Halloween Paranormal Round Table
[00:00:00] Jeremiah: Hello, my fellow Earthlings. Welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We’re gonna get into an awesome paranormal round table for this special Halloween episode. We’ll get to that in just a moment. First, I just want to say, have a happy and safe Halloween. Hope you, uh, get a lot of treats and not tricked. Remember, if you like the podcast, leave a rating and review.
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Hello and welcome to this special Halloween edit. Of the round table of paranormal investigators. It’s the first one, but I’m sure there’ll be more. We’re gonna introduce everyone here. We have, uh, Jess King here, and we’ll let her say hello. Hi. Hello. Thanks for coming on. Yep. Thanks for having me. We have, uh, the Lady Ghostbuster.
Eleanor Wagner. Hi
[00:01:34] Eleanor: everybody. I’m so excited to be here. This is great.
[00:01:38] Jeremiah: Yes. Thanks for coming on. Have Richard Wright, who has been on my podcast too. Hello, everybody.
[00:01:46] Richard: Looking forward to the conversation tonight.
[00:01:50] Jeremiah: Yes, yes, for sure. Then we’ve got Soul Sisters Paranormal Christie.
[00:01:57] Kris: Hey Jeremiah, thanks for having me.
[00:02:00] Jeremiah: Yes. Thanks for coming on. We have Joe of the 2 22 Paranormal Podcast.
[00:02:06] Joe: Hey, how’s everybody doing? I’m glad I’m here. Glad I made it in time. .
[00:02:13] Jeremiah: Yes, we’re glad you made it too. . So yes, thanks everyone for coming on and being part of this and, uh, it should be a really interesting and fun round table here for this Halloween episode.
And, um, The first thing I want to ask is what is your favorite thing about Halloween, and then also what’s your go-to scary movie to watch on Halloween? So I’ll start with Jess again.
[00:02:42] Jess: Okay, well on the second part of it, the favorite, um, go-to Halloween movie. I mean, I don’t really know that. I don’t ever stop watching scary stuff, so like, or people at least say that it’s scary stuff, but I don’t think it’s scary stuff.
It’s just like the normal stuff that I think that is everyday life. I just watch anything that’s, you know, regarding a paranormal and ghost and anything like that. So, I just, it just never stops all year round. I, I forgot the other question because I’m add.
[00:03:13] Jeremiah: It was, What’s your favorite thing about Halloween?
[00:03:16] Jess: Um, well, with me being at a medium, um, honestly, uh, the veil starts getting thinner, so obviously the closer we get to Halloween. So, this is, um, it gets to be a really amped up and busy time of year for me. It’s always a super fun time, um, you know, for my business. But, in general, I just, it’s also my birthday month, so I think it was just, I was born to be in this industry, so that’s, um, that’s what I guess I enjoy so much about.
[00:03:42] Jeremiah: Nice. So Eleanor, uh, I’ll ask you the same thing. Favorite thing about Halloween and then your go-to
[00:03:49] Eleanor: car movie. Favorite thing about Halloween is the roast in the pumpkin seeds, cutting the pumpkin up, making pumpkin pie, pumpkin bread, just the whole ambiance. We, we took a hike the other day and we were walking amongst all the leave.
Changing and we’re like, All right, we gotta go home and roast pumpkin seeds. We did . So that’s ours. Then, um, the go-to movies with my daughter, we watch Hocus Pocus, That’s our thing. But Dawn of the Dead, I gotta watch Dawn of the Dead, even the new one, when the, the little girl comes running through the bedroom of the whole thing starts.
So that for me, uh, envelopes Halloween
[00:04:27] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely a classic movie. . All right,
[00:04:31] Richard: Well, I can tell you, uh, definitely what I don’t like about Halloween, and that is going back and forth between my couch and the door every time it rings to give out Candy , if I, I would say that probably the thing I like the most is we, we have some folks here in my neighborhood that go all out on decorations.
They’re pretty impressive. So it’s always fun to see, um, the houses and I feel the same way around Christmas time with, with decorations and lights. But Halloween, uh, there’s some really cool stuff out there. As far as movies go, um, my go to would definitely be John Carpenter’s Halloween, the original Halloween
[00:05:11] Jeremiah: movie.
Definitely a classic . I was just talking about that movie earlier today. I don’t remember what I was saying, but
All right, Soul sister, you’re
[00:05:25] Kris: up. . I think for me it’s just, you know, the, the entire, um, season of change, right? We’re coming into the cool weather, we’re coming in and to Richard’s point, everybody is kind of got this camaraderie going on with decorating and kind of moving into the holidays. So I think it’s just really the, the, the, the movement from summer into this really great season, um, into Eleanor’s Point.
Pumpkins and spice and just everything that’s really encompassed in, in the, uh, the traditions of Halloween. I just love all of it. Um, and I’ve gotta steal Richard’s, uh, movie, anything Halloween, but the original one, you just can’t beat it. ?
[00:06:04] Jeremiah: Yeah. I think I posted something on Instagram about, uh, it was like Michael Myers talking with Jason or whatever, and he was like, You’ve been chasing the, I’ve been chasing the same one for 30 years.
Uh, but yeah, definitely a classic movie for the horror genre. All right, Joe, you’re up. Really,
[00:06:25] Joe: I, I agree with Christie. I love seeing the change in the weather, the trees change and all that, and it’s just that time of year where you can get outside and it’s not as hot. You have the bonfires going, you go out, I did a ride today.
I went to a bunch of different small. and everybody’s got their Halloween stuff out. Everybody’s got, you know, their, their pumpkins out for sale along the road. Everything that’s, that’s really what I liked about it. Um, I’m a little different on the movie. I’m more of a show guy because I think the Peanuts Halloween special with is the best for Halloween.
I’m not into all the gore, so that’s as scary as I get.
[00:07:09] Kris: Joe, you’re so great.
