his, uh, case on about seven, six years ago. It was about six years ago, head of Homeland security at a major airport, highly educated man, a black building karate and a pilot. You know, he, he used to fly out to my moan meetings cuz he lived up, you know, closer to, uh, the San Diego area.

Uh, but uh, he, he was, uh, being visited when he was seven years old and his parents thought he was having night terrors. Uh, then the parents started noticing weird lights and, and, and just strange stuff was going. And, uh, now they, they accept the fact that, that, you know, their son was, was having these entities coming in and they would bring machines in that would float over his bed and they would take, you know, blood and DNA and elsewhere.

It was as though they were monitoring his health and, and, and his wellbeing, you know, uh, the man’s now an adult and, and he is the head of Homeland security at a major airport. And, uh, he found out that his birth father who he, um, didn’t know he had been adopted as a child, but he was, uh, he had a reunion with his, uh, birth father’s brother.

His father is, is, is gone. Now. He passed away, uh, talking to his uncle. Told his uncle about his, his history and his uncle told him, he said, my God, he said, your father told me the same exact story that you’re telling me. Said the people didn’t know about aliens or abductions and things back then, um, your, your father went through that.

I think that it might have made him insane. Finally, you know, uh, he kind of became a drinker in, in his later years. And, but, uh, now he’s, he’s kind of, he’s concerned, but he’s not worried. His daughter is, is, uh, you know, about 12, 13 years old, I guess. And, and there’s started to be some signs that she’s being, uh, visited as well.

So it’s, we got three different generations there. For my friend, we call him Mandy because I can’t, you know, we, we have to keep him safe. His job could be at risk if he came out and was known to be, you know, an alien abductee. But he, uh, his, uh, He feels, he was afraid at first, but he had the same entities visit him for like 40 years.

He gave them names when he was a child, they didn’t tell ’em a name. So he gave them names. He still calls them that they answer to it telepathically. They, they communicate not with their mouths, but with the mind we see that, you know, from case to case too highly telepathic our visitors. Apparently we have the potential to do that as well, but we’ve just kind of disabled ourselves.

I think by we’ve learned to vocalize and sing and we get our emotions out that way. Apparently that’s a rarity in the universe. I’ve heard that we’re one of the few, uh, uh, advanced cultures that never developed telepathy as, as a way to communicate. Um, but, uh, he, he believes that his entities are benevolent.

Uh, he, they, they hadn’t visited him for about two years. And I remember getting a phone call from Andy and him saying, I’m really concerned. My, my aliens have left me what what’s happened, you know, are they done with me? Or, um, and then about a month later, I got another phone call from him. He said, nevermind.

They’re back. . Yeah. And he was relieved. Now I. You know, I get other cases where, you know, I had one man that just hated his entities so much that he just wanted to be able to throttle them. I mean, he kept having the same implant put into his foot over and over and over again, he was a old, an elderly German man.

Um, he had had this thing removed six different times surgically and they would just paralyze him again in middle of the night and put it back in. Uh, he hated his entities and he felt like it was this intrusion. And, uh, you know, so there’s that, you know, people react differently to it. Uh, it seems like people that are in the military or involved with the military or the Pentagon, uh, tend to get the more militant entities as well.

Uh, I, I think that’s purposeful. I think that they’re trying to tell us something and, and they’re, they, they have scary encounters. Yeah, I I’ve got a, a Marine that was, uh, abducted through his Barrack ceiling. Uh, you know, his bunk mate noticed he was gone for all this time, you know, and, and then he said, he sees him in the middle of the floor covered with all these black marks.

And, and, and, and he’s just crying this big Marine, you know, your Marines don’t cry, but there he is just a mess. And, and he had to get him into the shower and try to get him because, you know, the guy was gonna be on guard duty in a few hours. Um, and for him as a counter was horrifying. I mean, the entities told him they were gonna steal his soul.

