In Plain Sight
[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow Terrestrials coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina Mountains. Welcome to the What If They’re Wrong podcast. The podcast that wants you to question everything. Your reality is about to be shattered.
Hello and welcome to the What If the Wrong Podcast. I’m your host Jeremiah, and I’m joined today by Tyler and Chris of Dioxide Media, and we’re gonna be talking about their new documentary in Plain Site, and they’re coming up on Steven Spielberg here. Their quality and everything is up there. They’re distributed on a lot of major platforms and they’re just rolling ’em out, and we’ll be talking to them about in Plain Site.
And then some of the new stuff coming. So I’ll introduce ’em now. Hello, Chris and
Tyler, it’s happening. Jeremiah, thank you so much for having us back, dude.
[00:01:08] Tyler: Yeah, so glad to be here, man. And thanks for the Steven Spielberg comparison. Um, I think he was like 29 when he directed Jaws. We’re both 37, but here’s what’s up dude.
He put out a movie every, what, I don’t even know, 5, 6, 7 years, whatever it was. We’re cranking out multiple docs a year, so I figure even though we got a little later start, we can surpass ’em here if we just keep grinding and hustling and having fun. Why are you Thanks. That comparison, man, like that really means a lot.
and dude, people, we’ve heard that before. I don’t know if everybody is just joking when they say that, but I don’t, I take it to heart. I’m like, bro, I, you have to have some sort of goal, right? And so I don’t think it’s egotistical or narcissistic or anything like that to be like, oh dude. , let’s try and surpass Steven Spielberg.
I think that’s a good place to aim for if we fall short, we’ll still be badass filmmakers. Right. But you gotta like set the bar high so you push yourself. Yeah. I will
[00:02:06] Jeremiah: say every documentary you guys do it like gets better and better and I can see the progression and like the production and everything like that.
And um, this last one in plane site will really hit it outta the park. I really, your guys’ documentary could be on everything. Netflix, Amazon, Disney Plus or whatever.
[00:02:27] Chris: That would be cool. I mean, that’s what we’re shooting for. Hopefully with one of these at some point we’ll get it on like a major platform like Netflix or something like that, Hulu.
Um, but yeah man, thanks. That means a lot. We do actively try and improve from every documentary and, and approach things a little bit differently. Um, sometimes experiment new techniques and stuff like that, but it’s all a learning process and it’s just, you know, it’s just Tyler and I so we don’t have any resources behind us really.
So, uh, we take our limitations and we, we try and find creative ways to make, you know, improvements, but we really appreciate you saying that.
[00:03:03] Jeremiah: Have you guys thought about maybe getting some sponsorships or something like that to like, help you out with like funding?
[00:03:10] Chris: Um, we’ve had discussion. Go ahead Tyler.
Yeah, talk about it.
[00:03:14] Tyler: I was just gonna say, you know, I, um, well one, it’s not outta the realm of possibilities that these get onto some. So for anybody listening in Plain Sight, the intelligence community and UFOs, it dropped. Oh man. Well, um, October 18th. October 18th on Amazon, apple tv, iTunes, Google Play, PlayStation, Microsoft Voodoo, and Vimeo.
So you can find it darn near anywhere, but we are, uh, certainly hoping, you know, we’ve had other great positive comments like yours, man, just saying, oh dude, yeah, this could be on whatever, a cable network, hbo, O Max, um, Netflix, all these things. So, uh, We’re gonna keep doing what we’re doing. And I think, I wouldn’t be surprised if the universe rewarded us with, you know, with some major, um, platform.
But for the time being, we’re gonna keep going. And it’s great that we keep building this catalog of these interesting, entertaining, uh, informative and thought provoking documentaries or paranormal documentaries. So like, if somebody happens to see the new one in Plain Sight, the intelligence community and UFOs, you know, hopefully, uh, if they’re that moved by it and enjoy it, they can look up, uh, Dockside Media and they’ll see, um, you know, uh, our other documentaries, conscious Contact, full disclosure, the Ghost of Gettysburg and Secrets of the Sasquatch on all those various streaming platforms.
Um, so hopefully we just keep building that catalog and we can give somebody, or everybody something like really cool to binge watch, uh, and expand their mind and, and generate some conversation and discussion about these really neat topics.
[00:04:47] Jeremiah: I didn’t, of course, wanted to say something.
[00:04:49] Chris: Well, I was gonna say, um, Oh,
[00:04:51] Tyler: sorry.
Somebody was, yeah, somebody approached us for backing. That’s what it was. My bad. Early on when we started filming Conscious Contact, full disclosure, and uh, I think in hindsight or whatever, five years from now, or even right now, you know, like just the offer was basically for like 20% of Dockside media, which at that point had zero documentaries out.
We only started shooting the first one. Uh, and it was like a nice, it was a nice chunk of change. I mean, we could have, I mean, it was just a nice chunk of change. And for whatever reason, Chris and I, we were just like, man, I, it just, it doesn’t feel right, you know? Um, and so thankfully we did maintain all ownership of Dioxide Media and it’s, it’s an llc, et cetera, and we’ve been able to just spend our own money for these flights and, and.
tickets to, uh, um, and hotels and rental cars and all this stuff to go interview these people. Uh, and then a lot of sweat equity with, you know, doing all the work ourselves and Chris being a great editor to craft these stories out of the footage that we log and, and make these ball and posters. Um, and it’s really cool.
Our distributor, 10 91 pictures, man, they even, uh, mentioned today to us. They said, quote unquote, you guys are by and far the best new filmmakers at 10 91 pictures. And we’re just like, dude, that is incredible. For two independent filmmakers who had this idea that we could do this to then land distribution with the big, uh, company that we needed to for this type of, um, paranormal documentaries, like the ones that are, that are distributing these.
And then, yeah, for them to give us that, that compliment after only, uh, Yeah, our first one released, uh, January or um, April of 2022. So, you know, it’s not like we’ve been working with them that long. It’s been seven, eight months or whatever. Uh, so it’s just wild man that, that they’ve been impressed with the work we’ve been able to
[00:06:49] Chris: do.
Uh, yeah. Speaking like nuts and bolts about just indie filmmaking like this, you know, it’s, it’s really challenging and I think a lot of people have misunderstandings of like the amount of money and all that kind of stuff that it one takes and what earns. So, uh, there’s, what’s that recent alien documentary moment of contact or whatever, a big one, um, by James Fox, their budget is probably like hundreds of times, more than, probably thousands than
[00:07:18] Tyler: probably thousands.
[00:07:19] Chris: We even of times more than ours, probably thousands of times more than one what we, what our budget is. But also probably they make, you know, hundreds of more dollars than ours just cuz they have this big marketing back. You know, backing and stuff like that. So we, we set out with no resources, nothing but just each other and our skills and we’ve been pushing and grinding to try and, uh, you know, earn an audience.
And I think in plain sight so far shows that it’s working. The amount of work and effort we’ve been putting in, just because this is our most popular movie to date, uh, we posted today, it’s already got, you know, it’s been out for just under two months. It’s got over 10,000 rentals and purchases, which is huge for just two guys.