[00:07:17] Jeremiah: I mean, it’s still a classic, right? You .
[00:07:20] Richard: Oh, oh, that’s what I say. I’m not absolutely
[00:07:22] Kris: flooding door. Stop. Just drop in and bring that question home, Joe. Well done.
[00:07:29] Jeremiah: That’s
Yeah. So for me, favorite time about Halloween or favorite thing about Halloween is pretty. Everything you guys said. Like, uh, the apple cider comes back around, the pumpkin pie comes back around. Uh, if you can’t tell, I’d like to eat . Um, and then, you know, just everyone seems to get in better spirits and, uh, you kind of realize the summer’s over and there seems to be more community.
Whereas summer, it seems like every. Out and about doing their own thing. And, and then around this time of year, it seems people start coming together a little bit more. In my community, you see all the decorations. Trick or treat time, all the kids. I like handing out candy. I’m, uh, yeah, getting up all the time is, is kind of crappy, but, uh, I just love, I love it.
[00:08:26] Richard: Christie said something that I had never thought about before and it’s, uh, but it’s so true. Halloween really is sort of the first, um, decorating event of the year. I mean, we, we go through everything and after, after, uh, after New Years there, there really isn’t much is there, Uh, maybe some red, white and blue around the 4th of July, but that.
So I never thought about that, Christy, but you’re absolutely right. It is like the, the, the start of the decorating season.
[00:09:01] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. Um, I, I was talking to my wife, or now my wife cuz I just got married, but, uh, she, uh, We were saying how plain the house looks when it’s not like holiday season, cuz everything’s like just summer and it’s kind of bare.
And now we can put all the like little noms out and the little like Thanksgiving stuff and the, and the fall foliage and all the colors and so yeah, it’s definitely that like kickoff for the season. But yeah, that’s great. Then my movie, um, I have to be in the mood to watch horror movies cuz I’m a little scaredy cat, but, um,
But I do like slasher films, so anything that has like slashers and like dumb teens getting, uh, slaughtered. I don’t know why. I just like
and people making bad choices. Like, Oh, there’s a noise coming from that door. I might as well check it out. Like, um, no.
[00:10:03] Jess: Or run upstairs. Run upstairs. When, I mean, is always the best option. I mean, every time, like, why, why are you going upstairs? There’s no way out. Let’s step out the window.
[00:10:12] Richard: It’s like the, uh, what is it?
The insurance commercial or whatever where they all run to hide behind the chainsaws. . The guy is looking at, I love that commercial. You, you idiot.
[00:10:28] Jeremiah: Yeah, that, that was a good one. Yeah, it’s so true. Like it’s just a trope with the horror movies. Like they, people always make bad decisions in them, but I guess that’s what makes them what they are,
All right, so on to the next question for you guys. Um, What’s a haunted place near you that you really enjoy, uh, checking out and investigating? Well,
[00:10:53] Kris: I’ll go, um, I’m actually sitting in mine. Um, we’re here at the historic Scott County Jail. It’s a jail that was built in 1904 in operation until 2008 as a jail.
And, uh, you know, I’ve been to probably three dozen of the larger. Um, you know, most haunted places in the country doing investigations, and this jail really packs a paranormal punch. Uh, we have everything from footsteps to, to shadows, to disembodied voices, doors slamming. Whistling is, is a big thing. It’s great because I can investigate anytime.
I mean, my business partner, Miranda Young and I, you know, we sat upstairs last night and did, uh, little investigation and we heard footsteps and our K2 meters were alarming and such. To me, this is a great location.
[00:11:45] Eleanor: Uh, the Sterling Hill Mines in Ogdensburg, New Jersey is, does it for me actually, and it. Touches me in the heart because it was the very first investigation I did as a lady Ghostbuster. I mean, before that I’d gone on investigations with friends on weekends away and stuff, but I was invited to bring a team into the Sterling Hill Mines and took the president up on the offer, but didn’t have a team at the time,
So I was scrambling to pull one together and that’s what started the whole thing for me. Um, the lady Ghostbusters. A group at that point and has grown ever since and has men as part of the group as well, who consider themselves paranormal investigators with the Lady Ghostbuster team. The mines are amazing.
Um, they’re very active and it’s a camaraderie, brotherhood, really good spirits going on in the mines, and I’d recommend it to anybody if they’re in Northern New Jersey
[00:12:42] Jeremiah: visit.
Next time I head up that way, I’ll have to check it out for sure. . If I would’ve had more time when I was in Newark, New Jersey, I probably would’ve been able to swing by. But , I didn’t have time. Well,
[00:12:58] Joe: I like here in town, we have what’s called the Hollywood Arts Center, and it’s amazing. I’ve had so much activity at that place.
I’ve had walls pushed over on me. Had energy fields go through. , Um, just tons of activity. It’s one of my favorite places. huge. A convent. It was originally a mansion that the guy turned into a convent and now it’s an art center. I remember one night I was sitting in the main auditorium just sitting there watching red and blue lights float across the stage, you know, just, it’s an amazing place and it’s called the Collingwood Arts Center.
That’s basically my favorite.
[00:13:38] Jeremiah: I have not heard of that, so I’ll have to look.
[00:13:42] Joe: Yeah, look it up. It’s really, Well, it’s, it’s amazing.
[00:13:46] Jess: I don’t have any that I, I would say that I consider it going to on a regular basis. It’s just, I guess because of what, um, with me being a medium, I don’t like to, uh, go into a lot of them without, um, being requested to join.
Cause sometimes it can be really overwhelming for me. Um, but a lot of times when I’m going in is when they’re asking me to go, you know, see what’s going on and if I can help them so that, um, you know, if they’re, you know, if there’s some sort of a. But, uh, I have enjoyed, you know, quite a few that we’ve had in our area.