Uh, they, they, they, you know, showed him what looked like a robot that was menacing. Uh, you know, they, they didn’t paralyze him entirely. They, they kind of let this guy run around purposefully so they could show him that they could subdue. Uh, I don’t wanna meet those guys, you know, but I think, you know, having had so many cases now, I, I noticed that, you know, warriors get treated differently.

If you’re military, it appears that, uh, uh, sometimes you’ll get, uh, you know, kind of a warning that I don’t think is so much for that person, but just for humanity in general, that, uh, we’re still acting like barbarians. We are still killing each other as advanced as we are. We’re still acting like genus Khan out there.

Uh, same old problem. So the only problem is now we can destroy the whole planet, not just ourselves. And, uh, so people hear a lot of the two things that I hear from people are three things. Three messages people are left with is. You know, nuclear weapons, you need to get rid of them. You guys are gonna destroy yourselves.

They’ve shown us that they disapprove of, you know, there’s a friend of mine, Robert SOAs, who is the commander of a, of a ICBM base in Montana. Were hovered over by a UFO and, and it shot a laser down into where they had the missiles in, in the control room. He watched every single missile go offline.

It’s like, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Every one of them just, yeah, we can do this. and, and you know, it was, it was like the minutes were going by, you know, you asked to call up, you know, the Pentagon and all this stuff. I mean, this was, you know, they, they took down our nukes. Then they go back online just like nobody’s business.

It’s like boo, boo, boo, boo. Yeah, we can turn them off and we can turn them back on again. You know, uh, the guy up at the guardhouse was freaking out, uh, you know, is like the radio back and forth, just, you know, because there’s a flying saucer overing over the, their, their ICBM base. Um, so that, that was a message for us.

It is to say, you know, you may think that you’re powerful and, and, but, but we’re actually in control of these and, and it’s bad and you’re gonna kill yourselves. Uh, the other two things that people hear are you need to elevate yourselves, elevate your vibration. We’ll hear that. It’s like, what does that mean?

You know, but a lot of it has to do with spirituality. It has to do with being aware. I mean, people can find a deeper self through meditation or, you know, spirituality, but that apparently is important for us as a species. And, um, and we get, uh, we get warned about ecological disaster. People will see just trash piled up and up and up going out of the, out, out of the atmosphere, you know, which I think is just, you know, it’s giving them a mental image of what we’re doing to this world.

And, and people are told that this is a very rare planet, the biodiversity and the beauty of it. You have this gem and you treat it like a trash pile. So tho those are the three things that people, I hear it over and over and over again, some of these people have researched since they’ve had their encounters and they know something about the phenomenon, but the lions share of people are just confused.

They, they don’t have anything to compare it to. And, uh, we look for certain markers from case to case, and those are the three messages people are left with. Yeah. I’m

[00:48:18] Jeremiah: glad that you mentioned the, uh, nuclear thing, cuz I was gonna ask you that as well, like. There seems to be a huge UFO presence around nuclear reactors and during war times and stuff like that.

And makes you think that they’re, you know, Medling with our trajectory, like maybe they’re trying to prevent us from going overboard or cuz you always

[00:48:47] Earl Grey: hear about destroying ourselves perhaps. I mean, we hear that from case to case that you guys are gonna destroy yourselves and you don’t know how rare intelligence is in the universe.

I think it’s, you know, maybe they’re watching their science project going awry, uh, but. You know, and, and I know you were talking about that you had been reading David Jacobs and a lot of these guys, and a lot of these guys feel like it’s an invasion. I’m more with, uh, Dr. John Mack who put out a book called, uh, abduction.

And he was, uh, head of, uh, psychology at, uh, Harvard. I believe it was Harvard, Harvard. Uh there was a lot of blow back for him when he decided that, you know, this was a real phenomena and he, he threw himself into this great study of it. And he was one of the, you know, early people that you know, was doing hypnotic regression and, and then talking to abductee that it was a real thing, but he believes that, uh, it it’s that our visitors are much like us, that there’s benevolence.