Um, it’s not like a crazy amount of money or anything , but we don’t have anything else be between, besides us and the little, you know, the money we put into the movie. So, uh, we’re starting to feel like, I think some progress is being made in, in getting the oxide media brand out there and people are starting to see what we’re able to do.
and you know, we, our next documentary that we’re working on right now, it’s almost done filming and gonna be editing, editing here shortly, is Ghost in the Graveyard. Pure Pandemonium. And we were lucky enough to like, uh, hook up with two pretty, pretty big name TikTok people and Instagram people. Uh, Becky Ann Gallatine, uh, she’s a paranormal investigator.
She’s got like almost 700,000 TikTok followers and stuff. She’s gonna be in our documentary. We partnered up
[00:08:53] Tyler: with her at My Bloody Gallatine, that’s her handle at
[00:08:57] Chris: My Bloody Gallatine. Um, and you may have seen her, but
[00:09:01] Tyler: uh, and the Hex Baby we’re Hop, that’s Jules. Um, Jules also was in that. Yes. So I just wanted make sure we got both those names in and people can look up.
Yeah, of course. Yeah. I
[00:09:08] Chris: appreciate that, God, Chris. But, but, but my point is, um, we’re hoping, like it’s so cool to, to, to be able to work with people like that who have an audience and stuff like that. And we’re hoping as we keep doing this, we get to big interview bigger and bigger names and stuff. Not that we didn’t like or enjoyed.
Uh, appreciate all the people we’ve interviewed for our documentary so far, but sometimes you have like a very specific person in mind that you would think would be perfect for this, uh, story or, or subject. And it’s just like they won’t even respond to us, you know what I mean? So, uh, we have big goals in mind, I guess I should say.
We do and we’re not slowing down anytime, so, uh, yeah, I don’t know where we went. Oh, about sponsorships. Yeah. I mean, we’re open to anything as long as it’s beneficial to us and whoever we’re partnering with. Um, but we’re getting more and more business savvy and like Tyler said, we had that offer near the beginning and it felt wrong.
And with those kind of things, if it feels wrong, it’s probably wrong. And so I’m happy we chose to just stay independent at that point. Yeah.
[00:10:14] Jeremiah: I would personally say you made the right decision. 20 percent’s a lot. Um, it doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is a lot . And then you give up a lot of your freedom too.
[00:10:24] Tyler: It’s also like 20% input, right? Like Chris and I just, you know, we’re very, like a very good yin and yang. So the way that we work together, it’s really seamless. I mean, we never take anything personally. Uh, we’re always like encouraging each other. I take everything personally. Well, you do, but we’re still encouraging each other, the entire process.
We just, it’s very easy for us to bounce stuff off each other and get like moving in the right direction and when you just throw in a third third for sure. For sure. , it, it, um,
[00:11:00] Chris: we, we have a good rapport with each other,
[00:11:02] Tyler: right? Yeah, we do. And I’ll tell you what was really neat too, was Chris mentioned these TikTok, um, influencers and Instagram influencers, uh, my bloody gallatine and the hex baby.
And dude, to just get some neat compliments. We were out filming Ghost in the graveyard, pure pandemonium here at the Haunted Cemetery, a haunted pioneer cemetery in the abandoned ghost town of Pandemonium and Pennsylvania. I mean, dude, this thing wrote itself, but, uh, the, you know, these people are saying, Hey, like, universal flew me out, right?
To shoot a documentary for them and you guys. or just better than, than them. And I don’t, you know, you say universal, it’s like, well, maybe it was just the, the group of people that were handling her thing. But it’s, um, the whole process. But it’s just really cool as filmmakers because like one of the, I don’t know, one of the strong suits I think of Chris and I is that people see, we’re having fun, we’re enjoying this, we’re respectful, right?
We are not, uh, um, uh, we’re like the, the, the least judgemental people we know. Like, dude, if this is, well, Chris is a little judgey, but I’m a little, to me it’s like, oh dude, if this was your experience, like, dude, who am I to say you didn’t have that experience? Right? Like, so I just, I don’t judge anybody in respect every, so it’s just cool man, that this stuff kind of transmits through to these people and I think it allows them to feel comfortable on camera.
It results in a good documentary and it’s just neat to hear. Yeah. People comparing us to like large studios Yeah. With tons of backing and that. It’s like, oh dude, no, these guys are professional. Chris. Like, we get it done, man. Sleeping out in 30 degree weather, 35 degree weather, whatever it is, and it’s raining and Oh dude, it’s I dude, real quick.
Yeah. We’re filming that. We’re filming ghosts and graveyard, pure pandemonium. Three o’clock, like witching hour or whatever. I wake up with this bad stomach ache, like I have to go number two, dude, go out. I hike away from everybody down by the cemetery, like not right by the cemetery. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but this sha on the cemetery.
No, dude, it was insane. Like this coyote started howling like wa dude, I, it was so freaky. And then there was footsteps walking around the hill like above us at three 30 in the morning, out in the middle of. Dude, just in insane. So, um, dude, I love these like, adventures and experiences and putting ourselves in these positions Oh yeah, sure.
To, to have these experiences. Um, it’s helped us grow as filmmakers and people and dads and all, all these things, man. Well,
[00:13:40] Chris: and one other thing before we move on about the like, uh, sponsorship and stuff like that. I will say just people keep in mind like small movie independent films like this. Like we have a distributor.
They take a significant amount of revenue that is earned on the movie, the platforms. Amazon takes, I don’t know, something like 70% or something like that immediately. I don’t know if it’s 70 just for having our movie on there. It’s something ridiculously high though. So it’s like we get a portion of a portion of a portion and we did everything except for put the movie on Amazon.
Um, but that’s just the way the game works, I guess. But just keep that like, I don’t know, I, I try and, you know, convince people or try and I think people would, if they understood the difficulties and the challenges of independent filmmaking, maybe, maybe they would think twice before leaving that one star review.
But you never know. .
[00:14:38] Jeremiah: Yeah. Maybe I’ll have to start a, uh, distribution company. Yeah.
[00:14:44] Chris: You
[00:14:44] Jeremiah: sure. Not a bad idea. What if the wrong production
[00:14:49] Tyler: I
[00:14:49] Jeremiah: like it. Count us in. But, um, yeah, there’s other avenues too that I thought of. Like maybe if you can do some, like crowdfunding or something like that. But I’m sure you guys would be looking into it. We never
[00:15:01] Chris: thought about that actually. I was thinking like, yeah, crowdfunding’s not a bad idea. Yeah. Or what’s
[00:15:06] Jeremiah: that other one that’s big where you like, put a, put your money in and then they offer you like a free t-shirt.
[00:15:12] Tyler: Yeah. Like comes out, go, go or whatever. Those different crowd funding.
[00:15:17] Chris: Yeah. Stuff like that. , we could probably do some crowdfunding. Um, but in itself, like crowdfunding in itself is almost, I did a crowdfunding campaign for my independent feature sci-fi narrative movie, and that was an insane amount of work just to run a, a successful crowdfunding campaign.