We seem to have a lot of, um, I guess, uh, portals, um, and vortexes that seem to run throughout the city for my area and is one of the things that I noticed when I first moved here. So I’m in the Newan, um, Georgia area, south of the Atlanta Airport. Lots of history, um, from the wars and things like that that you can have that go on.
Um, I did get to do a, um, a neat, uh, little show with the, um, with the theater locally here because they called me in with a lot of different, uh, things that they were experiencing there that, um, that was a little bit, um, I guess overwhelming for not just the, uh, people that work there, but also for their guests.
Um, but that’s, so I don’t have a lot that I do with repeats on mine’s generally. You know, I go in and then, , see what’s going on and see if I can help. And then exit stage left. I mean, but my whole life’s a paranormal experience. So
[00:15:08] Richard: um, for me, I, you know, I don’t do, um, a lot of investigations. Um, you know, my podcast is more focused on present. Um, different topics, um, whether it’s UFO based or crypted or something like that. But we did do an investigation not too long ago to a place called Martha Chap, uh, Chapels Cemetery, and that’s a little south of Huntsville, Texas.
And I went out with, um, with my wife and a friend of mine who is a medium. He is, uh, Claire Odent and Claire Cynthia. So, um, it was very fruitful. This is one of those areas, and I’m sure you guys have kind of run, run across the, um, the legends that, that attach themselves to, to locations and stuff where supposedly it was very malevolent, dirty, violent, um, a lot of pushing ya hair, doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
That is not what we found at all. In fact, um, Bill, uh, the, the medium that I was. Um, was able to make contact, uh, with, um, some spirits that were, were very kind and the place was just extremely peaceful. So the experience, uh, was, was much different than what it has been made out to be here locally.
[00:16:35] Joe: Love that.
[00:16:36] Jess: I think that a lot of times that’s, um, that’s due to a lot of the people that maybe go in there with the wrong intentions. Um, you know, it’s how they’ve chosen to approach the, um, the spiritual realm and, and they’re gonna get back what they’re putting out there. I mean, honestly, I mean cuz there’s been plenty of them that I’ve went into that the people were concerned about it being a malevolent spirit.
And what I’ve found is someone that was heartbreaking. Right. Or somebody that had literally been murdered, um, and had gone through this horrific experience and they just needed their story told. So, I mean, I went into a place that literally a man was ripped out of his bed and drug out of the room.
Um, but I went out there and it was literally a woman. I mean, she was devastated. I mean, she’d been murdered. Um, but I never experienced the same thing. But it was because of the trauma that she went through that she just needed somebody to listen to her. Right. Well, I think
[00:17:24] Kris: it’s also thank, and you know, we, Go ahead.
[00:17:26] Richard: had, uh, one spirit, um, basically tell us two things. One, don’t stay too. Which, you know, creeped me out a little bit. It’s like, I’m on my way right now, ,
[00:17:38] Jeremiah: but, uh,
[00:17:40] Richard: don’t stay too long. The other thing that he, that he said to Bill was, Please tell people that we just want to be left alone. This is a place that’s kind of a dare for local teenagers.
So it’s not uncommon to go out there on a Saturday morning and find beer cans laying around and, and stupid things like that. So, um, I thought, , that was kind of an emotional thing, you
[00:18:05] Kris: know? Well, I think it’s also the cause and effect. It’s also the, I think it’s the cause and effect of this instant gratification social media world that we’re living in right now.
You know, you’ve got every person who’s a ticker or an Instagrammer thinking that they now paranormal investigators or ghost hunters, and they go out and they perpetuate. Absolutely. They perpetuate these notions of, of evil spirits and demons and demonic entities. I can honestly tell you, Of all the locations that I’ve been across this country, I have never witnessed anything that is malevolent or demonic or malicious or threatening in any way.
And so that’s why we’ve gotta change the narrative as as professional, you know, as I, if I can use the term professional paranormal investigators and say, No, that’s not how this works. You know, when people come to our. They are not allowed to perpetuate any type of rumors or myths that are not true about the jail.
And so that’s where we put a stop to it. But I think if, if the community kind of rallies together and says, You know, you guys need to stop this, that’s where we can start to change the narrative. I agree completely
[00:19:10] Jess: cuz it is just, I mean, it’s gotten so blown out and so, um, sensationalized, right? Um, and it is so sad now and I can say I have, I have witnessed but, um, demonic or darker, um, it, it’s deep, but I can count on one hand.
Um, and it was, and it, I mean, so I mean, and I, and I don’t know how many times I’ve been called and said it’s a demon, and I’m like, Okay, well let me come out and deal with it. I was like, No, it’s really an asshole. It’s not really a demon. I mean, you’re just dealing with somebody that’s kind of
[00:19:34] Richard: mean.
Right. One of the things that Bill says, and, and Eleanor, you and I have talked about this before, is that, um, You’re talking about people, they’ve crossed over, but they are still, they still have emotion. They, they still have anger. They still have, To your point, Jess, they still have feelings and it’s important to respect those feelings.
[00:19:57] Eleanor: Absolutely. Spirits, if they were an asshole in life, they’re gonna be an asshole in death. If they’re a nice person in life, they’re gonna be a nice person in death. The other thing is, we, we really need to start with the people who, like the para paranormal programs that are on tv. I mean, when they, they antagonize spirit, they’re sending that message out to the public that that’s the way it’s done, and that’s the way you should do it, and it’s wrong.
We need to respect spirit. They wanna be acknowledged, they want their story told, and that’s our goal. That should be our mission, and that’s what the paranormal world should be relaying to the public so they get the right message and the right information and the right education before they go out on their.
[00:20:38] Jess: I totally agree. I think that a lot of these people are going out, um, you know, half cocked and um, and, and with really bad, um, information, and they’re going into very dangerous situations that they don’t know, um, what they’re opening up or what they’re dealing with. Mean, and they’re doing it with the wrong intentions.