And there’s some that are less benevolent. um, and I’m kind of in that school. I, I think that, uh, I don’t think that they’re all our space brothers, but I don’t think they are enemies or, or something that we should fear. We know they’ve been here at least since 1947 when the Roswell crash happened. And that was a spaceship.

I mean, I know the Jesse Marcel’s family, they’re all very dear friends of mine and they grew up hearing these stories. And, and, uh, I know my friend, Denise, Marcel, her, her father handled the, the memory medal is what they call it. After the Roswell crash, it was lighter than foil. Lighter. Light is a feather, but the Tenile strength, I mean, they shot bullets at it and, uh, it, it retained its shape, a bullet couldn’t harm it.

Uh, and if you would crumple it up, it would crumple up like foil, but then it would go back to its original shape. So it kind of got the, they. We call it memory metal for lack of a better term, maybe. Uh, but, but her father held that in his hands when he was 10 years old, his, her grandfather was a first official out to the Roswell, uh, debris field.

After the crash, it was about a square mile across, it was fanned out. It was something hit with a great force. And, uh, the, the main material that they found was this weird stuff that looked like foil, but acted like nothing that we had.

[00:51:27] Jeremiah: Um, yeah, I, a hundred percent, a hundred percent believe that Roswell crash was a real crash.

And I believe, well, this is just me personally, but I believe that there were alien bodies found and possibly living alien entity. And I think that there was some type of deal struck with the go. For secrecy in re exchange for like technology advancements, but that’s just what I think happened.

[00:52:02] Earl Grey: yeah, I, I I’m similar.

I have similar thoughts about it. Uh, the day after Roswell is a pretty good book. Uh, what’s his name, uh, Corso, uh, was an official that, uh, and, and he, he wrote a book called the day after Roswell, and it talks about how they, they took these materials to different, uh, universities, different, uh, aerospace companies.

They acted like they had gotten at, it was some foreign acquisition that spies had gotten it from another country and then figure this out. And apparently, you know, there were some electronics that were in there like circuitry. There was supposed to be fiber optics that they found. One of the technologies that supposedly came from this is, uh, night vision cameras.

It’s a very interesting story. My mom was connected with, uh, my mom was connected with the Pentagon. Uh, she actually worked for the Howard Hughes as one of his secretaries. And Chad have security clearance because she, you know, she, back then you would, you would dictate they, they would, they would have their meetings.

And my mom was like taking this stenography from these meetings and they also sent my mom out to a deep, underground military base. That’s a whole other story, but I grew up with this strange arcane knowledge. You know, my mom did like a little disclosure number on me when I was five thinking that I would never remember.

You know, you were a baby girl, you know, years later when I would keep asking her questions, you know, and she would just. Put her, you know, she’d face Palm and just say, I can’t, I wasn’t supposed to ever tell you that. And your mom could go to prison. You can’t talk about this. You know, I , I had to take oaths, you know, but she told me that, uh, you know, similar stories about the technology that, uh, apparently under the desert, they were trying to figure out how these things worked.

And, and I think there were bodies too. And I think there was a living one, there were two crash sites. You know, there was one in Corona, New Mexico, which was about, uh, 7,000 miles away from, from, uh, uh, the Roswell crash site. Apparently this scene, it, when it hit, uh, the, the habitat module. Was left in Corona and that’s where they found the bodies is, is the way the story goes.

The rest of this thing shot back up into the sky, like a super bowl and came back down in Roswell. And that was just the light material that they found there. So, uh, somebody from, uh, probably Wright Patterson, air force base, cuz that’s where they take, uh, you know, they would take materials. That’s where they took a Japanese zero that they acquired during world war II, you know, to reverse engineer certain things and figure out stuff.

So they, according to my sources, they, they that’s where they’ve taken a lot of the alien materials. Of course, Robert Bigelow’s aerospace company in, uh, Las Vegas, Nevada, apparently he’s getting, uh, a lot of interesting material samples and stuff out there. I don’t know if they’ve figured out how many of it works, but, uh, they sure are trying.