And then I got the funds, but then Indiegogo takes a portion of the funds, and then the tax man takes a portion of the funds. So, in the end, I got like $10,000 less than what I made on my crowdfunding campaign. Then yet I still owe all these people the perks. You know what I mean? So, yeah, nothing’s, nothing’s as easy as it sounds with this stuff.
But yeah, I mean, right now we’re not really actively looking for any sort of investment or funding or anything like, .
[00:16:08] Tyler: I mean, unless there’s a billionaire listening in. I mean, if you just guys Yeah.
[00:16:11] Chris: Unless, unless there is a billionaire and they, of course we are always open. Oh, we will sell out like snuff
[00:16:18] Tyler: films.
I don’t care .
[00:16:22] Jeremiah: But
[00:16:22] Chris: yeah, no, uh, we, we also want to do some, we’ve been talking about doing like some merchandising and some, um, physical media, meaning like DVDs of our movies and stuff like that. And maybe going to like cons and meeting people and selling some of our stuff. But again, that’s an investment in itself just to get that stuff made.
And then there’s no guarantee you’ll, you’ll make anything back. And we don’t have coffers, we don’t have savings sitting here. We have savings between us and it’s all just waiting to pay for taxes for the, the money we’ve earned. So, yeah. Yeah. We’re, we’re, we’re working on some things though. We’re always open to ideas too.
[00:17:01] Jeremiah: Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah. But. Well, we can move into that. Yeah,
[00:17:05] Tyler: yeah, yeah. The listeners might want
[00:17:07] Jeremiah: about that. That’s why I forgot . Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it . So, uh, PL site, um, what sparked that idea, and then how’d you go about, you know, getting all the people involved? And
[00:17:21] Chris: Go ahead,
[00:17:21] Tyler: Tyler. Sure. Um, so retired CIA officer, John Ramirez, he’s in the documentary, and I had noticed I think like between Reddit and YouTube, uh, and maybe Twitter that like, I think it was November of 2021, he was doing some, he had a PowerPoint presentation, uh, that the CIA approved.
They didn’t say like, Hey, everything in this is true, but we’ll sign off on this saying he’s allowed to present this and say the CIA signed off on it, basically. Um, . And so he was talking about different things like alien hybrids. Uh, also he was a signals intelligence analyst and was basically like in charge of monitoring, um, like ballistics, like, um, Russian airspace or Soviet airspace, right.
Like in the nineties and stuff. And so I noticed this stuff. I’m just like, oh dude, Chris, man, we should do a documentary like Behind Closed Doors, the CIA and UFOs, or In Plain Sight, the intelligence community in UFOs. We sat on that title. He’s like, yo, I’m down. Reached out to John Ramirez to see if he’d do an interview.
He was like, super, yeah, prompt. Flew out to him in January of 2022, logged his interview, and it was just cool going to, yeah, traveling to his place. I show up, he’s like, Yeah, the cia, CIA knows you’re coming and this stuff. I’m like, what? Like this is just living in adjacent born movie kind of like scenario.
I’m just like, yo, this is crazy, man. Like I’m stopping to smoke SIGs, like along the highway, like outside the rental car, like along the way, like make sure nobody’s following me and stuff. It’s just, um, it was wild . Uh, so then from there we interviewed Jesse Peak, who’s a m Fon field investigator in Philadelphia.
Uh, from there he led us to Roswell author and expert Tom Carey, who’s written over 12. I think he was just on, I saw you had him on, right? Yeah, he’s
[00:19:31] Jeremiah: on my last That pursuit. Yeah. Yeah. Um, great guy. Wealth of Knowledge.
[00:19:35] Tyler: Talked him for a while just, and, and I just love the fact that this guy got into it. He’s like an encyclopedia.
He is. And the fact that I just love, I think his, his journey speaks a lot to like his heart and character that he was doing this stuff. , you know, in the nineties, man, like we have, we’re spoiled with the internet. We can find people’s contact information. Like I can DM somebody on Twitter to see if they want to, you know, would be inclined to sit down for an interview.
Like, this guy was doing all this stuff with what? Phone books and libraries and stuff like, that’s just, and micro fiche films. Like, just imagine the amount of work, right? It, it took for him to write those 12 novels doing old school investigate, um, investigative journalism, speaking with, uh, what is it, over 601st and secondhand witnesses to Roswell.
Like, dude, that’s just blows my mind. So we had him, uh, from there it went to Eric Mintel, uh, who’s a paranormal investigator, um, in Pennsylvania, like in Bucks County. He’s also had, uh, some UFO sightings himself. And then lastly, Air Force Office of Special Investigations counterintelligence Officer Richard Doty.
He, uh, he was the last interview we logged and it was just kismet man. It was meant to be kind of like, you know, Chris and I, we logged these interviews and it’s like, oh dude, we got some great, great, great stuff to make a dock. But if we’re calling this the intelligence community and UFOs, we need somebody else from the intelligence community and almost out of thin air, Richard Doty materializes.
Um, and for the people that like followed Dockside Media and have seen our other documentaries, a little cool little Easter egg was just the way logistics worked out. I actually interviewed Richard. Do. at Sue Walker’s house. At Sue Walker. She’s the telepath, clairvoyant, medical intuitive that appeared in Conscious Contact, full disclosure and Secrets of the Sasquatch.
Um, so it was just crazy how that even came to be, just where he was going to be and stuff. And I’m like, huh, I wonder if I asked Sue an Otter if they let me interview him there. And sure enough they were on board and, and that trip was just a whirlwind, you know, getting in like at um, at like, uh, I think 11:00 PM right?
Like on a Friday, um, getting the rental car, driving three and a half hours straight down to Roswell so I can sleep in the car for a couple hours and wake up with the sunrise, get some drone footage and shots of the sign, then we can use, get some cool B-roll. And we could have bought that stock image stuff like, On the internet to use, but I’m like, Chris, like, dude, we’re here.
We, I might as well just go film this stuff myself. It’s a few hours of sleep I gotta miss. And then drove straight back, dude. I get um, get back to Sue’s at like, uh, I think 12 at noon. Get stuff set up. He, Richard Doty rolls in at one. I think we finish like an hour and a half or so. And then I catch my flight at three 30 back out of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
So it was just like, ah, it was a whirlwind dude. It was awesome. So that’s how we got all the interviews. And then Chris does his magic where he looks at all the footage and finds the commonalities, um, and interweaves it into this, you know, really beautiful compelling story. Documentary,
[00:22:58] Chris: beautiful compelling story.
Thanks Tyler. . Yeah. No, I mean, it’s a ton of work. Um, but it, this one, like this one was a lot, it felt like a lot more work in the edit. Uh, and we did a few more. I did a bit more production quality stuff, like little sound effects and just like things that were a bit more time consuming. But when it was all said and done, I, I am pretty proud of the movie.