And you’re right. I mean the, um, I mean, I have literally, um, had where I’ve channeled SPS that I was just standing there sobbing because that was all they. and then I mean to be called, and so said, Hey, we’ve never had another experience since you left. But it was because their story finally got told. Yeah.
[00:21:10] Richard: Christie, You know, one of the things I think sometimes, Is you were pointing out, you know, it’s the latest thing and everybody wants to have their 15 minutes of fame. I sometimes think that part of it too is what can I do to get myself a television show? Oh yeah. Because there’s so many of them and it’s like, what little hook can I do?
You know, and get myself a show. Oh,
[00:21:32] Kris: no, absolutely. You’re absolutely right. Everybody thinks they’re gonna be the next television star. You know, to Eleanor’s point, very rarely, um, do they get this right. Uh, they, they try to sensationalize this because of that. It’s one of those things where we have to change the narrative.
I, I, I don’t, uh, the paranormal investigators that I. None of them watch those popular television shows because we know that they’re bogus. Right. That’s not how it happens. That’s not how an investigation is done. Um, yeah, and, and it’s, it is one of those things where everybody’s gonna think they’re gonna be the next television star.
And I’m sorry, but TikTok is not gonna make you a television star. Right.
[00:22:10] Eleanor: I totally agree with you, Christie, that the paranormal programs out there are not the way it’s supposed to be. I’ve said this time and time again that paranormal investigations can be quite boring. You can go back to a location three times or be there for six hours and have nothing happen.
And I can tell you from personal experience, our team was. Uh, scouted by a New York director and we had to do an actual sizzle reel in one of the locations we’ve been in before. He asked me to pick a place that we felt was really active. So I had selected this church. Turned home, a woman had bought an old abandoned church and made it into her home, and she was single mom with kids and having a lot of stuff going on there.
Now, the fact that she was sensitive also added to the whole. A activity because the spirits know that she’s sensitive and they know that she can hear them, so they’re going to be attracted to her and try and get her attention. Ultimately starts activity going. So we brought the, the New York director in there to do this sizzle reel, and he turns around to us and he says, Just so you know, if we can’t get any activity, we’re gonna have to make it happen.
And we were not happy about that. We did not wanna create activity.
[00:23:22] Kris: I think Chris wanted this. No, and you’re, you’re absolutely right. Yeah, no. Yeah, you’re, you’re absolutely right, Eleanor. When, when we investigated Fort Mifflin, we were there right after taps and, um, the, the docent said Taps was here for a week.
They filmed for a week. They had to wear the same exact clothes to keep the continuity. You know, to your point, we’ve, we’ve signed with a, a. A producer, but they wanted to actually change our narrative as well to say, you know, we’re gonna have guys with us and we’re an all female team and we need to be a little bit more spooked out by some of these things and, and fake that we’re being scared.
And I said, Absolutely not. So, to your point that they’re made to be sensationalized, but that’s where the tickers and these people that are going out to cemeteries and going out and trespassing in abandoned locations, that’s where they’re ruining it for everybody else because again, they’re perpetuating these negative stereotypes about what we do, and that’s not how it happens at all.
[00:24:18] Richard: was, as to what Eleanor said, every, every time something. Of course, um, those of you that are actively involved in investigations, I, I know that, uh, as Eleanor had said it, it does, Something doesn’t happen. Every time you walk into a place, you know, it, it may not happen. It may take multiple trips to happen.
Um, it, and it’s that lack of sort of, not, not skepticism. Representing both sides, right? Not, not just the, uh, the good stuff everybody likes to hear because it’s, it’s exciting and spooky and everything, but also the other stuff that’s, that’s the normal stuff.
[00:25:03] Eleanor: There’s such a disrespect too out there. I, I was at an event today, a fall festival, and gentleman came up to me and you always start talking paranormal.
I mean, I write about true account hauntings, so it’s natural that the conversation comes up with the people that visit my table to discuss the box in their own personal accounts and things that they’ve encountered, and he shared with me. Uh, we would talk about the Princess Doe case, which is a well known case of this young girl that had been murdered and her body was left in the cemetery.
Cemetery where, where the activity, um, is now happening, where they see her, uh, ghost. He revealed to me that teenagers had been in the cemetery and desecrated. by painting over tombstones and I mean vile, disgusting things too. Took pictures of it and he showed it to me. I’m just thinking like, what is this world coming to that you are going to attack this sacred place where people can’t even defend themselves because they’re spirits are there and you’re gonna desecrate their, their resting place.
It was just really sad. This disrespect is throughout, it’s not. on tv, like Christie was saying, TikTok, Instagram, wherever they can get the story out there, the way they want it and the way they present it and it’s the wrong message.
[00:26:31] Jeremiah: Yeah, there was a guy on YouTube, I think, um, pretty sure he’s in trouble now or maybe he’s in jail.
I don’t know, but he. Faked his girlfriend’s death or whatever, and, and then pretended to like contact her via Ouija board and all that stuff just to get like downloads and views and, and then she came out later and was like, uh, or like she didn’t know about it and then she found out and she’s like calling her parents like frantic, like, I’m alive.
What the heck’s going on? Like he’s faking my death.
[00:27:07] Richard: Yeah, that’s rather extreme.
[00:27:08] Eleanor: That’s, that’s awful. I have, I hadn’t even heard that. That’s
[00:27:11] Richard: horrible. Yeah,
[00:27:12] Jeremiah: he was like a YouTube guy who got really famous, well, like a kid. Yeah, you can look it up. I was watching it on YouTube the other day and I was like, This guy, this guy is no good.
And it’s like you guys are saying like they’re using the sensationalism and then it taints it for the people who are really out, like you guys trying to come to the bottom of these things and investigate these things.
[00:27:38] Eleanor: I mean, our goal is we are there for the spirit. We’re to acknowledge them and try and help them move on if we are able to.