Yeah, for real. But, you know, if they were, if, if they were invading us or if they were evil, if there was all evil intent, I mean, they’d been here since at least 1947 and, and here we are, you know, we’re still doing the same old stuff, you know, fighting our wars and you know, the human soap opera or the human zoo, whatever you wanna call it.

Uh, we’re still here. And, and, uh, you know, if it was an invading force, they they’re doing a lousy job of it. so I, I don’t think that’s the intention. Uh, I don’t think that they’re here to steal our souls. I don’t think they’re here to, but I, I do think they’re concerned for us. I think that, uh, if you’re in the military, they may play, they may mess with you a bit.

Just kind of put us in our place. I I’m I’m gathering, uh, And, uh, but I think that whoever is overseeing whatever operation that is going on here, because there are a multiplicity of races that are visiting us, whoever’s in charge there’s rules and they, they can’t do certain things, you know, not supposed to harm us, not supposed tos.

Certainly. Um, whether that happens sometimes probably, I mean, we have people that break the law. Right. You know, so I guess that threat is probably there, but I don’t think that’s the core of what’s happening. Uh, I think that they’re worried for us that they’ve been here a long time that we’re our, we are their pet project and you, you watch your pet project going awry.

You’re gonna try to get it back on path. And I think that’s a lot of what we see.

[00:57:05] Jeremiah: Yeah. I, yeah, it does make you kind of wonder, cuz like you said, if. Yeah, they really wanted to exterminate us. Um, they would’ve done so already, especially how much more advanced technology they were at that time. And even still, like, we still can’t fly planes.

Like there are UFOs and all that stuff, so yeah, it definitely, um,

[00:57:30] Earl Grey: does. I think they’re concerned for us. Uh, they they’re worried that we’re going to destroy ourselves and I, I I’m like you too. I think that there’s a cyclical, a cyclical thing that happens with, with, uh, civilization. I, I, I think that our history only goes back so far and there’s been other civilizations before us, perhaps he looked exactly like us.

Maybe not. I don’t know, but, uh, I, I don’t think they wanna see us go that way. We we’ve been here a long time. Uh, they’ve been working with us for a long time and, and we’re, uh, I think that, that, that we may even be related to them. I mean, if they’ve been here, as long as I think they have, they may have had a hand in human evolution and it wouldn’t surprise me if, uh, they had, you know, given us some interesting DNA.

there are certain blood types that they just do not understand that have a propensity for healing, like O negative. My wife is O negative. She just doesn’t get sick, you know? And she just from, you know, and I know a lot of people that have that, and I I’ve heard that there’s, uh, some kind of anomalous connection.

Uh, the RH, uh, types of blood are, are, uh, interesting. And then they can’t really track where these, you know, blood lines came from originally. It’s like they pop into existence. So, uh, yeah, they’re interested in us, but I don’t think there are. Yeah, I don’t think so. Anything, I don’t think there are space brothers though.

Not necessarily some we’re like their, uh, some probably don’t

[00:59:07] Jeremiah: like us. We’re like their, uh, aunt farm. They just like watch us or we’re like the Sims that video game, the Sims, yeah.

[00:59:16] Earl Grey: oh my God. The alien Sims. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. If your Sims, you know, program up and did what it wanted to do and flipped the bird, you know, that’s more like us or reality TV, I’m guessing we’re pretty frustrating.

Yeah. Their reality TV. I don’t think that’s far fetched. I mean, you know, we, we wanna be entertained and, uh, people, their science project is sometimes, you know, becomes their, their joy as well. So, you know, uh, I think that we’re a work in progress and they don’t want to see us destroy ourselves that that’s I think the main motive.

So I’ll ask

[00:59:57] Jeremiah: one last deep question, I guess. Uh, what about the whole theory that their time travelers? I

[01:00:07] Earl Grey: think we can travel. I’ve heard that they can travel back in time. I don’t know that they can travel forward, but, uh, I’ve been told that time is a shared hallucination that we live in that makes it convenient for us as humans to hold a, you know, have a, have a time clock and clock in and clock out and stuff.