I think it came out, like you said, I think it is a step up from the other ones. I think it’s very compelling, um, and entertaining, but also has tons of like interesting nuggets, uh, sprinkled throughout. And that’s all due to uh, the people we interviewed. Um, just super interesting people and controversial, some controversial figures with Richard Doty.
I know that. Yeah. Another
[00:23:48] Jeremiah: thing I noticed was when it was done, I was like, I’m gonna have to watch that again sometime, cuz it was a lot of knowledge in there. Yeah. And a lot of info dump and, um, not in a bad way, but like it let lends to the replayability so you guys should be able to see like replays Yeah.
Of your stuff, because. You can’t catch everything on the first sitting, and then you have to go back and,
[00:24:14] Chris: and really soak it in. It’s the people we interviewed where they just casually drop stuff and, and then you’re like, wait, whoa, wait, what was that? Yeah. And they’re just, they were already moved on to something else.
But there’s just so much, so much that they are, especially with somebody like Richard Doty, who at times feels like he’s giving a presentation to like a group of people, like this is a matter of fact kind of thing. He’s like, yeah, this happened and this happened and this happened. And you’re like, wait, wait, that , whoa, Richard.
Um, which is cool, and I agree like a second viewing to pick up some of those details and nuances that people say, uh, would, would be helpful. But think of it from our perspective too, because we’re the ones interviewing them, or mostly Tyler, but when you’re there, you’re like, I’m running these cameras. I gotta keep an eye on this stuff.
I also gotta ask him questions and I gotta listen. , but your mind’s all over the place. So it’s mad. It’s hard sometimes to get the follow ups that you kind of wanted to ask. And so there’s times in the edit where it’s like frustrating where it’s like, I want more about that. And I’m like scrubbing through and I’m like, ah, there is no more about that.
But that’s just part of the, part of the process as well. So a again, maybe some point down the road we’ll hire an intern or something, or we’ll have enough money to, you know, get somebody there who can manage the equipment, whatever, just to give us more, you know, the focus on some of the more important aspects at times.
But yeah. So
[00:25:49] Jeremiah: what are some of the things that you really wanted to like convey or show on this documentary? Cuz you did the um, the other one, the full disclosure. Mm-hmm. . But this is a completely different take. So what was your thought process?
[00:26:03] Chris: I mean, this one, obviously from the name in itself, we wanted, uh, people who were either in the government or related, who had stories or experiences that kind of were related to the fact of how the government covers things up in this field.
And we got a lot of that in the , but there’s a lot more as well that we got. Um, and this movie focuses a lot on Roswell, which is a well trotted, you know, topic. Everybody knows at least something about Roswell, even if you’re not into UFOs. But this approaches it in a lot of different ways that I found really interesting and it makes sense for a film that is all about government covering up to start kind of with Roswell, because again, everybody knows about it.
It’s so long ago. It’s one of the biggest U f o, uh, things in the world. And so the way that kind of spread out. From the government’s influence and covering up and stuff. I just think it’s fascinating
[00:27:07] Tyler: and, but it’s neat how it all came together in that, you know, Chris and I like how, how I, uh, explained earlier, just, you know, John Ramirez led to Jesse Peak, led to Tom Carey, led to Eric Mintel, led to Richard Doty.
It’s like we didn’t have. You know, we didn’t have anything scripted out. Like, oh, let’s get these five people and let’s get these five people to tell us these things. Uh, really the way it happened was I interviewed John Ramirez, let him just share his story, and some of the stuff he talked about was Roswell.
And then yeah, Jesse Peak led led us to Tom Carey, who’s a Roswell expert. And then same deal, Richard Doty. He spoke on Roswell some because, uh, I guess before the interview he saw some of the other trailers we cut from, you know, the, the other interviews and saw there was some stuff on Roswell. So it was weird.
We never went into these interviews with like, loaded questions or anything like that. We were really just trying to get them to feel comfortable speaking freely. Um, Chris always mentions during these pods that it was neat how like Richard Doty, he’d be talking and then pause and be like, well, uh, I can’t actually say anything else like about that, and then have to move on to something else.
Uh, , John Ramirez. You know, he’s, he’s just like a very sincere guy. You know, you have in your head what a CIA operative, how they behave, how they act. I show up, dude, he’s human. He is human. He is no different than you or, you know, you, me or Chris or anybody else listening to this podcast. Like, you know, he’s, he’s a little nervous before the interview.
I think for that one, because I’m operating three cameras, one on a gimbal, two on tripods. Uh, uh, that one, I believe it worked out that I had his, I think it was his wife sit across from him to have, uh, him look, to have him look at her to give the, the answers, right. Uh, and speak. And it got to a point, and I can’t recall exactly where it was, but it was maybe like only 20 minutes in to the interview.
And he like politely asked his wife, To leave it. He did not. He was not, so he was not even feeling comfortable sharing some of this stuff with his wife. Right. Like it was, it was the wildest thing. So this stuff is, yeah, it was just really, really neat. To, to see that and kind of destigmatize this whole idea of like a CIA operative and stuff, and that these people are, are human.
And same deal with Richard Doty to, you know, for some of, uh, the negative opinions out there of him based on his history and him being a counterintelligence officer. You know, I, like, I went in there with an open mind, like, I will go get my own experience with Richard and I will judge him based on that.
Right. And, um, dude, he was just nothing but polite, respectful. Like he was nervous before the interview as well. Not like he was lying or anything, but just like a person gets when cameras and lights and stuff were shining on them and you’re, you’re about to talk about, uh, aliens and UFOs. Um, and it was cool.
He was just, he was just very down to earth. Um, yeah, I thought maybe he would be more like gregarious or affable or something like that, but, He, he was like, he was like the opposite of my, uh, personality. He’s like much more like kind of Chris just laid back, reserved, quiet. But it was weird. I found myself liking the guy more because of that, right?
And so it’s like, well, dude is like, is this how he’s trained to gain my trust? Just, I felt, I felt comfortable around him. Felt that he was being sincere and genuine in everything that he was saying. And it was really neat that on one of these podcasts we did, uh, talking about in Plain Site, the intelligence community, UFOs before the podcast, uh, the host happens to be friends with John Ramirez or befriended them recently.
And they were like, Hey, John, any chance I could get a quote from you about in plain sight? Like, what did you think of it? And he said like, these guys were super professional. I can’t believe how well this turned out. And. It was really neat to see and hear information that you had to be read into to have.
And so I’m like, what? Oh dude, that’s dope. I mean, that’s lending more credence to the stuff that Richard Doty was talking about. And while some of it seems out there, dude, I, if people were talking about iPhones and, you know, doing these, these podcasts online like a hundred years ago, everybody be scratching their heads.
Like, I, what are you even talking about? I can’t even conceptualize that. What, what you mean? So, um, yeah, it’s cool that to hear that. Yeah. John Ramirez said some of that stuff you had to be read into to know. Yeah, it’s
[00:32:13] Jeremiah: definitely, and I’ve said this about your previous one, uh, documentary, I mean, it’s good to have different people on and a multiple amount of people on, so you get different perspectives, different intake, and um, it’s not just like one person or becomes stale.
and you have like different, cuz like Richard Doty might not agree with whoever else you, uh, so it’s like, it gives the information out there kind of like my show. I give the information out and it’s up to you to like do the research or decide what you want to believe. So I kind of like how you guys need that and again, like
[00:32:51] Chris: multiple people.