And when somebody sensationalizes it, like you mentioned Jeremiah, it just breaks my heart because it it, it does ruin it for the rest
[00:27:52] Jeremiah: of. But
[00:27:53] Richard: let, let me, let me, um, I, I mean, let me ask this guys. I, I just feel like, and of course, you know, the podcasts sort of brings this up to me, you know, because of the listeners and, and things, but they just seem such a hunger out there for, for supernatural things and.
It, you know, a gazillion, you know, YouTube videos, um, all kinds of Facebook groups and, you know, I’m member, I, I’m a member mainly for Intel, for the, for the podcasts, but I’m a member of a lot of these groups and I swear if I get any more videos of like spiderwebs drifting in front of a camera, being an alien, I’m gonna shoot myself.
You know, it’s just, it’s crazy , but it’s just, I think what it points to. There really is this like hunger out there for people to experience the unknown, the unexplainable. Right. I don’t know if there’s something just really. Fundamental as human beings where we crave that or what, But it definitely seems to be there.
[00:28:59] Kris: I think
[00:29:00] Jess: there’s a lot, I think it all ties into, I mean, as weird as it, I guess weird as it may sound, is I think it all ties into knowing that there’s something out there bigger than us or the, um, and, and trying to understand around that can’t be seen by all. Um, I think also that the sad part about it is I think a lot of, there’s a lot of perversion of the.
Where there is the sens sensationalizing of, um, you know, the stuff that’s on TV and everything else. Then when people try it, they don’t get the same response or they don’t get the same results, so then they keep poking and poking and poking in the bear until they find something that really is the bear that’s not very pretty.
Mm-hmm. . But I mean, it’s just like they’re looking for that moment because they’re looking for proof of something out there that’s not something that they can generally see. I mean, I get more often than not when people have contacted me to say that they want to have, um, like intuitive development and mediumship, like learning it.
And they’re like, you know, and I’m like, let’s start with, you know, the basic stuff that’s like protection and grounding your energy and like stuff that’s like, you know, very, you know, much necessary. They’re like, Well, I wanna learn this other stuff. I’m like, That’s the fun stuff, but that’s not coming yet because you’re not there yet.
Slow down. Hmm. You know, I mean, but there’s, everybody wants that to be there instead of like doing all the work to get there. Yeah.
[00:30:14] Kris: and, and I think to Jeff, you know, Jess is right. Very true, very true. To make curiosity, we’re all gonna die. You know, none of us know for sure what’s gonna happen after that.
But I think the, the problem has become where this, again, back to the sensationalism where people are trying to force these beliefs onto other people or force their, um, their narrative or force their evidence, um, and say, you know, this is what I caught it. When we say, No, it’s a spiderweb, then you’re the conspiracy theorist.
Right? That right. You know, So, Yeah. Yeah. They, they, you’re a bad guy. Yeah. There’s really no place right now, um, for lack of a better term, for those of us who are actually out there trying to do legit research because, you know, we’re silenced by this overall just noise of and, and clutter of these instant, Yeah.
These instant movies. These or, uh, these instant TikTok videos, these instant, Oh my gosh, look at this shadow figure when it’s like, no. What, what, where was the 30 seconds before the shadow figure and once the 30 seconds after the shadow figure. Cause I wanna see all of that. Right. You know? Right. One of the lens flares.
[00:31:17] Jess: You tell what the spider
[00:31:18] Kris: looks. Exactly. I like the lens. Exactly. Lens. Yeah. The lens flares. Same thing and, and you know, everybody wants proof of something. I get that, but you just can’t force a proof because you think this is what it is. You know, when science is. There’s a lens flare, or you know, that’s a bug, that’s not a fairy, that is a moth flying through the camera.
Um, so it, it, it really is, I think, up to us to really change the narrative. But it’s tough when you’ve got all of this overall noise, um, that really doesn’t, um, subscribe to what we’re trying to do.
[00:31:51] Richard: Well, and I, you know, I hear this across the board, right? Being, as the, the podcast goes into a lot of different topics.
People wanna believe in Bigfoot. They wanna believe in the beast of Bray Road. They want to believe, uh, that there are UFOs. Those UFOs are piloted by aliens, extraterrestrials. I mean, there’s this real desire to believe and people are willing to believe with, with very.
[00:32:21] Jeremiah: Oh yeah, for sure that I see
[00:32:23] Kris: that.
Oh yeah, AB absolutely, because, Yeah, go ahead Jeremy. Sorry.
[00:32:26] Jeremiah: Yeah, I see that a lot in like conspiracy circles and stuff. Like all, all it takes is one guy to say something and then you get other people that just jump on it and then it takes off and, and then you got a whole bunch of like misinformed people,
But yeah, you can
[00:32:43] Kris: continue, Chris. Oh no, I was just, I was just kind of going along those same lines again, people, people wanna believe in this. Absolutely. Obviously I encourage that and I en encourage that exploration, but it has to be done with an open mind and a search for the actual truth. Mm-hmm.
[00:33:01] Jeremiah: But yeah, I’ll start with the next question and if they pop in, I’ll re-ask it when I get to them. Um, So through all your investigations and your research for Richard and all that stuff is, what is your most like memorable, paranormal experience? Like one that just comes to mind every time you think or someone asks you like, what’s the craziest thing that happened?
Or, or, Well, I let, I,
[00:33:27] Richard: I’ll, I’ll start and, and, but I’m gonna take it in a little different way, uh, because I, I think Jess and Chrissy will be able to speak directly to personal experience. But I can tell you that, um, you know, I’ve done, um, a full year of weekly podcasts now. So I’ve covered a lot of, of terrain, a lot of area.
There have only been two podcasts that genuinely freaked me. When I was researching and putting it together, and I sat out on the back porch at night and listened to the final draft before I put it out there. Right? These two in particular, listening to them, I was completely freaked out. The first one was Black Eye kids.