But, uh, that it’s much more malleable, more fluid than we think it is. And, uh, I, I believe that they can go back in time. Yeah,

[01:00:39] Jeremiah: I think so. Or like some people say there, our future selves, like future humans.

[01:00:46] Earl Grey: Yeah. Us from the, as jock filets, uh, as jock, file’s old, uh, theory and, and. I think some of it’s probably that, I mean, I had, uh, I was friends with, uh, the bass guitar player from the band.

Yes. Chris quire, uh, long story, but I’m a musician as well. And, uh, I, I, he married a, a mutual friend of ours and so I sort of, he wound up becoming a friend of mine and he had a, a UFO encounter back in 1977. He was in the UK going to a gig. Uh, he had his bus driver pull over cuz he had to use nature’s bathroom.

So there he was standing there. Peeing on a rock and he feels like some somebody’s watching him, just that feeling of eyes behind your back, you know, and he looks up and there is this right out of a science fiction movie, this, this a flying sauce, or about 40 feet across, uh, silver, no windows in it. But, uh, a little string of light spinning around like a carnival ride.

He said that he called them. He said they were garish looking lights, like you’d see in a carnival. Uh, he watched this thing tilt to its side and then shoot off into the distance in the blink of an eye and, and into the vanishing point. And it made quite the impression on Chris and he would, he would wanna talk about.

ETS, you know, till late at night, but he was asking me, uh, where do you think they come from? And I said, well, there’s one, you know, idea that some of these are us from the future, their time machines and maybe they’re human historians going back. And maybe that’s what happened with you. I mean, John Lyn told the same story.

I, I talked to, uh, John Lennon at the time was, was broken up with Yoko. He, he was with his, uh, old secretary, uh, may Pang and I’ve talked with may and she saw it. She was there, it was in New York. John calls her into the room. He says, what am I seeing? And are you seeing it too? Uh, he thought he might be having an acid flashback or something.

She comes out there and she said, oh my God, it’s a flying sous thing was hating in front of their picture window. Uh, they watched it go between buildings when it left, but it had the little screen of lights on the bottom. And I wonder. Maybe there’s like some music historian in the future, uh, going, going back, you know, into the past.

Uh, I wonder if the same, uh, flying saucer has been, was seen by Beethoven and, and Mozart and those guys too. I’d be, I guess I should do a deep dive into some, you know, music history to find out. So yeah, there, there may be some that are coming from the future. That might be us. Chris liked it so much. He wrote a song called aliens and the chorus is aliens are only us from the future.

Uh, you can find that on, on, uh, the YouTubes as put in Chris Squire, dash aliens, and the song will come up. I think he was inspired by our conversation to write it too. He never told me that, but it’s pretty close.

[01:03:49] Jeremiah: uh, it’s pretty

[01:03:50] Earl Grey: obvious.

[01:03:51] Jeremiah: Pretty pretty

[01:03:52] Earl Grey: obvious. Yeah. Thank you, Jeremiah. Oh, just, I’m gonna have to look that up.

Tell everybody. Yeah, everybody, you know, if, if what I’ve been talking about out there in, in, in listenership, uh, if it’s meaningful to you, if you’ve seen a UFO or you’ve had an en encounter, do go in and do put in, uh, a siding report, if you’ve seen entities, uh, you can put in a, the, we have a, a questionnaire, the E R T the exp the experience or resource team, uh, it’ll just say, uh, you know, experience or questionnaire.

You can fill that out. Somebody will get ahold of you. We’ll talk with you about your siding. And, uh, believe me, we, we have some amazing cases, so you’re not alone out there. That’s what we do. So yeah.

[01:04:43] Jeremiah: If, um, anyone wants to, uh, look at you or your works, or, um, get in contact with you, uh, how would they go about doing so.