Yeah. And, and we’ve said this before, but like, yeah, I mean, we’re not trying to push our own narrative or anything. We’re just kind of trying to deliver everybody’s experiences and stories. Uh, we think in the most compelling way possible. Now that’s where like you get the negative reviews and stuff because you’ll have somebody be like, well I don’t believe Richard Doty, or, I don’t know, he doesn’t one out of five.
Okay. It is what it is with that. So, um, but we wouldn’t change anything about that. I kind of like, I like that he’s controversial. Like, that he, uh, he’s not trustworthy, I’m not gonna lie. I mean, it’s his, it was his job to be a disinformation person. Um, . And so I’m sure maybe he changed or you know, is turning over a new leaf or whatever.
But he knows this, like as he’s saying things, I think it’s really interesting. But in the back of my mind I’m like, is he playing me? Is he not? And, That’s what’s interesting about him though. Uh, cuz he does speak so confidently and so matter-of-factly about everything that it feels like.
It’s just, yeah, this is just like textbook kind of knowledge, but that’s what makes him a controversial dude, but also an interesting one. But then you have like John Ramirez, like Tyler was talking about, where there’s so much on the cutting room floor of personal stories that he relays about his childhood and how he has grown up with these experiences and how personal this stuff is to him.
And watching that footage, it’s endearing. It’s, it makes me empathetic to him, uh, on a more human level than not just the things he’s saying. And I wish some of that could have made it into the movie. It just really didn’t fit with a lot of the, the topic we were talking about. But I’m lucky enough, and that’s why I bring it up.
Usually during each podcast we do talking about John Ramirez because, um, it just shows like a different side of him and a very, uh, honest side of him. Again, that makes him very endearing to me and, and a lot more trustworthy. Uh, just right off the bat. Uh, he, whatever he’s saying, I a hundred percent know he believes it in his heart.
Whatever Richard Doty’s saying, Um, but again, I’m the more skeptical dude of this stuff. Tyler knows that like I’m the most skeptical person, which is weird that I’m involved in paranormal documentaries. Maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s a good thing. , but because of it, I know there’s been times where I’m like, Tyler, I’m not putting that in the movie.
And he’s like, no, that’s interesting. People who are into this stuff, this is, this is interesting to them. I’m like, okay, but I don’t really buy it. And, they’re like, it’s not always for you. That’s something I’m trying to get better at in so far as just keeping an open mind about this stuff. I think I’m getting better at it though, Tyler. Maybe I’m not, but um, yeah, no, you totally are. You know, we get this, uh, raw version of everything when we, we craft these movies, and so I get to see a lot of stuff that, that nobody else gets to see from their interviews. It just humanizes everyone. So, when I see comments and stuff about people. I’m like, dude, you have no idea who this person actually is.
And it’s a little frustrating at times. Um, but I’m not asking anyone to a hundred percent believe everything that they say. You know, use your own mind, use your own your thoughts and deduction and stuff like that. But, uh, everybody we’ve interviewed so far seems genuine as a, as a person. And that’s important.
I think for us. I don’t, we’re not that interested in just controversial opinions to be controversial. Does that make sense? Like that’s, when I talk about Richard Doty being controversial, I don’t say that insofar as I think he’s a grifter. I don’t, but because of the nature of his background, it does make me question some of the stuff he says.
Does that make sense? Maybe not.
[00:36:57] Tyler: Yeah. And I wanna just mention this, cuz Chris, he’s, Chris has been throwing out, I heard the, the, the term one star review a handful of times since this podcast started. For those listening in plain sight, the intelligence community, ufo. We’ve got nearly 50% of our Amazon reviews are five stars.
Okay? So it is a ball and movie. I don’t want the universe thinking, whoa, one star, one star. I think the, the what I, the way I look at it is, man, dude, the world is such a diverse place. If 50% of the people are picking up what you’re putting down, you are crushing it. Dude, the world’s just polarizing. So I don’t take that stuff per personally, and the, and I double and triple and quadruple down on, dude, half the people who left a review gave this a five star.
Chris, how many movies do you give A perfect five star? Like never. So I’m like, dude, this is insane, bro. I’m, we continue to do what we do and make these documentaries for those people. Um, we understand. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, whatever, dude, people just don’t like you. For the sake of not liking you. Right. Uh, and I just don’t take that personally.
[00:38:08] Chris: That’s why I don’t like you, Tyler. That’s why I, I know.
[00:38:11] Tyler: And that’s why I don’t take it personally. That’s why we’re still making docs, dude, . I really, I really don’t care. It’s, yeah. It’s not that big of a deal. I’m not gonna stay up at night thinking about that. Yeah. There’s
[00:38:21] Jeremiah: an old saying that, um, you don’t really make it until you have
[00:38:25] Chris: haters.
[00:38:26] Tyler: true. True. Exactly.
[00:38:30] Jeremiah: Yep. Because if you’re really small and not doing anything, no one pays you any attention. True.
[00:38:35] Chris: Yeah. That’s definitely true. Yep. So
[00:38:37] Jeremiah: we’re doing something right. But yeah, you guys are doing great. And um, so you touched on it really briefly, and I don’t know how much you can expound on it, but I gotta ask anyway.
You said that there was some information they couldn’t tell you. Did they tell you that like off the jump, like, I can’t only go so far into. Or they just did it while they were talking, like, oh, I can’t go any further in. Yeah, it was
[00:38:58] Tyler: just while, yeah, while the live interview was going on, they would just catch themselves and be like, oh, you know what, I, I can’t, I can’t go any, can’t talk about that.
Yeah. Yeah. I can’t talk about that . Um, so yeah, and then there was something, uh, uh, yeah, so I, after the interview, John Ramirez was like casually talking to me off record about just different things. And I’m like, what what are you serious? Uh, so I, it was just like, yeah. And it was, yeah, he, I just, whatever.
I’ll keep that to myself. I’m sure stuff will come up or come out eventually on it, , but it was just like, oh dude. Um, yeah. It’s just neat. These people, I don’t know, we’re just trying to give them a platform to share their stories and experiences and I think. that they appreciate what we’re doing and that’s why they feel comfortable sharing this stuff.
Because like, dude, this topic has been stigmatized for so long. It’s, uh, you know, it’s just easy to be like, man, I don’t, yeah. Like, God, this stuff is crazy. I like to share this with people, but dude, I just, I don’t have the backbone to, to take that kind of, you know, negativity and heat right? And hatred that some people inevitably are going to throw my way.
Um, and so, yeah, I think, um, so far everybody we’ve interviewed for all of our docs, I’m, I feel like they definitely get the vibe that, wow, these guys are respectful. You know what I mean? They’re trying to create the best documentaries they can with all these, um, unique people’s. Personal experiences. And, uh, so I think that’s why they just feel comfortable just kind of going and, and kind of to the credit of like, oh dude, we don’t really have, other than the title, we really don’t have any idea of what the doc is going to look like.