Um, and if you know that topic, it, it’s a creepy, creepy talking. I think I went, I think I went for two, two weeks. To hear a knock at the door at 11:00 PM you know, and, and thankfully never did. Um, and the other one was shadow people and laying in bed at night in the room in the dark. That, that was kind of a creepy experience after putting that one together.
So I’d say those two, two topics, black eyed kids and shadow people are, are two really good ones.
[00:34:46] Jeremiah: Yeah, definitely. Uh, definitely that black eye children is creepy. Just seeing pictures of them creeps me out. I don’t remember, there was a, I think it was in like Russia. I don’t know if the video was fake or not, but there was like these twin sisters or something that got hit by a car and, and they should have died, but they just like, kind of like walked away, like nothing was wrong, , and it was kind of creepy, but.
So Chris, what’s uh, your most memorable.
[00:35:20] Kris: So I’ll, um, you know, honestly I’d have to say the Mall, Barker House in Central Florida, and this is the most memorable for two reasons. One, the, the way Soul Sisters Paranormal operates is we’re very much, um, we’ve. We very much subscribe to the history of the location.
So we tell the historical narrative as best we can with these, um, you know, documentaries that we put out. Then we couple that with our paranormal evidence from the location. This narrative of the Mall Barker House is just fascinating and it’s a location that not a lot of people knew about until we actually told the.
and, and for me to be able to put that out there and allow people to know that places like this exist was exhilarating. Um, the second aspect of that obviously is the paranormal. For us, it, it’s one of those things where, as much as we can control for outside environmental factors, that’s what we do on our investigations.
And the Mal Barger house is unique because, one, we were the very first team to be allowed to investigate, and two, we had complete control of the environment. This is a house that sits on about 40. Florida wilderness, you need a four wheel drive vehicle to get to it. There was no, uh, electricity to it, no water to it.
It just really sits vacant. We were able to a, to actually capture some very compelling evidence, um, that we think was related to the 1935 shootout between Ma and Fred Barker, and members of the FBI and Mon Fred ended up being killed in that gun battle. And, we think that we were able to catch, uh, both residual evidence as well as intelligent hauntings inside that house.
[00:36:57] Joe: Chris, I hate to interrupt, but I did get a chance to watch that video and it was amazing. The evidence you two captured blew me away. I’m like, You don’t get this. On video ever. You guys got some really good thanks.
[00:37:11] Richard: Thanks Chris. Chris, is that out there? Is that out there anywhere where people can, you know who are gonna listen into this?
[00:37:18] Kris: Yeah. I would love to see that. Yeah, absolutely. So all of our videos are on our website at http://www.soulsistersparanormal.com. Um, but Richard and Jess, I’ll send y’all the link so you can take a look at it. Oh, cool. Thanks. Yeah. Excellent. Okay. Welcome back, Eleanor. Yep.
[00:37:36] Eleanor: Me too. I’d like to see
[00:37:37] Richard: it.
[00:37:41] Eleanor: Thank you. I could hear all of you. I just couldn’t you, could hear all of you. Just couldn’t speak and then I was hearing Jess and not hearing, That’s
[00:37:50] Kris: what I had to, I’m
[00:37:52] Joe: just my webcam and my webcam. Like
[00:37:54] Richard: I said,
[00:37:55] Jeremiah: I’ll edit all the Keeps up . All right.
[00:37:58] Joe: I
[00:37:58] Jeremiah: don’t know, but yeah, the question I was asking, well, it Jess’s term, but we’ll get her answer.
It was, uh, what’s your most memorable, uh, paranormal experience? Yeah, from, go ahead. All your time doing this like, uh, sphere I guess you call it. Um,
[00:38:18] Jess: so my, um, so Dr. With mine, a little bit different, um, as to, I don’t want to any prior information. I love the fact that when, um, when there’s somebody there that can verify my information, but I ask to go with no details and then go in and see what I can.
Um, and I’ve got, I think mine were two different locations, but one of ’em, um, was a, um, a house that I went out to that was having extreme activity in the home. As soon as I stepped out of the vehicle, um, I, um, I was, I felt the feeling of being scalped, which was probably one of the most uncomfortable experiences I ever had.
Um, because I literally felt my hair getting ripped off my. . Then, um, and then I started seeing skin walkers, which was the first time I had ever experienced seeing one of them. I, um, I turned to her and I was like, Cause I had no information. And I said, um, this is sacred land. She looks at me and she goes, You know that you’re a mile from the Trail of Tears.
And that was a moment that I was like, holy. Um, Okay. . Interesting. So that was definitely one that it still raises the, um, hair on my arms, on that one. Um, and then the other one was definitely the woman that, um, that I had was speaking of earlier. That was another house cleansing that I went to. But, um, the woman was a, um, was a slave that had been trapped on the property.
There’s actually video evidence that shows where my face actually changed when I was channeling her into her face. Um, and because I can, I consider it a trans configuration medium, So it actually shows when I started talking about how she was beat and murdered. Um, and, and it’s really creepy to show pictures of me, but it’s actually someone else’s face and like blood and bruising starting to appear.
And that was probably one of the weirdest moments because my voice changed and everything started being on my face. to this day, that kind of .
[00:40:15] Jeremiah: All right. So Joe, what’s your, uh, Yeah. Most memorable experience?
[00:40:21] Joe: Wow. Yeah, so I, Yeah, me too.
I’ve had a few, but you know, as time goes on, I, I really don’t ever get scared in an investigation. I mean, I don’t want to sound weird, but I never get scared. We were down in Pennsylvania and we heard about this place called the Black Cross and what it is, uh, cemetery for migrant workers that were not allowed to be buried anywhere.
So a gentleman gave them the property to be buried and I was there and there’s a, a stump about a three foot stump, and I’m looking at it, I put my equipment on it. I turned and I turned back and it was actually a, a purse. jumping outta the woods at me. Just split second that stump turned into a person. I can see every feature of him as to this day, and it’s really only time I ever got scared, and we actually caught it on camera.