[01:04:56] Earl Grey: Well, I’m on Facebook. I’m just Earl gray, but everybody can read my page. And I, I post a lot about what I’m doing. If I’m, you know, working on a, you know, documentary or radio show or a podcast like, like this one, uh, I’ll usually put it up there so people will know about it. Uh, if you have a burning desire to get ahold of me, um, I do have a Gmail account.

It’s Earl gray Anderson, uh, gray with a E G R E Y, uh, Anderson with an O Anderson. Son of Ander. Uh, so Earl gray Anderson, That’s that’s me. And, and, uh, I’ll get that. Um, other than that, uh, go to Uh, if you go to the experience or resource team page, I’m in there, and I’m also speaking at the Denver symposium in two weeks.

So if you’re in the Denver area, uh, do come and check us out. And what

[01:05:51] Jeremiah: does that all, uh, entail for anyone who doesn’t know?

[01:05:58] Earl Grey: There will be many speakers, very well known speakers. Uh, Kathleen Martin, that I was speaking of earlier, who is Betty and Barney Hill’s niece will be speaking. Uh, Peter Robbins, who, uh, was bud Hopkins, assistant.

Bud Hopkins was the guy that spearheaded experience or research. And, uh, Peter was there for all that for every hypnotic regression and, uh, he’s he’s written books and, uh, and, uh, amazing guy he’ll be speaking. Uh, and what I’m doing is, as I have on the Saturday and Sunday, I’m, I’m running an experience or workshop.

I’ll tell my own story because actually I am an experiencer. I’ve had a face to face and, and it’s a very real thing. Um, and, and I’ll be talking about that. I’ll be talking about some of our more amazing, uh, experience or cases where people have had, you know, have been abducted or con you know, visited.

And, uh, and then the floor will be opened up for people to share their own, uh, their own experiences. Uh, the press will not be invited. Uh, photos and stuff will not be allowed in the workshop because we, we, you know, respect people’s anonymity. And, it could be scary for somebody coming forward. Saying that they’ve met with aliens, but, uh, it it’s more common than you would think.

  1. I, I talk to so many people that have gone through this and they come from all walks of life. And, um,

[01:07:32] Jeremiah: if you’re not in the Denver area, is it gonna be available like after the fact, like, do you guys,

[01:07:39] Earl Grey: uh, I do know that they’ll have it available to stream through Mo on TV. I think that that’s, uh, I think it’s like 70 bucks a year or something. But that’s a vast library of, of just from all the symposiums, every speaker, uh, films and, and, and television shows.

And it’s, it’s all on there and I, I actually pay for it and it’s worth the subscription. I think. So, uh, the symposium, everything will be, uh, collected, filmed. And will be collected and, and will be watchable to the general public if you, uh, if you get a Mo on TV

[01:08:16] Jeremiah: subscription. All right. Sounds good. Well, thank you for coming on and speaking with us.

And, uh, I definitely learned some things. Also glued to your stories, cuz I love hearing about all that stuff and uh, every little bit of knowledge I can get. I like to, uh, keep it in my little memory bank.

[01:08:39] Earl Grey: me too. It’s addicting. Isn’t it? Yeah. It’s the most interesting thing on planet earth and it’s happening. And, it’s the act of phenomena it’s happening right now.

And it’s on in the newspapers, it’s on the news. They don’t laugh at it anymore. They don’t play the X files theme anymore. it’s being taken very seriously. You know? I mean the military has come forward and said, yes. It is real and they’re not ours and they’re not Russia’s or China’s. So, uh, that says a lot about, you know, it’s very different the times that we live in, it’s uh, kind of a blessing.

It’s amazing. So. Now is the time to check it out. Hopefully

[01:09:19] Jeremiah: that will let more people come forward that have had experiences and not be afraid of being laughed at or scoffed at it. Just opens up the door. Yes.

[01:09:31] Earl Grey: Yes it does. Yes, it

[01:09:34] Jeremiah: does. Well, thank you for coming on.

[01:09:38] Earl Grey: It’s my pleasure, Jeremiah. I’ll be back sometime if you want.

I, I enjoyed, uh, talking with you. Oh yeah, definitely.