And so like these interviews, I’m asking some questions, but a lot of it is them just talking for like 25 minutes straight. Right. Sharing their experience, going from one topic to another, maybe me like, and typically I’m like, yeah, I just don’t even butt in. I’m like, oh, when the cameras need to cool, I can ask them, Hey, when we, when we start these cameras back up again, can you talk about that a little bit more?
Right. And then maybe go to this. But for the most part, dude, these people, like, it’s just, if you let these people talk, like they’ll just, they’ll share if they feel comfortable. And so it’s cool what we’re able to pull out of them that. Yeah. If we came into this with an idea of how we wanted this documentary to look, dude, it, we wouldn’t have gotten nearly like just, we wouldn’t have gotten any of the footage.
We probably did. It would’ve just, it would’ve been totally different.
[00:41:57] Chris: That’s kind of the beauty of doing, of doing these kind of documentary films versus a, a narrative movie. Cause the narrative movie, I spend so much time writing, shooting, and there’s like, it just feels like compromise the whole time.
Sure. There’s beauty in that where it’s like unexpected compromise or things happen and you’re like, I didn’t expect that, but the whole time you’re like trying to get this vision and you keep making sacrifices and it’s never exactly what you want. With the documentary stuff, it’s like there’s no compromise really.
It’s always like, we don’t, we have an idea for a title of a movie and then what is the movie is determined by the people we talk about or talk to, and then the insane thing that happens. , I don’t know what it is where we interview five different people across the country and yet I’m sure it’s a similar topic, but they all have these things that overlap and that’s where the beauty is in like creating the, the story being told here.
And it, it’s so easy when there’s patterns and topics that naturally occur. Um, and when it’s all said and done, I like look at ’em like, man, that was way easier than it should have been. Sometimes I don’t know how that happens. Um, especially cuz I’m like, right now I’m editing my film, my feature film, which is, you know, based on a script, based on storyboards and shit.
And it’s like, it feels so challenging editing that cuz I’m never happy cuz it’s not my a hundred percent vision. These documentaries are just like, we are crafting the vision as we make it. It’s, it’s, it’s really fun. I guess it’s my point.
[00:43:35] Tyler: Yeah. And Chris, you got this is like, like, I don’t know, the third.
Fourth time you brought up your sci-fi horror feature film. Are you gonna give the, the listeners the name so they can check it out? Transient. I’ll give it for you. Transient. That’s t r a n s i e E N T 20 e e n t. Oh yeah. Okay. Dude. I said the first E but then I couldn’t remember if I said it, so I’m like, oh, I’m just gonna drop another E in there.
I don’t think I said it . Um, it’s multiple E’s. I was, yeah, it’s all good, but people should check it out. He’s, um, yeah. You’re finishing cutting it right now. Correct. And then you’ll get distribution, film festivals, that whole thing. So 2023, you guys will be able to find transient the dope news sci-fi horror feature film by Chris Rupert.
[00:44:24] Chris: Yeah. We’ll be out sometime in 2023. Nice.
[00:44:27] Jeremiah: And what’s that entail, if you can the
[00:44:29] Chris: movie talk about real quick? Yeah. Um, it’s about, uh, a tech entrepreneur who, uh, suffers some loss. I don’t wanna give it to away too many, uh, spoilers, but, uh, his technology has to do with, uh, brain and memory integration and uh, I guess he’s just unable to overcome his grief and resorts to some sci-fi shenanigans, which leads to some thriller horror aspects.
So, uh, it’s a movie that’s really personal to me cuz it deals with like a loss of a child and that’s like the scariest thing I could ever think of. Um, having two children myself. So, there’s a lot of personal moments. My daughter’s actually in the movie. Um, but because it deals with memories and stuff, there’s a lot of like real footage of my daughter through her life.
And so watching it is kind of hard when it’s all about losing her. Um, but I hope that comes through to the audience when they watch it. So, but there’s also scary stuff and a lot of sci-fi, a lot of hard sci-fi cause they partnered with a. A guy who writes AI and he rev reviewed all my, like pseudoscience and changed it and made it real science, which is awesome.
[00:45:46] Jeremiah: excited. That’s great. Yep. Um, yeah, man, I’ll have to check it out when it comes to help for, for sure. You ever watch that, uh, movie Ex Machina?
[00:45:54] Chris: I love Ex Machina. Yeah. It’s a great freaking commitment. Yeah. That movie was awesome. Alex Garland, fantastic director. And, then the end. You’re just so good.
Wow. Such a great movie, .
[00:46:05] Jeremiah: So, um, I saw Tyler was up in the tundra, uh, hunting and whatever and shooting his new documentary, hunting with Tyler. We’ll talk about that real quick before we wrap it up. The, uh, pure pandemonium.
[00:46:19] Tyler: Oh, that, yes. Yeah. Ghost in the graveyard. Pure Pon. , dude, it’s great, man. There’s a, a town that was from like 1797 to 1890 or something like that, right?
Like almost a hundred years, uh, in, it was called Pandemonium, Pennsylvania. For those that don’t know, pandemonium is Latin for abode of demons, dude. So, that’s sick. Um, and then we, uh, I inter uh, I interviewed a author and historian about pandemonium. There’s a bunch of, uh, just haunted sightings or ghost sightings and stuff like that, dark figures, et cetera.
Um, uh, at this Pioneer Cemetery, which is out in the middle of nowhere, uh, it’s like 30 miles west of Harrisburg, I believe, and. Out, uh, in this, uh, oh, I’m trying to think what, I can’t remember the state forest, it’s in off the top of my head, but it was dope. Interviewed that guy there and then we did a camp out here like, uh, a week and a half ago.
Um, Chris was there, me, these two TikTok influencers. We had, um, two other paranormal investigators, uh, and then also like an adventurer. So we had five people there. As fate would have it, it was five women. Right. So, it’s cool that, yeah, it was just neat that, uh, we were able, like the, other than the author, historian gentleman named Marlon, like the rest of the cast will be females.
So, I just thought that was cool how it just played out like that. Um, that we were able to give all these female. Paranormal investigators a platform, uh, to talk about their experiences and what they’ve seen and, and go investigate the cemetery with us. And, then we’re heading out again with two of ’em here, uh, the two leads, um, yep.
This Sunday to finish filming it. So, we’ve like run it by the distributor. They’re like, yo, we want it, we’re like, Yasi, you know, before we have to like, send, uh, the trailer and the feature and taglines all this stuff. Like, Hey, is this something you guys be interested in? And they’re like, oh yeah, we love it.
But it’s cool that we’ve just gotten to a place where they, you know, they trust like, oh dude, if these guys are saying this is the documentary they’re putting out, I believe that, I know that they will follow through on that to the point where these guys are. Okay. Well, when will you get it to us? Because, now we’ll just, we can schedule the release date now.