We didn’t catch the person, but my sister caught my reaction and my adrenaline was going for a good half hour after that. I’d never seen anything like it. , this person dressed with wool pants, a red shirt, a flipper hat just like was coming outta the woods at me and then just vanished. Wow. I mean, I, that’s the only time I’ve ever freaked out.
You know, I’ve had, I’ve woken up in the middle of the night to shadow figures leaning over me. I have a red shadow figure in my room. Um, I investigate what we call the bone house. We’ve seen so much stuff there, but that split second in the woods in Pennsylvania. It just freaked me out. It’s the only time I’ve ever felt that way.
But and it’s, it’s weird because a lot of the claims that you hear, and I didn’t know this till afterwards cuz we were here, babies crying. We heard men yelling and we’re out in the middle of nowhere at this location. For that to happen, it’s just, I’ve never seen to like it. Hopefully if it happens again, I’ll be able to Yeah.
If you’re not expecting it, handle it a little better, but you know, it’s a first Wow. I’ve never got scary investigation. Yeah.
[00:42:39] Richard: Yeah. I mean, that could have been a real person jumping out at you and you would’ve, you would’ve freezed, you know,
[00:42:43] Joe: that’s, you know, that’s the thing. It’s like you’ve, I’m sure you guys all said it, it’s the living that are more scaring scary than the dead.
Yeah. To have that just, I mean, literally I looked at this stump and it had red bow on it and then turned back again and it was a person and then turned back into a stump. So who knows? I don’t, I don’t know why it would be jumping out at me, but maybe he was just like the car trying to get us outta the area.
I don’t know.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Mm. Yeah,
[00:43:25] Jeremiah: because people, so Eleanor will get to you, Uh, your most memorable paranormal experience.
[00:43:35] Eleanor: Sure. You know it’s funny how when we go on investigations and you put your audio out and your video and you catch something and it’s really cool, but when something actually just happens to you personally, it could be the simplest thing and it can affect you so majorly. I mean, I know Jess, you, you haven’t happened to you all the time, but I’m not nearly as gifted.
As you, I just, I have certain things that I can sense when I go into a building, whether there’s something there, that kind of thing. So when something actually happens to me, I’m like, Oh, that’s so cool. We had been to Burn Bra Mansion a couple of weeks ago, and the first time I had been there several years ago.
I walked in and I said, Hi Ellie. My name is Ellie because little girl spirit that’s there, her name is Ellie. I figured I’m gonna connect with her right away. It was a great experience. When I was there, she specifically asked to speak to the other Ellie, meaning me and my daughter and I went into this black room and we were singing nursery rhymes with her and they got her on audio.
My name is Ellie, so that was really cool. But going back there, I wanted to see if I could actually have something happen to me. We stayed in this room. That was the matriarch of the house, Margaret, her original room. We stayed in that room and they had these tables throughout the mansion. Uh, Ouija boards on them.
And now I’ve, now, I don’t use a Ouija board, but they had these tables for people who wanted to use them, and I just happened to walk by it and the sensor on it flung itself at me like it was trying to get my attention. I actually had to second guess it and think, did I bump into the table? Was it sensitive and was it easy to move?
I had to check it out and it was really heavy, and I’m thinking, no, that. To get my attention. So that was one thing. Then in, I was woken up by a ghost cat and it was the coolest thing because I’m, I’m laying there and I feel this cat jump on the bed, feel the cat jump on me. I thought it was the mansion owner’s cat.
And I, I’m get, I’m getting up to look for this cat cuz I wanted to cuddle with it. I turn around and I, that the room door was closed and it was a ghost cat . So for me that was fun because it never actually happened to me before. This did. , that was
[00:45:51] Jeremiah: very memorable. Yeah, that would be for me too. I’m definitely a cat person, so , I, I would’ve definitely remembered that, but yeah.
Um, we’re coming up on the hour here, so I’ll just ask, uh, what’s next in your guys’ slate, uh, what’s your next project or are you taking a break or what’s next in your journey? I’ll start with Christie, cuz I know she’s gotta run.
[00:46:17] Kris: Yeah, thanks. Um, you know, for us, we’re, we’re going full steam ahead. There’s really no break.
Um, we’ve got several investigations lined up already for next year. Um, I’m gonna be guests on numerous podcasts. I already have those lined up for the next several weeks rolling into next year. So I’m very excited about that. Here at the historic Scott County Jail in Huntsville, Tennessee. Um, we have a lot of events coming up, especially for October.
Um, but more paranormal investigators are really kind of finding out about the history of this building and, and some of our paranormal, um, claims and, and, and evidence that people have been capturing. So really just kind of pushing our paranormal investigations. Then both Miranda Young from Ghost Biker, she and I.
While we’re business partners on this, we’re also partnering on a couple other things, um, in the neighboring communities that we’re really excited to announce here, hopefully in the next month. So for us it’s just, it’s getting bigger and better.
[00:47:08] Jeremiah: Nice. I like that. I’m not that far from Tennessee, so I might have to come check out that jail.
[00:47:14] Kris: Let’s go, Jeremiah, come on. You’re welcome. Anytime
[00:47:21] Jeremiah: All right, Joe, what’s up next on your.
[00:47:24] Joe: Well, up next is Peru, Indiana. We’re doing a convention there. Me and my sister do a lot of conventions throughout the year. Other than that, I’m working on my book with my, for my shared death experience with my best friend who contacted me again last night. But, ANet, you know, working on my videos of the mounds.
I took a ride out today to almost Indiana. Uh, visited a Indian burial mound. So I got a few things in the, in the books, but really nothing much than that. Just our conventions in my books.
[00:48:03] Jeremiah: Will you make it sound like conventions or nothing? .