We’ll slate it a while if you guys are Yeah, we just know the quality of work you guys bring. So, um, man, just. Insane dude that we’re even in this position. Like, uh, and I’m just, I try and remain thankful every day like that, that, yeah, Chris and I have just been very fortunate and blessed man to, to follow our hearts, right?
And, and make these paranormal documentaries despite what others might think or say. We, we don’t care. This is, this is fun and enjoyable for us, and we think it’s important to help de-stigmatize these topics that people feel comfortable talking about them. And I think through doing that, we can ultimately get more data gathered and like more answers, um, and have more, uh, like scientific research go into it.
Um, and maybe start to explain some of these unexplainable mysteries. So, uh, the ghosts in the graveyard, pure pandemonium, we have like, yeah, the camp out was, was, um, was really cool. Kind of scary at times. Uh, I remember just at just doing this spirit box and like, some of the stuff that’s coming through while we’re doing this and at this, and I’m just like, um, I’m just like, wait, dude.
This is like, I mean, I guess it could be coincidence, but this is really creepy. Creepy. And, then hearing Chris, those footsteps, bro. Like, dude, it’s not, we, we heard zero squirrels all day long. It’s not like there’s squirrels running around the woods all day. There had been no leaves, nothing prancing around, moving around for like, uh, I don’t know, six hours or something.
Like seven hours. We’re doing this thing, dude. And there’s like footsteps, like, like walking. It didn’t sound very far from us. Wa um, and it was just, dude, it was, it was trippy. So, I
[00:50:45] Chris: remember a moment where we were doing, maybe it was the estees method, communing, communing with a spirit. We had asked if, if you were there or we had asked something to make like a noise.
And, then there was a loud bang, do you remember that, Tyler? It was like a tree knock or something. And we, we like stopped and we like looked at each other.
[00:51:05] Tyler: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. we’re like, yeah,
[00:51:07] Chris: okay.
[00:51:09] Jeremiah: dude.
[00:51:09] Tyler: Yeah. Um, this
[00:51:11] Chris: is, and those are the moments though, dude. Those are the moments, Jeremiah, where it’s like you sit back and you’re like, dude, I’m out here ghost hunting in the middle of nowhere with five women I’ve never met before in my life.
Like, this is, this is it, man. Like life is short and this is weird and interesting stuff. And not too many people can say that they went and did something like that. And we’re just getting started, man. It’s not even 2023 yet, but we are, we’re hyped. So, uh, yeah. And one other thing I wanted to say. I was fortunate enough to go to like this huge meetup with, with a meetup, a private meetup with like very, very influential and, um, big filmmakers in the Philadelphia area.
Like these dudes. Are directing like three minute commercials for major corporations, half a million dollar budgets. I’m just, this dude making these paranormal documentaries on, on consumer level Sony cameras. They were blown away by the fact that like, we just do it Like, cuz they, they wait, they gotta have the a hundred thousand dollars camera and huge crews and everything to make a three minute commercial and it takes weeks and months of editing and shit.
And we just, we just go out and do it. They’re like, yeah, I wish I could do that. Cause this guy’s been working on a short film for months writing it and all this stuff. I’m like, dude, I would’ve shot that short film would’ve been edited. We’ve been out the door, we’re onto our next thing by now. Um, their production quality I’m sure is better.
I don’t know, maybe someday we’ll get there too, but right now, like we we’re not slowing down for anything. So,
[00:52:47] Tyler: and the only reason their production quality is better is because it’s a hundred thousand dollars camera. Of course. A hundred, right? Because, they have and the crew, they have $70,000 worth of lights and they’ve got 10 people on set, all specifically trained to do one task.
A hundred percent. So, yeah. You know, uh, it’s, um, like we, oh dude, we, we will get there. It’s not a
[00:53:11] Chris: matter of, I’m not, I’m not even talking about like my point. Yeah. It’s when my point is we go out and do it with $500, two, $2,000 cameras, whatever, consumer stuff, and that’s basically it. And, there’s no reason you guys can’t do it too.
So, don’t let anything hold you back. Go for it.
[00:53:27] Jeremiah: Yeah. I’m actually, um, myself, I’ve been looking online like YouTube videos and stuff, trying to learn how to use my, uh, yeah. iPhone, dude that take camera
[00:53:38] Chris: on that thing is killer.
[00:53:40] Jeremiah: Yeah, so I’ve been looking up stuff like that. I was like, I gotta start filming stuff and I, I’m gonna start like small, but then build my way up or whatever.
Do it. Yeah. Here’s first,
[00:53:49] Tyler: first, uh, first tip, it’s free, bro. On that iPhone 13 max, uh, I’m sure it has for the settings on the video. The video settings, you can set it to 24 frames per second, 24 p, that’s what you’re gonna wanna set it to. Almost everything is like 30 frames or 60 frames, and the brain is just trained when we see that it either looks like home video at 30 frames or it’s 60 is what like your sports and stuff are being shot in.
So, it starts to get into that hyper realistic, where it’s like, oh, there’s no motion blur at all. Or video, we got 60 pictures in one second. It’s super smooth. Um, so I’m pretty sure it has that, uh, that iPhone has the 24 frames per second. And if you film in that and stitch or cut together your different clips, The people that see it automatically, their brain will like say, oh, that’s cinema quality, because the brain just associates, um, the 24 frames with Hollywood cinema grade, um, films.
So do, do,
[00:54:55] Jeremiah: do that. I don’t know if you guys remember, um, remember they had the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and then they did The Hobbit afterwards. It’s in 60 and he shot Yeah, he shot The Hobbit. And, and I remember sitting there on the first Hobbit film and I was like, this just looks weird.
[00:55:11] Chris: It feels
[00:55:11] Tyler: weird.
Yeah. I think it was in 48 frames. He shot it in 48, right? It was in 48, which is like half it, like, whatever, like I said, typical. It’s like 24, 30, 60 now one 20. Um, but yeah, it was in 48. Right. So, just the That’s amazing. The brain has never seen that. Right. So, obviously it’s gonna like, ugh, this makes me feel
[00:55:33] Chris: weird.
I, I do appreciate the attempt at like pushing. Technology or pushing that? Oh yeah. The, the, the, the format forward. Sometimes it doesn’t work, but like it was an attempt there. But, I didn’t like it personally. Um, something about that 24 frames, man. It’s just, it, it always works. Um, and definitely gives you that cinematic feel.
[00:55:56] Jeremiah: yeah, I’m interested to see that new avatar film just for the visuals alone. For sure.
[00:56:01] Chris: for sure. I saw the first like, reviews out there were like insanely good or something. People are, and I know people want shit all over it. Cuz, they want, they want it to fail, but I don’t, I root for it. Um, yeah.
Yeah. I’m rooting for it. James Cameron. Yeah. The guy dedicated. Yeah. Right. Insanely good filmmaker. So, uh, that’s the thing, I don’t understand how people want to fail. I’m like, dude, James Cameron, aliens Terminator, Terminator two Titanic. Like, what, what does he have to do to earn your goodwill? Like, these are amazing movies of all time.
[00:56:35] Tyler: Wasn’t that first, the first avatar, like so good that weren’t, weren’t there like a group of people who believed , like that, that world, alternate world or what it existed. And that if you killed yourself in this world, you would go there and like p some people, I don’t know if that was just some, like, what’s their new documentary?
That’s what we
[00:56:57] Chris: should do. ,
[00:56:59] Tyler: dude. Uh, do you remember hearing that or no? I do now that you say that. Yeah. Yeah. It was this myth. I don’t know if there was any truth to it, but it propagated all over the place and it was like, dude, that’s, I don’t know, that’s crazy. I hope our films aren’t that impactful where people start killing themselves, right?
That’s, that’s nuts. But, obviously the artistry by him to put people in a frame of mind to think like, ah, dude, this is just crazy. So, I hope this, this one works too. So, yep. I
[00:57:26] Jeremiah: just wanna say one more thing. Um, you talked about it before. It was the people that you interview feel like comfortable and stuff.
And, um, that’s really important too because I’ve interviewed like, um, paranormal investigators and stuff like that, people that actually go out in the field and do the investigating and they always say like, they’re approached by TV shows, but then the TV shows like, we want to drum up the action or we want to make the scares.
So, they have to change what they really do to like fit the TV show narrative. And I think it helps that you guys are just like, just be you. Yeah. Be
[00:58:03] Chris: cool. We are looking for sincerity and what you just described is, is manufactured and that’s not what we’re going for. So, yeah.
[00:58:12] Tyler: Yeah. If we wanted to do that, then we just wouldn’t even go interview these people.
We just craft the narratives ourselves. We, we would just act them ourselves and we would just make stuff up. But, I think the beauty in Dioxide media is that yeah, everybody is genuine and sincere in their experiences and um, and it’s like what’s cool is just. , yeah. That we just, we do a good job making them feel comfortable sharing these personal, sometimes maybe embarrassing right, uh, experiences because like somebody could have the absolute most mind blowing experience ever, but if on camera, like they just, they don’t feel comfortable and they’re super nervous, it just comes off as very, very unbelievable.
And, uh, despite them like being completely sincere in believing it, if they’re not comfortable, it just, it’s not transmitted right through, through the lens. So, knock on wood, um, we’re gonna keep doing what we’re doing and, and yeah, continuing to grow and keep the snowball going. You know, just reaching out to, to bigger and bigger people to try and reach more people.
And I think these types of topics are just only gonna go gain more momentum with like, like, uh, what was it like the N D A A today? The National Defense Aerospace Act, or whatever it is? I, I think senate’s gonna vote on it, but like the, like the new form and stuff that it has, you know, we’ve been waiting for this report since like October 31st.
Right? We’re like five weeks late, six weeks late. What, where is this thing, how is there congress? Like, you know, it, by law they’re supposed to be given a report and so this n d thing coming out, like, uh, yes. Or today or yesterday? Uh, just talking about like, They, they’re creating channels that people can report, like government, government personnel, all the way back to 1945, right?
January 1st, 1945. They want all these people to share any data they might have or stories, or experiences regarding dude, uh, et retrieval programs. Reverse engineering. The language of this thing is just really, really amazing and encouraging. And it was talk, it’s talking about the prohibition of manipulating public opinion and stuff, and it like not being allowed to put out false narratives, right?
I’m just like, well, dude, are we really going to start getting some thorough, genuine, honest government answers here? I, I’m thinking we might. . So, I’m glad that we’re here along for the ride. We happen to get into this just, you know, right at the right time. And so we’re hope, we’re hoping to spearhead this movement for sure.
[01:01:01] Jeremiah: Yeah, I think we’re at a point where they can’t really like hide it anymore. They kind of have to put it out there and just hope that most people don’t care. Cuz, like most people are like, you know, most the people who care know already so , it’s like they can’t really hide their secrets anymore. I think that’s why they’re doing all these info dumps and stuff and trying to mix it in, you know, with the pandemic and all that to kind of like keep it from going mainstream or whatever.
But I think more and more people are waking up more and more people are questioning things, questioning our reality, questioning who they are, questioning what’s going on in the world. And it only like builds into the stuff that we cover. definitely,
[01:01:43] Chris: man. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so much happens so fast nowadays.
It’s hard to. Hard to keep track of it all too. So, yeah, I’m excited for the future here. See what, we’ll see what happens in 2023, I guess. But, anyways Jeremiah, I wanna say thanks for having us on, dude.
[01:01:59] Jeremiah: Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for coming on again and um, sure I’ll have on again when your next, uh, for sure dude.
Awesome documentary comes out,
[01:02:07] Tyler: dude, much appreciated.
[01:02:09] Jeremiah: And I’ve got your, uh, documentary conscious contact full dis dude.
[01:02:14] Tyler: Dude, I got the poster if anybody are just listening and not watching my man Jeremiah on the What If They’re Wrong Podcast made a conscious contact, full disclosure poster and has it framed and it looks nasty, dude.
It is sick. That is really cool, man. We appreciate that a lot.
[01:02:34] Chris: Yeah, dude, that’s awesome. Thank you. Yeah, I like
[01:02:37] Jeremiah: to support the people who really matter and the people that I enjoy. And I enjoy talking with you guys. I enjoy your documentaries and man, thanks. I wish you guys the best. Hopefully, um, just keep rolling.
Keep putting it out there, and eventually something
[01:02:53] Chris: will. Yeah, that’s what we’re doing. Well, I think it already
[01:02:57] Tyler: knows. I mean, we’re growing in plain sight. The intelligence community UFOs our fourth documentary in a year. Um, and it has more buys and rentals than the other three documentaries combined, right.
I believe, I mean, we, we, it’s just, uh, we continue to grow and get better at it. And if anybody would like to follow along, we we’re active on all the different social medias, like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, um, TikTok, YouTube, uh, and we put out a lot of just like, uh, public calls for people like, Hey, we’re shooting Ghost in the graveyard, pure pandemonium on this date.
If anybody’s free and wants to join us on this camp out, dude, we, we’d love to have you along. And so, uh, yeah, a lot of these documentaries, it’s neat that people. That what? That are into this and adventurous like yeah. They’re now in documentaries. Right. Um, so if that sounds like something Yeah. You, people would be into, please give our socials a follow.
A follow because, we’re gonna keep making these and Yep. There’s times where we do camp outs for Sasquatch or ghost Hunts or whatever it is and you know, it’s one of those things like the more the merrier really. So, um, we’re just looking for a lot of different people’s perspectives, so we’d love to have you join us on one of these.
[01:04:17] Jeremiah: Well, yeah, definitely. Whenever you’re down south here, I’ll, uh, bring you guys some Bojangles and we’ll hang in. . Sounds
[01:04:23] Tyler: fun Pack. Yeah, we’re holding you to that dude, .
[01:04:26] Jeremiah: So, thanks for coming on.
[01:04:28] Chris: It was great. Yeah, man, thanks again for,
[01:04:31] Tyler: Much appreciated Jeremiah.