[00:48:07] Kris: We got a, Joe is a hard working podcaster and, and ghost tunnel.
Let me tell you, every time I turn around, Joe’s got something else going on. So don’t let him fool you. .
[00:48:20] Joe: The miles that I put on today, I, I, I took a ride out to the Indian mounds today. Christie, I could have showed up at the jail today because I, I, I rode so far and I wasn’t sure if I was gonna make it back here on time.
I actually had my phone ready, set up that I could just, you know, join you guys on the ride home. But luckily I made it home and I. Using this equipment, which keeps acting up. I’m, I apologize for the microphones acting up and stuff, but
[00:48:52] Jeremiah: I made it. Yeah, no worries. , We’ll have to do it again with the, uh, correct equipment.
So Eleanor, what’s up next for you? I think you just came up with a book recently, right? Or it’s coming out.
[00:49:07] Richard: Okay.
[00:49:08] Eleanor: The new one’s coming out on h. So I’m, I’m, I’m like, it’s got the crunch going on over here, but it seems everybody wants the haunted lady in October. So I’m, I’m inundated with stuff going on, but I do have a lot of.
paranormal investigation’s coming up because of the posts about the book. Everyone’s coming outta the woodwork and saying, I got something going on. Can you bring in paranormal team? So I’m very excited about that. The team is going to Pennhurst in November, which I, I can’t wait. I’m, I’m nervous and excited all at the same time.
And then I’m supposed to have, um, an interview with the local, uh, television station, uh, for Halloween. To come on an investigation with the team. So we’re gonna go to the Booton Library and do our investigation there. Marvin Scott from the news is supposed to do an interview on us, so I’m excited
[00:49:53] Jeremiah: about that too.
Yes, that would be exciting. Um, maybe I’ll make the news one day, but I hope it’s not for something bad. ,
[00:50:04] Eleanor: you can’t do anything bad. No, no, no,
[00:50:07] Jeremiah: no. I don’t think so. . Although my wife works at the jail, uh, at a, yeah, jail. Um, she has paranormal experiences there as well. Mm-hmm. doors shutting when no one’s around.
I believe it. People are names whispering to her and there’s no one around and. She doesn’t get scared like I do, cuz I would be like, I’m done putting my two weeks notice in . But like, she’s like, I’ll yell out Jeremiah, stop doing
[00:50:37] Richard: that or shut up or
[00:50:39] Kris: whatever. Good for her. I gotta go. But it was great meeting you all and uh, look
[00:50:43] Jeremiah: forward to doing.
But yeah, she says it happens all the time. See you. Nice meeting you. See you
[00:50:49] Joe: Chris.
[00:50:52] Jeremiah: Yes. Thanks for coming. All right. So Richard, what’s up, uh, next for you?
[00:50:58] Richard: Well, let me put in a shameless plug for my podcast, . It is called the Paranormal Factor Podcast, and, um, we just celebrated, uh, at, at the end of September, one full year.
Of putting out content every single week, and so Awesome. Um, and I can tell you for a fact, I’m just as excited today doing this as I was when I started. I, I love it. I’m very passionate about it. Um, we’re doing great. We ha we have, um, I think almost 4,400, uh, total listens. Were, were listened to in 43 c. Um, so I just, yeah, I just really couldn’t be happier.
So right now, um, I, Wow. Am in the middle of the podcast first two-parter, and it is a two-parter on the Roswell incident. So, we released the first part of last Friday, which was all sort of the backstory of what happened in 1947. Um, what did, uh, the military say? What did, uh, ufologists. This next episode, which will come out this Friday, is all about the really juicy, fun stuff, the witness stories, the things that, the witnesses that came out, um, after 1978 and started talking about what they had experienced back then.
So it’s kind of, yeah, super exciting thing. Um, I’ve learned a ton. I learned a ton in every podcast that I do, but, uh, you know, I thought I knew a lot about Roswell, but I, I, I’ve been learning quite a bit about it, so
[00:52:34] Jeremiah: yeah, definitely. Definitely a pivotal point in history for sure. Everyone looking forward to that one or has heard of it, I should say?
Oh yeah. Yes. All right, Jess, where What’s up next for you? .
[00:52:53] Jess: Mm-hmm. . Um, well, I’m working on getting on some, um, I’ve got some more podcasts that I’ll be doing also. Uh, I have got some, uh, conventions that I’m also working on, um, joining in for. Obviously, uh, just I have a good amount of people that I just start working on with, um, group events and different things like that through the end of the year.
So along with I’m moving my house. So between that, that’s, that’s got me good and up code .
[00:53:17] Jeremiah: Yeah. It’s. It’s a struggle balancing podcasts and investigations with your normal life and everything like that. Uh, I know, I know all about that.
it, I literally had to buy a, like handwritten, oh my God. Write down all the like times and dates and everything that I can squeeze out as much production as possible.
[00:53:44] Richard: Yeah, I learned early on that it, that it’s, uh, it’s all about process, process, process, process. If you’ve got process down it, it tends to make things a little bit easier to organize.
Um, and you’re not staying up. Like I did the first few podcasts until two o’clock in the morning trying to record and do crazy stuff. .
[00:54:04] Jeremiah: Yep. I was there. I was definitely there. Editing till the wee hours of the mornings. . But yeah, thank you everyone for coming on and uh, it was fun. Hope to do it again and uh, absolutely.
Hopefully everyone has a good safe Halloween. Um, don’t eat too much candy. You brought out
[00:54:30] Richard: good advice. That’s always Jeremiah .
[00:54:34] Jeremiah: At least that’s what my dentist tells me, right? But yeah, .
[00:54:40] Richard: Very, Yeah. Thanks. Good.
[00:54:43] Joe: Its pleasure. Mm-hmm. ,
[00:54:44] Eleanor: Thanks. Good to see
[00:54:45] Jeremiah: you all.